both
Dex, only casuals get hit.
Str for PVE. Dex for PVP
>>334287339
STR is actually great for PVE
but DEX will forever be king in pvp, good luck hitting any non-braindead player with a strength weapon
>>334287339
Roll roll attack
Speed
>>334287535
This
Why is this a debate?
This is why you make a PVE character and a PVP one.
str mostly
just feels more satisfying when you hit opponents and take a good chunk of their health rather than chipping away for an eternity
>>334287752
I always beat the game first with a STR and then make a dex one, but now since Das2 and 3 I can just respec and move points from str into dex
Is FAI good in 3?
Can you respec in das3? I haven't even seen the option yet
>>334288178
literally no. Waste of a stat investment on my first run.
>>334288352
Yes, but only a limited number of times, from Rosario.
>>334288670
>Waste of a stat investment on my first run.
I did fine as FAI on my first blind run on 2, what changed?
>>334288670
how limited? full respec once? respec 5 stat points? do you have to get some stupidly rare item for it?
Only souls game ive played is Bloodborne, where END is a pretty meaningless stat to put that many points into.
How many points should I be puttting into END as a Knight?
>>334290079
full respec, five times, per game
NG+ resets your count
>>334290187
It's just as pointless to level in DaS 3, get it up to 20 and forget about it.
it doesn't really matter seeing as you can turn any weapon into a STR, DEX or quality one with infusion
Can you get all stats to 9999999 and still invade people like in 2?
>>334290387
It matters because Dex weapons will benefit more from infusion while also being faster than STR weapons switched over to Dex.
>>334288178
No. Int and Faith are broken and most sorceries and miracles are bad or acquired very late.
I'll just level them both to 50. If that is the soft cap in this game.
>>334290570
I recall in 2 lightning enchant or whatever scaled off FAI, isn't this the case anymore?
>>334290570
Being Sorcerer doesn't get fun until 3/4 of the game has passed, I don't know how people says that magic is for Casuals.
>>334290267
Neat! seem a bit excessive with 5 full respecs but im not gonna complain
STR, because i'm not shit.
both, unless you're doing a "weapon stat/magic stat" playthrough, you'll have plenty of points for both and you can benefit much more from scaling with refined gems.
>>334287339
Dex don't decrease dodging cost and really it just increases damage now just like strength so really Dex wins. The weapons attack faster and use less stamina and deal just as much damage. Most Dex weapons have shit like poison and bleeding too.
Only thing strength weapons have is breaking guard. But with the Kick ring who fucking cares.
>>334291062
Because it supposedly was in previous games. That being said, i generally enjoy the overly OP strategy of hugging and circle strafing every enemy to death.
>>334291062
Magic was for casuals in the last 2 games.
you only had limited magic then but you saved them for bosses and hard enemies. they fucking wrecked bosses and the hard enemies while you picked off the small fries with Magic weapons you forged.
In this one you can have all the fucking magic in the fucking world so they nerfed the ever loving fuck out of spells.
>>334287339
doesnt matter just use the dupe glitch and get verything to lvl 50
>>334293363
WHAT DUPE GLITCH
>>334293169
Magic weapons wasn't so avaliable early on the 2 games either, I know because I play as Sorcerer my first run and then as Knight and trust me knight is Easy mode aganist Sorcerer.
>>334287339
>>334293613
Dupe boss souls.
>>334293663
Well. Early game everything is a cake walk anyway. Just stab some fuckers with a rapier or what the fuck ever and spam magic at bosses until you get magic weapons and better spells.
rinse repeat until Credits.
>>334287579
>Using BKGS
>knock guy off a ledge
>he camps down there
>plunging attack as he pokes his head out
So satisfying. But yeah 99% of PvPers use katanas and I can't hit them most of the time with a UGS, so I switch to dark sword, which isn't bad.
>>334293828
That's my point, even when early game is a cake is a bigger cake as something as a knight, a Sorcerer gets the shaft because the limited damage output and limited spells, as soon "it can catch up" the knight with magic weapons Knight already has something equivalent or better than a magic weapon, people who bitch about magic being OP are thiae who use it as a second resource and nit primary damage output.
>>334294302
>t. retard that doesn't know about weapons that scale with int/faith
>Killed Pontiff
>Invaded by whatever faction is in that area
>He's a DEX build w/ dual wielding swords
>I'm STR build with tons of HP and a great sword
>Start the fight by using the power special on the great sword
>Leap onto him and smash him into the ground
>Hit him 3 times after that
>Dead
>Didn't even get to use his Estus
Get fucked inferior builds.
>>334287339
>gameofthronesfight.webm
>>334287339
>2016
>STILL playing the game incorrectly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqacyIaq27o
>>334295138
How does that guy have so much poise with no armor?
>>334295505
hacks
>>334295138
>2016
>STILL at all caring about the OG dks
Anyone find any good strength weapons? I've been using the large club but it's not as good as it was in DS2. I'm just using the Zweihander now until I find something better.
>>334287339
>tfw Farron Greatsword is a DEX weapon
>>334294302
It get progressively harder to play Melee builds in Souls games. While Mages cake walk themselves through everything while getting progressively stronger magic and weapons. Pure melee builds still need to get up close and personal with bosses and the tough enemies. Putting themselves in harms way deliberately because they have no other choice, Mage just prance around in the edges of arenas and fire off a lightning bolt or spirit arrow. melee builds have to worry about whether or not the boss has a OHKO attack they can barely dodge or if it is even possible to block anything.
DS3 they gave the middle finger to mages and made blocking amazing.
>>334295138
>tfw this was the first dark souls video I saw
>>334287339
fast str, or in other words straight swords. Refined Longsword has strength scaling over dex and it does good base damage aswell.
>>334287339
Str is also viable in DS3 though.I have been pvping with my claymore only lost once over 2 hours of pvp.
The introduction of Heavy, Sharp, and Refined gems have changed the PVP game.
Now shit you wouldn't expect to get A or S scaling now do.
>>334293738
That works in DaS3? That shit is the only way I can replay DaS1 since learning about it
>>334295138
beautiful
Has anybody found a good strength weapon yet? I'm still using the great club and i'm fightingLorian, Elder prince
>>334295138
Those videos were gold. I still find the tribe and the Muscle miners funny.
>>334290387
yeah but not the good ones aka boss soul weapons
I'm a warrior and using my starting battle axe. When will I find a better weapon? I've found a broadsword and long sword but don't think they're better.
>>334296552
This is such bullshit. The most broken weapons in DaS and DaSII far outclassed anything mages could do, except GRS and Sunlight Spear (only cause everything in Drangleic was weak to lightning) pre-patch in II. The easiest runs I ever had were pure strength runs using the Demon Great Hammer, Black Knight Halberd, Dragon's Tooth, etc... where you hit for 500+ as early as Sen's Fortress and everything that doesn't die in one hit is pancaked.
The "magic is easy mode" meme only comes from the fact that you can cheese/glitch a lot of enemies from range
>>334287339
Quality
>>334300726
The fact you can do big damage from far away is exactly where "magic is easy mode" came from, yes. Glad we're on the same page. Magic is easy mode.
>>334300726
Yeah, the thing people forget is that strength builds require so few stats to be viable, you're free to put levels into END and VIT, whereas mages have to spend all of that on caster stats, as well as buying the actual spells
>>334299340
I have the butcher knife at +6 right now and it scales with A, I assume this will turn into an S at some point, maybe somebody can confirm this.
>>334295138
FAGGOT BRUCE
>>334301180
Except it's not anywhere close to the damage output of a 2H STR weapon in any of the games, and it doesn't incapacitate them. Also most enemies, especially in III, don't stay at range for any significant amount of time.
>Glad we're on the same page
We're not on the same page, because you pulled that statement out of your ass. I said it came from being able to CHEESE enemies from range, which you can do (more slowly) with bows/crossbows as well. Picking off archers in unreachable spots for example, or dragging larger enemies into doorways and chipping away at them.
>>334287807
This
>>334290478
No it goes by lol now
>>334295138
Holy fuck that's hilarious.
>>334301841
I don't know why you're getting so asshurt about this, anon-senpai. Any dumb scrub can build a mage in the old souls game and get by without having to move in and actually learn what an enemies moves and patterns are.
You're not thinking dumb enough. Sure, you min/max and strength just shits on everything but magic is considered easy mode because you don't even need the mental faculties to understand scaling.
Heavy dark sword here. Dark sword is fucking amassing and it gets A rank scaling with heavy.
What's the generic longsword battle art? Is it as goat as it was in 2? Alsi, any word of the winged spear being in again?
>>334302250
>put points into strength
>equip big weapon
>requiring any amount of thought or skill whatsoever
You literally have no argument. Strength builds don't have to learn enemy attack patterns either because every enemy is either dead, staggered or pancaked after a single R2. I've played both games over a dozen times each and strength runs are considerably easier than any mage build, min/max or not.
>>334302727
Stop being so mad, anon. At least you have to walk up to an enemy and get hit on accident. It's not a hard argument to understand. I don't even necessarily agree with it, but they way it makes people seething with anger is funny.
Remember, /v/ is normieville now. Anyone that streams Souls and gets views will state that "if you think the games are really hard, just make a magic build and then try something else after you've cleared it once." I've heard it. You just gotta hold that parroting.
So literally everyone uses Greatswords, then?
>>334302250
>>334302956
Not him, but "umad" makes you seem really pathetic and desperate.
>>334302956
No one is mad, but you haven't made a single legitimate point as to magic builds being easier than strength builds.
>At least you have to walk up to an enemy and get hit on accident
You're pretending like mages can sit at 50 yard range and fire spells against every enemy. They can't. Almost every enemy and boss in every souls game has a gap closer, with some being flat out insanely fast and impossible to kite (like the dogs). Mages mostly fight at medium range, which is usually within most enemy's kill zones. Not to mention they get hit far harder than any strength build were, due to not having enough points to put in VIT/VIG/END and having to wear shitty low-armor mage gear.
The fact that you just keep posting irrelevant garbage tells me that you haven't even played the game using any of the builds you're arguing about.
>>334302956
>Anyone that streams Souls and gets views will state that "if you think the games are really hard, just make a magic build and then try something else after you've cleared it once."
no one has ever said that lol. if the games are too tough you just summon, you don't switch your entire fucking build. especially in das
Quality
>>334303640
Lobos had said it before. Avoiding the puddle says it all the damn time.
>>334303919
source? regardless, people thinking magic is easier does not mean that magic is easier
>>334303492
I'm not the same anon from >>334296552
or >>334293169. They said why a lot of people agree magic is much easier than melee and you've continuously responded with grandiose "nuh-uh." Even if a ultra weapon splats something, you still had to walk up to it and you can't splat a boss.
Magic lets you outrange any melee mob and safely hit bosses at least once before they put you in range of something.
And yes, I have. Everyone has played the souls games. Several times even.
>>334293169
really? i'm doing a mostly sorceror build right now, i feel like the spells are pretty strong (I just got to first boss after the tutorial) but i can't use them nearly as often as i'd like so I have to rely on my crappy melee
>>334304674
You can poisebreak bosses extremely easily with greathammers
>>334304674
You can stagger bosses, and not being able to pancake them isn't really an argument against being able to one-shot/pancake literally every other enemy in the game.
Are quality weapons shit in dark souls 3? I love doing 40/40 and getting some B/A weapon, if possible.
>pvp
I'm perma offline so it's just for PvE anyway
Why is the broadsword so fucking BASED?
LITERALLY and OBJECTIVELY the single BEST weapon in the game/
>>334305078
>>334305352
Look, same anon or not, this is past silly. Difficulty is subjective. The posts that started this conversation said magic was easier because you don't even have to be near danger to do substantial damage. I happen to agree. However, yes, Stronk weapons do massive damage and knock dregs around. Still you can't seem to argue against the fact that you are putting yourself is far more danger with them because you have to be in something's face. Being able to splat and poisebreak an enemy also isn't an argument against the fact that you can soul spear any mob from three times the range it can hope to have. That's why this conversation is still going and can keep going. And don't act like MGK/FTH scale weapons also can't hurt like fuck.
>>334306038
You can't go through an entire area with souls spears. Not to mention that's a 40 int spell vs a 25 str weapon, or 14 if you use something like the great club
>the fact that you are putting yourself is far more danger with them because you have to be in something's face
You also take far more damage if you get hit thanks to weaker armor and lower health. I'm not sure why you think being in melee range vs. a flattened enemy is more dangerous than flinging spells
What should I use after the uchi? Just beat the abyss watchers
Would a 40/40 str/dex scaling weapon with C/C do more damage than, say, a STR weapon with A scaling at 40 STR? I'm never sure if to do quality or just heavy/sharp
>>334306038
>hurr u r retarded
>this conversation is stupid
>stop arguing
>keeps making posts
>>334306558
In DS1 you could have a fat stack of projectiles and roll the moment you think you're in danger. Which is likely why they consumed a bit of stamina in 2.
I can't understand why you think chucking spells from further than anything can touch you isn't safer than having to walk up to a group of enemies and swing. Which is why we're still doing this.
>>334306895
You're right. I can't stop. I'm here to kill time, right?
>>334305874
I personally prefer longsword moveset, broadsword just feels awkward and shitty
>>334302293
Yes, Patches sells it
>Not specing pure Vitality / HP.
Do you even tank?
>White phantom ring
>Mad covenant
>Genuinly bro-op with host for 30 minutes
>Show him a cool hidden path with treasure
>I kill him when it hurts the most
Dex and 2kat because I am physically incaple of moving past my Demon's Souls mindset.
>>334308002
>>334301292
If you heavy infuse that will bring it up to s scaling
>>334308002
>>334308002
Your summon sign is still purple, he shouldn't of been surprised when you turned on him.
>>334308668
lmao 2kat!
2KAT!!
>>334310470
People spam summon signs all the time, they'll probably think I'm the white one they summoned.
Or have no idea what the purple sign does since it can attack enemies.
>>334287339
Invest in luck.
are pyromancies any good in ds3? also do they scale with any stats these days?
>>334302286
When does the heavy go from B to A scaling? Mine is +3 right now with B
>>334287579
>moment they attack, attack back
I win in exchanges because 65 fucking poise, stupid fucking stability, and a big fucking axe.
Then I stunlock 3 shot them, dex fags are cute.
>>334306802
Historically pure scaling nets higher damage than quality, but the autists haven't picked apart this game yet
>>334290187
sadly it's also shitty in DaS3
aside from the level design, this is my biggest complaint when compared to the first DaS. I feel like I'm always playing as an asthmatic.
>>334313148
Unhealthy Choices is looking like a midboss.
>>334311676
scales with both Int and Dex.
I honestly don't understand the change. iirc it was in DaS2 as well, but Pyromancy is supposed to be the weaker but more easily available magic.
When you cause it to require such heavy investment it ruins the point of it.
>tfw the whip is fucking based
I didn't expect to be doing a Belmont run my first time through the game, but here I am.
>>334289027
lightning bolts are no longer laughably broken
>>334287339
Both are boring.
Faith/Int 4 lyfe.
>>334313567
>Dex
I meant Faith, god I need to go to sleep
> DEX builds
I rolled a STR/FAITH build and I regret every minute of it.
Faith is shit except heals.
STR is shit except Quality builds or Butcher's Knife
I'm just going to restart.
>muh big weapons
easy mode cause you literally never have to think about stats. and you're a dead duck in pvp.
>>334314069
>muh pvp
Everyone point and laugh.
>>334314069
tell that to the PvP scene in DaS1 with Zweihanders and Claymores.
>>334310470
Seriously who the shit summons those guys except people looking for PvP?
>>334314175
is this 1 nigger?
no fucking shit 1 is infested with those shitters cause of le big dad meme >>334313858
A T T E N T I O N
A T T E N T I O N
A T T E N T I O N
How do I aim the bow in first person?
>Summon Mad Phantom Lord Farquaad?
YES.
>>334313669
I hate the whips still.
All that had to do was import the tricked Pimp Cain from Bloodborne but instead we still get the janky ass Dark Souls whips.
>>334314306
L1/LB if you're two handing it and using a controller.
>>334314372
>hating whips
Did you even use the fucking r2 chain you massive faggot?
Literally the biggest gayest range in game, largest sweep fucked decons with it.
>>334314372
the DaS3 whip is better than Threaded Cane, it has an absolutely huge horizontal range, and extends quite a bit forward as well.
a Belmont Run has never been more fun
>>334314453
Much appreciated
>>334290781
You can have a lightning infusion that gets rids of scaling, but gives more base damage
Or you can have a lightning infusion that lowers that base damage, but scales lightning with FTH
>>334290289
>>334313405
Why is it pointless to level? Isn't more endurance always good? More attacks, more blocking?
What are the best Dex weapons?
>>334314584
Wow it must be real good if it beat deacons!
>>334315024
The greatsword you get from the second or third boss soul.
It's a copy-paste of the Drangleic Sword with Stance ability.
I have a weapon with 280 base and +120 bonus damage. If I try to infuse with a raw gem for example the menu says 280 + 120 -> 350. It doesn't show the bonus damage, but is it there? Otherwise all these infusions just make my weapon worse. What's the point of that?
>>334314931
In Bloodborne, the amount of Endurance you start with is more than enough to complete the entire fucking game, most weapons don't drain it that fast, you have pretty much unlimited quickdodges, and you'll want to be getting Visceral Attacks more than just mashing R1 anyways.
In both games, the amount of Endurance you actually get by leveling up is so fucking small and pitiful that it's useless, plus Endurance isn't tied to Equip Load making it even less worthwhile.
It's not that the stat itself isn't worth it, you run out of stamina in DaS3 much faster than in BB. But for the amount of points it takes to get it to a decent level, you could be outright quadrupling your health or attack power instead.
>>334315024
Uchigatana and Whip are your early game go-tos.
>>334315269
Raw weapons don't scale.
Infusions are for making weapons that are good for your build better.
If you're a DEX build, you find a DEX weapon and infuse it with Sharp and it will scale like crazy with your stats.
If you're low on stats right now, then infusing won't do much for you.
I legitimately can't decide what kind of build to go with.
I usually do STR but I'm up to the swamp and its been insanely boring.
Meanwhile I tried out the Rapier and boy oh boy that stance art gives me a boner.
Scythe seems pretty cool too.
So do spears.
And the twin scimitars.
And the Thrall Axe/anything with Quickstep
fuck
>>334314028
>str is shit
You what? Str is better than ever. Even the Dark Sword gets good str scaling.
I did Dex because I like to rely onl my rolling and stamina combos for PvP.
But STR is usually super fun.
>>334290079
>>334290267
You need to get Tongue's, like 10?
>>334296779
They were in Demon's so it was disappointing when we got to Dark and it was better to get a lightning Zwei.
>>334316242
You can respec early but I went Knight because of the respec allocation.
It's good for STR and Dex, I'm Dex RN with Great Scythe, Uchi, and Painted Guardian
>>334315269
Infusion is a tradeoff. Basically you can give up scale for more damage, or you can give up base damage for better scaling.
This like raw and flat elemental damage are useful if you're making a low level character, or VIG/END/VIT gouging
>>334317012
Does respec let you remake your character visually? Or is it just stats.
Because if I'm gonna respec I'd like to change him from Hobo barbarian to fancypants.
Also I have to like murder people to respec don't I?
I'm shit at PvP
>50 STR to hold
>149 base damage at +0
What in the fuck is this?
>>334318247
Didn't it get nerfed last week? It used to be the best UGS iirc
>>334307816
This anon is right. What are you wasting thousands of souls just to pump your damage by 2 or 3 a SL when you can pump your tank by 15-30 HP a SL?
Not doing enough damage? Buy better stuff.
Asked in the general but that shit moves too fucking fast:
Restarting a QUAL or DEX build (I missed out on the Moundmakers anyways and I wanted to try that shit early).
I'm thinking of going with thrusting swords because I fucking love the animations and stances. Fancy pants kind of shit.
What kind of stats should I be looking into? Aiming for DEX or Quality overall? Faith? Magic? Pyromancy?
are caetus a meme weapon or are they close to the whirlwind of destruction they were in ds2?
>Just about to finish these fags first time
>Move far enough away my lock goes and the camera swings round so I don't see the soul spear coming
At least it'll be easy next time
>>334319250
They're pretty decent except:
- Now even D STR/DEX instead of high STR scaling.
- Machine gun punches have shit poise break.
- Heavy tripple spin replaced with a shit Poise Boost art that sucks fucking dick.
Still fun to use but not as good I'd say.
>>334287339
dex weapons seem way more fun
any dex weapons that work well with a lightning infusion guys?
What Ultra Greatsword should I roll with? I'm using Zweihander and fucking loving it. Is it balls compared to the rest, though? Also, is Vit worth raising much?
>>334318247
The moveset is great. I still used it even when it can't 2 shot people now. Too bad everyone just pumps everything into End so it's next to impossible to actually hit anything.
so I just beat the big tree with my 30 STR character and got vordt's hammer and upgraded it to +1, it's fun but I have a fair bit of titanite shards and infusion stone things, are there any other fun weapons I should try and upgrade for a STR build? I'm mostly interested in heavy infusion, I just sent greirat on his first pillaging mission so maybe he'll come back with something good I could buy off him
>>334287579
Just put your weapon in the left hand, most players will get confused and roll into your attack.
I am having a great time. Pretty great bosses throughout, but one thing is bothering me.
Anyone else feel like Yorhm and Abyss Walkers got fucking gypped for being lords? The profane capital was tiny and the boss battle with the walkers felt pretty sudden.
What makes it worse is that Aldrich gets his own fucking cathedral he's not even in, a comfy ice town, and Anor Londo.
