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Discuss current RPGs you're playing, why you love or hate modern RPGs, why you think the gold box games are better than the IE ones, why you think blobbers are superior to isometric games, and anything else RPG related.
>>334509464
And of course, your opinion on romances.
Are the Avernum remakes any good? Is it just better graphics and UI?
>>334509464
What's a blobber?
And I'm currently starting my first playthrough of BG, seeing all of these hate threads on Dragonspear oddly helped get me into the mood. Rolled a zerker, gonna multi mage.
I want to play organically ofc, but is there any romance in the first game? I ask because I'm playing a female, so if I want to romance a female NPC (why wouldn't I?) I need to use the editor to force start it.
>>334510010
It's a nickname for Wizardry style games where you have a party that moves as a single entity. No romances in the first game and no lesbians in BG2. Hope you like Anomen.
>>334509907
>Are the Avernum remakes any good? Is it just better graphics and UI?
The abilities and spells are on a cool-down, there is no mana, I'm sure it's simplified in general. According to the forums the games are very unbalanced, for example in the Avernum 1 bows are useless, 2 mages a tank and a healer is the way togo.
>>334510249
Should I just play the old games then?
>>334510338
Also how is Geneforge? I hear there's politics and stuff which sounds neat
>>334510338
I'm not sure, the originals are probably imbalanced too.
>>334510434
Geneforge is cool, you should probably just play the last in the series.
Any reason there's a sudden influx in these threads? Not that i'm complaining.
>>334510175
There IS a mod for BG2 to let you be a les with whoever you want.
So fuck you. But thanks for the response.
>>334510698
Shit talk on Dragonspear, the expansion for BG, got people to discuss the games. Now they just fiend for DnD vidya. Which owns.
>>334510558
Any reason I should skip to the last one?
Been on a GOG binge ever since this shitty generation started. Currently getting through Gothic 2 and it's lovely.
I would like to start getting into DOS cRPGs though but it's a bit harder to find out what's the gems. Any recommendations?
>>334511234
>Any reason I should skip to the last one?
Well, the gameplay in each is almost identical, and the first 2 games have amazingly terrible graphics. The last has an entire series worth of minor innovations, new Creations (monsters), and 4 factions to join - 3 and 4 have only 2 factions.
>spent 2 hours trying to make a font that doesn't rape my eyes in NWN1
>all look awful
Fuck this game, I'll never start playing it at this rate
>>334511526
Is this some mod? Looks really comfy
>>334511526
I love Gothic 2. I'm interested in doing some DOS games too. I've never played Ultima Underworld or Ultima 7 although there's an open source remake of Ultima 7 that apparently works well on modern systems.
>>334511635
Did you tick high resolution font? Game is perfectly legible for me at 1920 x 1080
>>334511731
DX11 renderer
>>334511896
Looks like L'Hiver too.
>>334510010
That is some damn fine looking scale armor
>>334509464
>Discuss current RPGs you're playing
Been playing Divinity 2, just hit the expansion. Aleroth is a bit dull and the dumb twist at the end of core game made me groan, but it's still better than the fucking flying fortresses
Loving that OST, just found out Kirill Pokrovsky died, shit sucks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb7RDY_WF2M
>>334511586
So the stories are not connected?
>>334512483
Yeah it's a shame he died. I hope they don't go full grimderp for the next game because a lot of people criticized the tone of the first game. I like a good mix of comedy and seriousness. I don't mind the new art style for the new game since I hated the rainbow colored armor you would swap every five minutes in DivOS. Hopefully they tone down the diablo style loot too and do it more like Baldur's Gate.
>>334512495
>So the stories are not connected?
They are loosely connected, each has a new protagonist, none of your choices carry over, a few characters from previous games return (the series is not focused on characterization)
>>334512483
RIP
http://youtu.be/cAY2dU4HWZo
shadow of mordor is p good
>>334513141
Assassin's creed and call of duty are my favorite CRPGs too.
>>334513229
brofist
>>334512808
I sure hope they don't, though hiring Avellone is a bit of a questionable decision imo. The only light-hearted characters of his I can think of are Morte and Grobnar Gnomehands, and I sure as hell don't want to play a game of Grobnars
Speaking of Div: OS, I like how they included Arhu's cat form on the cover
>>334512483
Yeah, he was great.
>>334513697
Human Kickstarter Goal man probably won't do a damn thing other than shill the game on twitter and look at the script let's be real.
>>334513059
Good to know then I'll try the last game.
>>334510434
>>334510434
>I hear there's politics and stuff which sounds neat
Calling it "politics" would be a bit of an exaggeration. Every game is essentially about a tug of war between at least two, but usually four or five opposing factions, and you can decide the winner. However there is little actual politics to it. NPCs will frequently ask for your opinion on certain matters, and your answers will be common knowledge to everyone in the world, which influences which factions are willing to deal with you.
>>334511814
is Gothic 2 better than 3?
>>334514573
Most games are better than Gothic 3
>>334514573
Both Gothic 1 and 2 are much better than 3.
>>334512483
Well, the expansion is much better than the base game, so you are in luck. Aleroth might not be an exotic place, but hot damn dem quests.
>>334514363
Not a good idea, unless you only plan on playing a single game from the series. If you do, though, by all means go for 5.
>>334513095
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsTJfqNLHbc
One of the few good things to come out of Beyond Divinity.
>>334515778
I love these flutes (?) in his tracks
what are the best games that let you build a party with classes, skills, and equipment? I tried wizardry 8, but there weren't many options aside from the initial race and class setup.
>>334516473
Etrian Odyssey lets you do cool builds, none of them have racial choices, but they have portrait options and fun class systems.
It's almost pure dungeon crawl though, and hard. Highly rec if you're into minimalism and using your imagination.
>>334516473
Temple of Elemental Evil?
I am tempted to replay Underrail due to the new AI improvments.
But then I remember how it got me way too addicted last semester, and grow bitter.
>>334509659
More like these?
>>334516473
Try Void Spire
>>334509464
Don't think I'll do all that.
Most games have RPG elements these days so I'm technically playing 4 right now between FE Fates, Stardew Valley, DS3 and Bravely Second.
In terms of CRPGs, not much since I finished POE with both parts of the White March. Was actually pretty fun. And the new "super" fights were hard as balls on the higher difficulties, which was nice.
I also have Underrail, Wasteland 2 DC, And DivOS EE I need to get around to playing through at some point. Too many fucking games for a wage slave.
Anyone have an opinion on which of those 3 I should put a priority on?
>>334516473
Lots of games like that. You have Strategy RPGs like Tactics Ogre that are all about that kind of shit.
You have Dungeon Crawlers like Etrian Odyssey that are big on it too.
You even have stuff like Darkest Dungeon which is really big on party comp and trinkets that you have equipped.
>>334517418
Get to Underrail
Just use cheatengine speedhack
Let's try again.
Thirdgodmanconfirmed forfemale.
>>334517628
Wouldn't it be godwoman then
>>334517554
Speedhack? And what build would you recommend? I played for a couple hours as a pure psi and it was OKAY but also really hit and miss. I was a god when I had full psi but when I ran out I couldn't kill a rat.
>>334517690
Maybe, but the term was stated to be unisex. And it's not a good term either, that's not what they are really called.
>>334517702
Makes things faster. Useful for backtrackan
Ez to install
Go with whatya like m8, use battle items if ya wanna
>>334517628
Is this underrail?
>>334517702
You want speedhack if you absolutely can't handle the walking speed in the game. If you are planning to go stealth, I don't really recommend it.
But in all fairness the walking speed is not slower than what you usually get in isometric rpgs, so I never had an issue with it.
You can go pure psi all the way, but a back up weapon is not a bad idea. Throwing for example does wonders for psi builds.
>>334518371
Nope, you got the wrong game.
>>334518423
Wonder what skill I should drop for throwing then. Can I just invest like, 30 points, into a crafting skill then stop? Or is it best to just keep pumping them? I figure I can invest in the injectors or whatever for the psi potion thing then just stop there then go throwing.
Does anyone have faith that Tides will be the one good kickstarter cRPG?
>>334518719
DivOS was good though
>>334518761
No. An RPG must have good writing to be considered good otherwise it's just an action game.
>>334518632
Well, throwing is one of those skills that can give you amazing results with minimum investment. Putting 20 in it for example should be enough to keep you from hitting yourself in the face with your own grenade too often.
Crafting skills on the other hand are very build-dependent. The higher the skill, the better quality materials you can use. However your skill does not directly increase or decrease the quality of what you craft. So for example a psi character has little reason to invest more than 60 in Biology, as Psi Reinvigorator is the last item that was meant for them. And whether you even need the Reinvigorator depends on a lot of things, you might never find a use for it in your playthrough.
As for crafting armors and weapons, you should max them on every level until you hit around 100~130. Anything less, and it becomes a waste of your points.
>>334519186
>i have never played an RPG older than something from the late nineties
What's it like being retarded?
>>334518371
Of course it is. But that entire post is a fuckhuge spoiler.
>>334516703
already played all of those that I could emulate
>>334516926
I heard that was supposed to be good, but I also heard it was a faithful adaptation of 3rd edition d&d, which would make me think it's actually shit.
>>334518719
> the into of the game explains a ton of shit
nah
>>334518719
It'll be less fun than Div:OS and less polished than PoE
I have been playing Baldurs Gate and i am getting a bit bored of it to be honest. It was fun to go around and explore the world but after 20 hours i have explored so many forest maps that i am starting to get sick of it. There is very little story to keep me interesting and the character progression is very slow. The combat is alright but in most fights i simply let my melee/rangers attack and throw a couple of high damage spells with my mages. At harder fights i do the same but with some sleep/command mixed in.
I have been thinking about replaying neverwinter nights again. I haven't touched that game since i was a kid.
>>334518719
One can only hope. Although I liked most of the games we got out of the new wave, so yeah.
>>334520039
Dude, if you're getting bored with BG1 you'll get brain aneurysm from NWN1
>>334520039
>those outlines
Been replaying Albion. It's always gonna be one of my favorites, but the English version is clearly inferior to German.
>>334520248
Why do Germans produce so many medieval rpg's anyway?
>>334520039
Well the game is about 12 hours long so no wonder it's getting stale.
>>334520229
I honestly do not think that it looks that bad.
>>334510249
I'm playing Avernum: Escape from the Pit and there is totally mana in it
>>334520182
As someone who played maybe 10 hours of NWN1, it DOES have a great atmosphere, the companions are fun and interesting, but the combat? Who thought 1 PC + follower makes for fun combat? It's just auto-attack or chug a pot, unless you're a caster, in which case you rest every fight.
NWN2 seemed much more fun, OC-wise at least.
Why does everyone claim BG1 is boring though?
>>334520310
I'm guessing there's something about medieval stuff that's very ingrained in our culture. Plenty of castles, stories and festivals, lots of LARP people and so on.
>>334520310
Living in a place where you can't take two steps without running into a castle ruin does funny things to your mind.
>>334520478
>the companions are fun and interesting
I don't know if I agree, doing fetch quests for them in every fucking act gets really tiresome
>Why does everyone claim BG1 is boring though?
Really repetitive environments
Not a lot of narrative complexity in the side content (my cat is lost! ->find the cat's corpse in a waterfall)
Low level DnD combat is a chore
Picking through endless stacks of arrows and rusted shortswords in loot
I think it's really comfy but it certainly doesn't have a lot of stuff to keep one interested for long
>>334520310
Germany was a very interesting place in the middle ages
Is this just for PC classics or are JRPGs allowed?;_;
The Witcher
>>334520478
>Why does everyone claim BG1 is boring though?
plebs that don't like low level DnD and exploration
low level complaints only apply to the first three levels
>>334521159
is overrated
>>334521101
It's fine as long as you can make a convincing argument why your nip game qualifies as a crpg.
>>334521462
AKA it has to be a wizardry clone
>>334521462
It's Star Ocean so it probably doesn't really count.
>>334509464
What's the appeal of CRPGs?
>>334520039
this is a controversial opinion but I thought baldur's gate kind of sucked, mostly for the reasons you outlined. there's so many side quests that you get tired of it by the time you're done with them all, and the story and actual gameplay isn't that amazing either.
>>334522027
Depends on what kind of CRPG you play. Some like them for tactical combat, some enjoy story heavy ones, some people enjoy grand adventures, and others enjoy choice and consequences.
Are people memeing about the Imoen Romance, or is it actually good now?
>>334522387
Never used it because Imoen is your sisterfu and it's wrong to put your peepee in her.
>>334520450
Tell me more about it. Is it good?
>>334522073
It's not really a controversial opinion. People get mad about Baldur's Gate, but it's not really a good game. Balance is shit, the story is rather boring, and people tend to forget that the companions you get to know better in the second game are flat as a rock in the first one. Not many alternatives at the time though, so people liked it.
>>334522472
She's only your half-sister.
>>334516964
>But then I remember how it got me way too addicted last semester, and grow bitter.
I feel you, happened to me as well. Still, no regrets.I haven't felt this kind of addiction since the first time I played Deus Ex, so it was worth it.
Speaking of which, how is the GMDX mod? I'm planning a new playthrough and it sounds like the best thing ever on paper.
>>334523823
I installed it for my brother instead of Shifter and it seems great. You can turn off the shitty new features like hit markers and have it be like classic Deus Ex.
>>334523934
Thanks, anon. Can it be played without New Vision? I hate mods fucking around with the graphics.
But I might be willing to put up with it just for those AI improvements.
>>334524167
New Vision is not required but it does replace weapon models. Just pick the version without New Vision
BG2 has underrated dialogue. It's concise and well done when the game wants to be serious.
>>334525125
The dungeon has some good dialogue but after that's it's all downhill.
>>334525125
It has a few nice scenes, but I prefer the more comedic ones. Like playing insane to get into Spellhold, or blackmailing the aboleth trying to blackmail you.
>>334525335
Nah there's a lot of solid party banter. It's unfair to hold it up against PS:T that game is on another level.
Is Gothic 3 worth playing? Already finished 1 and 2.
>>334525993
Nope not even with the patch
>>334525993
Worth? Probably not, But even Invisible War can be a decent experience if you are serious about giving it a chance, so the same probably holds true for Gothic 3.
How are Shamans un Bg?
>>334510913
is this cow lady from the games?
>>334526324
shit apparently
>>334518719
>the one good kickstarter cRPG?
I liked Wasteland 2. Lately, in fact, I've been seriously tempted to replay it again.
I still haven't decided if I like Pillars of Eternity or not.
>>334519186
You are a moron
>>334519432
>but I also heard it was a faithful adaptation of 3rd edition d&d, which would make me think it's actually shit.
Absolutely correct. There are severe balance issues all over the game and crafting is nearly as exploitable in ToEE as it is in the tabletop game. The only people who like ToEE are people who already liked 3E.
>>334517418
dark souls?
What are some good level 6 cleric spells for BG2? Not sure what to set up Aerie with and Heal seems like a waste of a spell slot.
>>334527604
Harm is pretty broken to the point where it's basically cheating.
>>334522472
Technically you're not related genetically and you grew up as friends not siblings.
>>334528343
Any other spells worthwhile?
>>334527604
fill every slot with power word silence
protip: it has no save and most enemy wizards have 0-1 vocalizes memorized
>>334520396
You are a pleb then and your game looks like blurry filtered trash
>>334528747
Aerial Servant is ok
>>334522150
>others enjoy choice and consequences
No cRPG has done C&C thoroughly enough for it to be the main appeal. Even in the best games the choices are very few and mostly superficial.
Prove me wrong.
>>334530403
Age of Decadence is a good example of C&C. My favorite CYOA style game is still Way of the Samurai though.
How is Serpent in the Staglands?
>>334527187
>>334516926
Noooo don't play this piece of shit. The constant fetch quest will make you want to quit the game before you even make it to the temple.
>>334530898
Shit
>>334531638
why?
>>334531662
Rtwp
>>334532002
Most of this thread is about rtwp games and you decide to bitch now?
>>334532002
So that's your only complaint against it? Sounds good then.
>>334509659
romances are gay
>>334532347
there are good games with rtwp, but it's a bad aspect of them
>>334532548
But then, what are gay romances? They just "are"?
>>334532548
fag
lewd rug
>>334532548
There is nothing inherently wrong with RTwP. There are tons of shitty turn based and realtime games too.
>>334529508
I don't see it in Aerie's spellbook
>>334526353
That's a tauren from warcraft
Evil Sarevok or Good Sarevok?
>>334534871
Evil Sarevok, but with ToB retconning the shit out of his personality good is better there.
>>334534871
chaotic good so we can be alignment bros
Is there anything worth buying in shops in SoA? I have so much gold but no idea what I should spend it on.
>>334535739
Robe of Vecna
>>334535868
Who sells it?
I can get PoE for £5, what say you /v/?
Also, i've been curious about the old Gold box and Eye of the Beholder games, but I really don't know if i'll be able to get in to them. PC games that are that old generally feel unintuitive and convoluted as hell to me, are these as difficult to play as they look?
>>334535739
Robe of Vecna, Vhailor's Helm, Shield of Balduran
>>334536525
>I can get PoE for £5, what say you /v/?
Go for it. Honestly, for that price it's absolutely worth it.
Anyone ever play Warriors of the Eternal Sun? Genesis RPG that actually had a pretty cool setting, really hostile environment where outside of the town you're forever fucked.
>>334536846
If it's still there i'll go for it then.
>>334536901
Yes, I used to think this was so cool when I was young. Though I remember it crashing at one spot every damn time, I don't remember where.
>>334536537
any worthwhile bracers or girdles?
![0db44f63284feaf35cd45397074ac03d5eed3ce7_full[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/myrcw5S.jpg "0db44f63284feaf35cd45397074ac03d5eed3ce7_full[2].jpg")
Is this the thread to pretend I'm still on the Codex, or is this the thread to pretend that Planet Baldur's Gate still exists?
This is an either/or choice and your consequences are permanent, so choose carefully.
>>334537381
Girdle of strenght are always good
>>334537470
4chan codex crossposters are always faggots so the choice is obvious.
>>334537470
The latter. Now you better deliver with that consequence, anon.
>>334537572
PBG it is, then.
>>334537642
Dead fish (In the year of our lord, 2001 A.D, so sayth the wise Dark Wanderer)
>>334537124
Same, my pepper played it and I just recently tried it out as an adult. Short and sweet, with really scary shitty 2-frame enemies that still freak me out.
>>334537503
I just got an item that set Jaheira's strength from 15 to 18/00 and she's much better in melee.
getting pretty tired of this game crashing
>>334536525
>I can get PoE for £5, what say you /v/?
I bitched about PoE a good clip when it was first released, but after all the patches and for five bucks, go for it.
Pro:
Some interesting classes, especially normally meh CRPG classes like bard
On expert mode and hard difficulty, it's tolerably Infinity Engine-like
It has a couple cool NPCs (Durance, Kana, Hiravias)
It's very pretty
It has some excellent quality of life features (Area looting, half-speed during combat, time and a half speed outside of combat)
Con:
Essentially no choices and consequences whatsoever. It doesn't even have Baldur's Gate-like "Party member attacks you based on your choice" moments
Kind of a stupid story, but YMMV
Almost every NPC is a shitty goddamn exposition dump and none of the exposition is interesting
Incredibly generic setting
Obsession with balance in a singleplayer RPG to the point that it hurts making stupid fun shit
Kickstarter backer NPCs shitting up tons of locations
So if you play Infinity Engine games for the combat, go for it. If you want story you probably won't get much out of it, but at that price it's not much of a risk and it's better than it was.
Currently doing an ironman/hardcore/whatever run of BG1 with a dwarven defender. Nothing seems to hurt him much and his shorty saves keep him safe from magic. I'll do a bard or skald next run.
>>334538173
The backgrounds look nice at least
>>334538173
Did you install the unofficial patch?
>>334538270
I think some of your cons are dumb. the setting is good, and balance is good
>>334538594
Yeah, that part is cool
>>334538656
I've got the GOG ToEE, the latest Circle of 8, and Temple+
>>334509464
Are there any good games in the style of Legend of Grimrock?
any fun games similar to maybe divine divinity? Where you're on your own instead of a party. Fantasy setting so not fallout or underrail.
>>334533664
real time with pause combines all the flaws of real time and turn based with none of the advantages.
![2305078-inquisitor_30[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2t1Pzmn.jpg "2305078-inquisitor_30[1].jpg")
>>334539163
Inquisitor is very similar.
>>334538270
>It doesn't even have Baldur's Gate-like "Party member attacks you based on your choice" moments
But basically only the BG games ever did that, no?
>>334539350
I disagree. I don't think BG would be better off being full turn based or full realtime. The round system is useful for helping you manage 6 party members at a time without being tedious. I enjoy turn based games too but I don't think every RPG should be turn based.
>>334539806
Don't know, i'm playing Bg2 and that fag Anomen randomly attack me
>>334520039
>>334520039
Play BG2. Much better than BG1.
>>334539962
turn based requires the game to not be full of trash encounters. going turn based without removing most of the trash encounters would make it really bad, but doing both makes it better.
>>334539163
Age of Decadence, maybe. It's a bit divisive, but I loved the absolute hell out of it.
Honestly having a hard time thinking of a "Player only isometric fantasy setting" RPG off the top of my head, apart from roguelikes and Diablo-likes.
>>334539806
In Infinity Engine games? Possibly. I actually can't remember party members attacking you in PST, and in IWD you should be rolling up your whole party.
In modern-esque RPGs in general, not really. In fact, Obsidian's own Neverwinter Nights 2 was a marvel of party member assault and murder. Even going so far as to let you allow one party member to murder ANOTHER party member for you, preferably while you the player masturbate during it.
>>334539408
thanks, i'll check it out
>>334539962
It would only be tedious because games with rtwp are usually full of trash mobs
>>334539163
why would you actually want a fantasy setting?
it's the worst kind of setting
>>334539163
The Eschalon series is like that, although the "fun" part is arguable.
>>334539163
Sacred maybe
You could play Dungeon Siege with the Ultima 6 remake
>>334540179
>turn based requires the game to not be full of trash encounters
Play a Spiderweb game, ANY Spiderweb game. When done, put your hand on your heart and say that again.
>>334540179
There's plenty of turn based games with trash mobs or filler encounters.
>>334539163
I would reconsider that stance on non-fantasy games, otherwise you are very much fucked.
>>334539072
I thought Temple+ was supposed to fix hardcoded bugs and stability
>>334539962
imagine there's a gnoll on the other side of the screen. my wizard's globe of invulnerability will last 1 more round. will the gnoll reach my character before or after it expires? if cast delayed blast fireball half a screen away will the gnoll run into it or will he be past it by the time it's cast? with real time with pause the answer to all of these questions is "lolidunno." any kind of tactical gameplay aside from "put your fighter in a door and have everyone stand on the other side" is neutered becase you can't accurately predict when stuff is going to happen.
on the other hand in any challenging fight you'll be spending 15 seconds paused for every 1 second unpaused, meaning it's not any faster than turn based. if you have it set to auto-pause for everything it might be even slower.
>>334541468
your hypothetical situation will never happen ingame unless you are retarded and assumes you cannot read casting times in BG and that you can see enemy AP in a turn based RPG
>>334540179
You were saying?
>>334541947
EVERY ENCOUNTER IN XEEN IS A BLESSING, FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUU
>>334541442
That's what I thought. It seems to be happening when enemies cast spells like fear and bane. I'm almost tempted to create a forum account and submit the crash log but I don't know if I can be arsed. I did try turning off AA, soft shadows, and turned the particle effects right down. It seemed to work at first but went back to crashing when enemies cast certain spells.
>>334542057
It doesn't hurt to submit a crash log.
>>334539163
Wouldn't fallout and underrail also be fantasy settings because they are not real
>>334542127
I just might do that because I really want to see the additional content and I'm getting pretty close. I've only beaten the vanilla ToEE so I was looking forward to checking out Verbobonc and the quests there
>>334542754
I've never played ToEE. The prospect of turn based D&D 3.5 doesn't sound very fun to me. Is the combat actually fun?
>>334542946
I love it and think it's better than real time with pause. It's the most fun I've had with combat in a D&D game personally, I just love it when a plan slowly comes together and your guys whoop everything in an orderly fashion.
>>334522904
He mighta left, I'm another anon who's played it through to grah-hoth. Textdumps are thrown at you in every major city and dungeon, the graphics look like they're ripped from a shitty facebook mmo, the npcs walk around in the same sense that corpses do when they've been dead for a few weeks, and the mage tower a shit. Personally, it's my favorite of Spiderweb's games so far, theres a lot to do in that map once you get the hang of your team.
>>334538057
It's a damn shame that thieves can't use the gaunlets of ogre power.
>>334542946
It's lots of fun and feels more dynamic than grid turn based combat.
>>334543807
So it's not grid based? Thank god I hate grid based. I'll have to check it out then.
>>334518719
I like the setting and kind of want to play the system at some point after I'm done DMing my Pathfinder campaign.
Speaking of which, I'm kind of surprised there isn't a Pathfinder game yet. There's a card game coming out but that's about it.
>>334543781
They can use girdle and all items eventually
Coming from BG and IWD, at first I hated NWN1 because it didn't let you control your party. I played NWN2 just because of full party control. Now I'm not sure anymore. Full control isn't that great with 3.5E when there is so much shit to micromanage. I found myself just selecting all party members and autoattacking everything to death, instead of using all my spells and combat mode abilities like power attack and knockdowns.
It also didn't help that while some of the NWN2 mods were great, but most of them are just too easy even on very hard (core rules+double enemy damage), and you just get lazy about controlling everything when you don't have to.
The weird thing is that NWN1 can actually get much more tactical because you don't have so much autoattack power in your party. You can't just "skip" trash encounters as a wizard by letting the rest of the party bash on them. In NWN1 you have to properly control every encounter or you can get killed quickly.
In NWN1 I scoured with invisibility on my wizard, opened up with crowd controls, first strike was important. In NWN2 I can just run into encounters letting my fighters to tank stuff while I cast away from safety. You barely even need defensive buffs. I used a much wider array of spells when it was only me.
>>334544306
Yeah but I'm meaning in BG1 where there's actually a purpose to thieves.
Pure thieves or non-kitted thieves are pretty worthless in 2.
>>334544364
I don't mind the henchman system (except for modules where you get no control over them) because it sets the game apart from BG but I get why people were pissed about them back in the day.
>>334544364
NWN 1 is far, FAR superior to NWN 2 in every single area, INCLUDING graphics.
NWN 1's graphics are simplistic enough to allow your imagination to take over, where as NWN 2's are just detailed enough to hit uncanny valley territory.
>>334541775
>will never happen
it happens constantly though. what good is knowing that casting time is 2 rounds if you have no idea how far a character can move per round? what good is knowing that a spell has a range of 15 yards if there's no visual indication how how far away 15 yards is?
Siege of Dragonspear is ok. Nice that they got nearly all of the voice actors back although a couple of them do sound kind of off. I like that the encounters throw huge hordes of monsters at you but I wish there were more fights that aren't easily resolved with two Fireball spells.
As far as the new part members go I kind of like Glint. Fun guy and weird class combination that works out with the right gear. Not so much Corwin but she's a great Archer and I needed one of those. I could tell the Viking guy was going to be annoying so haven't touched him. I'm in the process of Dualing my PC from 9 Kensai to Mage. He instantly went from being by far the strongest dude in the party to the weakest but should regain his Kensai levels shortly before the end of the expansion. Excited to move on to BG2EE. I've replayed the first game several times over the last few years but haven't really touched BG2 since my teens.
I'm getting destroyed in Caed Nua, should I grind?
>>334544886
You can't be serious.
NWN1's lego graphics were awful even when the game was new. It's just painfully obvious where each tile begins and ends.
NWN2 is not uncanny, it's just fine. At least it has proper terrain and hills.
>>334545264
>shadow
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>>334545279
>Proper terrain and hills
Looks to me like someone hasn't played the community content for NWN 1.
If you think NWN 1s graphics are worse than NWN 2s then you quite simply have no imagination.
>>334545474
This has nothing to do with imagination.
It's like saying that Dwarf Fortress has better graphics than Starcraft because you can imagine anything into those ASCII characters.
>>334545709
The difference is that starcraft doesn't hit uncanny valley territory.
>>334545791
I don't think you know what uncanny valley means.
It means something that looks almost photorealistic, but there is a little something that makes it unnatural, like the look in the eyes or the texture of the skin.
NWN2 is extremely far away from uncanny valley. It's just an average looking somewhat outdated 3D game.
>>334545087
>Not so much Corwin but she's a great Archer and I needed one of those
If only, you know, Kivan was actually in the game. But nope, must make place for Beamdog OC. Notice how they got rid of half of the original companions, but none of their own?
>>334509464
This needs to be an actual portrait pack. I hope the artist did every character with a portrait in the game.
>>334544886
>INCLUDING graphics.
Now you're just being nostalgic. NWN1 is more dtailed in some ares tho, such as animation. In NWN1 you can see characters dodge hits, block them, parry them with their weapons, etc. NWN2 is more like BG in that characters just swing at eachother. And NWN1 is also way more stable and with less bugs.
>>334511526
>>334511814
Even with the old graphics, the way they built the environment still makes Gothic II very impressive in several ways. They feel lush. The first Dungeon Siege managed this with many of its environments too, the graphics look old, truly, in both cases, but they manage this lushness with the natural environments that still pulls you right in.
It's very impressive, and it speaks to something beyond graphical fidelity when considering what made the visuals work. This is especially true of Gothic II, which I still prefer over Gothic 3 to this day.
>>334545264
just keep trying. Shades and shadows are pretty tough at early levels
>>334545279
NWN2 looks like ass especially in terms of texture and lighting. I think what he means is that making a new set of armor in NWN1 is as simple as retexturing the torsos and maybe some new shoulderpads thanks to the simplistic graphics. It's like Warcraft 3 VS Starcraft 2. Sure SC2 has a much more powerful editor but WC3's is much easier to use.
>>334546267
The DX11 renderer helps too.
>>334546328
That's not what he said, and no one argued against that NWN1 toolkit is easier to use.
>>334545264
You may want a level or two before going in. Shadows in general fuck your shit up early, you'll want to group your units together so the shades can't creep in the middle. Aloth's endurance aoe drain is pretty good on them.
>>334545264
Use Kana's skellingtons to hold the shadows at bay. They're also very vulnerable to knockdown so Eder and Aloth (grease spell that causes everyone to fall down, forgot the actual name) are very useful. Crowd control spells anon, learn to use them, you'll need them a lot.
>>334545995
There's one for Edwin and Haer'Dalis too
>>334511814
Anvil of Dawn is fairly decent CRPG, I recommend starting with it simply because it has many of the perks of older first person CRPGs, without some of the riff raff. It still has its 'old game' flaws, of course, but manages to skip some of the more annoying ones.
The two Ravenloft CRPGs, especially Stone Phrophet (the second game in a series) were especially good, if a bit archaic and primitive.
Then there is Thunderscape: World of Aden. This game has one of the best sound tracks out there, for the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3p3LzO5hGg
And it has a hell of an intro all things considered: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixDhuOBbhZM granted the sound and visual quality are very primitive. It's an interesting game to check out for its push forward in audio design, more than gameplay with is a big of a part RPG from the first person obviously inspired by Wizardry but no longer limited to a tile movement system. It also implemented party members that wouldn't necessarily stay with you, some would leave if you acted certain ways (or wouldn't join) while others just joined you long enough to get to their goal. It kept the NPC party from being to static.
That said it has many flaws, such as oldschool maze-like maps and a overmap for navigating that is often completely obtuse, or worse, as a result finding your way through some later areas can be MADDENING.
>>334545978
> Notice how they got rid of half of the original companions, but none of their own?
Perhaps they couldnt get the voice actors. They couldnt get the Jaheira VA so they recast her but in the end dropped the idea. Having all the original companions with different voices would make no sense.
>>334545978
>Can't even have Imoen in the party because she's "mage training"
>Was casting 5th level spells at the end of my BG1 playthrough
>Now suddenly can barely cast a shield spell in canon
They even got the actress back. I don't understand why they kept the party options so limited. Got all excited when Coran showed up but then his lines had no VO and I realized he wouldn't be playable. And yet Safana, who I've never heard of anyone really using, is.
>>334546906
Jaheira's out there in the forest somewhere, preserving the balance.
>>334545087
>I could tell the Viking guy was going to be annoying so haven't touched him.
You were incredibly wrong.
>>334546618
>grease spell
I'm pretty sure that spell is now considered a ground affect, and as Shadows levitate it does not affect them.
>>334547128
Maybe I'll switch Glint out for him once I've finished his quest and give him a try. He seemed really one note from his introduction.
Does anyone have any good male shifter portraits for NWN?
>>334546618
>it's a I haven't played since the last balancing post
>>334543656
I can't tell if that's a recommendation or not.
>>334517418
DivOS has great combat if that's what you're into. The quests are good too but the main story is pretty weak.
>>334548161
le MMO balance man strikes again
>>334551046
Do you think Sawyer's waifu is Jaheira? She's all about balance too.
>>334551046
Except Sawyer has a hateboner for immunities, so I can only assume that some interns left him hogtied in a closet and made it so you could no longer trip flying ethereal spirits with fucking grease.
Maybe he's still in there. Maybe after Avellone left there was an uprising, and that's why Sawyer isn't lead on Tranny. Maybe they're taking a page from Bethesda and Sawyer is their Dreamboy.
>>334551448
It would be funny if Tranny had better combat and encounters than PoE
>>334551448
I hope they deliver on the choice and consequences. I'm betting it will end up being the illusion of choice with main events being the same no matter what choice you pick and some ending slides.
>>334546884
Do all of thesr work well with DOSBox?
>>334545279
Lego graphics is an exaggeration. The environmental textures are nice too.
