Enter the Gungeon thread!
>Favorite Class
>Favorite Gun
>Favorite Passive
Go
>>334285725
Is this being viralled here?
I do like the idea of the game, but it doesn't look a whole lot different than nuclear throne.
>>334285958
As a fan of both Gungeon is much better.
Not only is it actually complete, it just has loads more to do and the guns are much more interesting.
I'm not trying to viral it, I've just been wanting to talk about it for the past couple days. I assumed it would have been talked about more here.
>I assumed it would have been talked about more here.
Where have you been? There's been multiple gungeon threads a day since it came out.
>>334286665
well I guess I've been missing them then which is a shame.
Heck I even started one yesterday that didn't even get a reply.
Is co-op decent? I really want to play the game and co-op would sell me on it.
>>334287115
It's offline only unfortunately. But other then that it plays pretty much how you would expect it to.
>>334285958
doubt it is viralled, it has been on steam's top seller list for almost two weeks. someone has to be playing it. considering buying it myself.
>>334286117
The guns are shit. Don't lie
>>334287115
Literally just tried it a few hours ago, and it's well handled, no problems whatsover. Great time guaranteed if both people enjoy the solo game.
>>334285958
Never played Nuclear Throne because I thought Wasteland Kings was trash. I can only say that it is completely different than Wasteland Kings. It is much more like the binding of isaac. I like it so far but it's really hard. There are tons of awesome guns and plenty of funny puns.
I had an idea the other day, and a while back, but how would Anons here feel about RPGMaker versions of games like NT and Enter the Gungeon, that have the lore for shit like that, but really don't flesh it out enough?How would you feel about an expansive RPGMaker game that goes through NT, EtG, and Isaac, collecting allies, items, and shit from all 3?
>Favorite Class
Pilot
>Favorite Gun
Figthsabre
>Favorite Passive
The one that makes you shoot more bullets
My favorite active is decoy as well.
>>334288017
Congrats, Anon, nowCollect the Sixth Chamber and kill the Lord of the Jammed.
I really want to like it, but I don't like it.
>>334287743
how so? There's some really creative guns in there.
>>334285725
>Favorite Class
Hunter
>Favorite Gun
Beholster pistol or light gun
>Favorite passive
scattershot
>>334287942
As always if it's done well I'd be down for that.
>>334288017
How would Active Decoy help against the Dragun?
Wouldn't the bullet swarm just go around it like normal?
>>334288583
It doesn't help it was either that or lockpick. Didn't find any other actives. Helps against every other boss and room though.
>>334288763
>lockpick
>breaks 99% of things used on
>>334288763
Oh okay, that makes sense.
question then, how long does it last? Just curious if it would be better then invincibility then.
>>334289363
It's literally a 50 50.
Played it a for few hours and I'm kinda bored with it
Is there supposed to be any progression between levels? I'm a shitter so I haven't completed boss in the second level yet, and so far I get no incentive to go in again
I just start the game, play until I die and then leave it again
>inb4 git gud
I don't want to spend the time to get good at this game. the individual runs are simply not entertaining enough so I was hoping for some cool upgrades/changes that I could bring to new runs
>>334289503
Have the developers said this? Cause I'm up to 40 locks picked, 28 failed.
>>334285725
>ClassI can't decide, I really like them all, event Convict due to her starting pistol
>Gun
Fightsaber and Scrambler
>Passive
Candy
>>334289553
Yes, once you unlock the Robot and the Princess, they let you unlock stuff with those Credits from killing bosses.
They can appear on floor 2 or lower in a Prison locked by a Gold Key, which can drop from any enemy, but normally from the Boss.
You also get access to a guy who will make a shortcut to lower floors for you if you perfect the first floor Boss.
>>334289554
15 locks picked, 14 failed here
>>334289382
Until whatever kills it. 1st boss will shoot it for awhile, ammo condo will run its face into it for about 5 seconds, tank will destroy it in one hit with the big bullet but distracts the homing bullet, priest will kill it with his gun head shot but everything else takes more shots. Rooms will run after it if you drop it somewhere and let's you kill everything and can take about 5 bullets
>>334289363
With the new update I always have keys and use it on shit brown chests
>>334289826
What would you say if I told you Brown Chests are better than Green/Blue, because they have a pool of good, solid guns and no gimmick shit?
Also,
>Origuni with Exploding Bullets
THEY. EXPLODE. AND KEEP FLYING.
>>334289554
That's not how chance works.
>>334290039
And? It should average out to 1/2 given infinite uses.
At the moment, I'm running closer to 75%.
>>334289952
I would say I mostly get shit from them and isn't worth the key
>>334290039
Games often manipulate random numbers to make them more consistent. No one likes failing 10 locks in a row
>>334290202
The odds of getting an outlier like that is roughly 1 in 200. Considering there's tens of thousands of players, it's not unlikely.
Off to a good start today.
>>334290629
Fair enough.
I'm going to continue my data amassment, playing this shithead.
Wew lads 2nd kill in 2 days.Rage inducing photo is one of my favorite items even if it means you sucked shit and got hit.
>>334290697
How did you get your pistol to slot 3?
>>334289632
You like Convict BECAUSE of her starting pistol?
It's shit. Why?
>>334290893
It's the highest damage starting weapon if you tapshoot it.
>>334288434
>light gun
Is that not trash? I always thought it was trash.
>>334290932
I agree with the damage since it's the fastest firing pistol, however the bullet deviation forces you to get up close to enemies often resulting in loss of DPS in longer distances and accidental damage.
>>334290946
Not that giy, but I think it is trash
>>334290893
>Anon can't spam click his pistols
Spam clicking can increase your DPS up to 10 fold on some guns.
Convict and Hunter pistols fire much faster spam clicking than holding down and can clear rooms much faster than Marine/Pilot pistols.
Also, Marine Pistol takes 6 shots to kill a Floor 1 Red Shotgun Kin, all other guns take 5.
>>334290643
Oddly I don't enjoy the Banana against bosses.
Great Room Clearer tho.
>>334290815
Think it just randomizes where you shit is at that screen cause nothing is in the order I got it.
>>334290946
The duck actually does pretty decent damage
>>334291109
I know about spam clicking, the bullet deviation ticks me off through.
I do love myself hunters revolver through. Can't pick up Marine whatsoever because of how slow his gun is.
>>334291176
>The duck actually does pretty decent damage
Yeah but you get like 150 bullets and one duck per clip.
Compared to something like the M16 which can fire 3 grenades every 2 reloads and has 500 bullets, it just seems like trash.
>>334285725
>Favorite Class
Convict. The rage passive can be pretty insane with the right weapons. I do think Hunter is the best though.
>Favorite Gun
Stinger. With the right passives it can be really good. Any bee gun really.
>Favorite Passive
More bullets I guess.
>>334290039
I've never had it work a single time in like 10 runs as the Pilot, so I fucking gave up on that for now. I'll try him more once I get a clear on the Marine or Hunter I guess.
>>334285725
Has it been updated recently? Been thinking about buying it on GoG but a few indie games burned me when I bought them there by not updating as often as Steam.
>>334291302
It's not great but it's still solid against bosses. The duck lasts a while.
>>334291521
It gets at least two updates a week it seems.
>>334291302
Better than that, fire 1 bullet, reload, fire 3 grenades, reload, repeat.
>>334291521
It's been updated 4 times since release with minor patches (nerfing a boss people were having problems with, a gun that was too good was added to a higher tier cause OP, keys were made more common near the start, etc.
>>334291521
It's not in Early Access. They did a patch or two that tweaked a few things though, mostly bug/exploit fixes.
>>334291219
>Can't pick up Marine whatsoever because of how slow his gun is.
But his range, Ammo Capacity and Accuracy are way better then all the rest.
>>334291720
Plus his accuracy and reload speed bonuses that carry over to all guns.
>>334291720
>Ammo
That's Pilot's thing.
Marine is Accuracy and reload speed.
>>334286117
Nuclear Throne in its current state is much more "complete" than Gungeon. Gungeon has terrible balance issues, the enemies are some of the worst bullet sponges I've ever seen. Having a million guns doesn't matter if most of them are just a machine gun that fires a different kind of bullet, and either way, the bullet spongieness of the enemies makes the gunplay feel tedious unless you have one of the OP room clearing weapons, in which case it's too easy.
Seriously, I like both games but Gungeon stops being enjoyable really quick each time I play it, usually around the fourth or fifth run. Nuclear Throne is fast paced and difficult enough that the gameplay is consistently varied, and that you almost don't even think about starting over. Most of the rooms in Gungeon boil down to you sitting in place and dodging easily telegraphed attacks while the enemies tediously soak up bullets.The only real challenge comes from the bosses, and that's usually because they have so much HP that they just outlast you and your resources.
I'll probably keep playing Gungeon for another ten hours or so but there's no way it's going to replace NT as my go to lunch break game.
>>334291720
Yeah. They are. His starting gun still feels like flaccid dildo. What I said is subjective you don't need to twist your panties about it.
>>334291871
I was talking about his Pistol.
Which has the largest clip size.
>class
Marine
>gun
Proton pack
>passive
The one that slows down time and triples bullets when you flip a table
>>334285725
This image makes me throw up
Also I hate "indie" games where the titles are whacky like "dungeon man XD blasty blam blam"
Game looks like aids
>>334291961
Ah, fair enough, although the accuracy isn't better, that's his Passive.
Range is the same as the others and the damage is lower than the other 3.
>>334291903
The problem is Gungeon could be compared to Issac more so then Nuclear Throne.
It's much more like Issac then NT.
And I don't know how a game that isn't even completed yet with almost jack for unlocks can somehow feel like a more complete game then Gungeon.
>>334291903
>lunch break game.
Wasn't really designed as such tbqh.
Game feels a lot more weighted than NT, which I like. And as for repetitiveness, I wouldn't say it's much moreso than it, NT was really pick the same "good" mutations when they popped up, and pick up the good guns till you got the "core" you would use until Loop infinity. I mean, as soon as the loop starts you're going to be taking the EXACT same steps every time you spawn in a stage. Spray until you're low, then switch to you other weapon and smack while getting the drops.
>>334292072
I didn't like that part of it too much before release but it actually does it quite well I think. The references aren't too out of place or forced.
>>334292072
Every thread
>>334292079
>although the accuracy isn't better, that's his Passive.
It's not like you'll ever not have his passive tho.
>Range is the same as the others
Far from it. He has easily the furthest range followed by Huntress, Pilot then Convict.
>>334291981
>Proton pack
Is this actually any good? I never use it after the first time when it was pretty ass.
>>334291903
Gungeon also came out a week ago, it's silly to even compare them. Not to mention that they are completely different games and the main thing they have in common is that there are guns. You're memeing too hard lad, you might hurt yourself.
Mouse/keyboard vs controller?
>>334292472
>it's dumb to expect recent releases to be complete lol every game should come out like a beta
End your life
>>334292496
Mouse and Keyboard is the way to go, but as of right now Controller is super easy mode with the crazy aim assist.
>>334292558
Boo hoo?
>>334291903
>bullet sponge
Agreed. The game feels tedious and the guns are not particularly varied
>le pixel art trash
>>334291302
>get roll reload
>fire ducks every shot
That shit is fun, especially if you get the roll upgrade ring
>>334292761
Roll reload is great, I wish I could find it more often
>mfw I didn't figure out i needed to roll to extinguish being on fire until the 3rd time it killed me
I'm a fucking idiot.
>>334285725
>le quirky humor pixel art indie trash game #402
Wow! Sign me up!
I wouldn't compare this game that much to Nuclear Throne. The gameplay is somewhat like Nuclear Throne but the pacing and dungeon crawling is much more like Binding of Isaac.
Also, this game motivates me to do something that not even BoI did and that is exploring the whole damn floor. Its like there might always be a surprise or a key waiting in the next room.
Is it just me, or does that scarf that turns your roll into a blink feel like a downgrade? Either that or I just can't get used to it. The long range teleport part is nice though.
>>334292434
Curves around walls and homes while doing decent damage.
Lets you fire from cover.
>>334292072
>Also I hate "indie" games where the titles are whacky like "dungeon man XD blasty blam blam"
I think it's okay in this case
they really go in for the gun imagery so it feels like it had some effort put into it
devs said they are changing it soon, haven't unlocked it yet myself ;_;
>>334292186
I agree that Gungeon is more like Isaac or Crypt of the Necrodancer, in that they're more about the huge item pool and tons of unlockables, while NT is a more traditional roguelike in that player skill is more important having pick ups. To that extent, I don't know why your judging NT for not having unlocks. NT feels more complete to me because it's really well balanced.
>>334292860
>Stop
>Drop
>Roll
This is kindergarden stuff manIt killed me once also on the wall
>>334293092
forgot to link post
>>334292941
>>334292661
>and the guns are not particularly varied
Wot?
Gun Godz sums it up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og243Dom4Sw
>>334292848
Only great with the right guns.
>>334292898
art theme is shit tier but to be fair you're not playing these kinds of games for the art
>>334285725
I wish I could always have active reload, it's so good and fun.
>>334292941
>>334293092
It almost ruined my run actually. Kept trying to roll and it would fuck up my own pacing. Took me 3 chambers to finally get used to it. Then pic related.I miss it a lot now
>>334292472
I'm not even memeing guy, I'm just responding to what that other anon said. Gungeon will probably get better but right now it has a lot of undeniable balance issues.
>>334293123
Well I'll agree to disagree then.
>>334293335
>>334293092
>devs said they are changing it soon, haven't unlocked it yet myself ;_;
What for? Is it seen as over powered? also what are they turning it into?
>>334293403
I don't really see them to be honest.
It's like BOI, sure you can get shat on luck wise, but it goes both ways.
>>334293403
Not trying to toss shit everywhere but I don't understand that particular criticism. The game isn't really trying to be 'balanced'. Some runs are going to be harder than others and not all characters are perfectly balanced.
BoI sure as hell wasn't 'balanced' by any means and neither is EtG. I just don't understand the complaint.
>>334293523
no, people said it was too tricky to use with kb+m or something like that so they are going to make it less tricky. can't remember exactly desu but it wasn't a gimp.
>>334294012
Alright good, I love the item, just takes some getting used to.
>>334292319
Yeah but in NT you don't NEED the good weapons and mutations to loop. You can take shit like Gamma Guts and Rad Hunger and still do fine if you're good. In games like Isaac or Gungeon if you get shit drops then you're pretty much fucked. Once again, they're really different games, but I guess I just like being less reliant on RNG.
>>334293639
BoI doesn't make any attempt at balance, you can literally 1 shot the hard boss in the game. I think the difference is it is easy to completely ball out of control in BoI to the point where you can press space and win.
Damn this guy is cute, well worth the $25
>Favorite class
Probably a tossup between the Muhreen and Hunter. Convict's passive isn't for me, and I really dislike Pilot's crap pistol and the super unreliable lockpick.
>Favorite gun
The one that charges up to produce a black hole/blank shot is amazing for clearing rooms, the long charge time makes it kinda suck on bosses where you tend to be rolling a lot more. It's hard to argue against the fightsaber not being one of, if not the best guns overall however.
>Favorite Passive
Probably a lot of the table techs. Useless in boss fights, but damn the focus one is fun to use. and really helpful on chamber 4/5.
>>334294292
>the long charge time makes it kinda suck on bosses where you tend to be rolling a lot more.
You know you can charge while rolling, right? Exception beam weapons like the demon head.
>>334293123
Sure, NT is more balanced but that doesn't mean that Gungeon can't be fun.
Look at Isaac, its a ridiculous imbalanced mess and that is what makes the game fun. Gungeon has those small fluctuations between positively balanced and negatively balanced that make it fun too.
>>334294410
Maybe I'm just retarded, but the dark marker gun seems to not like rolling very much, in fact, you can't even charge it up without firing off at least one shot to start. Next time I get the gun I'll have to test it out.
>>334293639
I'm not saying every item should be equally useful, or that you should be able to win every run. I'm talking about how the enemies, and especially the bosses, are bullet sponges and take way too long to kill, and that the upgrades you get don't really feel like they improve this at all. It's not difficult, it just takes too long. When a bullet kin takes like 5 shots to kill on floor 3 and there's like 4 to a room plus other stronger enemies, the rooms just grind on and on if you don't have good guns.
>>334294640
He's thinking about Reloading not Charging.
If Charging worked well rolling the BSG wouldn't be trash against late game bosses.
>>334289748
Let us know when you've picked 5000 locks and report your findings back here.
>>334294821
I'm not doing a study on the game, just pointing out my extremely bad luck.
>>334294821
which is why the devs should manipulate the rolls so it FEELS more like 50/50
>>334294789
It's a bullet hell game, yes it takes a few minutes to kill a boss. It's a game about dodging bullets, not a game about using chaos card on the hush.
As far as the regular enemies taking a long time to kill, it's simply untrue. Maybe if you're playing as the pilot and using the rogue special in a hollow, but if you're doing that your run is already unless you are amazing at dodging. With even the most average drops, you will be melting shit by the fourth/fifth chambers.
>>334293335
The scarf is a curious case
If you tap RMB, it just is blink dodge roll
If you hold it, it suddenly changes to blink to your cursor, which means you can fuck yourself against bosses
I swear I lost my first Dragun fight because of it, I would try to blink around and be cute but the lack of consistent dodge roll just fucked meI just completed the bullet and killed my first past though
Game has some neat ideas, but there are way too many problems with it for me to even consider playing more than the 5 hours I already have. It's mostly small stuff, but there's a couple huge deal breakers too.
>>334295306
Thanks for expanding on those issues. I completely understand where you're coming from
>start a run
>huge rooms with lots of tedious enemies
>nothing interesting drops
>mediocre weapon from first boss
>every room seems to take twice as long as it should
It's like I'm fucking playing Binding of Isaac again. A shitty start in these type of games is plain frustrating.
>>334295776
they really need to change those fucking blue shotgun kin, they take like 3 crossbow bolts to kill and are fucking everywhere
>>334295776
>>334295306
my favorite part was when you mentioned specifics. epic trolling lad, top kek.
>>334295186
Yeah you shouldn't be able to one shot everything right off the bat but bosses shouldn't take as long as they do either. As I keep saying, the game needs some BALANCE. I agree that it really picks up in the later levels, but that's not where you spend the majority of your time until you git gud.
Also, if this is a bullet hell then it's pretty shit as far as bullet hells go.
>>334296145
It's okay to generalize if it's something that usually happens.
>>334296250
what can I say, I got gud a long time ago.
>>334296365
yeah totes breh!
>>334295776
after 1.04 I had a fantastic run with lots of keys and passives dropping from loot chests after cleared rooms (not great ones but I was happy to get any)
I thought they'd fixed the drop system but it went back to shit after that.
Now I get t-shirt cannons every other game. Fuck t-shirt cannon
I just kinda hate that every second gun is so meh.
>>334296775
t-shirt cannon is amazing on the 2nd and 3rd chambers there are a lot of pits and you can easily push enemies into them with it. it also has a ton of ammo.
>>334295709
>>334296145
>guns can be shot faster by spamming fire
>guns don't automatically reload while holding down fire
>dodging feels clunky
>table flipping is retarded, would prefer having extra space to move around
>controller auto-aim
>no crosshair while using controller so you have to rely on the auto-aim
There's some other minor stuff like reloading and accuracy that I don't like from a gameplay perspective, but they fit the theme of the game so I can't really complain about them
>>334296980
yeah but then you have absolutely no casings
>>334297052
You can adjust auto-aim or turn it off.
>>334297081
You get the casings anyway.
>get to forge on 5th run because ultimate pro
>almost done with floor
>die to bullet kin
>>334297305
>You can adjust auto-aim or turn it off.
Which would be ideal if there was also an option to have a crosshair, but there's not
>you can't kill the rat who tries to steal your shit
fuck this shit
>>334297432
Yes, you can have a crosshair.
>>334285725
Favorite class hunter
Favorite gun starting pistol
Favorite talent doge
Seems about 80% of the time I full clear, get no upgrades, kill the boss, get shit guns. Get bodied by the next boss I haven't seen.
At least das3 artificial difficulty keeps it fun. I have 0 interest learning how to beat this game without real upgrades.
QUICK
MAIDEN SHIELD
OR
LEAD POTION
>>334297305
>You get the casings anyway.
I'm pretty sure you don't?
>>334298604
tough call, i've never had much luck with maiden shield but some swear by it. lead potion is good if you can remember to use it.
leaving the first floor with three keys, three guns, poison immunity, and 54 casings. time to kick some ass :-D
>>334297830
Not if you use a controller
>tfw have 40 deaths and still can't consistently get to floor 4
>>334295123
Fucking thing should just auto-open 1 Chest/Door per floor 100%, imo.
>>334299790
just tried for science and got 2/3 unlocks with it
>>334299690
You'll get there! I'm doing 4th floor elevator runs and it is brutal.
>>334297052
>table flipping is retarded, would prefer having extra space to move around
Can't move or dodge through tables when unflipped.
Can't move or dodge through tables when flipped.
They're pretty fucking annoying and I use them never unless you get Table Tech drops.
Brown chests should have no locks, you're wasting keys half the time in the beginning when you open one and all you get is a heart.
>>334300040
My elevator progress is kind of halted because getting 3 armour to floor 3 is fucking me up.
>>334300114
getting a flawless on floors one and two isn't impossible, just pick marine and save money for armor from the shop
WHO HERE QUAD LAZER?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNYMxgNKIEU
>>334300075
>Using keys on brown chests
>Ever
You have only yourself to blame.
Would've quit forever if I'd lost this run.
>>334300609
Yeah, looks pretty dope.
>>334300609
double vision + scramber
yeah, that must have been nice.
>>334300278
rofl did they really include it? must find
For those still wondering about Beast Mode:
Apparantly IT'S JUST A PRANK BRO. It does absolutely nothing but provide an unlock if you beat the fifth chamber with the mode enabled.
>>334300609
You lucky bitch.
>>334300114
Finding one of the armor passives, buying armor from the shop, and having an armor drop gave me that one.
