>Welcome to Burger King! Can I take your order?
>>Yes I'll have an Angry Whopper with fries and a drink.
>Sorry sir we don't serve the Angry Whopper anymore but right now we have the Angriest Whopper. It's even more spicy.
>>No it has too much spice. I want it to be less spicy and less delicious.
>Sir you would probably like the new Angriest Whopper better.
>>Fuck you. I'm going to force myself into your kitchen and make my own Angry Whopper and guess what? I'm not paying for it.
>I'm calling the police.
>>YOU CAN'T DO THIS! THIS IS WHAT I WANT! I WANT AN ANGRY WHOPPER! GIVE IT TO ME!
This is you, /v/.
>>334296847
angry whoppers were pretty good. vanilla wow was shit
>>334296847
>food analogy
>>334296847
no more food analogies
>>334296847
When did I become a nostalriuscuck?
>>334296847
>wowcucks using food analogies
>again
>>334296847
itd be more
>fuck you im going to my own kitchen to make an angry whopper
>we're calling the police
>>334296847
How do you get so fat that food is literally the only thing you can compare things to?
This shit again?
Is the industry so fucked up that even /v/ threads are just rehashes and remasters of the same thing?
>>334297193
by having a sedentary life style that catches up to you once you become an adult (anime, video games, porn, etc.)
>>334297146
>cuck
back to /pol/ fuccboi
>>334296847
Maybe you should stop OP and rethink this analogy.
>I'm going to use your the recipe you offered out as part of a purchase 13 years ago and create my own Angry Whopper, then give it out for free!
>release the McHamboigah
>stop selling said burger
>rival fastfood joint sells a burger very similar to the McHamboigah because there is an obvious demand for it
copyright laws have always been a mess but this is probably a better analogy.
>>334297358
>defending cuckoldry
>>334297193
source
>>334297439
>not going back to /pol/
>>334297181
So you're physically hosting the WoW server in your living room too? Fuckin' idiot.
>>334297370
>offered out
So if I take Bloodborne, steal the source code, then mass produce the game and give it out for free, I'm okay?
If only our world economy functioned in your flawless 12 year old logic, then we would all have free stuff forever!
>>334297525
>that guy that asks for source when the source is right there in the webm in clearly visible writing
>It's another '/V/ makes another shitty food analogy' thread
>>334296847
The irony of this situation is that while the Angriest Whopper isn't very spicy, the Angry Whopper wasn't very good either and if the customer weren't a fucking retard he'd go to a burger joint that's actually worth eating at like A&W or Five Guys.
>>334297547
Fuck off goobergater
>>334296847
Blizzard was in their complete right to shut down Nostalrius. No discussion there. It's the fact that they absolutely refuse to run a vanilla server themselves and spouting shit like "you don't know what you want" that's pissing everyone off.
everyone knows playing wow or a private server is literally only for people who smell their own farts
>>334296847
Man blizzard shills are in full effect today huh?
>I like chess, chess is fun!
>we are now updating chess to make it more like checkers, more people will find it more accessible and fun!
>but I liked the way chess felt. It's an overall harder game but it felt much more rewarding in the end
>y-you think y-you w-w-want chess b-but you want ch-checkers!
>>334297843
That's more accurate
+
it's not a shitty food analogy
>>334297759
i can only hear
Baa Baa i'm a sheep Baaa
>>334296847
>Hello, I would like to play a game of Chess, please.
>>I'm sorry, but Chess no longer exists. It is now known as Ultra Chess. It is similar to Chess, but we changed some of it's core gameplay.
>No thank you, I would like to play regular chess. You know, the game that I and millions of other people fell in love with years ago.
>>No, trust us. You think you want to play regular chess, but you do not. In fact, we think you will like our new game so much, we went ahead and made sure that no one will ever play a game of old Chess ever again.
>>334296847
>less delicious
atleast be subtle about shilling
>>334297589
I don't get it, are you saying facerig is the source? Facerig is just a program, I'm asking where this webm comes from
>>334297436
It isn't. A better analogy would be:
>Burgertown releases the McHamboigah
>asks that you not make bootleg McHamboigahs
>eventually stops selling McHamboigahs
>Joe Schmoe digs through the dumpsters out back and steals all the discarded meat
>starts giving away bootleg McHamboigahs wrapped in McHamboigah wrappers served on McHamboigah trays in exchange for "donations" to keep his grill running
>>334296847
Kill yourself faggot, dont bother replying just do it.
>>334298080
>>334297843
guys, chess is for nerds okay jeez
>>334298220
Facerig.
>>334297529
>being this salty
>>334298080
WRONG WRONG WRONG
nostalrius would be up to this date and further if:
A) people whould have shut up about it
B) the server owners had enough money to pay the server fees
We serve food here.
So when you post that Nostalrius was running off of serverscabbed hubs that Blizzard has to pay for despite not making anything from it, do Nostalgiafags just ignore you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eR1fc_dXqw
its literally about nost and blizzard
>>334298232
that doesnt really work since the bootleg is of comparable quality. the rest I agree with though.
>>334298220
What the fuck do you want? It's just a little demo of Facerig. What are you expecting here?
>>334297652
>A&W or Five Guys
>Not What-A-Burger, the pinnacle of Burger shops
>>334298302
best post here
>>334298281
>lel xdd salty cuck meij-meij DXXXX
>>>/pol/
>>334297547
No, but if you openly give out the game client (which Blizzard did through their online game client download) that happens to throw enough data to be modified for someone to then splice in their own code to then apply to their own servers, you could feasibly replicate it. If you don't even know how a private server works, it's best not to comment.
>>334297529
>go back to /pol/
>posts a /pol/ meme
You know most of /pol/ are national socialsts or authoritarians, right? Libertarians are constantly made fun of on /pol/
Nostalrius would still be up for all of us if you babies would just learn to be humble and not blast every Blizzard update with "LOL MY SECRET FREE PIRATE CLUB IS BETTER". I was posting this advice on the forums for about a year. I can't feel sorry for it shutting down when it was the fault of all you insecure fucks.
>>334298325
Source?
Guys, nobody is arguing whether Blizzard was in their legal right to shut down Nostalrius. Nobody is saying that at all. All we are saying is that it was a dick move since it was doing a service to WoW fans that Blizzard was not willing to do and they were doing it ****for free****
>>334296847
>>334297543
jesus christ if you're going to keep making dumb food analogies, at least make them right
>Welcome to Burger King! Can I take your order?
>>Yes I'll have an Angry Whopper with fries and a drink.
>Sorry sir we don't serve the Angry Whopper anymore but right now we have the Angriest Whopper. It's billed as being more spicy but actually isn't and lacks a hamburger patty, but you can purchase a plastic look-alike in the store for $15. Also, it's made by a person with Down's who took a shit on it.
>>That's kind of shitty, I don't suppose you can special make an Angry Whopper instead? I'll pay you for it, I really want one.
>No, sir. And by the way, you don't want that, either. You think you do, but you don't.
>>OK, well I guess I'll go to Burger Boy down the street, they'll make me an Angry Whopper if I ask for it.
>I'm calling the police to shut them down.
>>So you refuse to make the product I want and refuse to let anyone else make it, either? I'm never eating here again.
>>334298265
I know it's fucking facerig, I'm asking where the full webm/video/backstory
>>334298582
>trying to bring morality into a business decision
>>334298349
well there's that webm of the guy masturbating, I thought it was something like that
>>334298470
So we're just going to ignore the fact that the several thousand active people playing the game were dodging subscription payments.
The entitled gamers strike once again... Shocking...
>>334298582
>for free
>nost was selling your data and creating gold to sell to chinks to resell on their own server for profit
>food analogy
>>334298385
Brevity is the soul of wit, my friend. If I were to sit down and list every burger joint superior to Burger King in my post, we would have been here all goddamn day.
>>334298826
That can be made to at least tens of thousands, as there are many MANY more private servers running at the moment
>>334298826
Yes they were 'dodging' subscription payments for something that wasn't even available through the main channel through which they would otherwise play the game.
>Food analogy
>Comparing making your own script to barging into the workplace of a company
Probably the same, deluded individual that thinks piracy is akin to literal, physical theft.
>>334298826
How are they dodging subscription payments if they can't even pay to play the version of the game they want?
>>334298871
Proofs?
>>334298972
>10000 guys are raping dogs in this one town
>"lol its fine there's actually 20000 guys raping dogs in the whole world"
Nostalrius was just the most active and obnoxiously vocal about its illegal shit (i.e. circumnavigation to avoid DA that failed).
>>334298470
If you can prove that none of your programmers had any prior knowledge of the code (as in they did 100% of the reverse engineering and coding work themselves) you're legally in the clear. Nobody has the money to stand up to Blizzard though, so everyone gives up and shuts down their server.
>>334299095
>what is copyright law
>what is circumnavigation of the law
>what is an asset flip
>>334296930
>>Fuck you. I'm going to go home and make my own Angry Whopper and guess what? I'm not paying you for it.
>be 12
>Can't afford wow subscription
>find wow server that i don't have to pay for
>brag about it online and tell everyone how it is better than actual wow
>be surprised when Blizzard find out and take legal action
>>334298437
>Acting like a fucking janitor
Your life has no meaning you fucking cunt, you are a disappointment to everyone in your life, you will never amount to anything you sad fucking prick.
>>334299201
It isn't so much an issue of the code, so much as the WoW intellectual property being infringed by a third party (albeit one that supposedly wasn't profiteering from its usage).
>>334299283
>Moving the goal post
>>334298756
morality isn't part of business decisions directly, but it is indirectly because if you sufficiently piss off your customers, they won't return
for instance, let's say i'm blizzard and i sell wow subscriptions for $15/mo. let's say i now decide to hide a clause in the legal contract that you're REQUIRED to purchase a three-year agreement and that if you cancel your subscription before then, there's a $500 early termination fee.
blizzard probably has the right to do this (a lot of phone companies do something similar), but it's not exactly ethical and would probably piss off most of their customers (although blizzard has a bunch of dumb fanboys that think they can do no wrong that would probably still suck their dick even if they did this). so that would factor into the decision they're making from a business perspective. specifically, they'll be asking whether doing this shitty thing will hurt them more than it will help them (aka cost/benefit ratio).
>>334299051
>>Comparing making your own script to barging into the workplace of a company
Wow! So Nost wrote all the scripts for the server themselves? Just expertly coded all that shit to be exactly the same as Blizzard's all on their own? That's pretty impressive, actually.
And they made all the models from scratch to exactly copy Blizzard's, too? And sat down with an art program to perfectly replicate all of Blizzard's textures and other assets by hand? And they went out and recorded all-new sounds that were perfect imitations of all of Blizzard's sound files?
Boy, you know, with that kind of drive for perfection and latent creative talent, it kind of makes you wonder why Nost didn't just make an all-new game instead of investing so much time and effort to hand-craft a perfect copy of something that already exists.
>>334299428
>wasn't profiteering
>donations that can't be officially logged as returned assets to the server upkeep
I'm not saying they pocketed the money, just pointing out this is the logic Blizzard would use to make itself infallible.
>>334299521
Yes, they actually did. They used their own scripts but used blizzards models and worldspace.
>>334299447
>restoring to fallacy sperging because you're mad an illegal scalping operation got shut down
I loved Nost too man, but it's stupid to think Blizzard had no reason to close it.
>>334299574
I added that 'supposedly' in there as I'm not completely clued-in on all of the dealings that went on prior to the server shutting down. I heard rumors that the Chinese gold farmers were paying off the site's staff to cover server costs, among other hearsay.
>>334296847
>Fagget Op making a shitty food analogy
Color me surprised
>lol it's just a food analogy, let's keep being retarded and ignore everything logical
>>334299521
i know you're just stirring up shit at this point but you're still making a false analogy (so was he, to be fair)
attempting to go into a restricted area of a private business is trespassing and they can legally eject you for doing this.
this isn't analogous to what anyone has done other than it's something that's illegal. if you're going to say it's analogous because it's illegal, you may as well say that the nost team was committing murder against blizzard, soliciting prostitution from blizzard, and dealing drugs to blizzard, because hey, those are also things that are illegal.
>>334299645
Lol.
There's a client and a server. Blizzard provided the client while literally thousands of people contributed to writing a server for it. That's all there is to it.
>Welcome to Blizzard HQ how can we help you
>Can you make a vanilla server because I don't like the way things are no
>you don't want to, you think you do but you don't
>fine! then I'll just play on the server that copied the source code for vanilla and pirate the game instead!
>we're shutting them down, since that is against our End User License Agreement and illegal
>FUCK YOU
did I do good with my food analogy?
>>334299521
Yes, they did make their own scripts, and in fact, I remember reading somewhere that the assets of models and the like are fine to use in a non-funded, non-income environment.
Sorry to hear you wasted all that effort being passive-aggressive though.
>>334299736
You're the one that started talking about lost subscriptions and then decided to change topics when I pointed out your illogical faggotry
You're like a german pornstar's mouth.
>>334299283
I don't think anyone is arguing that what they were doing was legal (private servers in general are by and large considered illegal when dealt with on the basis of copyright), but questioning the line of reason that is suggesting retail WoW was ever going to be an option for these people who were actively pursuing a server hosting a very specific version of the game. I could understand if it was a server hosting a dedicated server for the most recent installation of WoW, but it's essentially marketing a reimagining of a game from over a decade ago.
The only time anyone every argues about this is when you're talking about two different things. No one who supported Nos is saying that what they were doing was allowed or anything like that, they're saying that blizzard is a fucking retard for not being able to understand a good opportunity.
>>334299428
The client software is what uses Blizzard IP (art assets and music assets), not the server software. The server software is purely code, and if you (re)create the code completely independently you're perfectly entitled to profit from your work as well.
The problem is that nobody has the money to stand up to Blizzard. Did you actually read the letter that Nostalrius got? They were *going* to be sued. They could have fought it in court, probably successfully if they had good lawyers too. But they don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars, while Blizzard does.
>>334299178
Did i ever say it is fine?
I do like private servers( i don't even play wow anymore) but what players of nostalrius did was extremely stupid
Reminder that neo-/v/ are proud corporate bootlickers and unironic SJWs.
>>334299930
Oh, I was just building upon the points, the lost-sub issue is still valid. Remember, Nost wasn't the first to do this. This same issue occurred with EVE back on scalped servers that ran free of sub cost. When the devs shut it down, something like 20-25% of the users went back on the sub roll. So Blizz has pretty good reason to believe private servers are holding back subs.
>>334300123
Thanks for bringing fucking nothing to this argument
>>334300108
You actually own the client as well if you bought it. At least in majority of EU countries.
>>334299856
they didn't copy the vanilla source code, though. that would be impossible because that's not public and blizzard says it doesn't exist.
what they did is host a server using community-created code and scripts. the people connecting to it are the ones with most of the copyrighted content, like models, etc.
what you do need from the game files if you host a server is stuff like environment meshes and maps that lay out where everything is in the world. that stuff's copyrighted, so having it under terms not allowed by blizzard is a violation of us copyright law, which the us kindly binds its partners into enforcing by way of trade agreements (aka international copyright law)
i haven't seen the legal notice they received, so i can't comment specifically, but i'm guessing those are the grounds blizz shut them down under.
>>334300216
I brought a reminder that almost everyone on the contemporary version of this board is a dopey, catty law-worshiper who thinks that the police should shoot people caught with marijuana on sight. Prove me wrong bitch.
>>334300243
It would make sense. Texture reuse would probably be enough for a solid legal violation.
>>334296847
Better analogy would be the guy coming up with a recipe that mimics the Angry Whopper and then posting it online so everyone can make their own Angry Whoppers. Which, guess what, is completely legal.
>>334300205
That's not the same thing
The eve server was most likely playing an up to date client, while this shit is wayyy older, so old that blizzard no longer supports it.
>>334300243
>blizz shut down down under
They weren't 'shut down'. They got a notice that said (paraphrased): "turn off your server or we'll sue you". They don't have the money to hire lawyers for a court battle like every other two bit private server operator so they complied.
I am so sick of seeing retarded manchildren screaming the same retarded thing over and over again.
What's stopping entitled fucks like OP or the Nost retards from making their own game the way they want it?
>>334300449
>manchildren
Spotted the Redditor.
>>334300430
It wasn't up to date. It was a state of the game before the big "runner update" that basically made combat Excel 2008. The private rollback servers arose out of it. It's not that different.
No one except the people who played it care about "nostralius".
>>334300414
It doesn't matter if something's completely legal. If you're doing something, legal or not, and someone wants you to stop it and they also have much more money than you then you have to stop it and lose by default. "Americans" call this "The Justice System".
>>334296847
Who taught you to make analogies, an astronaut or something?
>>334300406
idk if they even use textures, i think that's all on the game client itself, could be wrong though. i've hosted my own server on lan for friends to play on and all i remember needing is layout information from the game client (maps and meshes). basically, the 3d location of everything in the game and "meshes," which i think are used so mobs know what paths they can take and so the game knows collision information for pcs.
>>334300449
that's like saying "the romans didn't kill jesus, they just led him to the cross and tied/nailed him to it, his body didn't have the strength to hold out indefinitely under the stress so he died." yes, they didn't physically kill him with their own hands, but they precipitated a series of events that they knew would lead to his downfall because he lacked the ability to stop it.
blizz didn't literally shut them down but yes, nost didn't have the resources to fight a legal battle, so that's what they did in effect.
What's with the influx of Blizzard marketers as of late?
>>334300839
The textures were a scalp'n'paste. Remember some dude named pflax streaming with one of the scripters for Nost, and he basically outright said it.
What's with the influx of private server fags lately?
>>334300924
It's not marketers, it's this board's demographic. It's primarily moralfags, SJWs, and cucks now. Why wouldn't it be? Most "gamers" are weak-willed on account of their low social ability and arguing in favor of "Good" or "The Law" online gives them a sense of power and righteousness that they'll never experience in real life thanks to their having no charisma, being physically unattractive, etc.
>>334301034
then he's right and i just forgot that i copied those files from the client
>>334296847
>Blatant blizzshit shilling
kys jew cocksucker
>>334296847
>YOU CAN'T HANDLE OUR ANGRY WHOPPER, IT IS ONLY FOR THE STRONGEST AND YOU ARE NOT OF THE STRONGEST, YOU ARE CLEARLY OF THE WEAKEST!
>>334301062
A private server with more players than modern WoW was shut down.
>>334300694
now i need to go re-read rin's route.
best girl.
analogy doesn't work because you can order literally anything you want anywhere and as long as they have the ingredients they can make it. so if you just want 1000 BK patties, as long as they have them in stock you got em.
If people played modern WoW again like they used to, maybe then they'd be inspired to try harder. Problem is that MMO's are dead and unless they can make massive dosh again like during the height of WoW they don't care to make the game better.
Every game is trying to be GTA V now in terms of money made.
>>334301381
I doubt any private server had over 3 million people
>>334301145
if nost guys purchased the game then it is irrelevant. You can do whatever you want with the client.
>>334301509
that's not true, the game is protected by us copyright law. additionally, the first thing you get when you open it is 2-3 EULAs you have to agree to before you can even play the game.
>>334301470
if you don't count chinks, bots and afk garrison zombies, neither does retail wow.
>>334298672
this
>>334299302
You're really pushing this shitty analogy, aren't you? Dude didn't even say something relevant to your point
>>334301470
>believing their numbers
I bet you think the US election isn't just a puppet show as well, and that the world isn't run by the Bildeberg Group, Trilateral Commission and Council on Foreign Relations.
>>334300694
And a lot of people played nostalrius you worthless anime-posting faggot
>>334301616
Irrelevant.
You can purchase the game and never accept the ToS/EULA.
>>334298287
WRONG WRONG WRONG
They were doing fine with server fees. Only the lawsuit threats from Cucktivision-Blizzard shut them down.
>>334298325
[citation needed]
>>334301779
that's true, but then the game files are still protected by us copyright law (including the DMCA) in the us and most allied countries.
>>334301631
apart from garrison zombies if you didn't count chinks and bots Nost had maybe 20k people if I'm being generous
>>334298385
>What-A-Burger
>Not Big Cahoona Burger, the pinnacle of Burger shop pinnacles
>>334301964
that is a good burger
>>334302093
welcome to GoodBurger, home of the Good Burger
>>334301885
Then blizzard would have to go after nost players that did not purchase the game rather then the server owners.
A wow emulator communicates with the client but it does not distribute any copyrighted material. It's all numbers and a db similar to that of wowhead. The connection is also encrypted iirc.
>>334298756
Not morality, per se. More of a long-term cost-benefit problem.
These kinds of short-sighted kneejerk reactions are running rampant in the big corporations right now.
>>334302093
>>334301964
you know what they call a quarter pounder in france?
>>334302242
Royale with cheese, also known in America as Bagina
>>334302168
like i said before, the textures, meshes, and environment maps are all hosted on the server, taken from the game client (the instructions for setting up mangos for instance require copying a bunch of files over from the game client). those things are hosted in violation of us copyright law, specifically in violation of certain sections of the dmca.
>>334302242
they don't call it a quarter pounder with cheese?
This thread makes me want to go to McDonalds and get a McGangbang.
>>334302242
I'm gonna take a shit.
>>334300694
What's your point?
>>334301071
People on /v/ have never had any charisma or been sexually atractive, but there used to be a sort of pride in being somewhat independent, this right here looks like fucking Gaia. /v/ has got to be one of the boards that has fallen further down the shitter; at least /a/ is still unwelcoming to retards.
>>334301906
nah it was more than that. even before the chink invasion there were 7k people on 24/7.
apart from that they had no marketing whatsoever and huge problems with the server. I remember when there were massive lag, disco's and rollbacks all day erryday.
and the overpopulation...oh gawd it was so bad. I legit quit nost because it was so disgustingly overcrowded.
despite all that shit it kept growing while retail is bleeding players
>>334302428
Wrong. That data is processed entirely server side. It has nothing to do with textures or graphics.
>>334302651
retail's bleeding players because Legion isn't here yet
I'm gonna play when Legion's here but I've already cleared Mythic HFC so there's not much reason for me to do anything for now
>>334301470
http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?serverid=-1&factionid=-1&minlevel=100&maxlevel=100&servertypeid=-1
Wow less than a million characters on a game that is an altfest so its probably less than 90k.
Face it retail wow is shit and anyone who defends it is a payed blizzard shill.
>>334301616
Except you're not purchasing the game. You're purchasing a license to play the game. You have no legal protection as a property holder.
>>334302690
it is processed server-side but it's still in violation of the dmca. specifically, i believe it is in violation of the anti-circumvention provisions. an easy way to find out would be to host a private server and send blizzard's legal team a link to it, pretty sure they'd be happy to educate you lol.
>>334302849
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR20QH5UHoM
>>334300496
They don't want to play another game. They want to play Warcraft.
They just don't want to pay for it.
>>334302854
businesses have tried to make that argument in the past but that's really only true in very, very narrowly defined situations.
however, the game files are still protected by us copyright law (including the dmca), meaning you can't just use them for whatever purpose you want.
>>334302927
it has nothing to do with payment, at least not for me. i'd gladly pay an additional fee to play on a reboot realm. i never got to experience the aq event, karazhan while it was live, sunwell, the wrath prepatch event, ulduar while it was live, wrathgate, and a whole bunch of other stuff i'd love to get to play.
>>334302814
>I'm gonna play when Legion's here
Dude, no.
That's all they sell nowadays is the expansion. They make no content once it's out, they've increase the price of expansions, they're coming out of them faster than ever. Their entire business strategy now is around people playing for a month after the new expansion.
>>334302849
Maybe when you learn to spell you'll also learn that that "census" isn't accurate because it's from an add-on that relies on being run, and it only tracks whoever's online when people run it because it finds people through /who
You tried.
>>334300243
The fact that you can reverse engineer the code to run an MMO server using none of the original source code is just fucking amazing. Why does no one talk about this?
>>334302927
i hate this bullshit excuse. All of the people that played vanilla and tbc were teenagers with no disposable income. Now that they're all grown up and have disposable income, they apparently can't pay for it. Makes logical sense.
>>334303113
it is amazing, but it's also something that's done a lot and as a former software dev myself, i know about how you do it. it's just very time-consuming.
in wow's case, it's significantly easier because we have access to the game client and we have a ton of documentation about the world itself. and back when the original core stuff was developed, we had access to the network interactions between the wow client and the wow server. i don't know if that's still the case, though, and the documentation on the old world has gotten a lot worse in recent years.
>>334302927
But sadly the only product being sold by Blizzard as of now is a shitfest known as WoD, which the legendaries galore mound of crap that's Legion won't fix. They shat on lore and any social, teamwork-heavy feature of the game, the things that made the game fun. WoW has been dead for years.
>4chan and reddit are both cocksucking corporate and saying what blizzard did is a good thing
gaming communities truly are shit
>>334303393
If they "shat on lore" there'd be Demon Hunters that aren't Elves
>>334303449
>implying r/Nostalrius isn't outright pathetic with how they think they're going to "change" anything by going to BlizzCon and wearing Nost shirts
>>334303462
not necessarily
they can fuck up the lore in some ways without fucking it up in every way
generally the biggest way they fuck it up by inventing new stuff that's just dumb. that doesn't require invalidating internal consistency.
Anybody who plays retail is not only a cuckold, but a complete faggot as well. You have to be a braindead degenerate to still be playing that.
Legacy servers or bust, Blizzard suck my nuts.
>people will defend blizzard releasing legacy servers after this
>>334296847
more like
>I want an angry whopper
>>we don't have those anymore, but here have a shitburger
>no I don't want a shitburger, I want an angry whopper
>>you think you do, but you don't, here have a shitburger
>nevermind, those guys across the street figured out how to make angry whoppers, and they are giving them out for free
>>WHAT THIEVE, SHUT IT DOWN
>oh great, what now? but at least you guys know now, that some people still want the angry whopper, so will you make them now?
>>no, here eat a shit burger
>FUCK YOU
Anybody who demands legacy servers and insults people who still play the real thing are Omega-level cucks
>>334303642
>THIEVE
*Thief
Nice.
Epic.
I like it.
>Can I have a vanilla server?
>Fuck you, take our big chocolate server you cuck
NEVER.
>food analogy
>thread is still up after an hour and a half
4
>>334296847
>no "you think you want the angry whopper, but you don't"
You suck at this, OP.
>>334303393
I agree that current WoW is shit, but that doesn't make a private server any less illegal.
I mean, my first car was a fucking Yugo. The Focus I have now is pretty shitty, but if I decide I don't want to make insurance payments on it any more that doesn't justify me going out and stealing a fucking Yugo from the automotive museum and I'm certainly justified to be pissy when I get arrested for it.
>>334296847
If you asked them to make it less spicy they'd do that so your point is invalid
>>334297358
>fuccboi
back to /tumblr/ cuck
I refuse to support any company that is not transparent and honest. I'm looking at Blizzard, 343, DICE, the list goes on. We have the internet, there is no reason that devs can't be honest about their mistakes, it's why I loved devs like BUNGiE (past tense) and Epic.
You can pretend all you want that it isn't true, but people are more forgiving when you tell the truth and you admit that you have done wrong.
>>334303462
Or they would've made every single of my characters the commander of the whole faction and wielder of the super special snowflake weapon of your class.
I've spent more time playing wow than any other game in my life, I wasted two years of my life having fun with guildies and pugs alike, climbing the arena ladder, failing to kill the big baddie and trying over and over, building friendships and rivalries. Now there's not even a server in which to interact, 90% of non-heroic content is accessed through menus. There's no interaction and no sense of accomplishment possible when everything is handed to you.
Some of the shortcomings have been alleviated, like questing and so on, but those weren't game defining flaws. The things they got rid of, however, were game defining perks. WoW is now a soulless husk, can't blame people for playing older versions of the game, however available.
For the record I didn't play nost, but I couldn't stomach WoD for long. Wonder why I bought into that pile of crap once more. Not in Legion.
>>334302863
No. You purchased the game and a 30-day subscription. May not apply to clapistan though.
>>334302863
I think you're confusing various terms now.
I'm not sure you can actually copyright what is being sent between the server and the client. It's not human readable data.
>>334304256
>implying people aren't just going to transmog over the artifacts
>>334298794
There were threads and threads and threads of people uploading webms their own facerig clips when the game came out. There is no source because they were all anonymous
>>334304092
>I refuse to support any company that is not transparent and honest
Have fun never buying anything ever again.
t. marketingfag
>>334304348
you probably can, but that's not what i'm saying is copyrighted
the world environment itself is copyrighted, e.g. the way things are laid out and such. private servers require those things from the game client in order to work.
>>334296847
>food analogies
>people like smaller doses of spice
>forced to eat the spiciest thing available because "we don't have that anymore"
>not just going home and making a semi-spicy burger themselves using the same materials BK did
This is why using food to further your point is stupid. Someone else is going to turn my own rendition on its head, but that's literally what fucking food analogies do.
>>334304532
>Have fun never buying anything ever again.
Actually I will
;)
>>334304532
>not knowing that pirating exists
>>334304789
Enjoy pirating your food based retard
I don't really give a shit that they shut Nostalrius down, I could see it coming from a mile away.
I just want them to reach out to their community and acknowledge there are people out there who exist and want to play on legacy servers, a lot of them. They won't even do that, they legitimately think they are retarded and don't actually enjoy playing old expansions. They think they do, but they don't. It's a pretty fucking arrogant and insulting thing to assume you know what your customers want even though you have been shown otherwise and continue to insist that you know.
A lot of people who didn't even play Nostalrius are quitting WoW because they're just tired of Blizzard's shit and them treating their customers like shit.
>>334296847
>it's another burgerblizzardcuckshill food analogy thread
>>334296847
>I have an idea for an analogy which will blow /v/ out of the water
>oh wait, it's actually shit
>I'll just post it anyway and try to make /v/ mad
xB
>>334304909
And yet nobody gives a shit because WoW isn't their only game.
>>334304890
what? who said not to buy food lol
>play wow for the first time in years
>remember having fun with it
>try it again
>realize how dated and boring it is
>stop playing
>mfw
>>334302849
What is it about Lich King that it just stagnated?
Was because Arthas is endgame?
"We're gonna build another wall, and we're gonna make the Forsaken pay for it."
>There are people not voting for Genn this election
>>334296847
more spicey
>>334305973
>There are people pissed off that Acheendoon is a circle when we've literally seen what it was shaped like since TBC
fucking morons
>>334305546
It didn't stagnate, its the point where just as many people were quitting as they were coming in.
The last bump is people returning to kill Arthas.
Looking for Dungeon was the last "fuck this game" implementation that caused more people to quit then blizzard could get new players to play.
>>334303624
Whats wrong with them releasing their OWN server of their OWN game
>>334305546
>Was because Arthas is endgame?
yes, all i cared was wc3
they fucked up killing arthas
>>334297843
A decent analogy? On /v/? What???
>Go to Subway
>Order a BLT to the Sandwich Artist
>"This is pretty good! I mean, needs a bit of SALT but it's real good!"
>Word of mouth turns the place crowded
>Every day the Sandwich Artists improve BLT
>They keep modifying according to what they think it's best for the majority of customers they have
>Half of the initial customers eventually got tired of BLT and started going to KFC instead
>Some of the remaining initial customers miss the og BLT
>A bunch of the new customers are curious about how good og BLT really was
>Dissatisfied costumers gather around
>They end up renting a cheap place up the street and started replicating og BLT to the best of their knowledge and resources
>Nostalway is born, composed by loving Sandwich Amateurs
>Their BLT are kinda half-assed and not really the same, but seems good enough for most
>They start distributing og BLT for free, but ask for donations to cover expenses
>This attracts many of the dissatisfied costumers, as well as shitload of starving hobos in the city
>Place ends up packed
>Subway got a load of it and request the place to shut down, since they're still making BLT
>Nostalway ask why don't they start making og BLT to get everyone back instead
>Subway refuses since they know how if that was to happen, they will eventually start receiving the same complains the og BLT had
>They also know most of these costumers can't afford, or want to actually pay for a BLT, og or not
>Nostalway closes down, their butthurt: Eternal
Better?
>>334306709
>Their own game
They might own the game now, but the true developers left years ago.
WoW is and always was shit.
>>334307665
I disagree
>>334307665
WoW was shit until Wrath.
>>334307731
Stop lying to yourself anon...
>>334307858
You think he does but he doesn't think you do but you are and you don't.
>>334296847
>meet OPs mom
>she's decently attractive but works as a prostitute
>whatever she needs money to feed her children, i am ok paying her in exchange for sex
>years go by and she is no longer that attractive, its at this point she should lower her rates (especially since i am a long time client of hers) but she cant because her neet son OP is becoming an increasingly heavy financial strain and most of her clients have found hotter, younger alternatives
>at this point i meet her daughter, OPs sister, who is much younger and sexier and looks like a younger version of her mom, making me nostalgic and quite horny
>turns out she is into me and will fuck me for free, so I stop going to her mom for sex (because lets face it, its her own fault shes still supporting her son's lazy fat ass and it is ruining her)
>OPs mom finds out I'm fucking her daughter and forces her to stop seeing me or she will be written out of the family and her will
>she tells me I just think I want her daughter but I actually don't
>now I just want to try and forget the painful memories of the good times I had with OPs sister but he keeps bringing it up by posting retarded food analogies on /v/ like the obese autist he is
>>334299372
says the cuckposter
All arguments are meaningless regardless of the analogy you make. The law is the ultimate force. They were in their legal right.
>>334308080
Bretty gud. Only you should have mentioned the rates going up in reference to WoW's expansions getting more expensive despite being worse.
>>334308309
What they did was completely legal, however if people disagree with their decision before Legion comes out the negative press might convince them not to buy it.
Why are people supporting Blizzard?
People are playing a profit for free that Blizzard didn't want to sell them.
It'd be different if Blizzard was offering legacy servers, but it's literally something that they aren't allowing you to buy. It's not a loss of a sale because they weren't letting me buy it from them
>welcome to McDonald's
>one cheeseburger please
>sorry we only have triple cheese burgers
>ok no worries I'll go down the road where they're giving cheeseburgers away for free
>but if you get a cheeseburger down the road that means I've lost profits here
>how so? I want a cheeseburger and you don't have them
>because you really want a triple cheeseburger
>no i don't
>w...well I'm calling the cops anyway
>>334309018
There are so many shit MMOs out there. But no, /v/irgins want an outdated version of a shit MMO.
Go figure.
>>334309018
more like
>welcome to McDonald's
>one cheeseburger please
>sorry we only have triple cheese burgers
>that's fine, I'll go in your kitchen and make myself one cheeseburger
>but you can't do that, those are our ingredients, you need to pay for them
>you won't sell me a cheeseburger, so fuck off I'll do as I want
>>334309508
Anon, you're missing the point. It has nothing to do with whether or not Vanilla WoW was a good game or not. Personally, the only MMO I've ever liked was City Of Heroes (RIP IN PEACE) but that's irrelevant. Blizzard is claiming piracy and lost sales on a product they refused to offer to people. It's an injustice and the fact that they are just allowed to do that is a flaw in our legal system
>>334309689
But why is it going into their kitchen? No one was using Blizzard's servers.
>>334309508
It's a less shitty version of an MMO that used to not be facebook.
That being said, Vanilla was dull but I liked the various things I could do with/to other people in it.
I remember being horde and sapping the defias traitor when he was in the center of the fuckfest town. I saw all sorts of red text coming from the alliance players in westfall.
>>334309716
You can't use someone's IP without their permission anon...
Well, you can. But it's piracy. Anyway, there are at least a couple hundreds of 'private' severs running with old versions of WoW out there, I don't know what makes this one so special.
>>334310069
It's not piracy because it isn't loss of a sale.
And it's about principle. Sure, there are other servers. But if we let them take this one down without any kind of backlash they'll just do the same to others
>>334296847
For that stunning analogy, you should push yourself into a woodchipper.
>>334297687
They've become the Starbucks of games. They know they can act however they want and never ever turn out anything besides more WOW and make unreal profit.
>>334305546
it was riding bc's hype and didn't have much to offer during the mean time unlike tbc.
>Own original Metroid
>Play it when ever I want
>Own original FFVII
>Play it when ever I want
>Own original WoW
>NU UH YOU CAN'T PLAY THAT
>>334300243
>what you do need from the game files if you host a server is stuff like environment meshes and maps that lay out where everything is in the world. that stuff's copyrighted, so having it under terms not allowed by blizzard is a violation of us copyright law, which the us kindly binds its partners into enforcing by way of trade agreements (aka international copyright law)
Does this really count if you are using copyrighted material but not distributing it?
Same for players for copies of the game installed on their machine.
>>334310241
You know very well they can't anon. Better companies have tried stopping piracy, they all failed.
There are hundreds if not thousands of old version servers out there, just let this one go and pick another.
>>334310515
It's all been building to this man.
For some reason, the video game industry is the only one where this kind of shit happens. As soon as always online DRM started popping up it was only a matter of time.
>I bought simcity, I want to play it
>Oops, servers are fucked, guess I can't
>like dark souls 1
>hate dark souls 2
>pop in dark souls 1 and still have fun while ignoring the new garbage that is dark souls 2
>like WoW
>hate WoD
>not allowed to pop in WoW as I knew it as it has been subsequently replaced by a overall worse product that I don't wish to play much less pay for.
Yeah nah, legacy servers should be in any MMO. A server for each expansion.
>>334310684
A hyperbolic analogy, but nonetheless accurate
If I killed someone, that doesn't mean it's okay because there's billions of other people out there
>>334309689
except no one is going into blizzard's kitchen
it would be more like if some other restaurant used their recipe after they published it online
>>334310925
Yeah, but you still can't legally have a third party using intellectual property without the creators permission.
Sorry anon.
>>334297843
I read it as cheese
>>334311319
Yes you can, as long as you're not profiting off of it, which nostalrius wasn't
It's the same reason people can host images that don't belong to them as long as they don't host ads on the same page
I miss Angry Whopper.
>>334311663
Anon... are you saying this Nostalrius sever didn't had a 'donation' system?
>>334311941
Donations are different than paying for a product
A mandatory donation would be different, that's why what the Trailer Park Boys do is illegal
>>334311941
The 'Donation' button was hidden and was used only to pay for server running costs, not for anything else. Didn't benefit any players whatsoever.
/v/ - Fuck, I'm Hungry
>>334312259
>>334312297
>Not paying the mandatory Blizzard's shekels
I rest my case.
Sorry your sever got kill anon.
>>334297843
jesus christ entitled faggots are out in mass today
They played on an illegal server, they played with blizzards content
anyone dumb enough to donate money to host the server deserves to go first on the day of the rope
the only reason that server had anyone at all isnt because it was golden era vanilla wow, it was because it was FREE
if that server charged 5$ a person do you thing it would still have the numbers it supposedly did?
>>334311941
They ran a non-profit operation. Nostalrius was even operating at a loss.
In order for them (the hosts) to profit, they would have to be making and pocketing money. What you're thinking of is considered mere revenue.
>>334312684
What?
Explain what you mean by that
Allowing someone to donate=/= charging for something
>>334312684
>presuming you're correct
Dumb. If it were mandatory Blizzard would be selling vanilla.
>>334312697
>>334312865
>>334313042
*sigh*
okay anon, whatever...
>>334313178
>*sigh*
>Fuck you. I'm going to go home and craft my own version of the Angry Whopper using knowledge of past Angry Whoppers and I'm going to give them away free to anyone who wants them!
>I'm calling the police
>>334312696
no because its still a private server but if there were official servers you bet your ass there were more people on it then on nost.
also blizzard had nothing to lose by leaving that server running.
>entitled
>>334313230
this thread is just 3dense5me
>>334308080
>she tells me I just think I want her daughter but I actually don't
lol'd
>>334313573
If you're dumb enough to *sigh*, elipses and spew stale memes you deserve to go back to shilling at the blizzard forums where the crusty circlejerk will shower you with stale yellow cum while they afk in their garrisons.
Fucking food analogies man
>DnD 5th edition is out now
>I like 3.5 better, I'm sticking to that
>Okay, have fun
>Warhammer 7th edition is out
>I like 6th better, I'm sticking to that
>Okay, have fun
>Warlords of Draenor is out
>I prefer vanilla, I'm sticking to that
>NO YOU CAN'T I WON'T ALLOW IT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I never played vanilla WoW, I only played VERY briefly in MoP and even now my highest level character is a level 75 worgen warrior (not counting the character boost I got with WoD) so I don't exactly have the rose tinted goggles for vanilla. But for fuck sakes Blizz, listen to your fanbase, no wonder people abandon you when you refuse to listen to your customers and give them the literal opposite of what they want.
>order a veggie angry whopper
>cooool this gon be good
>burn isn't red
>oh
>I ordered angry
>not angriest
Fuck
>>334313806
>comparing tabletop games to MMOs
you dumb fucks are never going to make an analogy that makes any sense in Nost's favor
>>334296847
I thought we had surpassed food analogies a long time ago /v/
>/v/ being shit at analogies
>like always
>>334313806
>Warhammer 7th edition is out
>I like 6th better, I'm sticking to that
>Okay, have fun
You've clearly never met a GW employee anon.
>>334313771
inb4 more ree
>>334314089
Okay admittedly that was probably a bad example, I hate the faggots in GW.
But then again, if you're playing it in your house with your friends, there isn't a ton GW can do about it. They aren't losing any money and you get to play what you want.
Same goes for blizz.
>>334314103
The difference between you and I is that I make things that are actually fun to read. Your half-assed replies, shill or not, they're boring. Nobody cares about you because I am using you as a platform to write great autistic rants about little things. Thus my posts are of a higher caliber. I could be charging you $15 a month to read this but I'm giving it to you for free. In the case that you're a shill, you're being paid to put out an inferior product whereas I give it for free, not even going to demand money.
My autistic paragraphs will therefore always be worth more than your 3 word shitpost replies. And that's why Nostalrius was superior.
>>334314236
>The righteous pirate
Why don't you go open a lawsuit against blizzard then?
>>334314447
Anon, nobody cares
>>334312696
>>People only played because it was free
>That's why there was a thriving gold-trade on there
>Also why the donations button was used so often
>And why there are now Nost shirts
>And lots of Twitch Streamers
>And blah blah I'm sucking cocks
People pay for things they're willing to love.
You know 4chan, despite being the asshole of the internet, survived for over a decade on donations and incentives. The adds at the top and bottom of the page have and will always give jack shit.
>>334296847
>less spicy = less delicious
kill yourself faggot making things hot for the sake of it is fucking retarded and any retard that enjoys that should remove themselves from the gene pool
>>334314630Anon is a mess.We don't need a weak person being shitpost king of 4chan
>>334314327
a classic
>>334313806
>But for fuck sakes Blizz, listen to your fanbase
do people who spew that have any idea of the actual numbers of people willing to pay for legacy servers and compare that to people still liking retail enough to still pay for it?
cause I'm never shown any besides the 120k active accounts on Nost, many of which would definitively not pay for anything
>>334314749
Wow, you actually made me feel a bit bad for anon-kun.
>>334314896
Nobody knows because nobody has bothered getting proper combined data from Nostalrius and their current subscribers. In order for this to be properly done Blizzard would need to run a poll and from how they've acted about running legacy servers they're too prideful.
>>334310631
Yep. The only difference is, if you aren't distributing it then you're probably never going to get caught.
That's why you have to re-up the EULA every time there's a patch or new expansion. At no point did you, as the player, ever buy rights to the game -you're just paying to access it under the conditions Blizzard sets forth.
Actually, it's kind of like a turnstyle in the subway. You gotta put a token in to get to the train, and if you try to skip payment by hopping the bar then metro security is within their rights to make you pay a fine or even ban you from using the transit.
>>334299856
EULAs literally have no authority if you don't agree with them and don't lie about it.
>>334315103
Anon, nobody cares.
>>334314657
Are you really gonna argue this?
Most was an illegal server, I doesn't matter that you can't get vanilla, and I see you with a boat T-shirt I know you are a raging faggot who probably gave Bernie Sanders a couple bucks
You have no ground here, stop acting like it was some grand defience against blizzard
It's a fucking video game
>>334300924
Legion due out in a few months. WoW movie before then.
>>334315206
>EULAs literally have no authority if you don't agree with them
*If it breaks a law in your country.
If you don't agree don't fucking buy, dumb fuck.
>>334314896
No they don't
Nor do they understand the massive undertaking it would be to host an official legacy server and the amount of man hours and testing implementing this would take.
Not only that but the current wow servers don't have a way to disable character transfers, stat apps and web interface shit. They would have to recode a metric fuckton of shit in the UI as well
It's not as simple as "boot up a legacy server" shit no longer works with the current wow servers
>>334315206
Players: "We wanna play Vanilla, make Vanilla Servers."
Blizzard: "No, you don't want that."
Players: "Yes, we do. Come on, please."
Blizzard: "Nope, it wouldn't be worth it."
Players: "Ok, we're gonna play on these private servers then."
Blizzard: "Lol, ok, Have fun on these shitty servers. Their quality is terrible and you're just gonna see how terrible Vanilla truly was."
Players: "No, it's really fun, I've never had so much fun in a long time."
Blizzard: "You just wait, that novelty will wear off."
Players: "No, look the amount of players playing here is rising. Look how many are active here, around 150k players."
Blizzard: "What? What are you doing? This is illegal. If you wanna play the game, play on our servers and pay, you thieves."
>>334298385
>>334298385
>Fucking barely any What-a-burgers nationally.
I'll take A&W or Five Guys like the other anon, there's an A&W like 10 minutes away, and a Five Guys 30 minutes away.
>>334314657
At what part did I say it's some grand defiance?
All I stated was that people payed money to it, despite it being a free service, while you argued that people only like it because they didn't need to pay.
Which is demonstrably wrong, ergo you are stupid, as well as gay, you nerd.
>>334296847
>Fuck you. I'm going to force myself into your kitchen and make my own Angry Whopper and guess what? I'm not paying for it.
Why would he have to pay Burger King to make an Angry Whopper in his own house? If you really wanted to make your strawman effective, you should've specified that he was stealing the resources from Burger King to make his own Angry Whopper and sharing it with his friends so no one would buy from Burger King.
>>334315258
>being this retarded
This is an issue about Blizzard not doing anything about a market making an outcry for a product only they have the legal rights to sustain.
>oh wah wah big baby
Fuck off, this is a market demand. Blizzard is full of retards for not even attempting to capitalize off of this out of snotty pride. The only difference is that Blizzard has the deciding powers over their game and they're shutting out potential customers.
No business worth a damn would do something this retarded.
>>334315581
>>334315206
oops wrong post
wanted that one
>>334299856
>>334315581
>"No, look the amount of players playing here is rising. Look how many are active here, around 150k players."
>I COUNT REGISTERED ACCOUNT AND NOT ACTIVE ACCOUNTS.
What was the daily peak anon.
We all know the answer so don't lie unless you want to invalidate your already retarded argument.
Are you actually implying its wrong to have different tastes.
>>334315581
and I didn't even copy the whole thing
I'm so worthless
Players: "We wanna play Vanilla, make Vanilla Servers."
Blizzard: "No, you don't want that."
Players: "Yes, we do. Come on, please."
Blizzard: "Nope, it wouldn't be worth it."
Players: "Ok, we're gonna play on these private servers then."
Blizzard: "Lol, ok, Have fun on these shitty servers. Their quality is terrible and you're just gonna see how terrible Vanilla truly was."
Players: "No, it's really fun, I've never had so much fun in a long time."
Blizzard: "You just wait, that novelty will wear off."
Players: "No, look the amount of players playing here is rising. Look how many are active here, around 150k players."
Blizzard: "What? What are you doing? This is illegal. If you wanna play the game, play on our servers and pay, you thieves."
Players: "But you don't have Vanilla servers. We asked you for Vanilla servers, but you didn't want to. We don't want to play Warlords of Draenor."
Blizzard: "Shut it down!"
Players: "Oh great, now what. You destroyed our community. So will you now make Vanilla servers, so we can play Vanilla?."
Blizzard: "No, it wouldn't be worth it, and the current game is better. Just come back and play Warlords of Draenor."
Players: "No, I think we're gonna go to a different Vanilla server."
Blizzard: "Thiiiieeeeevvvvesssssss!!!!"
>>334315632
Hey faggot, read
It's not cost effective to do this
150k is a bullshit number that is heavily inflated by the free population.
lolMMOs are shit, SHIT
>>334315237
Yes. I just wanted to say that i am really sorry if I triggered you autism anon-kun.
No hard feelings?
>>334315735
150k are active players
800k were accounts created
you worthless piece of shit
>>334315632
It costs time and resources to run a Legacy server.
They could do so very easily, but it would detract from the games they already want to develop. It isn't going to be cut and dry like "You just don't want money" or "You have no right to take our free servers down." It's their intellectual property and they are free to do with it as they please, whether the consumer likes it or not.
>company makes online game
>company hosts servers for their online game
>company updates their online game
>company doesn't want people hosting servers for their game
>company never releases server hosting tools for their game
>people reverse engineer them and host their own servers of company's game
>company shuts down private server as it is their right
>MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM I WANNA PLAY MUH VANILLAAAAAAAA
>>334315128
Well, perhaps they did. I mean, I haven't followed with WoW since Cata, but I work in market research, and big companies like Blizzard usually make those kind of polls to evaluate the success of their new products, I know Ubisoft does a lot of them.
Those datas are not made available to the public, of course.
>>334315775
whoever the retarded faggot is that wrote this is delusional if he thinks Blizzard even gives a shit
they sent a C&D and then moved on like you would move on after stepping on an ant
Here's the issue
You can either claim that the presence of Nost was costing Blizzard money
Or you can claim that there's no point in having vanilla servers
But you can't claim both at the same time
>>334296847
>Welcome to Burger King! Can I take your order?
>>Yes I'll have an Angry Whopper with fries and a drink.
>Sorry sir we don't serve the Angry Whopper anymore but right now we have the Angriest Whopper. It's even more spicy.
>>No it has too much spice. I want it to be less spicy and less delicious.
>Sir you would probably like the new Angriest Whopper better.
>>Fuck you. I'm going to go find an old angry whopper and duplicate the recipe using my own scripts at home and share it with my friends.
>Cease and desist lol.
>>I just wanted that old flavor back before I died :(
>>334313886
in principle I think he makes a good point... How is an MMO different than that in more than a purely functional way.
Theoretically, people that don't like 5th ed. D&D and prefer to play 3rd are not buying 5th ed. material and thus Wizard's is potentially losing out on money, the same argument that blizzard makes for people not paying for modern wow and using older iterations.
>>334315937
>not caring
>sending a cease and desist
kek
sending a cease and desist alone costs around 1000$
>not caring
>>334311663
Fair Use laws don't apply when it could have an affect on the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
Ergo, Nost is not protected under Fair Use.
>>334315809
No you're the dumb faggot who didn't read the thread. Blizzard doesn't conduct data-gathering because they dismissed the potential from the get-go. They don't even ask their current users what they would think, people are only going off of the Nostalrius census.
They could host a simple poll on their website, get those numbers, and solidify the result. They don't do this because they're morons.
>>334315559
>massive undertaking
>amount of man hours and testing
Nost did it with volunteer work from people that didn't know what they were doing in a fairly short amount of time.
>current wow servers don't have a way to disable character transfers, stat apps and web interface shit
Yes, they really do, but if it's too much or if you don't know anything about servers, then why not have a separate server, on of the few that Blizz isn't using now that they've lost 2/3rds of their playerbase? Then there is no conflict.
>>334316040
>WoW makes $900mil yearly still and it's only one of 6 games
>acting like $1000 is a lot
pathetic
>Vanilla WoW was trash.
>Vanilla fags where 12 when they first played WoW.
>Only redeemable quality was the community.
>That community died years ago.
>Wanting to play an outdated MMO that has every inch explored already and has everything worked down to a science.
>Wanting to play a buggy MMO that doesn't even have future content.
So we are all in agreement that Blizzard is right on this one? Cause honestly, how more retarded and autistic do you have to be?
>>334315867
WHOA!
150K!
THAT'S LIKE... 4% IF WOW HAS ONLY 4 MILLION.
WORTH IT BRAH
TOTALLY!
BETTER HOPE ALL THOSE ACTIVE PLAYERS SIMPLY AREN'T POOR! THAT WOULD BE LESS PAYING THE SUB FEE!
Just because blizzard was in their legal right to shut down Nost doesn't mean they're not fucking idiots
>>334316129
You are a fucking retard
>mfw realizing there's no use in arguing with pro-blizzard shills because they are worthless since only a hollow remnant of a human being would defend their recent actions
>''IT'S COMPLETELY WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS!!11''
Appeal to authority isn't an argument and it doesn't take away the fact that what they've done was a dickcunt of a move.
I actually started playing a week or so before the ban, it was a total grindfest but still pretty fun. The high server pop was kind of annoying for questing.
I think there's something lost when they make it quick and easy to get to the level cap. Maybe the nostalgia is too real but I would probably pay for a legacy server
>>334316174
They had 150k active and 1 million total.
>>334316129
>Nost did it with volunteer work from people that didn't know what they were doing in a fairly short amount of time.
So do Blizzard have workers that work for free?
>>334315593 was meant for >>334315258
>>334315458
The EULA isn't presented to me when I buy the game, so I'm free to do what I want with the game I bought until I do agree. Now, if I'm wrong, and your logic is right...
*scribble scribble*
Here's an EULA I just made. It says that I can fuck your wife and give her a son. Enjoy your wife's son, cuck.
>>334315957
or you know, that Nost is a private server that never had Blizzard's approval and is illegal and Blizzard just used their rights to shut it down?
What's so fucking hard to understand?
>>334316132
never said it's a lot mr. strawman
I said if you pay that amount of money you obviously do care
1000$ are still 1000$ someone who doesn't care wouldn't actually pay cause it's retarded
>>334316319
it's illegal in California to have an unpaid workforce
>>334315886
>but it would detract from the games they already want to develop
This is the ultimate reason they won't do legacy servers. It doubles the workload and effectively splits the playerbase into two parts that need to be managed separately. Even if Blizzard were to have integrated Nost into their subscription model and given all players a free month before having to re-subscribe, it'd still be too much of a pain in the dick to be worth it to them because of a potential playerbase split. That shit is what led to Everquest's downfall.
As far as shutting them down, it's unfortunately 100% their legal right to do so, and if there's even the slightest possible chance that the existence of a private legacy server is costing them money, they should absolutely shut that shit down, from a making money point of view.
>>334316310
>Game requires a sub fee
>All these players that aren't actively playing it are paying it! Honest!
Are you fucking retarded?
Nostalgiafags everyone!
>>334304457
>game
>>334316272
Why do shills even bother anyways? It's not like they're convincing anybody here in this cesspit. If anything it's just getting people to talk more about it and keep the issue "relevant."
>>334315559
Or they could have just franchised Nos, made a little money, and then watched as all the people that just wanted to play for free vanish or pony up.
I'm pretty sure if a bunch of people did it for free in their own time you are grossly exaggerating the difficulty of making an official vanilla server too.
>>334315775
150k is a low amount of players in the eyes of blizzard, even say, if every single one of those 150k players became paying customers for a vanilla server, it wouldn't reach a double digit percentage of their current player base.
If you could somehow convince them it would bring in more players than that, then they'd likely consider it, they don't hate money.
>>334316272
some of those guys on there had put some serious hours in, blizz's face when.
Only consolation is there might be some crossover of whiny overwatch fans
>>334316174
>moving the goalposts this hard
Obvious bait
>>334303449
This is the real world. The real world doesn't function like the internet does, there are consequences for your actions. The real world is not this lawless land you want it to be.
>>334316174
yet enough of a threat that blizzard had to take them down?
>it wouldn't be worth it to have vanilla servers cause it's just 150k players, that's barely anything
>there are so many people playing there that they are cutting in on our profit, all these players playing there are serious money lost
pick one
and stfu blizzdrone shill
>>334316319
No, that's them working for a future goal that will bring in revenue.
Like what they do with them when they're working on expansions.
Like what they are doing right now. As in, at this moment.
>People have been crying and complaining for "legacy" servers for 8 years now
>There are people dumb enough to think Blizzard has never looked at it from a business perspective, saw that it's an absolute waste of time because their game isn't a shitty browser-based one, and moved on with their lives, which is something nostalgiafags are incapable of doing
>>334316447
>150k is a low amount of players in the eyes of blizzard
not so low that they won't try and take them down apparently
>>334316529
>Point was that there weren't enough people that are assured to pay
>Spout numbers as though it means anything
>Number is still less than 4% IF they all pay
>"IT'S FINANCIALLY VIABLE BECAUSE I SAY SO LALALALALALALALALALA"
Be an adult, grow up.
>Welcome to Burger King! Can I take your order?
>>Yes I'll play on a WOW vanilla server
>Sorry sir we don't serve the WOW vanilla server anymore but right now we have Legion expansion servers. It's even more spicy.
>>No it has too much spice. I want it to be less spicy and less delicious.
>Sir you would probably like the new Legion expansion servers better.
>>Fuck you. I'm going to force myself into your kitchen and make my own WOW vanilla server and guess what? I'm not paying for it.
>I'm calling the police.
>>YOU CAN'T DO THIS! THIS IS WHAT I WANT! I WANT a world of warcraft original vanilla server. GIVE IT TO ME!
There, fixed it.
>>334316119
>They could host a simple poll on their website, get those numbers, and solidify the result.
This isn't how you do a serious poll.
>>334296847
>customer: you know what? Im going to use your recipe for angry whooper and eat at my own house ! you just lost 5 dollars, dipshit!
>manager: b-but m-muh recipe is intelectual property! C-copy righted! You cant make your own angry burger ! I'm calling the cops! Fuck you!
>>334316652
>every reply has an image
You're trying WAY too hard, I'm not even gonna read that.
>>334316679
I don't see you offering any better ideas for gathering customers' opinions. Why don't you pony up and tell me what's what then?
>>334316729
>I give up
>>334316272
>Appeal to authority isn't an argument
there's a reason why authority is the way it is you absolute dumbass, just because you feel entitled to things for free because you've never created anything of worth in your life doesn't mean everyone shares your childish opinions
>>334296847
Spot the American ITTDont look past OP
>>334316635
>saw that it's an absolute waste of time
why don't they just make a partnership with these private servers?
get a certain% of their money
they don't have to actually make the private server and still get money
100% win
I thought actiblizz loved money so much?
>>334316729
>THIS angry
wew lad
>>334316782
probably because the angriest whopper isn't in non-american burger kings yet
>>334316768
That's betterdude I'm not even the guy who took the bait, I don't play shit games. Just saw this on the front page and thought I'd give you some advice.
>>334316138
>The community on Nost was thriving
>It wasn't buggy and they don't want future content, knowing what would change.
>"Every single member has explored every single thing about the game already, why are people playing it?"
What a shit opinion.
>>334316635
It can't be that expensive to make a legacy server, some french assholes did it for free.
Even if it brings in 1/4 of the subscriptions as there were active users it should make a tidy profit.
I think they're ignoring the size of their manchild fanbase and looking at focus groups for actual children
>>334316797
because the only Jews here are you faggots playing on private servers
Jews aren't the ones paying for the real game
>>334315582
>>334301964
>They don't live in Texas
>They'll never know the bliss that is biting into a fresh patty melt
I'm so sorry.....
>>334316886
that doesn't actually answer the question
retard
Is the angriest whopper even spicy? Had the angry whopper a few years ago and it was barely spicy. Tired of these fast food companies claiming their food is spicy and not even delivering.
Buffalo Wild Wings is the only restaurant that delivered on spicy. The blazing sauce is so fucking spicy it made me cry.
>>334316753
Damn bro. Blizzard has hard data of their customer base, and their email adress. They make quotas that are representative of their player base (current or past if they so choose), and send their survey by mail to enough people so it actually represent their user base.
>>334316343
>so I'm free to do what I want with the game I bought until I do agree
Yeah, you can play frisbee with the disc if you want. Of course, most EULAs pop up during installation these days, so beyond that point you can't do whatever you want without being a shitheel with nothing to stand on.
>It says that I can fuck your wife and give her a son.
...then I just won't sign it, and then you can't do shit. Well, you can what with free will and all, but I'll shoot you in the face if you do. I'd get away with it, too, seeing as how you'd be attempting to rape my wife.
>>334316770
>there's a reason why authority is the way it is
Statist cucks should leave.
>>334316940
it's not worth answering a retarded concept, private servers are 100% garbage and so are you for thinking any of them are even remotely accurate
I would have shut it down too.
It's Copyright Infringement, and companies are in danger of losing and weakening their copyright if they dont pursue offenders aggresively.
>>334316797
Blizzard doesnt want split servers with different content.
nost tears are as delicious as pirate tears.
They're both the same base recipe, but the extra salt and bitterness in the nost tears just gives it that much more of a satisfying taste.
>>334296847
>if you're not making me a vanilla burger, I'll make one myself when I get home. It lacks the special ingredient only you guys know, but it's still good. Enjoy not getting my 5$.
>t-thief! Y-you can't have a f-free burger in your own house! Stop imitating our burgers! Shut it down!!
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>334316552
>yet enough of a threat that blizzard had to take them down?
You're making it sound like Blizzard put way more effort into this than they actually did, or that they're endangering themselves in any way by doing this.
A wealthy corporation sent a cease and desist letter to a group that was stealing their assets to run a private server that literally any Joe Businessman would look at and determine that it was potentially costing them money. It's a shitty situation that this particularly well developed one was shut down, but it's probably BECAUSE it was a particularly well developed one that it was shut down.
>>334316960
What a joke, that shit gets swamped by spam and garbage so participants are going to be lower by default.
>>334316957
I had one last night and its barely "mild irritation" levels of spicy.
Then again I'm also the guy who has a dozen blazin wings every thursday and enjoys it so my tolerance may be too high.
I also remember Jack in the box having a burger with "ghost pepper sauce" that barely did anything for me.
>>334317098
That's funny because those hacks begging for shekels with their private servers didn't make their own MMO, they made WoW
>>334317035
is money a stupid concept too? is there any braincell left inside of your head?
>>334317067
they don't want to deal with 2 versions of the code
but if they don't run the private servers they don't have to
they are just cashing in checks
>>334315258
Jesus Christ, if it was just people not wanting to pay money for the game, then guess what: They can technically already play WoD for free via the token. Now yes, that costs lots of gold. But considering how grindy and time intensive playing on Nostalrius was, I'm sure that running old raids every week in order to get the 20k gold in time would have been much more time efficient than the additional time you had to invest to be successful in vanilla WoW.
So if people were just being cheap, there was no reason for them to specifically invest all their time in Nostalrius. I mean hey, they could have even gone on one of those other private servers for WoD or MoP. But oh yeah, those are barely populated. Guess why that is? Because people don't want to play that garbage even if its available to them for free.
The fact that it was free had absolutely nothing to do with the exceptional success of Nostalrius, and only deluded blizzdrones and trolls keep pushing this retarded argument.
>>334317106
People are fucking stupid, anyway.
If you're running an ILLEGAL FUCKING SERVER, you dont go hyping it up and telling people about your ILLEGAL FUCKING SERVER.
It's stupid.
Companies HAVE To take actions to defend their copyright.
>>334316552
>yet enough of a threat that blizzard had to take them down?
Are you seriously this retarded? Blizzard has taken down private servers before, even when the game was doing far more well. Nost isn't the first, and maybe if people didn't stream it make such hoopla over it, it wouldn't have been taken down.
>>334317221
there's more left than what's in between your ears, obviously, if there were "money" in this shitty concept they'd have done it 8 years ago
>>334296847
isnt burgerkings motto "have it your way" so in reality op would be wrong?
>>334317232
I mean, there's certainly a discussion to be had about how fucking broken copyright law is in favor of corporations and will continue to be skewed harder and harder and fucking harder as time goes on, but I don't see why people are still arguing about this specific instance of it.
>>334317281
so why are they taking them down?
their argument is that they are losing profits
yet they don't want to make vanilla servers cause they wouldn't be profitable
pick one
>>334317095
does it make you feel better about spending thousands on anime figurines?
>>334316552
Copyright Infringement has to be fought aggressively to mantain your copyright.
Did you know this?
They have to.
When a fish gets big enough to become NOTICED, they gotta take it down.
It's your fault people noticed.
>>334317026
so it's okay if I steal from you because I don't agree with the law and I think that I should be able to steal from other people, and when you confront me about it I can just say 'lol all you can do is appeal to authority', even though I'm never going to change my mind because I don't understand something as obvious as why stealing is bad
and now you're gonna pull retarded piracy analogies/arguments to justify this shit most probably
>>334297843
i watch jontron too
>>334317414
Not that guy but you better not be talking shit about anime figures nigga.
>>334316874
if they treated them like they do their PTR servers it would still be stupidly hard
the issue is that there isnt that big of a demand for vanilla servers, if anything they would be a small gimmick for about a year, and Blizzard would be stuck with the server costs and maintenance
150k isnt good enough
1 million free accounts are not good enough
There is no progression for those players after they hit cap, there is no way for them to make any real money off of vanilla
And the biggest issue is that Vanilla version of Warcraft has undergone some major changes on the engine front and really has no compliance with the new UI and Website interfaces made for the newer versions of WoW
Vanilla is susceptible to a metric fuckton of hacks/glitches and other bullshit that makes the game dangerous for regular players
In no way can it be seen as a good idea to create a Vanilla server, because if you were to address the issues i pointed out above that would require taking members off of the current WoW team and paying for them to make Vanilla work on the new system.
Which would mess up few things and you faggots would throw an even bigger fit
>>334296847
u goddamn retard guess what
THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT
if we want vanilla wow then we should get a vanilla wow server but fucking blizzard knows the whole player base would move over to the vanilla wow server and gtfo and never play on the awful norm/casual servers
so fuck u and fuck blizzard nostalrius was fucking awesome and it needs to come back asap.
>>334317365
they're doing it because it's in competition with their current product
>>334317298
if there's no money in it, how are they losing money when private servers exist?
if there's no money in it, why are they complaining about other people making money with private servers?
that kind of logic only works for blizzdrones
>>334317137
>>334317137
Kid, please, you're proposing a poll on a website. I do polls for a living. Email polls of course have a lower rate of answer, but you're making up by the sheer number of people included in the mailing campaign. Troughout the duration of the campaign you send mails again to the category of people you're most willing to get answers from, using quotas so at the end you don't have to redress the results for them to be representative of your given universe.
>>334317365
COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT.
FOR FUCK'S SAKE.
ARE YOU DENSE?
STUPID?
One final time. Companies HAVE to aggresively protect their Copyrights or become in danger of losing them.
The moment a big fish appears, they have to skewer them.
>>334298080
>jontron
go back to wherever you came from
>>334317419
so then why not make a partnership and literally make 100% profit from this?
no risk, no effort, no costs
>>334317230
>The fact that it was free had absolutely nothing to do with the exceptional success of Nostalrius,
Holy shit, look at this faggot and laugh
>>334299372
Now who's salty
>>334317518
Vanilla private servers are not in competition with Shitlords of Draenor
and even if they were, if they actually represent a competition, then there is money in it, and you can't say that it wouldn't be worth it
>>334317527
they're not losing money, and you dumb fucks wouldn't stop advertising Nost
>>334317487
>play for free on a pirated server
>HURR DURR IM A CUSTOMER AND IM RIGHT
>>334317568
if copyright infringement doesn't harm you, there is no point in doing anything against it
>>334317298
What about the smaller servers for Vanilla WoW that are pay2play, and make money?
And they charge less than 15 bucks.
What about all the donations that Nost got, despite being perfectly free?
What about the thriving cash4gold type trading on the server?
People were and are making money with Vanilla WoW. None of the people making money are Blizzard, so why not come in and get the lion's share with the real deal?
>>334317618
There's likely all sorts of legal reasons WHY, but more importantly, WHY REWARD ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR?
These fucks pursued copyright infringement, to the point of having 150 thousand subscribers- which is a huge amount of arguably lost revenue. Blizzard is being NICE here.
Ask Blizzard why they dont want Vanilla servers- fuck If I know.Probably because they dont feel like it's cool to say "FUCK ALL THE NEW CONTENT".
>>334317568
>One final time. Companies HAVE to aggresively protect their Copyrights or become in danger of losing them.
No they don't, you fucking retard. Stop acting like you know the law just because you read it on the WoW forums once. The provision you are refering to is extremely hard to reason for in court and parties wanting to question the copyright of a given company on its basis have historically had to go through extremely complicated and extensive hoops in order to make their point in front of a court.
If your retarded logic was applied consistently, then copy right would be meaningless because companies would have to install cameras everywhere in order to ensure that nobody in some third world country uses their music/artwork/imagery/trademark
>>334317212
They had to make all the server side scripting (boss / creep AI) themselves, often lacking the secret ingredient.
Anyway, who the fuck are you to get so emotionally invested in this you have to defend blizz? How pathetic are you?
Stopped reading at the shitty food analogy
>>334317779
i'm a fucking customer retard and if they are not giving me vanilla wow then i'll go play on nost or i did until those beta cucks over at blizzard took it away from us.
go back to playing tortanic or casual wow pleb
>>334317706
so if they're not losing money, why take them down
makes no sense
>>334317841
>WHY REWARD ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR?
it's not illegal anymore if you make a partnership with them
and why? obviously cause there's money in it, and if blizzard loves anything, it's money
>>334296847
>its another food anology
STOP
POSTING
UNDERAGE
YOU MUST BE OLDER THAN 18 AND HAVE AN INTELLIGENCE WHICH RATES HIGHER THAN 80 ON AN IQ TEST
>WHY NOT 70
because most posters here are already borderline retarded
>>334317547
Nigger I wouldn't hire you for a poll if that were the case. If you want your shitty email campaign to work you would have to use more than one avenue of advertisement.
Email is a given but if you don't put it in people's faces in the game, get data from past players, and so on you're advertising and doing it wrong.
>>334317945
somebody get this hot head outta here
>>334317894
>Anyway, who the fuck are you to get so emotionally invested in this you have to defend blizz? How pathetic are you?
How emotionally invested are you to defend literal cucks that got cucked by blizzard?
>>334317961
>License Limitations.
>Blizzard may revoke your license to use Battle.net and/or the Games if you violate, or assist others in violating, the license limitations set forth below. You agree that you will not, in whole or in part or under any circumstances, do the following:
>Derivative Works: Copy or reproduce (except as provided in Section 1(B)), translate, reverse engineer, derive source code from, modify, disassemble, decompile, or create derivative works based on or related to the Battle.net Client or Games.
>>334317785
You have to.
Do I really have to explain it further?
THEY -HAVE- TO.
No matter how big or small.
To protect their license and copyright m and intellectual properties, they HAVE to.
>>334317687
Nice job completely ignoring the entire post where I layed down in extensive detail why there is no reason to believe that Nostalrius being free was a major contributing factor to its success rather than the superiority of vanilla. But hey, here's your (you)
>>334317232
The most retarded thing about it is some legit mongoloids tweeted to a blizzard rep "Nost is a popular vanilla server. You're wrong". They even showed them Nost's 1.5 million registered user base.
What the fuck were they thinking? If anything ?
The average person is retarded.
>>334317457
Stealing implies someone is losing something.
Blizzard wasn't losing shit.
No one would go back to retail because retail sucks ass.
>>334317230
>shilling the WoW tokens
Remember: People buying WoW tokens is a good thing for Blizzard because they're 20$ instead of the usual 15 or less per month.
>>334318146
No one would steal from you because you suck ass.
>>334318146
lmao you really did pull the piracy arguments to justify your cheapass morality
This is stupid.
If you smoke weed and do blow, you dont fucking tell the cops, "HEY, YOU'RE STUPID, PEOPLE LOVE DRUGS, WE BUY THEM FROM STREET X, ROAD B, BUILDING Z"."
You're not supposed to announce your illegal activities, idiots.
>>334298756
> any decision made legally is immune to criticism
> can't be an asshole if you're acting within the law
I never updated a private vanilla server, but you people should listen to yourselves
>>334299302
>not paying for the ingredients
same shit
>>334318368
Never *touched
Fucking Swype
>>334297146
Food is all the average mmo player knows
>>334318131
they've probably been putting together a case for a while, it's just harder to get through EU laws and theyve gone after plenty of other servers
>>334318130
You are mentally challenged, if this was a private server that cost 15$ a month do you really think it would have the life it did?
do you really thing that the entire reason Nost stood up for so long was because of a bunch of die hard faggots who really wanted to play old WoW?
no you idiot, it was a free WoW server that was heavily populated by Bots and hackers, and most of all it was free
the largest, contributing factor to Nosts' "success" is the fact that the goddamn game was free
>>334318368
It's a non-essential, luxury product.
It's business.
You dont NEED WoW.
You cannot possibly be an asshole over a luxury product.
>>334296847
>make food analogy on /v/
>get assblasted
>make food analogy on /v/ defending blizzard
>oh god yes 10/10 thread
Really?
>>334318096
no they don't
if they do why did they wait over a year before they took down nostalrius? nostalrius was well-known, there is no way they didn't know of it
yet they waited over a year
>STILL CRYING ABOUT NOSTALRIUS
>>334318351
It's not the same anon.
They were in France, they shouldn't be able to get to them:^)
>>334318368
so you acknowledge you're being a MASSIVE baby and your crying isn't justified, and you insist on continuing crying like a 2 year old
>>334318549
They let it get ripe.
For maximum suffering.
Why not?
Let all these fools love WoW again, and then cut off their supply?
Even if only 1% of that 150000 comes to us, it's still more subscribers than before!
MUAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA!
>>334318478
>bots
I don't get it . how did "Nost = bots" become a meme so fast?
I leveled up to 50 a few weeks ago and I never encountered a non-NPC character that didn't respond to my presence.
Do you guys even know what you're talking about, or is it just primary-school hear-say rumour spreading?
>>334317486
I guess that makes sense, still seems like a dick move to go after the private server
>>334318481
Unless it comes to be that blizzard is doing their own legacy servers, there is no business reason to shut it down.
It would be like not allowing people to play emulated NES or SNES games just because you can.
Yes I'm aware that with the existence of virtual console, that argument is void, but there is no "VC" for legacy WoW that we know of. Again, if that is their plan then it makes perfect sense. If not, they're kicking their fan base in the nuts and walking away.
>>334318643
I'm not sure you replied to the right post
>>334318690
>MUAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA!
>>>/out/
It's over and closed stop posting this shit no one but fat neckbeards holding on to the past care anymore.
>>334318816
I hate to break it to you, buddy, but that's all life is: one long, painful series of dick moves.
If you're lucky, you'll be the one making most of them.
>>334318812
there were tons of bots on the pvp server, you probably didnt notice.
>>334318478
Nost competed with thousands of servers that were just as free, running other expansions. If vanilla be this big in the private server scene, it can do well in retail too.
Even better since it would only compete with WoD, rather than actually good expansions.
>>334296847
>angriest whopper is more delicious.
>subs are in freefall
>>334307363
>Trying to justify piracy with bullshit like this
>>334318478
You're once again ignoring the elephant in the room here: If you just want to play on Nostalrius because its for free and not because Vanilla was superior, then why not just use all the time (which you would otherwise spend on leveling up and doing other time intensive activities on a Vanilla server) farming gold on retail WoW in order to buy the WoW token? Vanilla is a time intensive game, so if you really just want to play for free, you could use that time to grind up gold in WoD instead and play the supposedly superior retail version of WoW instead.
The fact that people did not do this is very strong evidence in favor of the theory that they did not play on Nostalrius just because it was free, but because they actually enjoyed it and found it to be a preferable experience.
And once again, this entire argument ignores the existence of private WoD and MoP servers, which players could ALSO play for free AND get the "superior" (winkwink) experience from modern day WoW at the same time.
Of course, your weasel excuse for this fact will be that "WoD private servers aren't as populated that's why people don't join them". Well gollyjee, why do you think is that? You know, just maybe there's a reason why nobody fucking plays on WoD private servers, while there is a great demand for properly scripted TBC and Vanilla servers.
>>334317976
The fuck are you on about, data from past players is available to Blizzard, do you think they delete the email adress of people whose account is not activated?
What matters isn't the number of people that answer the poll, it's how they represent the globality of Blizzard customer's base. You don't want to interfere with the customer experience IN GAME. I guess you could use the website to advertise for the poll if you're logged in your battlenet account, but this isn't really important. What matters if the representativity of the user base, not the number of people answering.
>>334299302
that's not against the rules, if you make your own angry whopper burger king isn't gonna send a guy to your house to smack it our of your hands.
>>334319118
I replied to the right post you fucking baby
>>334309018
>I'll go down the road where they're giving cheeseburgers away for free
literally where are they giving McDonalds away for free?
>>334310515
>own
>own
>own
How wrong can one person be?
>>334319340
It doesn't matter if you put something up in the game because the playerbase is too busy jacking off in their garrison. It'd give them something to read.
>>334319450
I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I just wanted to point out the bad logic in "legal=justified"
Considering we're both posting on a board for people who like games, we're probably on the same side.
>>334319476
gee you're right it's almost like food analogies are retarded or something
>>334296847
Food is a finite resource that actually costs money to produce. Data that isn't even in use anymore is neither finite nor does it cost anything since it can practically be infinitely copied. Your analogy is pretty stupid.
Whether or not someone (such as a company)allows other free usage of said data is another question entirely.
>Go to burger king
>Order an Angry Whopper
>"Sorry sir, we don't have the Angry Whopper anymore, we only have the Angriest Whopper now"
>"Fine I'll take that I guess"
>See raging, red in the face, fat autist at the table nearby with a laptop slamming the keyboard like it's your mom's pussy.
>"Oh don't worry about him, he's just leeching our wifi to complain online about World of Warcraft or something"
>Collect my meal and leave
>>334319786
*matter, not question
>>334319607
>Interfering in your customer experience in a customer centric business approach doesn't matter because I don't like the product
>>334320063
Who are you quoting?
>>334319319
Well fucking put.
Good debate points.
>>334320163
I'm obviously answering to another post. Read it again and think about it.
>>334319659
I like games and I'm not a fucking cheapass that takes the law in its hand however he likes
>>334320163
>greentexts can only be used for direct quotes
>>334320000
> quads used to edit a typo
>Caring about anything to do with a shit mmo
lol
more like
>and if you go home and make your own angry whopper we will send you a cease and desist for having the nerve to make your own burger.
>>334320259
You didn't answer anything. You put words in my mouth.
If you can't figure out how to implement a poll announcement in a game where most of your players are afk you're useless. Even ching-chong korean free to plays can do it without being obnoxious.
>>334319319
They played on Nostalrius because they're manchildren that can't let go of the past and they're dumb enough to think playing an old version of a game will make them feel like a teenager again.
You tried.
>>334320578
>You put words in my mouth.
You said to implement a poll in game. I said you probably shouldn't do that and gave you a reason why.
>>334299521
no hamburgers that could have been sold to paying customers were stolen. the make and model of hte hamburgers stolen are older than u at this point. the only reason said hamburgers are seen as a threat is because, similar to mc donalds, the vanilla wow burger has somehow retained its burgerness over countless years. if someone is using an old burger than u shoulda depreciated and written off years ago in a way that spooks you, then you should probably a) start serving the old burger again, or b) get out of the kitchen
>>334320305
Good, I also like to pay for the things I enjoy (I think that's what you meant).
Playing vaporware isn't quite "taking the law into your hands" though, imo
>>334320720
>Interfering in your customer experience in a customer centric business approach doesn't matter "because I don't like the product"
Is putting words in my mouth.
Fuck off, learn to read what you type nigger.
>>334320810
Old versions of WoW aren't Vaporwave because the game never changed.
Expansions aren't standalone games, I can't buy WotLK and only experience 70-80. It's the same game from November 2004 expanded upon 5 times so far.
>>334320878
>because the playerbase is too busy jacking off in their garrison
So you can quip, but I can't? Get that stick out of your ass
>>334320710
I know acting like you're a corporate fanboy on /v/ is a good way to rile people up, but if you don't want to give your troll game away quite too easily you have to at least pretend like you are adressing their arguments and not just spouting memes
>>334321051
It's literally not the same game.
>>334321062
Garrisons as a fact have made the game very idle-based. You can take advantage of that.
I don't see why you can't read between the lines but I sure as fuck wouldn't want you analyzing my polls if you're this much of a dipshit. I bet it's morons like you that are running the game into the ground.
>>334321149
it literally is, you fucking faggot
It still says WoW on the box, WoD is a subtitle. It's fucking WoW and you're a fucking moron.
>>334321149
remember when you buy a game you're just buying a license to play it, you're not actually buying the game
>I would like an Angry Whopper
>we don't serve those anymore, sorry
>well fine, I'll just go home and make my own
>you can't do that, that's illegal, we'll shut you down for copyright infringement
>ok fine but I'm willing to pay for Angry Whoppers you think you could put them back on the menu
>you don't want an Angry Whopper sir
>but I do
>nuh uhVIDEO GAMES
>>334319997
...this actually got a chuckle out of me.
>>334321237
>you can't read between the lines
And you can't read the fucking lines. I'm not saying it can't be done because I can't think of how to do it, I'm telling you it shouldn't be done
>wouldn't want you analyzing my polls
Oh, gee, no, what am I going to do now.
>>334321245
My post is yours, you fucking faggot.
It still says Anonymous on the box, FaG is a subtitle. It's fucking You and you're a fucking moron.
The most autistic anology I have ever read in my entire fucking life it doesn't make any sense what so ever
Are you saying a burger king worker would call the police for saying that I'm going to go home and make my own burger?
At least I know that anti nostfags are all complete fucking retards
Nostalrious: Returns: The Revival: Megamax when?
>go to McDonalds
>order a McRib
>"Sorry sir, we only sell that for a select time every year
fucking gamestop
Well the chinks have went to other private servers
I saw one spamming chat with this website
>>334321502
what a dumb way to admit you lost an argument
>>334321647
This has got to be bait, nobody is this retarded.
>>334321697
look in the mirror
>>334321051
If you really think it's the same game, then you aren't aware of the changes you're referring to. In the third expansion, cataclysm, they literally redid the 1-60 leveling zones. Yes, bc and wotlk are untouched, but vanilla (outside of a few level 60 raids) literally was replaced.
That's not to get into the fact that most classes are drastically different and the talent tree system was replaced with something else as well.
If you want to go a little deeper, the PvP game is also very different and doesn't exist as it once did. Then there's the fact that there is no "level 60 meta game" possible without 60 being max level.
All that said, I poke around modern wow and do arena with my friend. I'm a paying customer for modern wow and I've never used a private server. Blizzard's decision, while within their rights (no one is arguing against that), still stinks.
>>334321776
You people really need to learn semantics.
Expansions expand. There hasn't been 5 sequels to WoW, WoW has been expanded 5 times.
>>334321734
It's literally not the same game. Cataclysm got rid of all the vanilla content. There's nothing in retail that vanilla had. It's not the same game.
I've been away, whats this all about?
>>334321697
he is retarded for spending his time baiting
you are retarded for taking the bait
>>334321915
AQ 20 & 40, BWL, MC, every dungeon that wasn't physically changed.
>>334296847
>Welcome to Burger King, can I take your order?
>Hi, I'd like a Whopper with fries and a drink
>Okay sir, how much shit would you like on your whopper?
>I don't want feces on my whopper I just want a whopper.
>Sorry sir, but all whoppers are now served with shit on them and the meat used will be over a decade old. That will be $15 dollars a month plus extra for your sides and there will be a one-time charge so you can enjoy the most recent fecal matter. When you pull around to pay and receive your order our staff will not talk to you.
Meanwhile, someone builds a burger, from scratch, that resembles the whopper the customer wanted and gets threatened with legal action.
>>334321894
One of those expansions deleted two entire continents and replaced them.
I don't understand what's so difficult to understand. You CAN'T play vanilla on live servers outside of 3 raid instances
>>334322130
Sorry, 4 raids. Forgot AQ was 2 separate raids
>>334321992
They may as well not exist at all since they pose no challenge and the rewards you get don't matter in the current state
>>334322130
Sorry, 4 raids. AQ was 2.
Not to mention naxx is gone and that was the end all of pve content so you can't even pretend to play vanilla raid progression on live
>>334317694
That wasn't me
>>334322324
Literally there for xmog and pets
>>334296847
>Food analogy
>>334322324
>"they literally removed all content"
>"No they didn't"
>"w-well it doesn't matter anyway!"
Still the same game, end of discussion.
>>334297547
>So if I take Bloodborne, steal the source code
To steal the source code you would have to gain access to whatever server From is hosting it on and since it's likely in-house you might have to break in to their offices first
No, the compiled game does not have the source code in it
>>334321472
You're going to bend over backwards because you're a retard. I only bang dumb sluts.
But that's beside the point, "shouldn't" be done? That's about as "shouldn't" be done as Nostalrius' shutdown. That was a money-making opportunity and Blizzard threw it and more of its reputation out the window. Now you're telling me that you shouldn't just have it among the news bulletins when the player logs in, or on an in-game bulletin with other announcements?
You can't even argue why, you're just going "nuh uh" like a petulant child.
>its a food analogy thread
>>334322464
But they did remove it
Just because you say they didn't doesn't mean it's true.
>>334322740
Yeah you're right AQ BWL and MC are gone
What was I thinking being in them on Tuesday
>>334322498
>That's about as "shouldn't" be done as Nostalrius' shutdown. That was a money-making opportunity and Blizzard threw it and more of its reputation out the window
Irrelevant to the current discussion. Besides the origin of the discussion we're having was to whether or not legacy servers were actually a "money making opportunity".
>Now you're telling me that you shouldn't just have it among the news bulletins when the player logs in, or on an in-game bulletin with other announcements?
To advertise a poll and to make a poll is a different thing. We were talking about making a poll in game, which shouldn't be done. As to my reasons I gave them here >>334320063
>>334322464
> Nintendo starts selling lost levels, but still calls it "Super Mario Bros"
> it's the same game!
>>334306156
Auchindoun was FOUR FUCKING DUNGEONS in TBC. It should have enough in there to host an entire raid.
>>334322868
I never said anything about an in-game poll, I said advertising it in the game.
Stop putting words in my mouth, shill.
>>334322808
literally the only raids from classic that are still there the way they used to
>market provided product people wanted
>communists at blizzard shut it down
fucking leftists
>>334323037
then there's literally still Vanilla content in the game.
Literally still the same game.
>food analogy
Here I'll do it right:
>Hey welcome to Mcdonalds how can I help you?
>Hey I'd like your cheeseburger they are pretty good
>Oh sorry we don't serve those anymore
>Really? But I see you have the ingredients right there you could easily make one
>NOPE sorry but hey we can serve you our new burger! It's called the Literal Shit Aids Burger for 39.99$ + tip + subscription
>Nah, that looks fucking gross.Can't I just have the burger I liked? Me and lot of other people would pay for it
>YOU THINK YOU WANT THAT BUT YOU DONT
>Go home
>Make a burger that reminds me of the burger I enjoyed
>Friends like my burger
>Share burgers with my friends
>Get a cease and desist
>>334306156
it's not about it being a circle
the circle was split up into 4 parts and was a lot bigger
the new auchindoun is a joke
>>334323107
>Literally still the same game.
no
retard
>>334323037
You can't actually do them as intended though. They're one shot speed run fests. They're only physically/visually the same. The similarities end there.
>>334323223
t. retard that doesn't know how MMOs work
>>334323285
It's like you're having an imaginary argument in your head. Your replies don't make any sense in the context of what you're quoting. No one says expansions don't exist and that MMOs don't evolve. Quite the contrary. That's the problem
>>334323015
>I said advertising it in the game.
Fair enough.
>shill
What is it with buttblasted blizzfag? You're the one playing 10 years old blizzard game and dying to give them your money again.
What happened to wow?
>>334323680
>he put on his big boy pants and gives me a real insult
Good job you deserve a promotion. I got better things to do.I've mostly just been blowing hot air while downloading more clients for bootleg servers, thanks for the entertainment.
>>334323895
Whatever makes you sleep at night
I am eating at Burger King tomorrow.
>>334323873
Food analogies
>>334296847
>telling the customer what they want
That's the only thing you got right about this food analogy
"You think you want it but you don't"
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