So I played a few matches and it seems fine.
Is it just dumb nostalgiatards getting their panties in a twist as usual because it's not exactly the same as the original?
>>334403213
It's shit so if you like it you like eating shit
Can you make an actual argument or point of discussion? Or do you want this thread to follow the example of your shitty strawman shitposting?
Woah guys i found the guy who's opinion reigns supreme and any other opinion is dismissed as getting your panties in a twist
we can all go home now knowing our vidya will be rated by truly the highest authority on the planet
>>334403213
I think so. It took all the best parts of shooters today and made a fun game. Now will I pay $60 for it? I'd have to see the single player, but so far my bro and I want to go half on it and play until it gets boring.
Like Ratchet and Clank, this would have been stellar as a budget title.
>38% positive
>38% positive
>38% positive
>38% positive
>>334403532
*37%
>>334403213
No. The game has shitty movement. Reminds me of bioshock actually.
There's no acceleration or friction. It's floaty bullshit. It's not fast enough and there's literally no commitment to any direction.
Also, why is the double jump in the game if you can't change directions with it?
The gun damage is all messed up as well and the hitboxes are gigantic.
Almost like it's geared towards console players.
How big is the download. Since I probably be buying this ever I want to try it at least.
Maybe.
Or maybe download this instead.
>>334403567
>loadouts
>double jump
>alt-f4
>uninstall
>>334405447
a cool 10 gigs
>>334405875
Doable. I'll try it out, I guess.
>>334403213
People wanted DOOM and not HALO
>>334403213
It's like a shittier version of unreal tournament tbqhwy
game is epic and has GORE!!
dont listen to the haters
>>334406448
don't bring unreal tournament so low, more like halo: slightly faster edition
>>334406258
People want Quake, not Doom. This is Doom, and Doom was never Quake.
Remove the ability to jump and it will be true to Doom.
>>334403349
>Literally everyone who calls people shills
>>334405543
Double jump would be decent if you had some air control
>>334406934
>air control
Double jump is to get you to a platform so you can be on the ground faster. Doom is not about jumping and air control.
fine,i didn't want a fucking discussion thread anyways, go ahead and jerk off or whatever it is you're doing
fucking ridiculous
>>334406794
lmao pathetic
Jesus christ
>Find Doom Open Beta on steam
>Click play
>"Checking library for updates!"
>Process ends
>Nothing happens
Did Bethesda shut down new installs because of the bad reviews?
>>334407087
But it would be fun
>>334406794
Holy shit, you fucking suck.
>These are the players complaining.
>>334407125
how much do they pay you though, honestly?
>>334407125
go away bethesda
>>334407232
It would be fun to have vehicles and RPG mechanics too, but that's not what Doom is.
>>334403532
>People reviewing things based on Nostalgia of games they've never played
Of course the multiplayer is going to be shit we knew that as soon as they showed there would be loadouts. But I'm hoping the single player is good and so far with exception to the shitty monster design, it looks pretty fun.
>>334407282
Why do people think other companies don't hire people to shit on rivals games here?
>Implying you aren't a paid shitposter
I really enjoyed the notice at the start of the game to let the splash screen stutter around for a while
>>334407402
>secrets found 2/3
Yeam it will be fine :^)
>>334405348
>There's no acceleration or friction
Doom 2 has no friction whatsoever feels like you're on ice.
>why is the double jump in the game if you can't change directions with it?
You can't change jump direction while in air since vq3 and doom 1/2 had no jump button.
It's an acceptable game if it didn't have the name Doom.
However, this is like making Shawshank Redemption 2, where it turns out the great escape in the first film was all just a dream and Andy just woke up from his 2-year coma inflicted on him by those homos who forced him to suck their dicks. Even if it somehow turns into a nice film, it still spits on the original.
The game is ok, PC autist just can't take a shooter from what it is, a dumb fun shooter, its just the typical uninformed fanboy hate bandwagonning and and try hards that want every game to be Quake when attemps to make modern games like those have all failed so far, they live in the past and want to prevent games from going on new directions.
I think its fine but doest realy feel like doom at all .
>>334407760
Worst of all they don't play quake otherwise it would've had full servers right now.
>>334407934
Doom is over 20 years old, what feels like it anymore?
>>334403213
>it seems fine
>has loadouts
>has mid-match joining
anon those are grounds for a 4/10 game
>>334403213
stfu retard
new doom = a pile of fucking shit rather then make it like the old doom they made it into some halo cawl of doody pile of crap.
>>334407965
Exactly, all they do is bitch on the internet about new stuff that comes out but when someone tries making an arena shooter it gets ignored by them as well, you can't please those fucking manbabies.
>>334407431
the idea that anyone in any given thread could easily be working for a business and actively trying to sway your decisions is a pretty fucking tough pill to swallow.
A lot of effort has gone into making people feel safe online, putting as much personal info on public sites as possible.
It makes me fucking sick
>>334406258
>le halo maymay
Game looks nothing like Metroid Prime.
>>334403213I like it
game's meh
if it were like $20 I'd buy it but $60 is lol
>>334408148
>HURR WHY THEY DON'T MAKE GAEMS LIKE 30 YEARS AGO OMG
fuckin kill yourself retard.
>>334407378
Then D44M shouldn't have a jump button at all, based on your logic.
>>334408291
>designing gameplay around a controller, then porting the game to PC is okay
>Doom was never fast
>>334408289
I hope singleplayer mode saves it.
>>334408404
I'm all for that. Remove the jump button.
>>334408417
>wahhh wahhh consoles are evil
Fuck off, original Doom is perfectly playabale with any modern console gamepad, doom is not quake.
>>334408494
>Doom
>Not fast
People actually say that? Did they lose their shift keys or what?Did they even play Doom?
>>334403213
Basically. The games really fun. Don't ever take /v/ crybabbies seriously
>>334408748
People are saying it right now in reference to Doom 2016 being "not that fast"
>>334408708
Yeah because most versions don't even have vertical look.
That is not an argument in your favor.
>>334408708
that has nothing to do with what he said aside from some words you both used.
>>334403213
It's fairly enjoyable, though it seems shallow. It plays decent but it's not Doom.
>>334408496
SP and MP components are being developed by different people.
>>334408882
>That is not an argument in your favor.
It is, Doom is always been dumb fun shooter unless you are a try hard speedruinng or want every shooter to be quake.
Competitive shiters are the worst thing ever.
why do the weapons feel so weak. im not talking about damage either, for example shooting the shotgun just feels like im pulling a party popper
>>334408161
I wish quake had more players, i either get spawnraped 0:22 against someone who's playing it for 15 years or i win 22:-1 against some braindead noob who rushes me with MG.
Some dude actually told me he's happy to see noobs like me in the game, after he raped me in a duel. I think this game is great because it teaches you not to rage over losses, since it happens even to pro players.
>>334408861
It's free for now, so I'll simply try it.
>>334409190
Well I mean you're trying to argue that an ancient game with no vertical look is an example of how gamepads play shooters fine.
Honest question, why does every shooter has to be muh skills, muh strafe jump, muh hardcurr xD to be good, why we can't have simple dumb fun shooters anymore? If people want to play professionaly they should go tryharding hours at CSGO or join Quake Live tournaments,
I realy think the armors look lame as hell.
I want every armor to be busted open and broken, as if your character went to hell and back . All i get is the option to make it a bit damaged and put dirt on it.
Eveyone looks way too clean for a doom game.
>Loadouts
>Perks
>No rocket jumping
>Half the weapons are total shit and not worth using
>Floaty and slow movement
It's literally just people running around with super shotguns and vortex rifles as there is no other weapon worth using except the rocket launcher if you feel like gimping yourself.
>People complaining about screen clutter
Never played a classic arena shooter before, have you?
>>334408291
you are the retard
enjoy the crap bethesda is selling you afterwords why dont you lap up all the cum like a good cuck. its a pile of shit and should be like it was
>>334407087
>>334407378
OP is right
>>334409382
>No rocket jumping
You can't rocket jump in Doom, retard. Firing a rocket at point blank range would just fucking kill you.
>>334409382
At least 2 of those things are in original doom as well.
>>334409406
What mod?
>>334409053
Lets hope that team has actualy played other doom games instead of halo and cod
>>334409530
No clue of the gameplay mod, but it's a "slimmed down" version of Quake 3's HUD. Stock Quake 3 is even more intrusive than that.
>>334409408
>muh bethesda boogeyman
Fuck off, hivemind parroting scumbag, your virtual friends don't care if you kill yourself.
>>334409382
>WHY IS NOT LIKE QUAKE 3 WAAHHHHH
>>334403213
I think its fine. It is a pretty solid and fun Halo clone.
But no, it is not an arena shooter. I am not angry about it like most people here, but there is not denying it
Posting more screenshots of classic arena game HUD that is completely unobtrusive and doesn't get in the way at all.
>>334409497
>"People are just complaining because it isn't like the original"
>"You couldn't do that in the original game!"
Yeah in a game where you couldn't jump you couldn't rocket jump no fucking shit sperglord but considering that this isn't 1994 anymore and a certain arena shooter developed by the same company had a rocket jumping mechanic you'd think they return the feature in this game. Dipshit.
>>334409749
Arena shooters are dead.
>>334409749
>Halo clone.
>I've never played Halo
Yeah, love that regenerating health.
>>334409798
The idea of the fucking project is to be as faithful to Doom as possible. Turning it into Quake would not be faithful to Doom.
>>334409406
Anyone worth a shit disabled their HUD and viewmodels anyway
>>334403420
>call of doom took all the best parts of shooters today
>>334403213
When I get to play the single player I will have an opinion about this game.
I have no nostalgia,the game is something most have already played before with the DOOM name on it..
>>334409973
>Call of doom
>Most weapons aren't even hitscan
Fuckin /v/ sucks for real talk, all they can do is spam meme shit.
>>334409903
If they wanted to be as faithful as possible you wouldn't be able to jump at all, wouldn't have loadouts, perks or universal ammo pickups. Which is it? Either they want to remake Doom or do something new.
>>334410105
You mean to tell me that having loadouts now instead of running to get guns and having to know timers and the perk system doesn't make it call of doom? My bad, faggot.
>>334409542
It's literally being done by ID
They've probably played the old games.
>>334403213
The problem is the combat feels like it is constantly stuttering. It doesn't have weapons laying around like a true arena shooter, you choose a loadout. Weapons are drastically weaker. You see Borderlands-style numbers when you shoot things instead of gore. The graphics are ugly -- not that they aren't competent, the art style is just ugly. It feels wrong in every way. It's worse than any other arena shooter, I just don't understand why anyone would like it.
>>334410115
It's just Doom inspired shooter with some modern elements added to it, making it like quake just means truning it into the kind of arena shooter that is doomed to fail and lack players.
>>334409382
>No rocket jumping
Bullshit,that was one of the first things I did in game for D$$M
>>334410259
Most arena FPSes have loadouts for league play.
>>334409903
> Yeah, love that regenerating health.
There is more to Halo than regenerating health. Movement is floaty like halo, weapon damage is similar too, the nades work very similarly too.
> The idea of the fucking project is to be as faithful to Doom as possible.
Who said that?
>>334410259
>Only CoD has loadouts!
Spotted the sperg who barely plays games and does nothing but shipost all day, kill yourself at your nearest suicide cabin ASAP.
>>334407760
Whoa, you mean people want games in a series to play like the other games in that series???
There's literally nothing wrong with trying to make games in different or new directions, just don't take an already established IP and rape it.
>>334407965
So people aren't allowed to have certain standards if they don't regularly play the games they're comparing new ones to?
>>334410334
Considering that it's being completely panned by the vast majority of people who are playing it it's going to lack players regardless. They've tried to appeal to everybody and ended up satisfying no one. Original Doom fans don't like it because it plays like a modern console FPS and CoD and Halo fans have little interest in a game like this and it will never draw the same numbers as those games. If they had actually made it decent it would have attracted a larger playerbase.
>>334410689
The single player isn't playable yet though.
There is more to Doom 4 than multiplayer. You can create mapsets in game.
>>334410259
Two most popular modes in quake are Clan Arena and Duel.
Clan Arena gives you ALL weapons from the get go and full health and armor.
>>334410115
>wouldn't have loadouts, perks or universal ammo pickups
Good. Trash them.
>devs make copypasted quake/UT clone with improved graphics
>barely any people playing or giving a shit about it
>Devs make new game that takes a different direction from classic Arena shooters
>HURR its shit! all i just wanted a new quake/Unreal with improved graphics!
And this... is why we can't have nice things.
Really though. Why beg for a new Doom game when everyone bitches about everything new to the table. Not that there is nothing to complain about (the plasma rifle is shit), but the amount of negative reviews on steam complaining about how "itz2slow" are insane
>>334410467
Please show me where I said only CoD has loadouts.
>>334410760
>Snapmap
>Worth anything
It's shit. Fixed geometry, no outdoors, fixed geometry, and most importantly, severely limited because your palette is limited. And don't give me restriction breeds innovation. Fuck that shit. If regular doom can get a 3D sonic mod that is better than regular 3D sonic, you don't then say yes to being able to sort of make sonic if you squint through glasses covered with so much shit they've collapsed under their own gravity into diamonds.
>>334410974
Its free to complain. I bet my ass the release version will have good reviews as long as sp is good
>not just playing the free UT4
Even in pre-alpha is lays a steamy log all over DOOM
>>334409798
>>334409497
The original Doom DID IN FACT HAVE ROCKET JUMPING. In fact, the intended way to reach the secret exit of Mt Erebus in the original game is to rocket jump off of a wall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sCvvGdcSRCQ#t=654
>>334410676
>So people aren't allowed to have certain standards if they don't regularly play the games they're comparing new ones to?
I simply dislike posers, that's all.
>>334410935
What? New UT is not even done yet.
All I care back that time of doom and duke nukem was the maze levels filled with secrets passages and easter eggs.
>>334411201
They are different games, really shooters fans have it great these days, UT players got their UE4 free arena shooter, Quake fans got reflex and people who wants some dumb fun can play new Doom, problem is, no one plays the games.
>>334410417
and the league players dislike them, you've seen Quake live crowd go nuts over loadouts?
>>334411431
Well I stand corrected then, all the more reason why it should have been in this game.
>>334407710
Read, nigger. **Double jump**, obviously a jump can't immediately change directions, but if you have a mechanism allowing you to jump again, you should be able to lauch yourself in a different direction.
>>334410303
All the original members of iD are gone. Where the fuck have you been?
>>334411073
Has it been confirmed there's not going to be mod compatibility?
>>334411431
I saw a rocket, didnt see no jump.
>>334411491
> New UT is not even done yet.
Is perfectly playable as it is right now, the pre alpha is there with completed maps, mechanics and weapons, all it needs is players.
>>334411201
Yeah why you're not playing it, like, right now? The game is more dead that quake live and you are busy complaining about ID shooter on 4chan.
Doom 4 threads are absolutely cancer. This is the best FPS to have come out in years and everyone's bitching about why it isn't Quake. You know what? I'm a Quake player and I don't want every game to be Quake. I want this game to be fun, and so far it is.
>>334411643
Jumping in the original Doom was done via running or sprinting off of ledges. Doom II and especially Final Doom had sections that required you jump.
>Dedicated Servers: Offline
What the fuck
>>334409751
but quake 3 was released before the push for more immersion and removal of HUD elements
lately im seeing a new trend to smatter the entire screen in useless hud, probably to make it seem like your game is more complex than it really is
>>334411753
That's not jumping you fucking idiot, jumping doesnt equal controlled falling. Jumping is when you press a button and your character goes up.
>>334411649
No, all it needs is an actual release and market.
You can count in the finger how many people know there is a new UT going on.
>>334411649
It's missing the Ripper and loaded with placeholder content though. It also isn't optimized very well, especially on AMD hardware. I had to tweak the ini a shit ton to make it run right and I have a damn Vishera and a 3GB HD 7950 in my rig. The enforcer, minigun, and sniper rifle also feel much punier than they really are. They need to be actually feel like guns that do damage like the guns in UT99.
>>334403213
it's because they false advertised
they said it was going to be fast paced
it's not
>>334411930
I am sure when they are ready to release they will start marketing
Right know half the maps dont even have textures even if the gameplay is already good
>>334411923
> doom game
> no modding
>>334407760
So when a game was a smarter shooter before than dumb down it's called "going in a new direction" now?
New doesn't mean better when it does to underlying principles and systems of what makes the game, the game it is and if people cant see the older system are what made the game successful in the first place then everything is for not.
>>334411996
This fucking image. So lit.
Most "gamers" just want an Arena shooter to feel good about themselves. Actually playing it is an entirely different story.
>>334407192
oh god I hope so they would actually learn something
>>334403213
>and it seems fine.
whats so good about it then faglord.
the first dooms are fucking several decades old
is it SO WRONG to ask a remake that would pander the nostalgiafags
>>334411930
Nah not really, Epic WANTS people to try the game, get involved and create content for it they marketed by including it with the Unreal Engine 4 toolkit and got announcements about it being made in major gaming sites, the first days we had over 500 players, then the numbers went down to 100 and finally to 30 player average, people doesn't give a shit about arena shooters anymore.
>>334403213
>loadouts
>slow as shit
who pays for this shit
But is it better than unreal tournament(2017) that's free?
>>334410974
id and beth said it was going to be fast but lied so that would be one reason
>>334412347
You cant just keep remaking old games.
>>334410414
Placebo. Shooting a rocket at your feet does not propel you higher, jumping or not. I tried it.
>>334412173
>classic doom
> a smarter shooter
When did Doom, a dumb fun shooter turn into quake, did i miss something?
>>334412423
People get tired from losing all the time.
They'd rather play other games instead of dying over and over again.
This is why arena shooters are not popular.
>>334412612
did you jump then shoot the floor?
>>334412518
I was thinking the same
lol needs to be fastt! Like race cars, fast! vroom vroom
This is what you children sound like
Grenades do direct hit damage and stun enemies
Personal teleporters are awesome to mess with people
>>334412675
Yes. That is how I expected it to work because I play Quake.
>>334412625
>quake
>smart shooter
>any shooter
>smart
xD my sides have been gib'd
>>334412689
hell yeah I want to vroom vroom
>>334403213
It may be fine game, but why on earth do they make a MMO shooter and then call it "Doom" if its nothing like fucking doom.
[spoilers]I know it is for merchandising reasons, but still, come on![/spoiler]
>>334412843
hello newfriend
>>334412785
>i play FPS like a retard
>therefore FPS is inherently dumb
No wonder you shills don't miss map control.
>>334412730
then how did I jump over players heads? brb 'll try again maybe im bsing myself
>>334412689
Exactly, this kids sound as autistic as if sanic fans wanted every platformer to be fast including Mario games.
>>334407992
quake live, kind of in a second-cousins sort of way
>>334412843
this must be b8
>>334412970
By double jumping, probably.
>>334411671
>you have to be playing a game every time you want to talk about said game
I am playing it right now.
>>334412950
>shooting people over by your favorite gun pickup is now intelligent game play
>>334412843
>MMO shooter
>>334412687
Unreal Tournament 2017 is almost as good as Unreal Tournament 99 and there's actually reasons to play both of them as they are both pretty different. The new UT takes most of what was UT99 and mixes them with a bunch of the elements from Unreal Championship 2 that the knew wouldn't clash with it and they actually found a good middle ground between the art direction of UT99 and UC2 to use in the game. The only thing I wish they would do to the new UT (besides finish developing it) is to bring back the ripper, and make the hit scan weapons feel heavier (rifle, enforcer, and minigun feel punier than they actually are, especially compared to what UT99 had).
>>334412785
Quake 3 and all of its clones and even UT are all about smart playing son.
Thats why there is nothing wrong with having just a dumb shooter like new Doom around.
>>334413019
Your analogy is garbage because you're comparing two games from different series.
>>334413026
That game is just quake 3..
>>334407707
Old Doom have that too dumbass
>>334412970
you right,im sad now...
>>334413167
How is it any different than the new doom
>map control
Doom has that, called king of the hill.
Anything else that makes quake "smart" ?
>>334413261
Yes, and?
>>334413207
My analogy is great because both quake fags and nostalgia fags think not being so "fast xD" makes a game bad, also, fanboys are fuckin cancer, is like the band fanboys who cry when their bands want to try different stuff and it actually turns up to be good and even better than mediocre attemps to recreate the classic stuff.
Gamers are not dead, Gaming is, and gamers killed it.
if you write doom 4 with capslock it shows: "DOOM $"
coincidence?
>>334413456
>>map control
>Doom has that, called king of the hill.
>>334407707
>secrets found 2/3
So just like the orginal?
>>334413107
>your favourite
You really don't understand. You think you're supposed to pick a favourite. No, that's modern "everyone's a winner" game design where all weapons are supposed to be equal. In an arena shooter there are weaker and stronger weapons and if you get spawned near a weak weapon you have to make due with that and work your way towards a better weapon.
>>334413167
It's really not. It's all about knowing where to go and what to do in certain situations. Thinking it's something you do when you start losing really hard and none of the pre-baked tactics work.
>>334403213
I thought it was fine too, but people who like arena shooters are a minority and that is to be expected
>>334413606
No argument so you resort to memes. I'm still waiting for you to tell me what makes quake an "intelligent fps"
>>334413456
>map control
>king of the hill
You can't make this shit up. Wow.
>>334403213
>Is it just dumb nostalgiatards getting their panties in a twist as usual because it's not exactly the same as the original?
no, its because its bland
>>334413456
>complex movement mechanics
>Teamwork
Also the fact maps are a lot more complex as well as aiming, you don't learn all about quake by try harding in public servers, son.
i think this is a great litmus test for /v/
everybody apologizing or endorsing this watered down consolized moneygrab called Doom 4
is too mongoloid to be on 4chan and should be permanently aborted.
>>334413667
>fighting next to the strongest weapon is "intelligent gameplay"
>>334412347
I just don't understand it. Most people who are dissatisfied with d2016m want it to be quake. Okay, fair enough, they want a fast paced arena shooter. But then calling it shit because it's not like the original doom (by which most mean it's not quake 3) is ridiculous. It's fallout 3 all over again.
>>334413143
I've been waiting for the more completed version how good is the progress
>>334413554
>think not being so "fast xD" makes a game bad
You're right. Nobody has said anything about the perks, things that give direct advantages over other players. Or about the shit movement ignoring the speed factor. Or about the map control (or lack thereof) as you no longer have to grab your weapons since you have loadouts. Or that the weapon damage is completely off. All anyone every complained about is that they can't go fast.
Your analogy is garbage and will always be garbage if it isn't similar to the situation you're comparing it to in the first place.
>>334413456
>Map control = king of the hill
Holyshit. Damn you stupid.
>>334413315
So? its just a guy who doesn't know jack shit about arena shooters, your typical try hard parroting shit.
>>334413782
>king of the hill
>controlling a portion of the map
>>334413853
>complex movement
>bunny hopping
You quake shills really are something else
>>334413776
Pointing out that you said something retarded is a meme? You clearly have no idea what map control means.
>>334409619
they shouldnt if i did i was weak like thos efaggots who claim they ahve depression or some shit
and why dont you fuck off white knight
>>334413884
Hmm maybe they promised too much and failed to deliver? they kinda said it would go back to roots and be fast
>>334413956
then enlighten me? If you can't come up with an argument I'm right.
>>334413969
again, no argument just more memes and attacks
>>334413667
There are no weak weapons in arena shooters besides your starting weapon, just weapons that are situationally useful.
DOOM is shit but you trying to act like you know fuck all about arena FPS is embarrassing, stop.
>>334413984
>map control
>controlling a portion of the map
Why are you hitting yourself???
>air strafing
>circle strafing
>not complex
Stop it, you're going to get bruises if you keep hitting yourself!
>>334414035
then what does map control mean friend? :^)
Because king of the hill sure seems to me like you're controlling a portion of the map. Seems like that's the definition of king of the hill? hmm?
From what I've played so far, the movement feels "laggy" and unresponsive at times and the weapons don't feel meaty like they should (the weak sound is a big part of this). I've tried to keep an even keel and be objective because I'm seeing a game before it's release, but honestly it doesn't feel satisfying.
Compare that with the original Doom, and it's about the same; janky movement and a hollow, "thin" feeling to the levels. Nu-Doom has at least improved on the original scenery, but the weapons have taken a hit, in that they don't feel as satisfying to use. Like the plasma gun or big shotgun in Doom 3. The sound mainly lets them down.
The movement is a bit weird, just not natural-feeling. It's an improvement from 1993.
Btw I am playing using a brand-new XB One controller so I don't know if that helps or not. The game certainly feels more like Halo DM than Doom, and it looks like it as well.
All in all, I'm still skeptical about this as it just comes across as generic as generic can be, there's no real flavor to the game.
It's salted tortilla chips; the game. Dip it in something and it might be decent.
>>334413731
That sounds like smart playing.
Also, you can best players with better aim and movement solely by playing smarter. Quake and UT arena shooters are about smart play, Doom simply isnt.
I'm enjoying it, but they need to stop dropping people into matches already in progress. That's bullshit.
>>334413875
>Strongest weapon
In a proper arena FPS, there is no best weapon. There are favorite weapons and there are weapons that are better suited for certain situations than others. For example, a rocket launcher is a viable choice whenever someone's at a medium distance and has a limited range of movement options available to them, however is complete shit when out in the open. A chaingun with hit scan is also a really good weapon to use to close in on a wounded enemy until you get close enough to completely finish them off with a lightning gun. Rail guns are good for fighting from afar, but the refire rate makes you extremely vulnerable so it's suicide to try to pull one out closer than medium ranges.
>>334414201
Imagine if you weren't playing king of the hill but still controlling a portion of the map. Maybe one with an important spawn that you want/don't want the other player to have.
Whoa.....so this is the power of critical thinking.....
Didn't read the thread, not going to, don't care about the multiplayer or how hardcore it is.
Are the guns fun to shoot? Just to clarify, to me, Metro 2033 and Wolfenstein have big, bulky guns that go rat-atatatatatat and shoot big bad guys with big fun noises. Animation is satisfying, like you just want to stand and shoot at a wall. Games like counterstrike have boring shooting.
So, does Doom have guns that are fun to shoot?
>>334413143
They aren't different at all stop lying. UT4 even reuses the same fucking maps as UT99 and the only think it does any differently is the control scheme ripped straight from UT2k4. Unreal is even slower even with it's "movement explotation mechanics" than Doom 4 so I don't know why it always gets mentioned in these threads
I just played it, and it reminded me too much of Halo 5 with less content and things to do. I doubt the full multiplayer will have as much content as the Halo games do, so I have no interest in the multiplayer. The guns feel like shit, and it seems all around too generic for me to really get into.
Probably not going to buy the game because of that. If they're offering Halo 5.5 on PC with multiplayer, then I'm not expecting much for the single player now. Hopefully it's dramatically different and offers some originality.
>>334414073
>defending dumb fun games makes me a white knight
At least you didn't call me a SJW.
>>334414364
again
>camping a spawn/item
>intelligent
That's some low standards
>>334414398
This is one of the few things I'll grant them - the guns are really nice. SSG sounds meaty.
>>334414492
It's almost as if you would shift the part of the map that you're controlling as time goes by since different things spawn at different times.
Nice backpedal though, faggot.
Game feels comfy on PC
only good guns are the sniper and shotty
>>334414670
>It's almost as if you would shift the part of the map that you're controlling as time goes by since different things spawn at different times.
People actually think this takes brain power and critical thinking. Maybe you should go do some brain puzzles or something, that's pathetic.
>>334414423
UT2k4 has almost nothing in common with UT4 actually.UT2k4 was floaty, had double jumping and the guns didn't really feel like guns. UT4 is more grounded and has A LOT more dodging techniques including the wall to wall climbing that was present in Unreal Championship 2. The weapons are also closer to being in between those of UT99 and UT3.
>>334414709
Taunt animations are important in Doom.
>>334414810
Damn son you must be super good at Quake if you think its this easy. Wanna duel?
>>334414764
I like the RL, i'm tired of most RL in arena shooters that feel like you are shooting balls of fire instead of actual slow moving devastating rockets.
>>334403213
It's just children. Petulant children that didn't get the exact christmas present they wanted.
>>334414867
It takes meta, and being able to click on pixels. So please stop embarrassing yourself and pretending it takes any semblance of intelligence
>>334414764
2 direct rockets kills a person pretty much, not sure why people call it weak.
LG is better than it's counterpart from qlive and is more like quake 3.
literally what
>>334414810
Nobody said that it took critical thinking. I just pointed out that you lacked a basic human skill that any six year old has. If you were unable to infer what map control meant when people were calling you a retard for thinking it meant KotH then you should beg your elementary/primary school to re-teach you.
It doesn't take much brain power to memorize the timers no, but it does start to become harder as you add in more and more item's timers as they are picked up throughout the match. That's on top of trying to outsmart your opponent and landing pre-fires. Obviously at high level play it isn't as difficult since everyone knows the timers and so you have a good idea of when an item will be grabbed.
>>334415113
Sounds like you're dodging to me. I'm sure you don't even understand the basic concepts behind duel theory.
I doubt you've ever actually dueled for more than a few hours, honestly.
>>334415198
>implying he's ever played the game at all
>>334408231
Looks nothing like DOOM, either. As such as I don't want the game. If this bothers you, I can give you my steam account and you are more than welcome to buy the game for me to get me to play. But I am not wasting 60 dollars on a blatrant AAA cash grab 5 hour long game with 3 day shelf life multiplayer.
>>334414810
it does take critical thinking though, which is specifically why it is often considered the most inaccessible gametype in any game. you have to time items, you have to control items, you need to know what the best path to get to the item is and when to even start going toward it. you need to know when the item spawns, you need to learn when an enemy picks it up and plan to take it over before the next spawn. saying duels take no skill is one of the most retarded things ive ever heard anyone say and if you genuinely think this, you straight up don't enjoy arena shooters and shouldn't have an opinion of them
>>334415058
even if they got exactly what they wanted, a doom 2 reskin, with everything but graphics and maps the same, they would still find ways to complain. "this isn't different enough to warrant a sequel!" or "why would i play this when the original game plays the same yet runs on my toaster?". concerning doom 4 id software did the right thing. i still remember how quake 4 was shit on for being too much like quake 3.
>>334403213
ehhh my bro just told me different.
just got back from work, about to find out for myself.
>>334414810
map control in 1v1 does take brain power and critical thinking. You've got several different resources placed at different areas in the maps with varying environments with different advantageous points for positioning, as well as an opponent who could go anywhere depending on the position of what items he wants, where you may be, etc. To play at even a decent level you have to use "game sense" and thinking to process these different factors in real time and make decisions on a constant basis, simultaneously with other actions that require mental and mechanical skill, at a fast pace.
>>334414764
>Doom
>Sniper
Okay I changed my mind, this game has no hope. I'm glad I didn't waste bandwidth on it.
>>334415408
memorization=critical thinking?
News to me.
>>334415113
>Good reflex
>Good coordination
>Good timing and memory
>not intelligence
Just like i thought, typical public server shitter who has never played a single duel on his life.
You don't know about Arena shoters, you the typical average consumerist fan that talks a lot.
The only people mad are the PC master race.
Console peasants are happy because halo multiplayer was fun, and doom multiplayer is like halo, thus also fun.
Also, if you think DOOM is about the multiplayer, you're a plebian.
>>334415408
>quake 4 was shit on for being too much like quake 3.
HAHAHAH IF ONLY THAT WAS THE CASE
WHAT THE QUAKE COMMUNITY WOULDN'T FUCKING GIVE TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK IN TIME AND HAVE QUAKE 4 JUST BE A Q3A CLONE
>>334415571
>reflex
>coordination
>memory
>intelligence
You just went full retard, never go full retard
>>334415545
you have a very strict definition of critical thinking. what do you consider critical thinking? being able to win every match your first game? call of duty must be the epitome of critical thinking
>>334415637
it was a quake 3 clone you fucking retard. people shit on it because it's singleplayer, WHICH QUAKE 3 DIDNT EVEN HAVE SO IM NOT COMPARING QUAKE 4 TO QUAKE 3 SINGLEPLAYER. quake 4 multiplayer was literally quake 3 multiplayer with an additional movement exploit, sliding
The throwable teleporter is fun as hell when you use the super shotty, and it's more or less a fast game, something I quite like. The demon mode seems kind of annoying since it's got 300 health and dual rocket launchers but it's pretty easy to deal with if you keep your distance.
That said the first server I joined was everyone at 300+ ping and the second and third games still lingered around ~150ms, and then my friend got bored and we stopped playing. And fuck that gauss gun to hell. I died around corners a few times which was annoying but all in all it's pretty fun for a free thing to do this weekend. But there's no chance in hell I'm actually going to buy this thing.
>>334413143
Why are people praising the new UT? As a hardcore UT player, I am quite skeptical. So far it looks like UT 99 with better graphics. They haven't even added vehicles...
>>334415764
>quake 4 multiplayer was literally quake 3 multiplayer with an additional movement exploit, sliding
If only.
>>334415764
Being able to invent on the spot, beyond meta and memorization.
>>334415794
gauss just needs to lose the stupid splash damage. make it a precision weapon that actually takes skill to use. if you encounter someone with gauss, dodging doesn't do shit
>>334415846
>>334415764
that's not to say the game doesn't take lots of coordination and quick reactions. I'm just saying it's not as cerebral as people like to say it is.
>>334415846
Whoa, it's almost as if you just described having good reflexes, but that can't be right since you dismissed that earlier.
>>334415764
Quake 4 was almost an identical game to Doom 3 and played nothing like Quake 3. Could you perhaps remind me why Doom 3 had such a mixed reception?
>>334415993
you're grasping at straws now, I never said that. In fact i explicitly stated otherwise >>334415975
>>334416095
>Quake 4 was almost an identical game to Doom 3
it was similar to doom 3, but Doom 3 mp was similar to Quake 3. Both Doom 3 and Quake 4 ran on the same engine, so strafejumping and rampjumping felt very similar.
>and played nothing like Quake 3
wrong
>>334403213
of course its seems fine for you, after all they did dumbed it down and cater to the lowest common denominator now.
>>334415638
Faggots like you can only talk for a little time before you get your coward ass handed to yourself, what else do you need to stop doging the argument and admit being a proffesional FPS player takes intellgence? Being able to predict your oponent tactis or location? Being able to be a smart teamplayer? Arena shooter got both of thsoe, you just the typical fedora sperg who probably thinks only chess requires smart and that box is just people mindlessly punching eachoter, fucking faggot.
>>334416296
Thumbs up if your a trve DOOM fan \m/
>>334416269
>I never said that
>>334415638
>reflex
>intelligence
inb4 n-not me
>>334416095
Not the guy you're arguing with, but DOOM 3 was a good game.
I for one appreciated the emphasis on the hell aspect of the game. A lot of doom supplementary stuff like the books and movie call the enemies monsters from another dimension, and to see DOOM 3 actually take you to a pretty interesting hell was great.
For the record, I never played multiplayer and I don't like arena shooters so people sperging out about the new DOOM beta which I'm quite enjoying seems silly.
>>334416275
Dude just because they had the same guns doesn't mean they were the same fucking game lol. They were entirely different engines with pretty vastly different physics rulesets, not to mention I'm pretty sure nobody ported CPMA ...
>>334415842
what the fuck do you expect me to say? you aren't presenting an argument, you aren't telling me how quake 4 isn't like quake 3, you are just saying im wrong but how am i wrong?
>>334415846
in quake you might have a preferred playstyle, but it does not work 100 percent of the time. you need to learn how your enemy thinks, where you think he would be, what his strengths and weaknesses are and work against him. you can't coast the game doing the same thing every time, no two games are exactly alike and you need to develop a strategy to defeat your enemy
>>334416095
no it was not. doom 3 was disliked because doom has always been about singleplayer, which doom 3 singleplayer was nothing like the other doom games. doom 3 multiplayer was also nothing like the other doom games, instead being too similar to a slower, heavier feeling quake, with all the same movement exploits of quake. quake on the other hand has always been about multiplayer, even quake 1 with it's fantastic singleplayer was more popular for multiplayer. if quake 4 just didn't include a singleplayer campaign it would have been popular (for less work) and if you are unfamiliar with it's multiplayer i recommend you check it out though it's dead
>>334416370
Playing the game a lot and remembering where people tend to go through sheer time-in, is not intelligence. And you seem VERY upset now.
>>334415830
> hardcore UT player
>cares about vehilces at all
You are a joke.
>>334403213
Its fun, but /v/ is just being its usual self.
I would have loved for fast Arena shooters to actually make a competitive comeback, but it seems that it just won't happen. They are fun as fuck to watch even though I don't play them.
>>334416385
Reflex has nothing to do with intelligence you retard. Is has to do with reflexes.
Christ you're thick.
>>334416457
see>>334416493
>>334416515
Really? Because I had absolutely no fun at all after playing exactly 3 matches and absolutely shitting on everyone.
Why are DOOM threads the only threads where I see people saying it's okay when Bethesda dumbs down a game for the lowest common denominator?
>see all these people defending this obvious blunder of a game
>check time
>3:58
No correlation...
>>334416641
So you played the game for like 30 minutes then? Wow. Like I said, /v/ just being /v/
>>334416493
Thats just one skill of the many ones that can decide a match, im upset because try hards who never had a duel on his life think they can know about arena shooters when they are just lazy spergs who have never dedicated to getting skilled.
It's like a stupid dumbfuck couchpotato tried to tell a professional player how to play sports.
>>334416602
>competitive comeback
There are plenty of competitive circuits for arena FPS. Warsow has tournaments all the time, challonge cup is frequent as fuck and open registrations to ANYONE.
Quake Live hovers around 1k players and has tons of different leagues and cups literally everyday.
HLDM still has a decently active league with people from all over the world competing.
If you want to play competitive arena FPS, go ahead. No ones stopping. We're all waiting, we could use more players.
Or do you only play games released in the past 3 years made by triple A devs?
>>334416515
>but /v/ is just being its usual self.
If its just /v/ then why does the game have a
>37%
positive rating?
honestly i had fun with it, its fast paced just like quake I dont see what the problem is. Its beta all the little things will be ironed out.
>>334416493
>>334416606
you are completely unfamiliar with the game and yet have a loud opinion of it. you aren't even listening to me nor are you telling me an example of a game that actually takes intelligence
>>334416767
>PLAY THE GAME
>but I di-
>NO YOU DIDN'T
The vicious cycle of fanboyism
>>334416772
I'm not saying the game isn't difficult, i'm not saying it doesn't require skill.
You just don't have to have a high IQ to be good at it like people try to make it seem.
>>334416672
Because Doom was always that, a dumb fun shooter.
>>334415830
>Unreal Tournament
>Vehicles
I'll admit, the vehicles mod for UT99 is a blast to play (UT2k4 and UT3 vehicles were meh) but you don't really play UT for vehicles.
>>334416806
PC nerds and /v/ would look less like a Venn diagram and more like a circle.
>>334416767
I played it for about exactly that according to steam. Why should I have to play the game for longer than 30 minutes to realize its slow as fuck, theres a huge imbalance between the weapons, it looks like fucking ass, no good movement mechanics, no weapon pickups, and the few pickups that actually exist are fucking boring?
I didn't have fun at all. I can usually have fun in any little shitty free to play shooter just running around and pooping on kids that can't aim. this was not the case with DOOM, it was just genuinely not fun at all.
I'd rather play some garbage like WolfTeam than DOOM fucking seriously.
>>334416876
>videogames
>requiring intelligence
>>334416806
optimization, doom 4 runs like shit on any parts older than 3 years
>>334416804
I just said I don't play them in my post, nutsack. I just like to watch them. Fighting games are my competitive choice when it comes to playing. I just wish there was new game that came out to spark it into something as big as CSGO so that there were major tournaments all the time to watch.
>>334417029
i didn't even limit it to videogames though
static gun -> shotty is basically OP compared to all the other ways to kill dudes
i wish visible power item timer was always on and not a "hack"-only thing
i keep expecting ot be able to change directions when double jumping. they need to let that be a thing
>>334403213
Not wanting to be a bandwagoning memester I decided to try it out before flinging shit everywhere.
>Loadouts
>Input lag
>Double jump
>lol whacky colours
>lol whacky taunts
>2 weapons
>Input lag
>slow movement
>netcode is shite
>INPUT LAG
>60fps limit
>maps have 0 flow to them
>gigantic weapon models
>FUCKING INPUT LAG
How the fuck can a so called "arena shooter" get to the beta stage whilst still having this horrendous amount of input lag? It's insane.
The game looks like shit, runs like shit, plays like shit, is balanced like shit. I don't know what this is but it certainly isn't Doom, it's not even id. it's like a weird mash of Halo, UT and CoD.
Shit game.
>>334416897
>You just don't have to have a high IQ to be good at it like people try to make it seem.
Good IQ can actually make you a better player though, i doubt players who rush to oponents, do the same dumb mistakes get mad easily and never change their playstyle have great IQ.
>>334417043
>PC nerds
Oh god please don't tell me the people shilling this are Sonyggers
>PKEKS WILL NEVER EVER ENJOY DOOM 4 XD
>>334417157
>game is a mash of three of the most popular shooting games ever made
>but it isn't the exact thing that /v/ wanted which is _______
>so its shit
>>334417157
turn off vsync and motion blur, and also the servers a shit
>>334417258
reply to
>>334416985
>>334417029
they do, It's a form of human competition at the end, but betafags will never understand this.
Even Brutal Doom is better than this pile of shit
>>334417147
Logic puzzles.
>>334417258
nigger the whole thread is about the steam rating of the game. there are no optimization options at all, you cannot even turn off antialiasing and most people cant even fucking run it so you will see 90 percent of the players leaving midmatch because their machines are literally frozen. thats my experience with it anyways
>>334417302
>game is a mash of three of the most popular shooting games ever made
CoD, Halo, and Doom?
>but it isn't the exact thing that /v/ wanted which is _______
A Doom game to be Doom and not Halo?
>so its shit
Thirty. Seven, Percent.
>>334403213
It is just average and that doesn't cut it for Doom
>>334417140
Then watch them! The challonge cup is streamed literally everytime we have it! /arenaFPS on twitch!
There are so many different leagues and cups spread across all the active arena FPS games! Just because we don't pull 10k viewers on twitch doesn't we don't exist. The competitive scene is still just as good as ever with tons of great players and fierce competition and awesomely close results.
>>334417398
>BRutal Doom edgy favela edition
>better than anything.
No.
Doom is great
>>334417504
Do they plan on olaying the new UT?
>>334403420
> It took all the best parts of shooters today
so it sucks?
>>334417429
example?
i would so far as claim quake to be a logic puzzle. you don't start out knowing what all works and you learn it. do logic puzzles suddenly become classified as memorization once youve beaten it once and understand how to complete it?
>>334403213
It's just that some people have different tastes, and those who don't like it are often louder than the ones who do like it
(because the ones who do like it are busy playing it)
>>334417330
I have retard. It's not a vsync issue. Even mouse movement in menus is horrendous.
>>334417621
>does it require any critical thinking to figure out an answer you already know
Did you even have to ask that?
>>334417157
I just hope the single player is OK. I have a bad feeling though.
Why do I torture myself like this?Why are we still here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc0EzLc7NZg
>>334409751
if that were on a 1080 resolution it would literally be TF2 tier of clutter
>>334417554
this familia.
>>334417719
it does though
>>334414709
Feels comfy with my nerf gun.
>>334417603
Its not very good for duels so no.
I honestly feel that the negative reaction the game is getting is a result of gamers maturing out of the hyper-violence realm and gravitating towards more mature storytelling. "Kill the bad guys" gets old after a few decades.
People really do seem to be complaining about things that were from Quake or UT rather than Doom.
I've seen "no bunnyhopping" listed as a real complaint about DOOM on here way too many times, for starters.
>>334416441
Dude just because they had different physics rulesets doesn't mean they were entirely different games lol.
>>334417937
That's too bad. I haven't played it yet, I was hoping they did a good job with it.
>>334417971
Except a physics ruleset is like 90% of what makes up an arena shooter.
Why do you think Warsow and Quake 2 are entirely fucking different games despite being on the same god damn engine? Because Warsow has different physics ruleset and movement mechanics.
Like how Quake 4 has different physics ruleset and movement mechanics compared to Q3A.
>people shilling this game so hard when it's just yet another generic as fuck modern FPS that does nothing but copy whatever's popular at the time
Game will last a month after release at best.
>>334417554
If you mean the first two, yes they are very fun and innovative games inspired by many things from the 80s and 90s.
>>334418052
>>334417937
Good game, almost as good as UT99, but not that great for dueling.
>>334418142
>people defending ANY modern game
embarrassing
>>334417951
My concerns are loadouts and perks. In a Doom game. A game that they said was going back to its roots.
Overall, I'm enjoying the game. It sucks that Glory kills don't offer I-Frames. I also think movement should be like 20% faster, and jumping should be higher and provide more control.
Weapons feel hefty and feel like they deal a lot of damage. I do wish direct rocket hits did more damage.
Most of my gripes can be fixed in custom game modes.
I want the single player to be great, I don't play many online games.
>>334417946
God no. The issue is that the gameplay fucking sucks ass.
>>334416672
we are at the denial part
>>334418219
I think you mean every modern AAA title, as there's plenty of good games still being made by smaller developers.
I'm glad they took that old grandpa game and made it the True Gamer Experience™!
>>334418142
Whats wrong with wanting a dumb shooter that isn't military garbage like cawaduddy?
>>334418338
True, I had a lot of fun with shovel knight.
>>334418269
Custom/snapmap games are limited to 4 players. Basically we're fucked.
>>334413884
yeah i really dont think most people here have played doom in its era.
People are talking about quake. Doom/Doom2 only had a very limited and simple online presence and it still does.
There are people here talking about rocket jumping and shit which has never and still isnt a thing in doom.
Im just proud of the gaming community that this shit that is doom 2016 isnt on first page of the steam best sellers list. I have some faith that people wont just buy garbage because of a name.
I'm just looking forward to the singleplayer. A campaign is nice and all, but is it true you can create levels and play them all while offline?
If so, it really is like the days of old.
>>334418410
Why pay $60 for a reskinned Call of Duty when you could just play Call of Duty?
>>334418089
It's simple. You say it played nothing like Quake 3. Quake 4 is a faster game with different physics (although similar movement tricks) but to say it plays nothing like Quake 4 simply because of the engine and physics is highly disagreeable. What's also disagreeable is your interpretation of my post; in no way did I say they were the same game (certainly not identical, as you referring to the relationship between doom 3 and quake 4, which is a laughable opinion). I just believe they're similar due to the items, the metagame of duel, the weapons, etc.
>>334418656
its not like call of duty though
>>334416672
>Bethesda boogeyman
Can't wait for epic todd memes from faggots who can't tell the difference between BGS and BethSoft
>>334418551
Rocket jumps DID exist in Doom, they were just handled differently. You couldn't propel yourself off the ground with a rocket because you couldn't freelook, but you could launch yourself off a wall which was the intended way to reach the secret exit of Mt Erebus.
>>334418703
>but to say it plays nothing like Quake 4
*Quake 3
>>334417758
>if you wanted a good game go play one instead and leave me alone
Diamond dozen with you neo-Doom faggots
It really comes down to:
Do you think that this game is going to be played religiously by people everywhere for the next 20 years like Doom1&2?
Or do you think in a few years it'll be that 5 dollar game a low income family picks up from the discount bin for their son's 9th birthday.
>>334418791
Fuck that level, incidentally. That and the teleport level before it are the worst levels in Doom.
>>334416672
>dumbs down
Are you retarded? The original Doom games were as simple as a game fucking got. How is this dumbing down? Oh I get it you're just a stupid memer.
its a video game
>>334418656
Every dumb shooter has to be call of duty now? Youre fuckin cancer.
>>334418791
>Not
>A
>Jump
That's a boost, if it doesn't launch you up, it's not a fucking jump.
>>334418703
It plays "like" it in the sense that they are both arena shooters.
Like how Warsow plays "like" Quake 2.
But trying to say that Quake 4 was nothing but a graphical upgrade to Quake 3 and thats why people didnt accept it is fucking retarded and un-true. Every diehard Q3A fan would have fucking killed for a 1:1 port of Quake 3 with the same physics and movement but with prettier graphics.
>>334418885
Well the former is literally impossible due to the fact that DOOM is worshiped like that because it was one of the first. But the latter is pretty unlikely as well.
>>334418831
>neo-Doom faggots
End yourself.
>>334418269
this is all true
>>334418456
FUCKING
FUCK
FUUUUUUUUUUUCK because of fucking course they fucking did fuck it up
>>334418979
They're all the same shit you fucking retard.
>>334418597
bumping this
I really don't care about the multiplayer, just replay value.
>>334419023
>the latter is pretty unlikely
I dont know man, seems like it could be the next army of two
>>334418597
If >>334418396 is real this game truly has no saving grace
>>334419191
>seems like it could be the next army of two
I would love to hear your wonderful logic.
>>334418791
you can reach the secret just by straferunning though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRkRnBUWG54
rocket jumping probably wasn't even intentional in doom, just as it wasn't in the original quake
R.I.P arena shooters, quake live is 100x better then this garbage and its free jesus wtf
>>334419286
I mean as in, 5 dollars in the discount bin.
>>334418831
>quake clones
>good games
There is a reason they are dead.
>>334419080
>i don't even play videogames: the post
Pathetic, master shitposters is all this hatebandwagon is all about.
>>334419252
You do know challenges aren't the same as your phat cheevos?
Challenges have various levels, with the lower ones being easy as shit and taking two minutes, all the way to the long-ass ones that are balls-hard.
Also, you didn't even answer the dude's question.
>>334418831
>Diamond dozen
Man, I wish I could UNwatch trailerpark boys, so that I could watch it all again.
>[ANY AAA COMPANY IN THE MODERN GAME INDUSTRY] PRESENTS A REBOOT OF A CLASSIC SERIES
Yeah I bet this won't be mediocre
>>334419353
>quake live is 100x better then this garbage and its free
Anon..
>>334419550
It's the same staff, sperglord.
>>334419353
if its 100x better why does no one play it
Checkfuckingm80
>>334419550
Ninja Gaiden was the only good reboot
>>334419303
It WAS intentional actually and confirmed by the devs to be so, but people figured out you could strafe run to get to that exit because rockets didn't push you back in the SNES version of the game.
>>334419017
>But trying to say that Quake 4 was nothing but a graphical upgrade to Quake 3 and thats why people didnt accept it is fucking retarded and un-true
I agree, however this is not what I said. I believe Quake 3 players found enjoyment in the elements and similarities of Quake 4, just as they found enjoyment in the elements and similarities of Doom 3. The pro scenes of both games were made up of plenty of Quake 3 players
its literally dogshit. UT4 is far better, and is only in alpha
>>334419627
>It's the same staff
Nobody from the original team is working on it, it's barely id anymore
>>334419628
Hovers around 1k players, actually, with a very active competitive scene. Come join us!
>>334419353
It actually costs 10 dollars now which is very much a good thing! Beforehand you had to pay for a "pro" subscription just to have access to all the maps among other basic features. If you ever played it on steam before it went buy to play you do get it for free, though.
>>334419756
how are the games similar?
>>334417845
How do you get theese colours?
>>334419627
we both know that's not true marketer-kun
>>334419550
Every time ID released a new game we had shitstorms.
Every_single_time.
It's just we had last doom game 12 years ago.
>>334419748
Hard to tell who is who in this thread but someone was definitely saying verbatim that quake 4 is a quake 3 "clone"
>>334419756
>we only can have one game!
They not even similar gameplay wise.
>>334419850
>marketer-kun
Underaged paranoid fags are here; abandon thread
>>334419851
this. it happens on stagnation. imagine if half-life 3 was actually announced and the shit that would follow it
i genuinely think doom 4 is a good game and am glad its generating so much controversy since that just means more people will know about it
>>334419960
Are you triggered, marketer-san?
>>334403213
1 the maps are shit
2 the movement system is shit
3 the weapons are generic
4 it has a weapon limit
everyone ignore op he's a retard
>>334418456
why tho
>>334419924
>>334419835
i never said they were similar, i said Doom was shit
>>334419809
>none of the original 6 members are working on this new game 23 years later
gee i fucking wonder why. would you have rather the doom ip been killed with the team?
>>334420036
>a namefag is a retard
Who knew?
>>334420095
a comparison implies two things are similar. im not going to compare for example serious sam to doom even though both are fps games with pickup systems
>people bitching about competitive multiplayer
DOOM was always about the single player and custom levels and you damn well know it. Snapmap is basically going to bring back the WAD days in a new format.
>>334420178
just call namefags tripfags anon
>>334419848
You get those colors very early on. Glossy yellow and orange.
>>334420327
You fucking wish that snapmap will have even a quarter of the functionality and customization you're expecting.
>>334419550
>Literally all of /v/ praising Wolfenstein
Where have you been?
>>334418905
The game's very clearly designed for consoles, at least the multiplayer is. The fact that there's loadouts is a dead giveaway to this fact.
>>334419550
wolfenstein and deus ex both had great reboots anon
>>334420374
>fuck you it's going to be shit
I love shitposting logic.
It's people being pissed off that a AAA game in a long established genre in 2016 is far worse than a game from 1993 when the genre was still new.
>>334420439
I'll never understand why these triple A devs refuse to use a weapon wheel for multiplayer first person shooters
Why did it have to be ZeniMax of all companies that acquired id?
>>334420143
Yes actually. I would rather a new team form to go create something new and exciting instead of clinging on to ancient titles to make a quick buck.
The lack of creativity in the industry and the incentive to sell out are some of the major problems in the industry today.
>>334420461
Really? I played maybe 2 hours of D.E HR before I just got overwhelmingly bored
>>334408404
Yeah remove jumping and crawling. It doesn't help the game at all
>>334403213
it felt too slow and uninspired for me.
It's not even the 2 weapon system (which I dislike but can live with) it's how bland the MP is.
I'm hoping the SP campaign is better.
>>334420379
Fucking marketers, just like half of this thread including OP. That's all it is. Noone actually likes Wolfenstein, well, noone who likes old shooters and has any idea what is technically possible on PC and how far we've fallen while only graphics improved.
>>334420461
No. Stop it. DEHR is only considered good because Invisible War murdered the Deus Ex brand. If Invisible War didn't exist people would have expected a proper sequel to Deus Ex from HR and it would have been universally hated. It's only the comparison to an even worse game that makes it seem okay. Also the fact that nothing else good came out around the same year or several years, really.
>>334420579
I'm sorry for your terrible taste
>>334420327
> Snapmap is basically going to bring back the WAD days in a new format.
dude you can't even make your own level geometry, you have to choose from premade rooms that you snap together.
>>334420673
It just made me want to play splinter cell desu, It's been a long time since I played it. Want to share what you like about it? Maybe that can inspire me to boot it up again.
>>334420664
what drugs are you on HR was great
>>334420568
you are a minority, most people actually enjoy sequels to series they enjoy
>>334420664
>all praise for any released game is marketers
You're the definition of a nostalgia-riddled contrarian faggot.
Invisible War wasn't half-bad, by the way. Nowhere near the first title or HR, but still playable.
>>334420664
You just sound like a bitter old faggot
Human Revolution and The New Order were both good
>>334420439
It's not being dumbed down compared to the originals though. Honestly the simpler it is the more Doom like it's going to feel. But no thy had to add in bullshit like kill animations and load outs.
>doom beta comes out
>shitstorm on /v/
>download it because bored, expect a halo/cod clone
>mfw my first match
I...I'm confused, why aren't we supposed to like this? It's pretty good except for the hack modules and melee in general.
>>334420729
holy fuck are you fucking kidding me? can someone please for the love of god compile a list of all shit known about snap map this sounds fucking awful
>>334420807
no, Detroit was great, the rest of the game was shit.
>>334407710
>Doom 2 has no friction whatsoever feels like you're on ice.
wow. exactly. there's near INFINITE friction in this game.
Whoops!
>>334420729
>you have to choose from premade rooms that you snap together.
Half-true. The premade rooms can be altered (expanded vertically, horizontally, etc.).
>>334421007
conglaturations, you are one of the first people on this board to actually try the game before posting about it. you win a frustrating night of fanfueled damage controlsomeone please stop me MODS BAN ME
>>334420995
>>334420807
>>334420807
>>334420673
seriously can someone explain to me the appeal of D.E:HR? It's been years since I even gave it a try and I'm thinking about booting it up again.
>>334421045
china was better
>>334421007
Its pretty much Halo.
But I kinda like Halo.
>>334421007
People expected Quake lmao
>>334416708
How dare you? This game will be the GOTY.
>>334420664
I thought HR was great and I've never even played Invisible War.missing link was shit though
>>334421268
fuck Quake, Quake is shit and was made irrelevant by Unreal Tournament
DOOM 1 is still the best fucking DOOM game and still the best arena FPS
>>334420902
I can think of very few franchises that benefit from having more than 2 sequels.
Elder Scrolls and Fallout both got boring after a few entries.
Halo got shit after ODST
CoD got shit after 4
Battlefield 3 onwards was a pile of horseshit
Medal of Honor is a literal punchline now
I can name a few more but I'm sure you get the point. They either diverge from their core product while trying to keep it recognizable and end up with a horrific hybrid mutant of a game or they cash out and make the exact same game year after year. The only series I can think of off the top of my head that stayed interesting after a shit tonne of sequels is Final Fantasy.
>>334421381
Do people still play doom mp?
>>334421252
>it's halo
I've seen people saying this, I just don't understand how. Is it because you have customizable armor and you cant sprint?
>>334421451
if anything people are playing more DOOM MP than ever thanks to co-op fan sourceports like Skulltag.
>>334421486
Don't forget loadouts. Although that is a very real complaint compared to some like people bitching about HUDs
How about instead of making weapons do no damage you could, I don't know, NOT HAVE LOADOUTS SO YOU CAN'T IMMEDIATELY START WITH THE BEST WEAPONS.
>>334421486
Two weapons system, similar floatiness and verticality, similar damage model (how many shots it takes different weapons to kill you), grenades work the same way, melee works the same way.
Minus the regenerating health, plus the powerups there are similarities
>New DOOM essentially has a mario maker mode
>Implying /v/ won't flood with troll levels consisting of you in a small box with 5 cyberdemons
It's both wonderful and horrible.
>>334421891
someone should make a Devil Daggers level and call it DOOM Daggers
>>334421416
doom had more than two entries though. final doom 1 and 2, and doom 64.
not even mentioning the master levels, nerve.wad, and other official addons
especially not including all the excellent fan megawads that are even better than the original games and i would count as sequels that are god damned fantastic like pirate doom, scyth, memento mori, dtwid etc
i don't think it gets tiring, if you love a game you want more of it and i think doom 4 has a potential to have great singleplayer since it doesn't have the main issues people complain about (loadouts and taunts is basically all)
>>334421451
yeah, fuck yes. you can still expect a lot of full servers. zandronum is the sourceport most people use for online, doomseeker is the server browser most people use though you can try others and it should be compatible (like doom explorer). most online servers use doom 2 though
>>334421617
>loadouts
I only played till 3 but I don't remember load outs being in halo. that's more of a cod thing. even if the new halos have loadouts, I wouldn't call it a halo thing since they would have copied it from CoD.
>>334421792
Two weapon system and melee are fair points, the rest are kind of grasping.
>>334421891
Beats the shit out of Terry WADs, at least.
How fast do people exactly want the game to be? Because the movement speed is pretty much equivalent to sprinting in other shooters already.
>>334420308
>2 scifi arena FPS arent similar at all and shouldn't be compared ever
>>334403213
Just got back from lunch, played for about an hour while I was home. It was fun, physics and guns are fine, climbing walls is fluid; the comparisons to Halo are a bit of an exaggeration (speed-wise). Lightning gun is hilarious, super shotgun + glory kills are satisfying. Having a dozen guys double-jumping in a room with guns blazing is pretty damn frantic, especially if there's a revenant flying around. Warpath is cool because it makes players converge to one area to brawl.
8/10 will play again. Don't really get all the hate. I still have Doom wads on my PC so if I ever want that classic touch I can just go back and play those.Console players: turn off motion blur and chromatic aberration. They're just visual pizazz; no good reason to have them on.
>>334422135
i asked how they were similar and you said they weren't. make up your mind and tell me how ut4 is relevant here you stupid child
The game needs rocket jumping and a bit faster movement and then it would be a game worth playing.
>>334422370
ZeniMax Media sockpuppet gtfo
>>334422370
I want it to stay popular but will propably be forgotten in a month or so
Just played it for 20 mins. Pretty fun. Looking forward to SP though, MP never been my thing. The guns are quite satisfying and the game feels nicely fast paced just like old school DOOM.
>All these faggots with super shotguns
Fuckin Gears of war sawed offs all over again
>>334417330
This. I don't have vsync or motion blur on. Game feels sluggish as fuck.
>>334423004
Seriously
>Lightning gun
>Several seconds of sustained, pinpoint accurate fire to kill
>Super shotgun
>At the average engagement range, two shots that you can splooge off in the general direction of the enemy
>>334422826
>anybody who praises something I don't like is a shill
you must live an interesting life
>>334423004
you can blame doom 2 fags for that. the gun completely dominated multiplayer and was overall unnecessary but as you can plainly see doomfags are loud as fuck and you can only imagine the shitstorm that would commence if it wasn't there. its like the quake 2 railgun all over again
why are custom maps in snapmap restricted to 4 player max?
>>334422067
Reach added loadouts
>>334420807
>sticky cover
>third person for that and even for fucking ladders
>third person takedown bullshit instead of melee weapons
>non-lethal is more stealthy AND gives more XP, there is literally no reason to do a lethal takedown ever
>XP for every little shit you take so the best way to play is to run around and explore EVERYTHING
>ridiculous load times on all platforms
>framerate hiccups never really fixed on PC
HR was okay but it certainly wasn't "great". It was a console game so it automatically failed to live up to the original PC Deus Ex.
It's an OK game. It's a shit Doom game. It deserves everything it's getting.
>>334403213
I like how all my friends that played and liked doom hate this new doom game and the friend I have that hated the old doom and loved and played every single halo game thinks this is the best game ever made.
>>334409596
The gameplay mod is Generations Arena
>>334423279
Likely because they're meant to be SP levels (as in Demons fucking everywhere) as opposed to a MP map.
I don't know how you got unfiltered, but thanks for making this shill thread to remind me to re-filter.
>>334423145
Most guns are fucked, the only weapons i'm decent with are rockets/plasma rifle. I just tried the static rifle and it did 40 dmg from 1/4 charge and 60 at full charge. That makes total sense.
THIRTY FIVE PERCENT
HOW LOW CAN WE GO?
static gun x rocket launcher combo is fun
glory moves are fucking retarded and ruined it for me
>>334423451
just because of it's meant? mang I wished to make haste power up riddled MP maps
>>334403213
Static gun + Super shotty was the best insta-kill combo for me. I had a blast playing it just there. Don't know if I'll buy it though.
Why don't they just make two separate buttons for melee and glory kill activation?
>Final Doom came out 20 years ago
I don't think anyone could reliably define what a Doom game would be in a modern context. If you were to remodel the first game today it'd probably get shit on the same way for not being pure enough. I believe Doom 4's singleplayer will be an improvement over Doom 3's pace all the way. The multiplayer is more of the familiar stuff I already know from Halo and Quake, the P2P lag is absolutely atrocious though, I hope they don't intend to get away with that.
>>334423657
nobody takes PC's shitposting ground serious right?
>>334424013
no, but aside from Reddit, most console users hate it too.
casuals don't seem to like it and hardcore fans hate it.
>>334421381
>Quake is shit and was made irrelevant by Unreal Tournament
Quake was always bigger than UT and still is right now. It's just owned by a SHIT COMPANY.
UT fans are getting a real new UT while Quake is still being played with graphics from 2001 (QL alone by more people than all UT versions combined afaik) and there's no Quake 5 in sight.
Looking at Doom 2016 I hope id goes under and Bethesda sells Quake, not knowing what to do with it because it can't be turned into a console game. Maybe competent people buy it, maybe not. Still better than anything modern id would do with the franchise most likely.
>>334423657
>bandwaggoning pc shitters
Truly the worst gaming community
>>334424196
>it can't be turned into a console game
with enough market research anything can be turned into a console game!
>>334424301
/v/ is for PC gamers, get out.
>>334424196
>it can't be turned into a console game.
Quake 3 Arena was on the Dreamcast and even had mod and M&K support on it.
My problem with Doom is it's too violent. Not even the original Doom was this bad.
>>334424403
Well now we know why this thread is so shit; it's full of steam regulars.
>>334424478
>too violent
It's not even as violent as Brutal Doom and that game is pretty fucking tame.
>>334424403
You wish faggot
>>334424196
I'd like to see id go down and Bethesda hold on to the Quake name so we don't have any more shit games like them.
>>334424553
Brutal Doom is unofficial. id Software and Bethesda are pushing this gory narrative as a norm. Dismemberment, gore, stuff like that. This is a mainline Doom game mind you.
>>334403213
stop using my fucking name retard
>>334424670
and it's still pussy shit by video game standards, not really that violent or horrific in its presentation.
>>334424478
While I like the game I agree with this. It's trying to be edgy
>>334424842
It's unnecessary and isn't the focus of Doom. But it's easily the most marketed focus of this new one.
>>334424375
A year or two ago I would have agreed but they've already sacrificed Doom on the HaloCOD altar. They won't do the same thing with Quake as that would mean competing with their own product. Quake would have to be faster, when Doom 2016 is already pushing the envelope for a console game. And you simply can't do strafing and rocket jumping with an analog stick. Never ever. As long as analog sticks are a thing Quake is safe from consoles.
>>334424452
MS and Sony don't want kb&m games on their consoles. Of course in theory you can use a console as a generic, weak computer and run any PC game on it but that's not profitable. UT3 tried that, too, remember?
It's just a slower Quake, that's it.
>>334425091
>as analog sticks are a thing Quake is safe from consoles.
i can only hope so
>>334425091
>MS and Sony don't want kb&m games on their consoles
iirc Paragon has M&K support.
>>334424590
>I didn't have the patience to learn strafejumping and instead chose to hold a grudge forever
>n-not like I wanted to git gud any way
>>334425167
Don't associate this shit with Quake.
>>334425167
>two weapon limit
>loadout spawning with any weapon you want
>perks
>no strafe jumping
>no rocket jumping
IT'S JUST LIKE QUAKE, GUYS!
>>334425228
Quake is shit, though.
>>334425348
Git gud
Nostalgia fags are the biggest cancer
>>334425491
We have good taste. Sorry you were born too late.
>>334425491
people who accept mediocrity and allow the industry to devolve are the biggest cancer.
It's really fun.
>>334425491
you're a nigger
>no mods
lol.
Well, here's hoping single player will be decent.
>>334425678
Keep sameposting, eventually you'll believe it yourself.
>>334425491
It's no meme that games these days are being dumbed down and turned into complete fucking shit. The mechanics make you feel like the devs thought you were a retard during the whole development cycle.
>>334425573
>>334425648
>>334425684
>>334426062
My guess is that all three of these posters never gamed in the 80s or 90s. People who made gaming pretentious from the two fronts are the biggest cancer: Art and indie fags on one side. Forum rat snobs and status signaling nostalgia fags on the other side.
>>334414842
Sandraker scum.
>>334426314
lol.
btw this doom is trash because the movement is trash.
movement is the core component of mind games in FPS.
there's no weight to the movement thus no commitment control aka the game is shallow.
>>334426742
>there's no weight to the movement thus no commitment control aka the game is shallow
did you play
https://github.com/id-Software/Quake-III-Arena/blob/master/code/game/bg_pmove.c
you just made my point, this board is filled with posers
>>334403213
>Is it just dumb nostalgiatards getting their panties in a twist as usual because it's not exactly the same as the original?
Don't you have school tomorrow?
>>334427191
it's friday.
>>334427191
unlike 98% of /v/, he likely has a job
>>334427307
how can you be old enough to post on this website and not have a job? Are you fucking retarded?
>>334427527
>Are you fucking retarded?
>>334427052
????
float pm_stopspeed = 100.0f;
float pm_duckScale = 0.25f;
float pm_swimScale = 0.50f;
float pm_wadeScale = 0.70f;
float pm_accelerate = 10.0f;
float pm_airaccelerate = 1.0f;
float pm_wateraccelerate = 4.0f;
float pm_flyaccelerate = 8.0f;
float pm_friction = 6.0f;
float pm_waterfriction = 1.0f;
float pm_flightfriction = 3.0f;
float pm_spectatorfriction = 5.0f;
???? you proved my point??
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