Seriously what the fuck. How can anyone defend this company anymore.
Such disrespect for the source material sickens me. I mean, how hard can it be to create something new while respecting someone else's loved franchise?
>>334250401
ghouls can exist without food or water can't they
>treating any beth fallout canon after the shitfest that was 3
>>334250569
Not for two hundred years.
honestly can you expect any less from them? they don't give a shit about video games
>Pre-war building with pre-war desks and containers
>Filled with post-war weapons and loads of bottle caps before they were used as currency
Holy shit who the fuck cares. Is your autism so severe that you can't forgive some minor details? It not like they said "actually, fallout is the world pre elder scrolls". They fucked up a minor thing and said they won't fix it because it's a minor thing. Who the hell cares
>>334250871
Good luck with that. Autism levels are insane when this comes up.
>>334250871
Fag enabler.
>>334250871
This is just the straw that broke the camel's back. Did you ever play their fallouts? The inconsistencies are fucking insane. The writing is atrocious. How about you stop sucking their dick
>>334250748
bottlecaps are one of the things I wouldn't mind finding in old world buildings
especially in trashcans and shit like that
>>334250871
Also, what's the back story on jet. Why couldn't it have existed before fallout 2, before the war. This is like the shit with the cats.
"Oh there's only 1 cat in fallout 2 so there can't be any more in the entire world EVER!"
"Yeah, well, there's other cats. Sorry autists."
>>334250871
Fuck off shill
>>334251107
I think it was a specific plot point that jet was created by somebody specific in Fallout 2. Haven't played it yet though so I can't confirm.
>>334251107
you meet the creator of jet in fallout 2. born well after the war
>>334251107
The creator of Jet is a character in Fallout 2. It's meth and brahmin dung.
>>334251107
>>334250871
>Create universe
>Make universe inconsistant
>Fans try to point out the mistakes so the games could be atleast authetic to itself
>Some faggots say its not realistic
Wow amazing
The guys an idiot. While true with fiction, you have to have suspension of disbelief, that doesn't mean you should be able to get away with things that should be commonsense
IT
JUST
WORKS
>Point out plot hole
>Get called "autistic"
Is it so hard to accept that a committee of writers with different experiences and priorities working on one project will create oversights?
I can't tell if you guys are joking or not.
>>334250871
>>334250965
>>334251581
>>334251658
This. lol fuckin nerds :^)
>>334250871
Your prob one of those retards that let Bethshitsta get away with bugs in game because they are a funny feature and every beth game has had them. Please fuck off you shitty game enabler.
>>334252125
The amount of not caring about good games is incredible
>>334251347
Yeah its one of those arguments I hate seeing because its been refuted so many times, like these faggots just cant wrap their heads around the difference between being consistent with our worlds logic and being consistent with their own worlds logic.
>>334253760
lol if you could only spend 10 minutes with this guy in the geck/creation kit showing him how basic the character AI packages are.
>>334250871
>make a mistake
>tries to sound smart "we never stated it ;P"
>turns out he did another mistake by trying to cover it
>WOOOW WHO CARES
This is what is wrong. Not that they did a mistake in general. by the way bethesda is shit and they proved it again.
>>334250871
Myron was an entire companion in fallout 2 and anyone who played the game remembers him because of what a shithead he was. Its not some autistic little detail.
>>334250401
because we've all given up on these companies and the only people buying these games are faggots and gamer girls
>>334250654
Yes they can, he only needs radiation.
Pete Hines is a legit ass, he doesn't even play video games he's just running a business.
>>334254294
>running
pretty sure you mean ruining
>>334253760
But the AI in these games are so robotic. There's nothing organic about the AI at all.
>>334254378
Do you have any idea how many copies Fallout 4 sold? Wheter it's a a good game or not is completely irrelevant to the point, the fact is Pete Hines and his Bethesda friends are making tons of money with Fallout 4, it'll probably end up even outselling Skyrim.
>>334254569
I was watching that stream on streamcountry. lol
>>334254508
in his defense
he probably has nothing to compare skyrim to
casuals are casuals after all
>>334251034
>This is just the straw that broke the camel's back. Did you ever play their fallouts? The inconsistencies are fucking insane. The writing is atrocious.
I liked the writing in New Vegas.
>Originally
>Ghouls were created from a unique environment from a imperfect seal on vault, exposure to radiation and the FEV virus while being otherwise safe within a vault. They turn feral from starvation or stress they can even seemingly turn feral completely at random in the middle of peaceful communities. They don't age and are basically immortal.
>Bethesda
>Ghouls don't need food or water or even oxygen. Radiation turns anyone feral at any time even if they were out in the open on the surface when the Nuclear blast hit or just wandered into a high rad area of even apparently drugs with radiation.
>>334253760
This guy is joking right? Fucking my dumb little sister knew how robotic the characters are when she played.
>>334254569
This picture made me realize that the next few generations are going to be ridiculously loyal to corporations.
>>334254841
>This guy is joking right?
I see you never met a Bethesda fan before, they're all like this believe me.
>>334254692
That's because it's not a Bethesda Fallout game.
>>334254731
To be fair, both of those are fucking stupid.
Honestly, I'll never understand how the Fallout lore came to be suddenly so respected and highly valued in recent years, the games are basically just a joke going all the way back to the beginning.
>>334254279
Better question is, why the fuck isn't the kid Feral after 200 years locked in a fridge?
>>334254863
People have fought wars for politicians they didn't personally know or care about for thousands of years. Even now people kill each other because some limey suit wearing fuck tells them too. Being loyal to corps won't make much of a difference.
>>334254935
Well when it comes to Post Apocolyptic worlds, fallout is more fleshed out then most when details about even minor things.
Contrasts a lot with something like Metro or The Road where nothing is fucking known.
>>334254935
Its weird that the discussion of Bethesda shitty writing always talks about the inconsistencies rather than just how fucking dumb it is as a standalone product. Like the game takes place on the other side of the country, as lame as it was to reuse all the same characters it still doesn't really fucking matter. But everything about the enclave, brotherhood, your dad and so on was just written like a saturday morning cartoon, I mean shit at the end like fawkes and the ghoul not going in the chamber is retarded whether fallout 1 and 2 exist or not.
DCDeacon is a piece of shit.
People asked him why Wolfenstein 2009 couldn't come back to Steam and he said it was for technical reasons they couldn't remove the Activision branding, but when steam users showed him how easy it was for them to remove the Activision branding from the credits and branding on startup he blocked them and just said "look, it's not coming back to Steam, deal with it." or something like that.
real fucking scumbag
>>334255000
War... has changed.
>>334254863
Bethesda games have always been released with piss-poor quality, and always been defended no matter what the issues.
>the bugs are funny, so it adds to the charm!
>Bethesda's buggy releases just add entertainment to an already amazing game
>>334254952
An even better question is why he's still a fucking Kid.
>>334255871
All that "the bugs are part of the experience" stuff came from people who jumped on with skyrim and thought haha le funny mammoth fly.
>>334256013
Back in the day Oblivion was defended the same way.
>>334250871
Supreme b8, m8. I r8 it 8 outta 8. :^)
>>334250401
Becuase most people who like the new fallouts are console underage fucktards who never played the originals.
>>334255000
>People have fought wars for politicians they didn't personally know or care about for thousands of years
The reasoning behind every major war had to deal with the fact that people's ways of life in their country may change unless they fight back
it is more than just politics
Youre about five months late to that party
>>334256013
I never found any skyrims bugs funny I thought what a piece of shit because I'm not some 14 year old gamer who has his mom buy it for him.
>>334256408
thats kind of impressive.
>>334256463
I feel that most of /v/ came to the same organic conclusion about skyrim, its overwhelming for a few hours but the shallowness of it becomes quickly apparent when you try a new weapon or do a quest a second time and have it end the same. I remember a thread on r/games awhile ago where some people were talking about their "dynamic skyrim experiences" and they slowly realized that they had all had the exact same scripted bethesda experience.
If he's not interested why did he fucking reply? Cunt.
>>334254863
RIGHT on bother fight the power down with free trade stick it to the "man"
Fucking smelly hippy commie
>>334256765
/pol/ please take your pills and sit in your rocker you're senile as fuck.
>>334256336
Majority of wars started because some kike doesn't like another kike, at least 95%
Wars fought because two cultures were incompatible and unable coexist 5%.
>>334256765
Lol I don't know man, Bethesda is never going to personally do a favor for any of those kids so why the fuck should they?
>>334250871
The fact is you need legit starry-eyed dreamer writer types who can imagine a fantasy world with conviction for good writing.
Otherwise you get memeshit like "fuck believability! remember <x> from the source material!? you liked that, right? xD" like Star Wars Episode 7.
>>334256821
I can tell your game son its old and was played out in the 60s.
This whole shit about being against the "man" needs to stop because if you did not notice you are the "man" you are fighting.
Better sell that Iphone hippy and go back to using a cup on a string.
>>334250401
It is funny how much people care about these minor details in Bethesda games and make a big deal out if it.
No one would care about such minor discrepancies in some other game.
I doubt that is even a plot hole. Some lore expert can probably give us a good explaination on that, instead of a fucking marketing expert that probably doesn't know shit about lore.
>>334253760
people dickride bethesda so hard. If it wasn't for elder scrolls/fallout nobody would buy their poorly coded garbage
>>334256408
i want to believe
>>334250569
>>334254279
Ghouls die in Fallout 1 without water supply.
Also in both Fallout 1 and 2, ghouls grow crops for food. Radiation may heal them, but they still need to each and drink. Of course Bethesda aren't aware of this because they never actually PLAYED them.
>>334257020
Because it's funny if done for over the top humor see AVGN.
But then people take it to far
see RLM Star Wars prequels reviews.
Then you have everyone saying "there shit because Anakin tweaked his nose out of character"
>>334254863
it's just a different form of personality cult
in a decade or two, there'll be news of some 18 year old girl escaping from a Bethesda cult. She'll suffer culture shock from real world physics not launching her 200 meters into the air from a slight knock
>>334257104
>wow people like stuff that I don't like
>>334257130
These little details don't bother me so much because they are kind of pedantic. But the jet thing is fucking ridiculous because Myron was a pretty damn big part of Fallout 2.
>>334257206
>wow people like shit that nobody should like
FTFY
>>334257104
I want to know how that poster feels about all the lewd mods and fucked up shit people MOD in to the game.
>>334257206
it's not even that i don't like it, it's that people will defend these games to the death despite the numerous game breaking bugs. Ever try playing fallout 3 on a ps3? Good luck, it'll crash once an hour.
That and the people treating said games like they're a gift from god himself
>>334257356
>Give my compliments to the chef ;)
>>334257196
The prequel reviews are not taking it too far. There's pointing out really small mistakes, and then there's just plain bad writing that doesn't make sense, which the prequels do egregiously
>>334257356
>>334257551
They are just normies.
Anyway, I prefer fanboys over haters anytime.
>>334257551
I guess at the end of the day kids just really want to fit in. I bet if we tried to fix the fucked up social dynamics of first world countires most of the "high functioning autism" stuff like this would just disappear.
>>334257556
They may have not been wrong, but it put down the groundwork for extreme nitpicks that are so small anyone but the most devoted fan would never even notice them.
"OMG SPIDERMANS BACK IS THE WRONG SHADE OF BLUE AND RED" better show how much of a sperg i am and shout at the directors across twitter
>>334250545
No idea, people have problem respecting their own loved franchise while creating something new.
>>334250545
Meh, it's probably safer to just meme out. They probably pleased wayyy more people who thought "JET! I REMEMBER JET! XD" than the one or two spergs who actually sorted out the timeline.
This is why casuals ruin everything.
>>334257020
>minor details in Bethesda games
>No one would care about such minor discrepancies in some other game
>I doubt that is even a plot hole
You must have never actually played a Bethesda game. Or have been part of any game discussion ever that handled story or lore.
Regardless, well done on missing the point completely.
>>334257207
>These little details don't bother me so much because they are kind of pedantic
>little detail
>wether a group of beings is full-on immortal or actually need food and water to survive
>when they made a point of showing they needed food earlier
>>334257754
>better show how much of a sperg i am and shout at the directors across twitter
I know you're exaggerating, but mind showing an example of a critique people take too seriously and complain about to the creator, when they're clearly overreacting?
If it's reference to OP's pic, I think you might be the one overreacting.
>>334256765
Fucking slave. Never used that word to attribute it to someone in my entire life. Fuck I hate people who are moronic enough to think they need or should support businesses or corporations beyond trading with them.
>>334258074
See but its not even a sperg thing, the games go in fucking chronological order so if something happened in 2 or 1, it shouldn't have occured before the war in a later game. Thats basic continuity , and its not some small shit either a good portion of fallout 2s content was dedicated to this guy, he even had a voiced and animated head.
>>334250401
>when mod authors have more respect for and knowledge of the games lore than the actual writers of the game
>>334257130
Even in New Vegas, that ghoul that was trapped by the Nightkin was forced to eat radroaches and lick the condensation off of water pipes to survive.
>>334257198
>She'll suffer culture shock from real world physics not launching her 200 meters into the air from a slight knock
>>334257686
Confirmed retard.
Haters cause much less damage to the industry, if at all.
>>334257130
In 4 there is a settlement full of ghouls and they are growing crops.
It may be a case of having different writers and each one writing whatever the fuck they want without consulting one another for consistency.
>>334250871
You know what, fuck right off
I work 40 hours a week in a job I absoluty hate, you have no idea how many asses I'd kiss and how many dicks I'd suck to to have this smug fucking cunts job. If I could make a living off of writing for video games you better believe I'd take it really fucking seriously. I wouldn't just brush someone off because he knows the source material I have to work with better than I do.
I'm confused, was this always in Fallout 2?
Did Bethesda change shit? why are all you retards angry at Bethesda in this instance?
>>334261370
This post is so autistic that reading it caused me to grow an extra chromosome.
>>334250401
Should have said to mr Pete how the ghoul showcases the transgender trauma Bethesda - and Zenimax for that matter - did nothing to mitigate and that exacerbation of said trauma by developer's clear irreverence to the material at hand translates into real world PTSD so prevalent in 50s culture of toxic masculinity that led to nukes killing the world in the first place.
Mr Pete would backpedal like Cazador was after him.
>>334261370
You have to be a dicksucking loudmouth to get there though and that's the problem.
>>334257469
>Here's the tip but let me photograph the receipt
What's the best way to get into Fallout 1 and 2? I think I tried playing 1 a while back and I just got killed straight after I left the cave and couldn't be bothered to start again.
>>334250871
>"forgive minor details"
>details they had right previously but now fucked up
>>334251326 this. It's really strange. You'd think someone at Bethesda would care but nobody gives a shit. I bet those spergs ITT defending it actually liked Fallout 4.
>>334261897
>Ugh, stop fucking CARING about stuff, god.
This is literally what you sound like.
>>334257130
>Ghouls cant run
In betshida they retcont in to fast zombis.
>>334256635
>>334257115
>there are newfags THIS fucking new on /v/
I wish "lurk moar" was still around.
>>334262229
Speech checks, you can beat the whole game without killing a single soul
>>334253760
This is basically the average Bethesda fan. If you haven't figured out that their games suck after 10-20 hours, you're mentally retarded.
>>334261897
Go back to your blog, Grace.
>>334250401
This is really only annoying because he falls back on the 'oh ghouls and shit exist so why complain about when this drug was invented?' thing. They just appeal to the absurd stuff to get away with inconsistencies.
>>334250401
>Person complains about a works internal consistency
>Writer gets defensive and acts like he's talking about realism, which are two different things
I hate when people do that
>>334262680
>"it doesn't matter because it's not reaL XDD"
>SJWs get on someone because of an attractive woman or not enough blacks in a game or some other stupid shit
>complain alongside them
>"it doesn't matter because it's not real ;^)"
Someone have that TB tweet exchange where he says this?
>>334253760
I fucking enjoyed skyrim and I know that the AI was robotic as fuck.
>>334260453
>supporting a developer/game hurts the industry
?
>>334257290
He plays on a console.
>>334263053
If you mindlessly follow a developer/game(such as Ubisoft/CoD) you're hurting the industry by actively giving these people money to continue doing the same thing they've been doing for years. Haters don't buy these games and instead call them out at every opportunity they get.
>>334262374
Agreed, I lurked for an entire year before I made my first post. But mid 2000s was a different time, more elegant and innocent.
>>334263146
Selling your product isn't a crime, even if it's 'bad'. Wether or not you hate on it makes no difference, they'll still do the same thing for as long as it sells. You'll be happier if you just don't care though.
>>334263543
It does not need to be a crime to be bad.
Like spoiling parents.
People like that drag the industry standards down and it withers little by little.
>>334263543
You asked why supporting a dev/game hurts the industry and I explained it to you. No, it's not a crime to give awful developers and bad games money, but it does "hurt" the industry in the way that it becomes stagnant and the same things keep being done because they sell. In the movie industry that's going on right now with all the super-hero gimmick.
>>334263701
>muh standards
>>334263791
t. junkyard dwelling shiteater
>>334263754
Even if someone keeps making crap there will still be companies that make good things. Diversity doesn't hurt the industry.
>>334263791
Don't you have another site to shill or are you only assigned to 4chan? Fuck off.
>>334263948
Can you not read?
Didn't see anyone bitching about Ultra Jet finding it's way to the west coast when Fallout: NV was released despite it being stranger than Jet being a pre-war drug.
But hey it's Obsidian dey good dindun nuffin boys who never done anything wrong and never fucked with the lore.
>>334253760
Wow her brain would explode If she saw the oblivion guy that cheats his wife
>>334250871
>Falling for the bait
Nice catch anon.
>>334264156
I dont even care about Fallout, it was such a bitch way to take criticism. It would have been fine to ignore it, but trying to explain it first then backtracking and implying the guy was autistic to even care when he was proven wrong again was moronic
that is fucking disgusting
not because they made mistakes with their lore or because they can't be assed to fix it but because they pulled the "it's a fictional story anyway it's okay if it doesn't all make sense" card
fuck that logic not being based in reality is no excuse for not having some actual consistency with your world and if you just say "nah I don't care fuck you" you are a horrid writer that doesn't deserve your job
You should not hire your buddies and college roommates to make a game that you are paid to do when that game will be reviewed and judged and it's not your money in the first place.
Most employees on the dev team in the bethesda game studio are probably low tier trash, everything about the their games (yes morrowind included) says they are incapable and their hirees are always bad.
>>334260453
You know the feminists you people bitch soo much that ate ruining vydia are haters right?
>>334250401
>Ghoul kid survives 200 years without food or water
>you still need to supply food and water to ghoul settlers.
Companies routinely fuck over canon, but Bethesda can't even maintain continuity within a single game.
>>334250748
>safe sealed from before the war
>contains a pipe pistol
Why the fuck did they cut shit like the .38 revolver or the 9mm pistol. They would have been perfect for shit like that.
The weapon variety in F04 is utter shit, even compared to FO:NV before GRA.
>>334264790
Fuck, I even forgot about the BoS quest where that idiot is feeding the feral ghouls.
If they don't need food to survive why did he risk everything to feed things that don't need to be fed?
Hell, the fridge kid could have easily been written as hiding in a small, well-stocked bunker under the house that he was found next to. Bam, continuity maintained.
>people acting like Fallout lore was so fucking established and deep before Bethesda came in
typical nostalgic binoculars.
>>334259295
of course they do. People that make mods, 95% of the time, are just really dedicated fans that love what they're working on. People actually making these games, 95% of the time, are just some guys that get paid to write games and probably don't give a shit at all about the ones they didn't personally work on.
That said you'd think these kinds of places would have someone like a continuity expert, or hell just an intern reading the fan-run fallout wikis to double check this shit.
>>334265348
heh
>>334256903
Islam is responsible for more than 5%...
>>334256903
> I don't know anything about history
>>334250748
Others use them to store their shit genius. You arent the only one in the wasteland.
AHAHAHHAHAHA CRY ALL YOU WANT BITCH NIGGA FALLOUT 1 & 2 ARE STILL SHIT AND OUTDATED AF AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>334268378
>intelligence of average bethshitter
>>334254569
Bethesda must be eternally assravaged at the fact that they couldn't shut down Streamcountry.we got 100k unique visitors
>>334250401
I am pretty sure this WAS changed though. It mentions a different drug now.
>>334262668
>>334262680
>>334264790
Pete Hines isn't a writer, he's a fucking PR/business guy
he couldn't give less of a fuck about this shit
>>334265234
>>334265234
>If they don't need food to survive why did he risk everything to feed things that don't need to be fed?
because he thought he might be able to re-civilize them eventually, or train them to be harmless
also maybe he just didn't know ghouls don't need food. they DO eat, they just don't NEED to eat.
>>334270660
>PR guy
>shows terrible PR
He's still terrible at his job.
>>334270973
So why do ghoul settlers need food and water?
>>334271002
I would say he's obviously not terrible, Fallout 4 has gotten accolades galore, and won GOTY at the BAFTAs. /v/ is the only place people shit on Bethesda
>>334257551
All I could say was "it was a crock of shyte" & "I want my 20 hours back"
>>334271060
The kid trapped in the fridge shouldn't be a standard with which to hold the game's logic
like apparently the fucking chinese commando's been sitting in his sub as a ghoul for over 200 fucking years, but hasn't bothered to go further in to get supplies or anything cuz "oh no i don't wanna shoot my crew members from 200 years ago"
200years was the biggest mistake they ever made
>>334258879
I'm sure that the writers for Fallout 4 probably have never even played 1 or 2.
>>334257020
you could've stopped at the first two lines, but then you had to add that retarded third comment.
"lore experts" for fallout will be the first to tell you Jet was made by a certain character in Fallout 2, and certainly did not exist in any form Pre-war.
I still don't fucking get why they couldn't have just listed NORMAL DRUGS like cocaine, weed, etc
is mentioning those an issue for ratings or what?
This whole fucking thread!
Holy shit! You guys are actually serious.
>>334271496
Or just pre-war, probably manufactured in sterile environments by pharmaceutical companies drug like Buffout and Mentats.
>>334250401
god fallout fanboys are fucking autistic
>>334271859
those are mentioned on the terminal in question, they replaced the Jet reference with something else can't remember
>>334271891
>caring about internal consistency is autistic
>>334250871
>not knowing the difference between autism and shitting over already established lore
>>334250871
This guy has it right. That's exactly the mentally we need more in the video game industry.
"Let's just fucking half-ass it."
"Good enough."
>>334250569
Fallout New Vegas pointed out that Ghouls definitely need food. When you help the Ghouls deal with the Nightkin at that rocket factory, the one in the basement explains he's been drinking condensation from pipes, eating raw radroach meat, and shitting in a bucket.
>>334272918
>Not understanding the difference between being annoyed by something and harassing someone on Twitter about something they obviously don't care about
Yeah that actually sounds incredibly autistic to me
>>334254863
It's been happening before the oldest living generations were born.
>>334262512
>10-20 hours
You dont even have to play to know its GARBAGE. Just like Dark Souls is GARBAGE.
>>334253760
>Walking through Whiterun
>Talk to NPC was they're walking past cus quest
>NPC stops and tilts their body awkwardly
>Have conversation with someone who is literally leaning back and twisting to talk to me
Much later
>Stalking Maro's Son for Dark Brotherhood
>He's heading for Solitude, I have his schedule
>Schedule says he should be in Rifften tomorrow
>He walks past Solitude and starts walking to Dawnstar
>Keep following, thinking "This nigger is never gonna make it"
>Head to Markarth, wait there, watch him on the map
>Literally takes him a week to get to Markarth. >He walked up to every fort, then turned and left.
>Never stopped to sleep
>Didn't need food
>Soooooo realistic
>
the jet thing didn't really bother me as much as the ghoul inside the fridge since it's established that ghouls need food and water to survive since day one
Hell, even fucking Fallout 3 obeyed that rule and had a quest with the player dealing with some smartass ghoul selling shit water to other ghouls and having problems with the BoS not including the Underworld in their trade route
>>334263353
I lurked from 2009-2012 before posting. I still feel like a newfag.
>>334274880
That is because you are, faggot.
>>334250871
>talks that real
>gets called a shill
Keep it up /v/
>>334275062
you made me realize ive been on this website for 10 years.
>>334258330
Not the person you are referring to, but to me the lore behind a drug doesn't matter. The lore behind a "race" should matter though. Bethesda has said they just add things because "fuck it, its cool".
>>334253760
Reminds of those forum screencaps where somebody complains about the company and some fag comes in saying:
"What's your deal? The company is rgeat, this game is great! How dare you question the developer!" or something akin to that.
Why do they do that? Do they think doing that gets them some sort of reward from the company? It's so weird
>>334275423
Feels good friend.
