>Welcome to Burger King! Can I take your order?
>>Yes I'll have an Angry Whopper with fries and a drink.
>Sorry sir we don't serve the Angry Whopper anymore but right now we have the Angriest Whopper. It's even more spicy.
>>No it has too much spice. I want it to be less spicy and less delicious.
>Sir you would probably like the new Angriest Whopper better.
>>Fuck you. I'm going to force myself into your kitchen and make my own Angry Whopper and guess what? I'm not paying for it.
>I'm calling the police.
>>YOU CAN'T DO THIS! THIS IS WHAT I WANT! I WANT AN ANGRY WHOPPER! GIVE IT TO ME!
This is you, /v/.
>>334296847
angry whoppers were pretty good. vanilla wow was shit
>>334296847
>food analogy
>>334296847
no more food analogies
>>334296847
When did I become a nostalriuscuck?
>>334296847
>wowcucks using food analogies
>again
>>334296847
itd be more
>fuck you im going to my own kitchen to make an angry whopper
>we're calling the police
>>334296847
How do you get so fat that food is literally the only thing you can compare things to?
This shit again?
Is the industry so fucked up that even /v/ threads are just rehashes and remasters of the same thing?
>>334297193
by having a sedentary life style that catches up to you once you become an adult (anime, video games, porn, etc.)
>>334297146
>cuck
back to /pol/ fuccboi
>>334296847
Maybe you should stop OP and rethink this analogy.
>I'm going to use your the recipe you offered out as part of a purchase 13 years ago and create my own Angry Whopper, then give it out for free!
>release the McHamboigah
>stop selling said burger
>rival fastfood joint sells a burger very similar to the McHamboigah because there is an obvious demand for it
copyright laws have always been a mess but this is probably a better analogy.
>>334297358
>defending cuckoldry
>>334297193
source
>>334297439
>not going back to /pol/
>>334297181
So you're physically hosting the WoW server in your living room too? Fuckin' idiot.
>>334297370
>offered out
So if I take Bloodborne, steal the source code, then mass produce the game and give it out for free, I'm okay?
If only our world economy functioned in your flawless 12 year old logic, then we would all have free stuff forever!
>>334297525
>that guy that asks for source when the source is right there in the webm in clearly visible writing
>It's another '/V/ makes another shitty food analogy' thread
>>334296847
The irony of this situation is that while the Angriest Whopper isn't very spicy, the Angry Whopper wasn't very good either and if the customer weren't a fucking retard he'd go to a burger joint that's actually worth eating at like A&W or Five Guys.
>>334297547
Fuck off goobergater
>>334296847
Blizzard was in their complete right to shut down Nostalrius. No discussion there. It's the fact that they absolutely refuse to run a vanilla server themselves and spouting shit like "you don't know what you want" that's pissing everyone off.
everyone knows playing wow or a private server is literally only for people who smell their own farts
>>334296847
Man blizzard shills are in full effect today huh?
>I like chess, chess is fun!
>we are now updating chess to make it more like checkers, more people will find it more accessible and fun!
>but I liked the way chess felt. It's an overall harder game but it felt much more rewarding in the end
>y-you think y-you w-w-want chess b-but you want ch-checkers!
>>334297843
That's more accurate
+
it's not a shitty food analogy
>>334297759
i can only hear
Baa Baa i'm a sheep Baaa
>>334296847
>Hello, I would like to play a game of Chess, please.
>>I'm sorry, but Chess no longer exists. It is now known as Ultra Chess. It is similar to Chess, but we changed some of it's core gameplay.
>No thank you, I would like to play regular chess. You know, the game that I and millions of other people fell in love with years ago.
>>No, trust us. You think you want to play regular chess, but you do not. In fact, we think you will like our new game so much, we went ahead and made sure that no one will ever play a game of old Chess ever again.
>>334296847
>less delicious
atleast be subtle about shilling
>>334297589
I don't get it, are you saying facerig is the source? Facerig is just a program, I'm asking where this webm comes from
>>334297436
It isn't. A better analogy would be:
>Burgertown releases the McHamboigah
>asks that you not make bootleg McHamboigahs
>eventually stops selling McHamboigahs
>Joe Schmoe digs through the dumpsters out back and steals all the discarded meat
>starts giving away bootleg McHamboigahs wrapped in McHamboigah wrappers served on McHamboigah trays in exchange for "donations" to keep his grill running
>>334296847
Kill yourself faggot, dont bother replying just do it.
>>334298080
>>334297843
guys, chess is for nerds okay jeez
>>334298220
Facerig.
>>334297529
>being this salty
>>334298080
WRONG WRONG WRONG
nostalrius would be up to this date and further if:
A) people whould have shut up about it
B) the server owners had enough money to pay the server fees
We serve food here.
So when you post that Nostalrius was running off of serverscabbed hubs that Blizzard has to pay for despite not making anything from it, do Nostalgiafags just ignore you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eR1fc_dXqw
its literally about nost and blizzard
>>334298232
that doesnt really work since the bootleg is of comparable quality. the rest I agree with though.
>>334298220
What the fuck do you want? It's just a little demo of Facerig. What are you expecting here?
>>334297652
>A&W or Five Guys
>Not What-A-Burger, the pinnacle of Burger shops
>>334298302
best post here
>>334298281
>lel xdd salty cuck meij-meij DXXXX
>>>/pol/
>>334297547
No, but if you openly give out the game client (which Blizzard did through their online game client download) that happens to throw enough data to be modified for someone to then splice in their own code to then apply to their own servers, you could feasibly replicate it. If you don't even know how a private server works, it's best not to comment.
>>334297529
>go back to /pol/
>posts a /pol/ meme
You know most of /pol/ are national socialsts or authoritarians, right? Libertarians are constantly made fun of on /pol/
Nostalrius would still be up for all of us if you babies would just learn to be humble and not blast every Blizzard update with "LOL MY SECRET FREE PIRATE CLUB IS BETTER". I was posting this advice on the forums for about a year. I can't feel sorry for it shutting down when it was the fault of all you insecure fucks.
>>334298325
Source?
Guys, nobody is arguing whether Blizzard was in their legal right to shut down Nostalrius. Nobody is saying that at all. All we are saying is that it was a dick move since it was doing a service to WoW fans that Blizzard was not willing to do and they were doing it ****for free****
>>334296847
>>334297543
jesus christ if you're going to keep making dumb food analogies, at least make them right
>Welcome to Burger King! Can I take your order?
>>Yes I'll have an Angry Whopper with fries and a drink.
>Sorry sir we don't serve the Angry Whopper anymore but right now we have the Angriest Whopper. It's billed as being more spicy but actually isn't and lacks a hamburger patty, but you can purchase a plastic look-alike in the store for $15. Also, it's made by a person with Down's who took a shit on it.
>>That's kind of shitty, I don't suppose you can special make an Angry Whopper instead? I'll pay you for it, I really want one.
>No, sir. And by the way, you don't want that, either. You think you do, but you don't.
>>OK, well I guess I'll go to Burger Boy down the street, they'll make me an Angry Whopper if I ask for it.
>I'm calling the police to shut them down.
>>So you refuse to make the product I want and refuse to let anyone else make it, either? I'm never eating here again.
>>334298265
I know it's fucking facerig, I'm asking where the full webm/video/backstory
>>334298582
>trying to bring morality into a business decision
>>334298349
well there's that webm of the guy masturbating, I thought it was something like that
>>334298470
So we're just going to ignore the fact that the several thousand active people playing the game were dodging subscription payments.
The entitled gamers strike once again... Shocking...
>>334298582
>for free
>nost was selling your data and creating gold to sell to chinks to resell on their own server for profit
>food analogy
>>334298385
Brevity is the soul of wit, my friend. If I were to sit down and list every burger joint superior to Burger King in my post, we would have been here all goddamn day.
>>334298826
That can be made to at least tens of thousands, as there are many MANY more private servers running at the moment
>>334298826
Yes they were 'dodging' subscription payments for something that wasn't even available through the main channel through which they would otherwise play the game.
>Food analogy
>Comparing making your own script to barging into the workplace of a company
Probably the same, deluded individual that thinks piracy is akin to literal, physical theft.
>>334298826
How are they dodging subscription payments if they can't even pay to play the version of the game they want?
>>334298871
Proofs?
>>334298972
>10000 guys are raping dogs in this one town
>"lol its fine there's actually 20000 guys raping dogs in the whole world"
Nostalrius was just the most active and obnoxiously vocal about its illegal shit (i.e. circumnavigation to avoid DA that failed).
>>334298470
If you can prove that none of your programmers had any prior knowledge of the code (as in they did 100% of the reverse engineering and coding work themselves) you're legally in the clear. Nobody has the money to stand up to Blizzard though, so everyone gives up and shuts down their server.
>>334299095
>what is copyright law
>what is circumnavigation of the law
>what is an asset flip
>>334296930
>>Fuck you. I'm going to go home and make my own Angry Whopper and guess what? I'm not paying you for it.
>be 12
>Can't afford wow subscription
>find wow server that i don't have to pay for
>brag about it online and tell everyone how it is better than actual wow
>be surprised when Blizzard find out and take legal action
>>334298437
>Acting like a fucking janitor
Your life has no meaning you fucking cunt, you are a disappointment to everyone in your life, you will never amount to anything you sad fucking prick.
>>334299201
It isn't so much an issue of the code, so much as the WoW intellectual property being infringed by a third party (albeit one that supposedly wasn't profiteering from its usage).
>>334299283
>Moving the goal post
>>334298756
morality isn't part of business decisions directly, but it is indirectly because if you sufficiently piss off your customers, they won't return
for instance, let's say i'm blizzard and i sell wow subscriptions for $15/mo. let's say i now decide to hide a clause in the legal contract that you're REQUIRED to purchase a three-year agreement and that if you cancel your subscription before then, there's a $500 early termination fee.
blizzard probably has the right to do this (a lot of phone companies do something similar), but it's not exactly ethical and would probably piss off most of their customers (although blizzard has a bunch of dumb fanboys that think they can do no wrong that would probably still suck their dick even if they did this). so that would factor into the decision they're making from a business perspective. specifically, they'll be asking whether doing this shitty thing will hurt them more than it will help them (aka cost/benefit ratio).
>>334299051
>>Comparing making your own script to barging into the workplace of a company
Wow! So Nost wrote all the scripts for the server themselves? Just expertly coded all that shit to be exactly the same as Blizzard's all on their own? That's pretty impressive, actually.
And they made all the models from scratch to exactly copy Blizzard's, too? And sat down with an art program to perfectly replicate all of Blizzard's textures and other assets by hand? And they went out and recorded all-new sounds that were perfect imitations of all of Blizzard's sound files?
Boy, you know, with that kind of drive for perfection and latent creative talent, it kind of makes you wonder why Nost didn't just make an all-new game instead of investing so much time and effort to hand-craft a perfect copy of something that already exists.
>>334299428
>wasn't profiteering
>donations that can't be officially logged as returned assets to the server upkeep
I'm not saying they pocketed the money, just pointing out this is the logic Blizzard would use to make itself infallible.
>>334299521
Yes, they actually did. They used their own scripts but used blizzards models and worldspace.
>>334299447
>restoring to fallacy sperging because you're mad an illegal scalping operation got shut down
I loved Nost too man, but it's stupid to think Blizzard had no reason to close it.
>>334299574
I added that 'supposedly' in there as I'm not completely clued-in on all of the dealings that went on prior to the server shutting down. I heard rumors that the Chinese gold farmers were paying off the site's staff to cover server costs, among other hearsay.
>>334296847
>Fagget Op making a shitty food analogy
Color me surprised
>lol it's just a food analogy, let's keep being retarded and ignore everything logical
>>334299521
i know you're just stirring up shit at this point but you're still making a false analogy (so was he, to be fair)
attempting to go into a restricted area of a private business is trespassing and they can legally eject you for doing this.
this isn't analogous to what anyone has done other than it's something that's illegal. if you're going to say it's analogous because it's illegal, you may as well say that the nost team was committing murder against blizzard, soliciting prostitution from blizzard, and dealing drugs to blizzard, because hey, those are also things that are illegal.
>>334299645
Lol.
There's a client and a server. Blizzard provided the client while literally thousands of people contributed to writing a server for it. That's all there is to it.
>Welcome to Blizzard HQ how can we help you
>Can you make a vanilla server because I don't like the way things are no
>you don't want to, you think you do but you don't
>fine! then I'll just play on the server that copied the source code for vanilla and pirate the game instead!
>we're shutting them down, since that is against our End User License Agreement and illegal
>FUCK YOU
did I do good with my food analogy?
>>334299521
Yes, they did make their own scripts, and in fact, I remember reading somewhere that the assets of models and the like are fine to use in a non-funded, non-income environment.
Sorry to hear you wasted all that effort being passive-aggressive though.
>>334299736
You're the one that started talking about lost subscriptions and then decided to change topics when I pointed out your illogical faggotry
You're like a german pornstar's mouth.
>>334299283
I don't think anyone is arguing that what they were doing was legal (private servers in general are by and large considered illegal when dealt with on the basis of copyright), but questioning the line of reason that is suggesting retail WoW was ever going to be an option for these people who were actively pursuing a server hosting a very specific version of the game. I could understand if it was a server hosting a dedicated server for the most recent installation of WoW, but it's essentially marketing a reimagining of a game from over a decade ago.
The only time anyone every argues about this is when you're talking about two different things. No one who supported Nos is saying that what they were doing was allowed or anything like that, they're saying that blizzard is a fucking retard for not being able to understand a good opportunity.
>>334299428
The client software is what uses Blizzard IP (art assets and music assets), not the server software. The server software is purely code, and if you (re)create the code completely independently you're perfectly entitled to profit from your work as well.
The problem is that nobody has the money to stand up to Blizzard. Did you actually read the letter that Nostalrius got? They were *going* to be sued. They could have fought it in court, probably successfully if they had good lawyers too. But they don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars, while Blizzard does.
>>334299178
Did i ever say it is fine?
I do like private servers( i don't even play wow anymore) but what players of nostalrius did was extremely stupid
Reminder that neo-/v/ are proud corporate bootlickers and unironic SJWs.
>>334299930
Oh, I was just building upon the points, the lost-sub issue is still valid. Remember, Nost wasn't the first to do this. This same issue occurred with EVE back on scalped servers that ran free of sub cost. When the devs shut it down, something like 20-25% of the users went back on the sub roll. So Blizz has pretty good reason to believe private servers are holding back subs.
>>334300123
Thanks for bringing fucking nothing to this argument
>>334300108
You actually own the client as well if you bought it. At least in majority of EU countries.
>>334299856
they didn't copy the vanilla source code, though. that would be impossible because that's not public and blizzard says it doesn't exist.
what they did is host a server using community-created code and scripts. the people connecting to it are the ones with most of the copyrighted content, like models, etc.
what you do need from the game files if you host a server is stuff like environment meshes and maps that lay out where everything is in the world. that stuff's copyrighted, so having it under terms not allowed by blizzard is a violation of us copyright law, which the us kindly binds its partners into enforcing by way of trade agreements (aka international copyright law)
i haven't seen the legal notice they received, so i can't comment specifically, but i'm guessing those are the grounds blizz shut them down under.
>>334300216
I brought a reminder that almost everyone on the contemporary version of this board is a dopey, catty law-worshiper who thinks that the police should shoot people caught with marijuana on sight. Prove me wrong bitch.
>>334300243
It would make sense. Texture reuse would probably be enough for a solid legal violation.
>>334296847
Better analogy would be the guy coming up with a recipe that mimics the Angry Whopper and then posting it online so everyone can make their own Angry Whoppers. Which, guess what, is completely legal.
>>334300205
That's not the same thing
The eve server was most likely playing an up to date client, while this shit is wayyy older, so old that blizzard no longer supports it.
>>334300243
>blizz shut down down under
They weren't 'shut down'. They got a notice that said (paraphrased): "turn off your server or we'll sue you". They don't have the money to hire lawyers for a court battle like every other two bit private server operator so they complied.
I am so sick of seeing retarded manchildren screaming the same retarded thing over and over again.
What's stopping entitled fucks like OP or the Nost retards from making their own game the way they want it?
>>334300449
>manchildren
Spotted the Redditor.
>>334300430
It wasn't up to date. It was a state of the game before the big "runner update" that basically made combat Excel 2008. The private rollback servers arose out of it. It's not that different.
No one except the people who played it care about "nostralius".
>>334300414
It doesn't matter if something's completely legal. If you're doing something, legal or not, and someone wants you to stop it and they also have much more money than you then you have to stop it and lose by default. "Americans" call this "The Justice System".
>>334296847
Who taught you to make analogies, an astronaut or something?
>>334300406
idk if they even use textures, i think that's all on the game client itself, could be wrong though. i've hosted my own server on lan for friends to play on and all i remember needing is layout information from the game client (maps and meshes). basically, the 3d location of everything in the game and "meshes," which i think are used so mobs know what paths they can take and so the game knows collision information for pcs.
>>334300449
that's like saying "the romans didn't kill jesus, they just led him to the cross and tied/nailed him to it, his body didn't have the strength to hold out indefinitely under the stress so he died." yes, they didn't physically kill him with their own hands, but they precipitated a series of events that they knew would lead to his downfall because he lacked the ability to stop it.
blizz didn't literally shut them down but yes, nost didn't have the resources to fight a legal battle, so that's what they did in effect.
What's with the influx of Blizzard marketers as of late?
>>334300839
The textures were a scalp'n'paste. Remember some dude named pflax streaming with one of the scripters for Nost, and he basically outright said it.
What's with the influx of private server fags lately?
>>334300924
It's not marketers, it's this board's demographic. It's primarily moralfags, SJWs, and cucks now. Why wouldn't it be? Most "gamers" are weak-willed on account of their low social ability and arguing in favor of "Good" or "The Law" online gives them a sense of power and righteousness that they'll never experience in real life thanks to their having no charisma, being physically unattractive, etc.
>>334301034
then he's right and i just forgot that i copied those files from the client
>>334296847
>Blatant blizzshit shilling
kys jew cocksucker
>>334296847
>YOU CAN'T HANDLE OUR ANGRY WHOPPER, IT IS ONLY FOR THE STRONGEST AND YOU ARE NOT OF THE STRONGEST, YOU ARE CLEARLY OF THE WEAKEST!
>>334301062
A private server with more players than modern WoW was shut down.
>>334300694
now i need to go re-read rin's route.
best girl.
analogy doesn't work because you can order literally anything you want anywhere and as long as they have the ingredients they can make it. so if you just want 1000 BK patties, as long as they have them in stock you got em.
If people played modern WoW again like they used to, maybe then they'd be inspired to try harder. Problem is that MMO's are dead and unless they can make massive dosh again like during the height of WoW they don't care to make the game better.
Every game is trying to be GTA V now in terms of money made.
>>334301381
I doubt any private server had over 3 million people
>>334301145
if nost guys purchased the game then it is irrelevant. You can do whatever you want with the client.
>>334301509
that's not true, the game is protected by us copyright law. additionally, the first thing you get when you open it is 2-3 EULAs you have to agree to before you can even play the game.
>>334301470
if you don't count chinks, bots and afk garrison zombies, neither does retail wow.
>>334298672
this
>>334299302
You're really pushing this shitty analogy, aren't you? Dude didn't even say something relevant to your point
>>334301470
>believing their numbers
I bet you think the US election isn't just a puppet show as well, and that the world isn't run by the Bildeberg Group, Trilateral Commission and Council on Foreign Relations.
>>334300694
And a lot of people played nostalrius you worthless anime-posting faggot
>>334301616
Irrelevant.
You can purchase the game and never accept the ToS/EULA.
>>334298287
WRONG WRONG WRONG
They were doing fine with server fees. Only the lawsuit threats from Cucktivision-Blizzard shut them down.
>>334298325
[citation needed]
>>334301779
that's true, but then the game files are still protected by us copyright law (including the DMCA) in the us and most allied countries.
>>334301631
apart from garrison zombies if you didn't count chinks and bots Nost had maybe 20k people if I'm being generous
>>334298385
>What-A-Burger
>Not Big Cahoona Burger, the pinnacle of Burger shop pinnacles
>>334301964
that is a good burger
>>334302093
welcome to GoodBurger, home of the Good Burger
>>334301885
Then blizzard would have to go after nost players that did not purchase the game rather then the server owners.
A wow emulator communicates with the client but it does not distribute any copyrighted material. It's all numbers and a db similar to that of wowhead. The connection is also encrypted iirc.
>>334298756
Not morality, per se. More of a long-term cost-benefit problem.
These kinds of short-sighted kneejerk reactions are running rampant in the big corporations right now.
![34269b481e[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UaOEFzR.jpg "34269b481e[1].jpg")
>>334296847
>>334302093
>>334301964
you know what they call a quarter pounder in france?
>>334302242
Royale with cheese, also known in America as Bagina
>>334302168
like i said before, the textures, meshes, and environment maps are all hosted on the server, taken from the game client (the instructions for setting up mangos for instance require copying a bunch of files over from the game client). those things are hosted in violation of us copyright law, specifically in violation of certain sections of the dmca.
>>334302242
they don't call it a quarter pounder with cheese?
This thread makes me want to go to McDonalds and get a McGangbang.
>>334302242
I'm gonna take a shit.
>>334300694
What's your point?
>>334301071
People on /v/ have never had any charisma or been sexually atractive, but there used to be a sort of pride in being somewhat independent, this right here looks like fucking Gaia. /v/ has got to be one of the boards that has fallen further down the shitter; at least /a/ is still unwelcoming to retards.
>>334301906
nah it was more than that. even before the chink invasion there were 7k people on 24/7.
apart from that they had no marketing whatsoever and huge problems with the server. I remember when there were massive lag, disco's and rollbacks all day erryday.
and the overpopulation...oh gawd it was so bad. I legit quit nost because it was so disgustingly overcrowded.
despite all that shit it kept growing while retail is bleeding players
>>334302428
Wrong. That data is processed entirely server side. It has nothing to do with textures or graphics.
>>334302651
retail's bleeding players because Legion isn't here yet
I'm gonna play when Legion's here but I've already cleared Mythic HFC so there's not much reason for me to do anything for now
>>334301470
http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?serverid=-1&factionid=-1&minlevel=100&maxlevel=100&servertypeid=-1
Wow less than a million characters on a game that is an altfest so its probably less than 90k.
Face it retail wow is shit and anyone who defends it is a payed blizzard shill.
>>334301616
Except you're not purchasing the game. You're purchasing a license to play the game. You have no legal protection as a property holder.
>>334302690
it is processed server-side but it's still in violation of the dmca. specifically, i believe it is in violation of the anti-circumvention provisions. an easy way to find out would be to host a private server and send blizzard's legal team a link to it, pretty sure they'd be happy to educate you lol.
>>334302849
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR20QH5UHoM
>>334300496
They don't want to play another game. They want to play Warcraft.
They just don't want to pay for it.
>>334302854
businesses have tried to make that argument in the past but that's really only true in very, very narrowly defined situations.
however, the game files are still protected by us copyright law (including the dmca), meaning you can't just use them for whatever purpose you want.
>>334302927
it has nothing to do with payment, at least not for me. i'd gladly pay an additional fee to play on a reboot realm. i never got to experience the aq event, karazhan while it was live, sunwell, the wrath prepatch event, ulduar while it was live, wrathgate, and a whole bunch of other stuff i'd love to get to play.
>>334302814
>I'm gonna play when Legion's here
Dude, no.
That's all they sell nowadays is the expansion. They make no content once it's out, they've increase the price of expansions, they're coming out of them faster than ever. Their entire business strategy now is around people playing for a month after the new expansion.
>>334302849
Maybe when you learn to spell you'll also learn that that "census" isn't accurate because it's from an add-on that relies on being run, and it only tracks whoever's online when people run it because it finds people through /who
You tried.
>>334300243
The fact that you can reverse engineer the code to run an MMO server using none of the original source code is just fucking amazing. Why does no one talk about this?
>>334302927
i hate this bullshit excuse. All of the people that played vanilla and tbc were teenagers with no disposable income. Now that they're all grown up and have disposable income, they apparently can't pay for it. Makes logical sense.
>>334303113
it is amazing, but it's also something that's done a lot and as a former software dev myself, i know about how you do it. it's just very time-consuming.
in wow's case, it's significantly easier because we have access to the game client and we have a ton of documentation about the world itself. and back when the original core stuff was developed, we had access to the network interactions between the wow client and the wow server. i don't know if that's still the case, though, and the documentation on the old world has gotten a lot worse in recent years.
>>334302927
But sadly the only product being sold by Blizzard as of now is a shitfest known as WoD, which the legendaries galore mound of crap that's Legion won't fix. They shat on lore and any social, teamwork-heavy feature of the game, the things that made the game fun. WoW has been dead for years.
>4chan and reddit are both cocksucking corporate and saying what blizzard did is a good thing
gaming communities truly are shit
>>334303393
If they "shat on lore" there'd be Demon Hunters that aren't Elves
>>334303449
>implying r/Nostalrius isn't outright pathetic with how they think they're going to "change" anything by going to BlizzCon and wearing Nost shirts
>>334303462
not necessarily
they can fuck up the lore in some ways without fucking it up in every way
generally the biggest way they fuck it up by inventing new stuff that's just dumb. that doesn't require invalidating internal consistency.
Anybody who plays retail is not only a cuckold, but a complete faggot as well. You have to be a braindead degenerate to still be playing that.
Legacy servers or bust, Blizzard suck my nuts.
>people will defend blizzard releasing legacy servers after this
>>334296847
more like
>I want an angry whopper
>>we don't have those anymore, but here have a shitburger
>no I don't want a shitburger, I want an angry whopper
>>you think you do, but you don't, here have a shitburger
>nevermind, those guys across the street figured out how to make angry whoppers, and they are giving them out for free
>>WHAT THIEVE, SHUT IT DOWN
>oh great, what now? but at least you guys know now, that some people still want the angry whopper, so will you make them now?
>>no, here eat a shit burger
>FUCK YOU
Anybody who demands legacy servers and insults people who still play the real thing are Omega-level cucks
>>334303642
>THIEVE
*Thief
Nice.
Epic.
I like it.
>Can I have a vanilla server?
>Fuck you, take our big chocolate server you cuck
NEVER.
>food analogy
>thread is still up after an hour and a half
4
>>334296847
>no "you think you want the angry whopper, but you don't"
You suck at this, OP.
>>334303393
I agree that current WoW is shit, but that doesn't make a private server any less illegal.
I mean, my first car was a fucking Yugo. The Focus I have now is pretty shitty, but if I decide I don't want to make insurance payments on it any more that doesn't justify me going out and stealing a fucking Yugo from the automotive museum and I'm certainly justified to be pissy when I get arrested for it.
>>334296847
If you asked them to make it less spicy they'd do that so your point is invalid
>>334297358
>fuccboi
back to /tumblr/ cuck
I refuse to support any company that is not transparent and honest. I'm looking at Blizzard, 343, DICE, the list goes on. We have the internet, there is no reason that devs can't be honest about their mistakes, it's why I loved devs like BUNGiE (past tense) and Epic.
You can pretend all you want that it isn't true, but people are more forgiving when you tell the truth and you admit that you have done wrong.
>>334303462
Or they would've made every single of my characters the commander of the whole faction and wielder of the super special snowflake weapon of your class.
I've spent more time playing wow than any other game in my life, I wasted two years of my life having fun with guildies and pugs alike, climbing the arena ladder, failing to kill the big baddie and trying over and over, building friendships and rivalries. Now there's not even a server in which to interact, 90% of non-heroic content is accessed through menus. There's no interaction and no sense of accomplishment possible when everything is handed to you.
Some of the shortcomings have been alleviated, like questing and so on, but those weren't game defining flaws. The things they got rid of, however, were game defining perks. WoW is now a soulless husk, can't blame people for playing older versions of the game, however available.
For the record I didn't play nost, but I couldn't stomach WoD for long. Wonder why I bought into that pile of crap once more. Not in Legion.
>>334302863
No. You purchased the game and a 30-day subscription. May not apply to clapistan though.
>>334302863
I think you're confusing various terms now.
I'm not sure you can actually copyright what is being sent between the server and the client. It's not human readable data.
>>334304256
>implying people aren't just going to transmog over the artifacts
>>334298794
There were threads and threads and threads of people uploading webms their own facerig clips when the game came out. There is no source because they were all anonymous
>>334304092
>I refuse to support any company that is not transparent and honest
Have fun never buying anything ever again.
t. marketingfag
>>334304348
you probably can, but that's not what i'm saying is copyrighted
the world environment itself is copyrighted, e.g. the way things are laid out and such. private servers require those things from the game client in order to work.
>>334296847
>food analogies
>people like smaller doses of spice
>forced to eat the spiciest thing available because "we don't have that anymore"
>not just going home and making a semi-spicy burger themselves using the same materials BK did
This is why using food to further your point is stupid. Someone else is going to turn my own rendition on its head, but that's literally what fucking food analogies do.
>>334304532
>Have fun never buying anything ever again.
Actually I will
;)
>>334304532
>not knowing that pirating exists
>>334304789
Enjoy pirating your food based retard
I don't really give a shit that they shut Nostalrius down, I could see it coming from a mile away.
I just want them to reach out to their community and acknowledge there are people out there who exist and want to play on legacy servers, a lot of them. They won't even do that, they legitimately think they are retarded and don't actually enjoy playing old expansions. They think they do, but they don't. It's a pretty fucking arrogant and insulting thing to assume you know what your customers want even though you have been shown otherwise and continue to insist that you know.
A lot of people who didn't even play Nostalrius are quitting WoW because they're just tired of Blizzard's shit and them treating their customers like shit.
>>334296847
>it's another burgerblizzardcuckshill food analogy thread
>>334296847
>I have an idea for an analogy which will blow /v/ out of the water
>oh wait, it's actually shit
>I'll just post it anyway and try to make /v/ mad
xB
>>334304909
And yet nobody gives a shit because WoW isn't their only game.
>>334304890
what? who said not to buy food lol
>play wow for the first time in years
>remember having fun with it
>try it again
>realize how dated and boring it is
>stop playing
>mfw
>>334302849
What is it about Lich King that it just stagnated?
Was because Arthas is endgame?
"We're gonna build another wall, and we're gonna make the Forsaken pay for it."
>There are people not voting for Genn this election
>>334296847
more spicey
>>334305973
>There are people pissed off that Acheendoon is a circle when we've literally seen what it was shaped like since TBC
fucking morons
>>334305546
It didn't stagnate, its the point where just as many people were quitting as they were coming in.
The last bump is people returning to kill Arthas.
Looking for Dungeon was the last "fuck this game" implementation that caused more people to quit then blizzard could get new players to play.
>>334303624
Whats wrong with them releasing their OWN server of their OWN game
>>334305546
>Was because Arthas is endgame?
yes, all i cared was wc3
they fucked up killing arthas
>>334297843
A decent analogy? On /v/? What???
>Go to Subway
>Order a BLT to the Sandwich Artist
>"This is pretty good! I mean, needs a bit of SALT but it's real good!"
>Word of mouth turns the place crowded
>Every day the Sandwich Artists improve BLT
>They keep modifying according to what they think it's best for the majority of customers they have
>Half of the initial customers eventually got tired of BLT and started going to KFC instead
>Some of the remaining initial customers miss the og BLT
>A bunch of the new customers are curious about how good og BLT really was
>Dissatisfied costumers gather around
>They end up renting a cheap place up the street and started replicating og BLT to the best of their knowledge and resources
>Nostalway is born, composed by loving Sandwich Amateurs
>Their BLT are kinda half-assed and not really the same, but seems good enough for most
>They start distributing og BLT for free, but ask for donations to cover expenses
>This attracts many of the dissatisfied costumers, as well as shitload of starving hobos in the city
>Place ends up packed
>Subway got a load of it and request the place to shut down, since they're still making BLT
>Nostalway ask why don't they start making og BLT to get everyone back instead
>Subway refuses since they know how if that was to happen, they will eventually start receiving the same complains the og BLT had
>They also know most of these costumers can't afford, or want to actually pay for a BLT, og or not
>Nostalway closes down, their butthurt: Eternal
Better?
>>334306709
>Their own game
They might own the game now, but the true developers left years ago.
WoW is and always was shit.
>>334307665
I disagree
>>334307665
WoW was shit until Wrath.
>>334307731
Stop lying to yourself anon...
>>334307858
You think he does but he doesn't think you do but you are and you don't.
>>334296847
>meet OPs mom
>she's decently attractive but works as a prostitute
>whatever she needs money to feed her children, i am ok paying her in exchange for sex
>years go by and she is no longer that attractive, its at this point she should lower her rates (especially since i am a long time client of hers) but she cant because her neet son OP is becoming an increasingly heavy financial strain and most of her clients have found hotter, younger alternatives
>at this point i meet her daughter, OPs sister, who is much younger and sexier and looks like a younger version of her mom, making me nostalgic and quite horny
>turns out she is into me and will fuck me for free, so I stop going to her mom for sex (because lets face it, its her own fault shes still supporting her son's lazy fat ass and it is ruining her)
>OPs mom finds out I'm fucking her daughter and forces her to stop seeing me or she will be written out of the family and her will
>she tells me I just think I want her daughter but I actually don't
>now I just want to try and forget the painful memories of the good times I had with OPs sister but he keeps bringing it up by posting retarded food analogies on /v/ like the obese autist he is
>>334299372
says the cuckposter
All arguments are meaningless regardless of the analogy you make. The law is the ultimate force. They were in their legal right.
>>334308080
Bretty gud. Only you should have mentioned the rates going up in reference to WoW's expansions getting more expensive despite being worse.
>>334308309
What they did was completely legal, however if people disagree with their decision before Legion comes out the negative press might convince them not to buy it.
Why are people supporting Blizzard?
People are playing a profit for free that Blizzard didn't want to sell them.
It'd be different if Blizzard was offering legacy servers, but it's literally something that they aren't allowing you to buy. It's not a loss of a sale because they weren't letting me buy it from them
>welcome to McDonald's
>one cheeseburger please
>sorry we only have triple cheese burgers
>ok no worries I'll go down the road where they're giving cheeseburgers away for free
>but if you get a cheeseburger down the road that means I've lost profits here
>how so? I want a cheeseburger and you don't have them
>because you really want a triple cheeseburger
>no i don't
>w...well I'm calling the cops anyway
>>334309018
There are so many shit MMOs out there. But no, /v/irgins want an outdated version of a shit MMO.
Go figure.
>>334309018
more like
>welcome to McDonald's
>one cheeseburger please
>sorry we only have triple cheese burgers
>that's fine, I'll go in your kitchen and make myself one cheeseburger
>but you can't do that, those are our ingredients, you need to pay for them
>you won't sell me a cheeseburger, so fuck off I'll do as I want
>>334309508
Anon, you're missing the point. It has nothing to do with whether or not Vanilla WoW was a good game or not. Personally, the only MMO I've ever liked was City Of Heroes (RIP IN PEACE) but that's irrelevant. Blizzard is claiming piracy and lost sales on a product they refused to offer to people. It's an injustice and the fact that they are just allowed to do that is a flaw in our legal system
>>334309689
But why is it going into their kitchen? No one was using Blizzard's servers.
>>334309508
It's a less shitty version of an MMO that used to not be facebook.
That being said, Vanilla was dull but I liked the various things I could do with/to other people in it.
I remember being horde and sapping the defias traitor when he was in the center of the fuckfest town. I saw all sorts of red text coming from the alliance players in westfall.
>>334309716
You can't use someone's IP without their permission anon...
Well, you can. But it's piracy. Anyway, there are at least a couple hundreds of 'private' severs running with old versions of WoW out there, I don't know what makes this one so special.
>>334310069
It's not piracy because it isn't loss of a sale.
And it's about principle. Sure, there are other servers. But if we let them take this one down without any kind of backlash they'll just do the same to others
>>334296847
For that stunning analogy, you should push yourself into a woodchipper.
>>334297687
They've become the Starbucks of games. They know they can act however they want and never ever turn out anything besides more WOW and make unreal profit.
>>334305546
it was riding bc's hype and didn't have much to offer during the mean time unlike tbc.
>Own original Metroid
>Play it when ever I want
>Own original FFVII
>Play it when ever I want
>Own original WoW
>NU UH YOU CAN'T PLAY THAT
>>334300243
>what you do need from the game files if you host a server is stuff like environment meshes and maps that lay out where everything is in the world. that stuff's copyrighted, so having it under terms not allowed by blizzard is a violation of us copyright law, which the us kindly binds its partners into enforcing by way of trade agreements (aka international copyright law)
Does this really count if you are using copyrighted material but not distributing it?
Same for players for copies of the game installed on their machine.
>>334310241
You know very well they can't anon. Better companies have tried stopping piracy, they all failed.
There are hundreds if not thousands of old version servers out there, just let this one go and pick another.
>>334310515
It's all been building to this man.
For some reason, the video game industry is the only one where this kind of shit happens. As soon as always online DRM started popping up it was only a matter of time.
>I bought simcity, I want to play it
>Oops, servers are fucked, guess I can't
>like dark souls 1
>hate dark souls 2
>pop in dark souls 1 and still have fun while ignoring the new garbage that is dark souls 2
>like WoW
>hate WoD
>not allowed to pop in WoW as I knew it as it has been subsequently replaced by a overall worse product that I don't wish to play much less pay for.
Yeah nah, legacy servers should be in any MMO. A server for each expansion.
>>334310515
>>334310684
A hyperbolic analogy, but nonetheless accurate
If I killed someone, that doesn't mean it's okay because there's billions of other people out there
>>334309689
except no one is going into blizzard's kitchen
it would be more like if some other restaurant used their recipe after they published it online
>>334310925
Yeah, but you still can't legally have a third party using intellectual property without the creators permission.
Sorry anon.
>>334297843
I read it as cheese
>>334311319
Yes you can, as long as you're not profiting off of it, which nostalrius wasn't
It's the same reason people can host images that don't belong to them as long as they don't host ads on the same page
I miss Angry Whopper.
>>334311663
Anon... are you saying this Nostalrius sever didn't had a 'donation' system?
>>334311941
Donations are different than paying for a product
A mandatory donation would be different, that's why what the Trailer Park Boys do is illegal
>>334311941
The 'Donation' button was hidden and was used only to pay for server running costs, not for anything else. Didn't benefit any players whatsoever.
/v/ - Fuck, I'm Hungry
>>334312259
>>334312297
>Not paying the mandatory Blizzard's shekels
I rest my case.
Sorry your sever got kill anon.
>>334297843
jesus christ entitled faggots are out in mass today
They played on an illegal server, they played with blizzards content
anyone dumb enough to donate money to host the server deserves to go first on the day of the rope
the only reason that server had anyone at all isnt because it was golden era vanilla wow, it was because it was FREE
if that server charged 5$ a person do you thing it would still have the numbers it supposedly did?
>>334311941
They ran a non-profit operation. Nostalrius was even operating at a loss.
In order for them (the hosts) to profit, they would have to be making and pocketing money. What you're thinking of is considered mere revenue.
>>334312684
What?
Explain what you mean by that
Allowing someone to donate=/= charging for something
>>334312684
>presuming you're correct
Dumb. If it were mandatory Blizzard would be selling vanilla.
>>334312697
>>334312865
>>334313042
*sigh*
okay anon, whatever...
>>334313178
>*sigh*
>Fuck you. I'm going to go home and craft my own version of the Angry Whopper using knowledge of past Angry Whoppers and I'm going to give them away free to anyone who wants them!
>I'm calling the police
>>334312696
no because its still a private server but if there were official servers you bet your ass there were more people on it then on nost.
also blizzard had nothing to lose by leaving that server running.
>entitled
>>334313230
this thread is just 3dense5me
>>334308080
>she tells me I just think I want her daughter but I actually don't
lol'd
>>334313573
If you're dumb enough to *sigh*, elipses and spew stale memes you deserve to go back to shilling at the blizzard forums where the crusty circlejerk will shower you with stale yellow cum while they afk in their garrisons.
Fucking food analogies man
>DnD 5th edition is out now
>I like 3.5 better, I'm sticking to that
>Okay, have fun
>Warhammer 7th edition is out
>I like 6th better, I'm sticking to that
>Okay, have fun
>Warlords of Draenor is out
>I prefer vanilla, I'm sticking to that
>NO YOU CAN'T I WON'T ALLOW IT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I never played vanilla WoW, I only played VERY briefly in MoP and even now my highest level character is a level 75 worgen warrior (not counting the character boost I got with WoD) so I don't exactly have the rose tinted goggles for vanilla. But for fuck sakes Blizz, listen to your fanbase, no wonder people abandon you when you refuse to listen to your customers and give them the literal opposite of what they want.
>order a veggie angry whopper
>cooool this gon be good
>burn isn't red
>oh
>I ordered angry
>not angriest
Fuck
>>334313806
>comparing tabletop games to MMOs
you dumb fucks are never going to make an analogy that makes any sense in Nost's favor
>>334296847
I thought we had surpassed food analogies a long time ago /v/
>/v/ being shit at analogies
>like always
