ITT: Attempt to justify why you summon phantoms to guide you through every level of dark souls 3.
>>334249423
To piss off people like you who think invading and ruining people's fun is enjoyable
And because sometimes its fun to have the social interactions
>>334249513
>To piss off people like you who think invading and ruining people's fun is enjoyable
Invasions are the best part of the game. Git fucking gud.
>>334249513
assumptiousery assuming of you, but horribly off. I strictly play sunbro and every time I am summoned for a boss fight the host already has plenty of phantoms to beat it. Yet he still summons more.
So say again why you're a shitter?
>there are people here who summon for all bosses on their first try
If you are stuck on a boss and have died at least 15-20 times to it you can justify summoning, usually ill help other people with that same boss just so i can get more experience fighting it
>>334249982
>you must play the game the way I want you to
>no fun allowed
>>334249423
I summoned gold phantoms to help them get their gold coin
>>334249423
It's a game mechanic, it is meant to be used.
>>334249423
>defeat most bosses pretty easy
>alright time to help some plebs
>leave summon sign
>as soon as I start getting summoned the game crashes
Is there any sort of fix for this? I just want to fight bosses some more and help people but it just crashes every time. I cant even invade because the same thing happens.
>>334250514
/thread
i also block my game via firewall and play offline
suck it down
>>334249423
Am I just as bad as that if I put down my summon sign right as I enter a new area so that I can see what it's like first as a phantom? 0.0
>>334250439
Only true bro in this thread.
>>334250930
working as intended.
I usually don't but I did for cathedral of the deep after many attempts. Fuck that area. That sunbro was fucking GOAT
>>334249423
I need people to summon so they have a decent chance when I invade senpai
This Farron's greatsword ain't gonna spin itself
I won't because I don'.Mostly.
I'm loving these mid-level fight clubs though at the stray demon bridge and as a mound-maker I often help out anyone clearing the area/showing them secrets in exchange for a duel at the end of it. If they want to fight the boss now, they must go through me first.
Feels real good tbqfh.
>>334249423I don't
:^)
>>334249423
I used phantoms in the cathedral because damn that felt like a good multiplayer experience.
Some areas feel like they're designed around being played multiplayer. The new forest, the cathedral, and Abyss Watchers are just more fun with more people.
These areas are fun alone, but more fun with others. Maybe that's my experience though.
Also I need those fucking Sunlight Medals they're like crack
>>334249982
>died at least 15-20
That's going a bit far, but yeah, summoning for a boss your first try is pathetic.
I played Dark Souls, Demon Souls, Bloodborne and Dark Souls 2 all after the online community had basically died. I had maybe 2 PVP fights in DeS, Maybe 5 or 6 in Dark Souls. Bloodborne was the only one I got anything close to a good PVP experience in.
So doing Dark Souls 3 co-op has been a great time. It's a really different experience, and so far the only boss that I've summoned for was the Abyss Watchers, because fuck mob bosses.
>>334249423
I get summoned as a phantom if I'm curious about a level's design beforehand.
>>334251849
>not trying as many times as it takes until you beat it
>>334249423
are there more of these shops?
>>334252270
This too. I usually try to get a feel for the area as a summon first. I think it's fair to both players since the host isn't "getting carried" because I don't know shit but I'm still helping with combat and at the same time I'm getting conseuence free experience and knowledge.
>>334249423
>get summoned
>host summons another phantom
>darkwraith invades
>refuse to join in the ganking
I do my best to keep things fair, been doing it since the first dark souls, always hated having to go rambo on the host in order to kill him with all his bodyguards.
>>334249645
Git Gud dealing with invading people with phantoms then.
>>334249423
Because the pvp is complete shit, so the only online experience is co-op.
>>334252635
But it's not even fun to do. It can take thirty minutes just to win a invasion now if they have allies.
>>334252671
Git Gud then faggot.
>>334249773
I'm not him but I summon because I want to and I don't have to justify to some ass clown who is upset about how other people play a video game.
i summoned for vordt but that's it.
i should've summoned for the tree fucker though.
that shit was annoying.
>>334252602
What makes you think Invasions are supposed to be fair? That's just stupid. It's not a fucking duel.
>>334249423
It's now or never basically. Summoning in NG+ isn't nearly as common.
>>334249423
>ITT: JUSTify playing a DS after the first
>>334252602
its a computer game
>>334252810
this, its called "Invading" for a reason.
Isnt there a dedicated PvP area that faggots can duel?
>>334252941no_
I have only smmoned against the shadow clone king guy with the wings.
Too late at night to deal with that bullshit.
I'm sure there is a good strat for soloing him, but was not up for it at the time.
>>334252810
It just feels wrong ganking the guy, 2v1 is pretty bad already 3v1 is almost hopeless, I just try to put myself in the dickwraith's shoes.
>>334249423
I don't I play on a pirated version.
I use phantoms for bosses usually. I think people would get to impatient with me going through an area. I like to search every nook and cranny.
>>334252994
good, that just means more of a reason for a free for all
>>334252478
Personally, I'm not going to summon at all on my first run, but I don't hold everyone to my standards either.
>>334253034
another guy here but
honestly if its 1v3 I'll just run and hide alot until they're really engaged, if I see if I cant kill a phantom or two
if it gets too hot I'll just black crystal out just so they dont get more estus back
>>334253150
I run until I can pick off the host alone and stunlock him/kill him quick while the others are busy with NPC enemies. If it's PSN, that's when the host disconnects.
>>334253150
I used to just peck them with poison arrows in 2 and dark magic in 1 until they A: got to the boss fog B: died or C: got so annoyed they just charged and died from recklessness.
>invade someone as wolf dude
>the host also gets invaded by a red phantom
>the red phantom starts attacking me
fuck off faggot we are here to kill the host
What are some fun ways to troll invaders or waste their time, /v/?
>Catacombs
>Go to the door that leads to the boss fight
>They can't go past it
>Alternatively, get them to go across the bridge and cut it
>>334249423
I'de rather play an easy game with people than play a hard game alone.
>>334253462
camp the lever to the bridge in the cathedral, patches style. Bonus points if you have a seed of giants.
Co-op is fun
Does the Dark Souls 3 crack allow multiplayer?
I heard there is some sort of bypass allowing you to connect to the servers
It's funny how people who play co-op try to justify it as "it's fun" or "muh sunbros", but they are missing the biggest issue: you are not playing the game. At most what you're doing is watching a glorified let's play where you get to move your camera around, and press R1 sometimes to delude yourself into thinking you're a part of it, but don't, you're just watching.
This goes double for DS3, where the health/damage scaling of enemies for summoned phantoms has gone even lower. This is basically an even further acknowledgement from Bamco about the kind of person what summons in the game: someone who basically bought the game for e-penis and achievement whoring.
The game is very well designed, has a great art style and aesthetics, is meant to be savored and explored, and so many people just choose to ignore all that and truck through the game with no regard for anything else just because "it's there anyway" - do you always play on Easy? When did you become a person that can't handle challenge?
But the very worst is people like >>334249513 who think they're upsetting anyone for doing this. Nobody is upset, we just think you're wasting the chance to overcome a really fun challenge and discover why the Souls series is as enjoyable as it is.
>Just beat the tutorial boss
>already walking around in circles in the Shrine
My sense of direction is impeccable.
>>334253849
>The game is very well designed, has a great art style and aesthetics, is meant to be savored and explored, and so many people just choose to ignore all that and truck through the game with no regard for anything else
So you can viably play it either way - why do you care?
>>334253849
I'm never ever ever going to replay games like DaS2 or BB unless it's co-op.
>>334252994
But you can be a mound maker and actually put a duel sign down
>>334253849
>and press R1 sometimes to delude yourself into thinking you're a part of it, but don't, you're just watching.
I summed two fucking phantoms for the rotted greatwood and they both went ahead and died before the fucking thing even had lost half its HP. So I was forced to finish it on my own despite not really knowing its movement set when it have the arm out.
>>334250617
Set light settings to Low. My computer reboots spontaneously if I have it at high.
>>334253657
Can you get invaded after fighting the boss? I should have tried that.
>>334253849
>Game mechanic that encourages you to do it
>You're not playing the game
What.
>>334253953
Obviously, if you're replaying the game after a solo run, coop is more than encouraged, literally nothing wrong with it.
>>334253937
>viably
The issue with coop is that it's WAY too "viable" - It removes any challenge from the game, it's the "WIN" switch for when you're just throwing the towel. People here were outraged when Nintendo announced a button that beats the level for you or some shit, but have no qualms with doing what is essentially the same thing in Dark Souls.
I care because I care about you, and I want you to discover the real fun of the Souls game: overcoming the hugely stacked odds against you, and ending up on top feeling great.
>>334254046
That's unfortunate but I'll acknowledge that very rarely your phantoms may fail you in bosses with insta-kill attacks. But now that every phantom can heal by himself? That's almost a freak occurrence in 3.
>>334254087
Read nigga, read.
>>334249423
>tfw i sunbro into a world where the host hasn't even previously challenged the boss before
this triggers me like none other. only reason I do is for the first boss so I can get an extra medal
>>334254078
No. Plan it for your next play through. Bring a dried finger and seed of giants to enhance your dark souls experience.
I wish people invaded me. I've been invaded a grand total of one time by non NPC invaders. I'm in ember mode 90% of the time but because I don't summon help I also therefore never get invaded. How did this seem like a good idea to the guys at From?
>>334254224
I invade a *lot*, but every time I notice the host is alone I just black crystal away after dropping him some small gifts. Against co-opers it's a whole different thing.
>>334254165
>The issue with coop is that it's WAY too "viable"
Co-oped with two buddies of mine. The one guy who played ahead of us just kept killing everything and sprinting through, while the host buddie was left with trying to catch up between item grabs. I don't see how others are finding this fun.
>>334254296
I'm glad you can share my point of view. It's fucked up.
>>334253391
The forest has an npc invader that attacks anyone in sight.
>>334249423
speaking of summons, where the fuck is this lift that I need to take and kill the dickwraith? I've found one lift so far but that wasnt it
>>334253849
>buttblasted invader detected
>>334249645
>git gud
And by "git gud" do you mean obey arbitrary rules set by someone who wasn't even invited to the session, who's sole purpose is to impede progress? Because so far all I've seen is invaders whining because the invaded heals and doesn't give a silly little bow before the fight.
>play halo with my friend
>having tons of fun
>dad comes in with a controller
>WE'RE PLAYING TDM NOW
>but dad, me and billy are playing the campaign
>NO, TDM
>o-okay, if we have to. I guess we can continue the campaign later
>I'M GOING TO FUCKING DESTROY YOU KIDS
>it's ok, Billy. We'll just team up on him and-
>WHAT? WHAT WAS THAT? TEAMING UP IS DISHONORABLE! HERE ARE A LIST OF RULES YOU MUST FOLLOW!
>but dad, we didn't even want to play TDM, it was your idea
>WELL WE'RE FUCKING PLAYING TDM NOW, SO FOLLOW THESE RULES
>Friends and I play the souls series mostly together
>Every time a phantom shows up he ends up running almost all the way to the boss trying to take shots at us when he thinks we are swarmed
>Either dies in the swarm and our swings or backs all the way up to the boss and makes a last stand or hopes we follow him to bum fuck no where instead of just passing through the fog
>Laugh
Every time, every game. Then sometimes we find threads like this where invaders are ass pained and we continue to laugh. Feels goodman.
>>334254663
your dad sounds fucking awesome. Why are you a disappointing son?
>>334254658
Directly below the second bonfire in the High Wall two levels there will be a iron door
>>334253849
Shut the fuck up
>>334254783
ah, many thanks anon
>>334254663
You sound like a little faggot. I'm sorry your dad was cursed with a son like you, he deserves better.
>>334250617
I've had some weird shit happen. Been summoned a bunch of times for Crystal Sage, first time nothing in the world was animated, host just sliding around. Crystal Sage dis not move at all.
I've also been stuck with clones which would not disappear too, so we were unablebto damagenhim. I had to black crystal out.
From really messed something up.
>>334254686
>Friends and I play the souls series
>play
Yeah, like "playing" a game on youtube.
>>334252096
I've played DaS multiplayer right until DS3's release. It's most certainly not dead
>There are people RIGHT NOW that think invading my world means im going to "Duel" or "Play fair" with them
>There are also people that assume im going to "Duel" them when i invade when i have the entire zoo as my playground
People who expect honor should fucking end themselfes, Same goes for invader phantoms thinking they're buddies with other invaders just because they're both there to kill the host.
If you wanna go Buddy Cop and Enjoy some company go sunbro or something and get summoned.
>>334255273
>Same goes for invader phantoms thinking they're buddies with other invaders just because they're both there to kill the host.
That's just fucked up. If you attack your invaderbros then you're just shooting yourself in the foot only to be edgy.
>>334253462
TotG has a ton of hiding spots.
>>334255509
I mean when they're different kinds, If i'm a red phantom then i'm not going to help a wolfman since we get different rewards.
If both are red then teaming up to murderize the host is A-OK
>>334253881
Use the bonfire to teleport you imbecile
>>334255651
>Use the bonfire to teleport you imbecile
Thanks for nothing cucklord.
>There are people in this thread RIGHT NOW that still think invading is better than being a moundbro.
It feels so great to pull mound shenanigans.
I once got summoned to beat the stray demon in the bridge thing above the dog and met the summoner just as he got invaded, we started ganking him but then he runs behind the stray demon so we couldn't really fight him. So I signaled behind the summoner but in the invaders line of sight pointing to the summoner warning I was about to change sides. Then I start attacking the host -- just jabbing him -- and mostly fake fighting, mostly stalling and rolling, even though the host thought I'd betrayed him, and so th invader joins me running.
The host panics and starts running, invader in chase, me behind him. Then when we get to the other side of the bridge thing I again swift party and we gank and kill the invader.
We proceed to kill the demon and after he dies and backstab the host and get my vertebra.
Best feeling in the world. To be a free agent.
I summoned phantoms for greatwood
NO SHAME
>Can't lock onto the sacks
>Pyromancy is totally useless, hope you didn't specialize for that :^)
>>334253849
I agree with this pretty much completely, you described the way I play each one of these games, but for real, who gives a shit how some strangers on the internet play the game?
There's still challenge there, you can still ramp up that challenge by not leveling or going naked or whatever else people have been doing since DeS.
There's still plenty of exploration. I keep seeing people say it's linear, and maybe the world isn't as well interlinked as it was in 1, and free warping has allowed you to spend less time getting around manually, but each area is pretty massive and there's loads of shit to discover if you're into that.
I can't understand getting hung up on how other people play the game. If the game suffered from being casualised then maybe, but there's a game here for purists and tourists alike without any real compromise.
I hope you have fun playing your way, Anon. I know I am, nearly 20 hours in and I don't think I'm even quite half way, enjoying it a lot.
It's an Artorias Boss that won't stop spamming attacks
Lmao come at me fag my high stability shits on-
>Buffs
Don't even care, any Boss pulls a bulLshit combo like that, I'm gonna gangbang it like a white chick on south Detroid.
>>334255958
>people waste awesome fights like artorias just because they refuse to try
Truly sad.
>Invading in full Dick wraith regalia right outside Abyss Watchers
>Always two sunbros
I'm a little annoyed with the new invasion system, since it just encourages people to "r1" spam together, but it IS encouraging me to git gud.
Every now and again Ill get in a position to fight with my fellow Dickwraiths. Best feeling. Pic related.
>>334256058
My nigga. I've been fucked silly by so many ganksquads that at this point I'm starting to enjoy fighting against multiple opponents, makes winning a lot of fun.
How many tongues you up to? I'm about to reach my 20th.
>>334255958
>he doesn't know how to read the boss
Fucking noob
>>334256131
10ish for me, started a new character today to do exactly this, so I'm pacing myself.
>>334256051
Artorias is fine, but you can trivialie the fight with a huge Stability shield, since it lets you block a flurry of attacks to plan for your next move. Like, waiting for the right move for you to take a hit.
Add buffs and it turns a "find the sweetspot to hug the boss" boss fight, and pray he doesn't do an AoE and combo you to oblivion, since even if you block, you still get your health shaved off and your estus goes down fast as fuck which forces you to rush your attacks only for the boss to chain you and kill you in a single combo.
>>334255935
>Pyromancy is totally useless
Just use multi-hitting ones, they still register "hits" on the sacks.
>>334255935
>cant free hand fire balls
>thinks that makes pyromancy useless
So sorry for the moment you reach izalith.
>>334256058
>muh equality
>pic
What about your own two allies then?
>>334256764
>every now and again
I rarely am able to put myself in a position to fight with the enemies in this short boss bonfire zone. It's often me vs 2-3 enemies in a narrow hallway. That's why finding ways to even the score makes me happy.
>invade as dark spirit in catacombs
>equip a whip and my WE WUZ KINGS hat
>drop items and point out hidden enemies to the people I invade
>gain their trust
>always end up accidentally dying
who /helpfulinvader/ here?
Wait, what does enabling voice chat do?
>>334257487
enables voice chat
>>334258720
Then why have I been doing gestures and shit instead of saying "Hey faggot, there is something here."?
>>334259083
Because you play Dark Souls like a real nigga.
>get invaded at undead settlement
>drop down to the lowest floor where you need a key to open a door and go through to get to it normally
>barely survive the fall without spook
>invaders can't make the drop because of their gimped health
Glorious
I summoned for pontiff because i was in a rush to get to the darkmoon covenant.
>ever getting help to do a boss you haven't done before
disgusting
first playthrough should always be all solo. you'll never be good at video games nor actually see why some fights are challenging if you bring phantoms
I don't summon phantoms, but I leave my summon sign to start of areas when I begin playing, to help others and get the feel for the area.
Is that better or worse?
>>334249423
>Every level
Only time I ever summon a phantom is to help me with a boss that I've died enough times on already. Otherwise I'm hollow 24/7I also only bro-op to help other people beat bosses, but this fucking fog gate bug is killing me.
>Get invaded on my own constantly
>Invader always sucks harder than a black hole and dies like a bitch
Am I just lucky
>>334259759
Your a half-faggot breed.
>>334259836
>died enough times
no such thing
learn from your mistakes and improve
even if it takes 30 tries
>>334260186
nah thats boring
>>334260218
Average American fucknut here
>>334260291
Invader spotted
Lol git gud scrub
>>334260319
Nothing you say makes any sense.
First of all, why am I an invader?
Why do I have to "git gud" considering you are the one getting phantom help for bosses?
>>334249423
I don't, I kinda do the opposite. I'll leave my sign down as soon as I can in a new area and explore the place as a phantom then i'll go through the area on my own.
>>334255014
>first time nothing in the world was animated, host just sliding around
This happened to me with the cursed greatwood except the boss moved around but was just sliding around on his ass. It was pretty funny.
>>334260319
>I can't play the game
>git gud
Crazy to protect your ego, huh?
>>334249423
I can understand summoning for boss fights, but not in between.
Also
>you have to play the game the way I want you to
>>334260896
Dark Souls boss fights are trivial and no challenge if you have a phantom with you
What's the point?
Any bro wants to help me with the dancer? Password is dancer
ps4
>>334261061
No, get good and do it yourself
>>334261083
I already played through the game and want to get the armor early on but she 1 hits me.
If you ever had to summon to either get through an area or a boss, and you tell people online that complain about the game being too hard, to "git gud", you are a pathetic piece of shit.
Real men play this game solo.
>>334249423
becuase i want big strong overleveled experienced players to carry me through a new level, and in return I'll let them pound my boypussy, just like lord gwyndolin taught mewho am i kidding, id let them pound my slutty ass even if they didn't help me :3
>>334249423
Man fuck multi-enemy bosses. Either you kite and chip for 15 minutes or you destroy them in 15 seconds with a summon.
>>334253881
>getting lost in the starting area
My african brother
>>334262372
Didn't think I would have to teleport
Should I put points into dex and str equally for a pure claymore build? Using 1h and 2h situationally. Any soft caps for vig, end, vit, etc I should be aware of? Just trying to keep equip load below 70% for fast rolls, haven't taken armor sets or shields into account aside from the default knight's
>>334262362
>Kiting
Bait attacks out then slay. multi-enemy bosses are only difficult or slow if you are trying
Would you?
I haven't summoned one yet, I don't like to until the second play through
>>334263579
Only "by slay" you mean "do a single light attack because the fuckwads that are behind the baited attack minion are already in the midst of their attack animations, the one you baited is already recovering, and the inflated poise/stagger recovery we give all these boss minions in almost every iteration means that punishing whiffs or playing aggressively is a joke since they'll just power through attacks".
I summoned for the tree and the abyss watchers. Tree was gimmicky bullshit, but I feel kinda ashamed for summoning for the watchers since I'd only died 3 times to them.
I also summoned an npc for the crystal sage in case it was part of a quest or something.
>>334253849
Butthurt invader detected
>Lol the only way to play the game is by MY arbitrary set of rules!
If i get stuck on a boss to the point that it's no longer fun I'll summon a phantom or two
>>334255948
>I can't understand getting hung up on how other people play the game.
I guess it diminishes e-peen. When your validation comes from beating so-called hard-games, you probably won't appreciate the thought of those you consider beneath you achieving the same thing.
I may need a guide with the swamp, I have no idea what flames I'm supposed to extinguish and how.
>>334263970
Tree was piss-easy, man, you're just weak.
>>334253849
>People got buttblasted by the truth of this comment
Co-op is for NG+ only. If you can't beat the game normally, you shouldn't have bought it. You've deprived yourself of something really great.
More invasions. The whole purpose of PvP is to piss people off, so naturally it's more fun to ruin someones game who tries to ruin it for other people.
I haven't summoned for any boss yet, but I am inclined to do so if I die on a boss too many times.
But I don't really care how other people play the game, and I don't get why this thread exists.
>>334264803
It was tedious though. Running in to hit that ballsack was annoying.
>put down summon sign in an area i already beat so I can have fun doing gestures in front of bosses
>faggot host refuses to lead the way and expects me to fight everything for him
>lead him into ambushes
>>334249982
>>334251849
>Tfw it took me around 20 tries to kill Abyss Watcher and 12 tries to kill Pontiff, I but never succumbed to the summon meme.
>get invaded
>slap their shit by myself because summoning is for faggots
>they hide behind an NPC
>whatever nigger I'll just progress
>for the rest of the area I'm haunted by some faggot trying to cheese an invasion kill
>they always accidentally roll off a cliff or get buttblasted and leave
"Muh honour" duel faggots are the worst, ganksquads are the worst but NOBODY makes me more mad than people who travel an area with 2 summons guiding them.
Takes away all the mystery and fun of exploring if you have two armed testicles vaguely blobbing away through the level, revealing every nook and cranny to you whilst protecting you from the invader shitters.
>>334265314
>dying to Abyss scrubs
>not beating every boss on your first try
>>334265314
>>334265870
I love how anons in Souls threads try to one-up each other.
git gud meme has broken the casul's mind
kek
>>334255637
But you both still get fucking rewards you edgy autist
>>334265870
>not beating every boss before you even reach firelink shrine
>>334255915
I thought it was established that there's no reason to summon grapefags because they can't enter the boss room?
Thus, your only real objective is to kill the host, and since you can't truly help the host has no reason to summon you.
It'd be better if you had the choice of being a dickwraith or sunbro and got rewarded for either action, which gives the host a reason to summon you but they must also stay cautious as they don't know which side you'd really be on
Plus your summoning sign is purple so you still can't deceive them
How do I become a sunbro?
>>334266764
Go into a far left house in Undead settlement, fall through a hole, pick up the sunlight medal, praise the soup.
>>334266764
you get the medallion covenant thing on undead settlement
>>334266372
The stray demon isn't behind a fog gate despite giving you a boss soul, and you can be freely summoned around it.
>>334249982
>If you are stuck on a boss and have died at least 15-20 times to it you can justify summoning
oh boy, here comes the wall of shame
>taurus demon 10+ tries no summon (don't even know if possible)
>bell gargoyles, no summon, 20+ (comparison: O&S, no summon, 5 tries)
after that, not much problems anymore, capra 3 tries, seath even first try (equipped cursering after be wary of curse message before attack boss), gwyn 2nd try
but then
>DaS2 arrives
>20+ deaths in forest of the fallen giants area, boss first try
>beat every boss below 5 tries
>every area has half of its enemies despawned because I died 15+ times everywhere
>STILL bought DaS3
the only light I see is in pvp strangely. human players are much less agressive than AI and give me tons of time to counteract.
>>334249423
Proud to say I haven't summoned yet, just arrived at Farron Keep.
>>334249423
I dont use phantoms for invaders.
I alt f4 every fucking time as I would rather lose progress than give you whiny fuckers your reward.
If you cant kill me by the time I alt f4 then maybe you should git gud.
>>334266882
I don't get the point of that soup, I found another pot of it in the poisonous swamp, but it was right after a bonfire. Why even put it there?
>>334266882
>>334266887
Undead Settlement is a big place though, how would I know where to look?
>>334267032
How did you open the gate to it?
>>334267013
You can drop a sign if you've defeated the boss yourself. You can talk to Solaire, then go back into burg and drop for Taurus, if you're so inclined
>>334267085
Fucking explore it. Go to the places you haven't yet visited.
because I can
>>334267013
Pretty bad, senpai.
You ever played a decent action game? Like really played on? At this point I'm convinced you're not playing them right.
Like you're staring at the player character and mashing attack instead of just watching for telegraphs and reacting.
>>334267198
m'lady
Is all magic garbage?
>>334267321
just a vast majority
>>334267321
Old Hunter's Bone is invaluable, senpai.
>>334267429
>>334267203
>Like you're staring at the player character and mashing attack instead of just watching for telegraphs and reacting.
I'm over 30 and was a professional quake 3 and aoe2 players when I was younger. but you are right, I basically never play with a controller and often panic in many situations where the camera fucks up, so I start mashing roll until I run out of stamina.
or the enemy attacks and I press roll too slow, which happens most of the time.
the best part is, I can log into aoe2 hd and hold my 1850-1900 rating easily and win easily more than 50% of my fight in DaS1+2, but PvE absolutely reks me. can't parry for shit, to be able to predict attacks I need to fight the same enemy 20+ times, and even then I'm often just careless, charge some familiar enemy and think "I thought this guy so often, what could go wrong?" and then I die to him. it's realy awful, literally worse than DSP. except I haven't resorted to cheesing yet. I don't want my pals on my favorite mongolian throat singing board look down on me on that one.
>>334267770
don't mind the spelling mistakes, austrian currently at work
>>334267770
Do you have any learning disabilities? Just perform really badly under pressure? But then, you had no trouble with invaders.
I mean, I'm trying to figure this out. Dank Souls, and the like, are fundamentally just very slow action games. They're not particularly special. Ys at a snail's pace with no BGM and a less retarded plot.
Maybe it's a mindset thing. You've set yourself up to fail.
>>334267048
thats so sad
should have been aborted faggot
I always find a way to exploit shit. I'm constantly knocking enemies off ledges or making them fall for traps. Being honest isn't fun and being dirty as fuck without outright cheating is pure enjoyment. Even better when I can meme on live people, it's why I usually stick to MP games.
>>334249423
summoning didn't even work whenever I tried it.
>>334268136
>Maybe it's a mindset thing. You've set yourself up to fail.
probably. it really goes like this
>spot enemy
>shield up, circlehug him
>attack at every opening
>2hand und roll against big enemies
>roll away from special attacks
but not getting hit is literally impossible for me. its like, "this enemy hold his sword 1,5 seconds in the air before striking, but this one does it 1,9 seconds though, but you brain still believes it's 1,5 seconds, dodge now to get hit!" and then I dodge to get hit.
in pvp, players usually don't have long wind-up times, so dodging early is seldom an issues for me. very little punish from most players for that. I can't really explain it, but it probably is the different attack speeds. in pve, I never know if the next attack will be extremely slow, quick, chained or long-range.
also, what I notice too is the adrenalin.
in pve, I feel frustration, curiosity and satisfaction
in pvp though, I feel the good ol' adrenaline rushing through my body. every time I get invaded, I feel my heart pumping like I just starting a rated aoe2 game. I feel more alive during pvp in general.
>>334249423
I'm pretty sure that's how all the souls games are designed. You're meant to summon phantoms who show you routes and help you learn the area. You're even watching white ghost phantoms and the red bloodstain ghost phantoms deaths. A whole pillar of the gameplay has always been learning from other players, be it directly or indirectly. Or, alternatively, trying to go through a new area as a phantom yourself to learn traps and placements to mitigate risk to yourself and your souls.
>>334249423
>souls games always had coop summons and invasions
>every single one
>people still bitch and one that one is okay but the other is bad
FROM clearly seems to think both invasions and summons are good additions to the game. Are you faggots gonna bitch about it in every single release?
>>334249423
>needing summons
>when you could easily sprint to most bonfires without fighting a single enemy
>>334268961
The game is not designed with the intention of 1-3 people babysitting you and killing everything instantly and it's fucking retarded that you would imply anything like that simply because you can see ghosts and bloodstains.
>>334268838
Sounds like a case of beeing bad at videogames
online doctor suggests gitting gud
>>334269069
yes the answer is allways yes
playing offline has been a lot of fun, but most bosses have been really easy solo.
pontus the orange and blue dude was probably the hardest boss i've fought so far.
pve is fun though, and i wouldnt summon but i would put down my soap sign
i let people summon me then do the fight over and over until i beat it with people.
then i go and try by myself. you only get 2 estus if you get summoned.
it's cool though because of the ember and the tree dude gives good XP because of the adds.
i'm probably strong enough at this point where i can solo everything first try.
>>334269197
g-g-it g-gud f-fag
>>334249423
I don't. I white phantom for other people to get the lay of the land or learn a boss' pattern then I take it on solo. Maybe I'll summon one sunbro just to get a medal so when I find the covenant I can upgrade sooner.
Where do I find the magic dude?
>>334265314
it took me 2 tries to kill abyss watcher, but the pontiff was fucking overkill for me, at least 20 tries, then i remeber to burn the bones in the bonfire, get my estus +4, after that i beat him
>>334264617
It has nothing to do with E-peen, it's just frustrating to watch because you're not enjoying the game to its fullest. I have a friend who called DS1 and 2 a "Pretty decent beat-em-up", because he played through both those games with two of his friends that had beaten them multiple times before he even picked up the controller. I even watched him stream his play once, and he just boringly followed behind his two friends, occasionally getting backstabs while just running through the area totally uninterested in the world or the gameplay. He wasn't playing DS because it was an incredibly well crafted game, he was just playing it because it was multiplayer. He could have been doing literally anything else, and his lack of interest in anything that was happening showed that.
After this, I asked him to at least TRY to play a few hours of DS3 without his friends pulling him along. DS3 is now one of his favorite games. He's fully invested in the lore, he loves figuring things out, learning boss patters, exploring every nook and cranny. Playing the game as it was meant to be played.
TL;DR, boring food analogy. It's like sticking a Fillet Mignon between two pieces of bread and going to town on it, instead of eating it slowly and savoring the flavors. Either way you may enjoy the meal because it's core component is delicious, but that doesn't stop every other customer there from looking at you in disgust for doing it.
>>334249513
>Not playing completely solo and STILL trashing invaders who think they're hot shit
Do you even realize how mad they must get when they lose to someone solo? Think about it. They've probably invaded like 9 co-op groups to the 1 solo invasion they get with you, you're in the middle of fighting enemies and have estus drained, but you STILL manage to kill them. They're probably screaming at the top of their lungs.
I've never lost to a single invader once 1v1 in 3 (though one time I fell off a ledge conveniently at the same time I was getting invaded). I just imagine all the tears I've caused.
>>334249423
i've only used phantoms on Boreal Valley, and that's only because i'm doing a fists only build, and those white swordsmen are probably one of the cunty enemies for me to fight as my range is limited and fists dont stunlock anymore. It's fucking incredible how useless Demon's fists are, but i've come this far, so i'm sticking with it.
Otherwise i usually try to solo
>>334269197
I actually thought this was a thread discussing the mechanic and not just a thread for people to bitch and whine about co-op. My mistake. Teach me to not open a thread before replying.
>>334249513
But I'm gatekeeping the FUCK out of people summoning
It's only not fun when it's two phantoms plus another blue who don't leave the bonfire
I also ran into a group of two phantoms and another dark spirit gank squad the other day
>>334269969
What is it with /v/ and comparing everything to eating habits?
>>334270289
It's this but with internet arguments instead of hardware.
Should I reinforce my Irithyll or should I keep the twinkling titanites for other weapons (such as?)?
>>334254296
This happens all the time but people somehow defend this
>>334270289
It's becausefood and games are both interactive experiences that require some amount of input to consume, and eating is something that everyone does so the comparisons are easy to make as opposed comparing things to film or life experiences someone may not understand.we're all fat slobs who do nothing but eat and play vidya.
>>334253849
You might have autism, sorry bud.
I wish I could have summoned for Aldrich, that was a tough as fuck fight solo. Very rewarding though.
Also why the fuck is everyone so bad at King Skeleton, hosts die within seconds.
>>334249423
I don't, but I'm very grateful when people hit up my purple summon sign. I'm glad to help, for a while...
Or, if they know already, I can just aggro enemies to them
>>334249423
I only summon npcs if they are available. If its in the game it can be usrd. Summoning some faggot white knight is for girls...and i cant because i refuse to get ps+
>>334270909
>and i cant because i refuse to get ps+
Yeah fuck that noise.
>>334249423
I didn't because I only play offline and I'm not a faggot. Spent an entire night on Abyss Watchers, the other bosses were fine though.
I think that people who summon the first time they try the boss shouldn't do it because it makes the bosses a bit too easy. Give it a couple of tries on your own, and THEN summon if you just want to proceed in the game.
How the fuck does poise workwhy do enemies get hyper armour but not me, so painful wearing the highest poise set I have but fucking everything staggering me
>>334270750
People have been pretty bad at Aldrich for me, surprisingly not with skellyking.
>that one guy who couldn't get a second summon and wouldn't give up trying to get it
Enjoy playing solo
>>334270983
>Abyss watchers
>on my third attempt lose because the game dropped an input (nothing was buffered I pressed the button and nothing came out)
>get to like 10 attempts or so
>decide to summon
>shitty netcode or whatever makes it so that the critical battle entered doesn't trigger for the guy I summoned
>nearly killed him despite him having inflated health
>which would've been a normal kill (except it was also harder for me to kill the clones)
>this happened with the next two guys
>third guy died phase one really early and I killed the boss
tl;dr fuck summoning
Any new gauntlet/claw in this game?
>>334271182
>I pushed that button you idiot game!
No you didn't. Or your controller is broken.
>>334249423
I don't. I mash my face against a wall until I either git gud or git stuck something fierce.
Then if the latter (rarely,) I backtrack (teleporting in-area is for pussies) to the starting Bonfire of the area, which is the only area fags like to leave their Soapstone.
Then max 1 cause who fucking needs 2 Phantoms?
But most of the time, I just get over it and succeed.
>And then I get a Phantom
And then I play the game.
>>334269148
this was me in DaS1 so I could see everything before I decided where to go
Ended up beating Pinwheel first and getting stuck in the Tomb of the Giants. Took me about an hour to navigate blind, turn around, and then run past the skeleton wheels to get back to the top. Worth it
>>334271290
I was still using DoF on high back then which caused random frame drops, which made the input drop.
I still remember it with the utmost clarity, I rolled in, waited the time so that it wouldn't be the rolling attack since the hollowslayer's rolling 2H is fucking awful, pressed r1 and waited for the hit confirm, because two hits is safe and he was definitely in the threshold that would've killed him, but it never came since my character was standing still.
Dropped inputs is usually the opposite problem these games suffer from, it's usually shit getting buffered fucking you up, the original dark souls had some real weird bullshit with this you'd see if you put a decent amount of time into it.
>>334249423
because I'm fucking shit at souls game
>>334254224
I get invaded constantly. Every time I'm embered it's a constant guarantee that I'll be invaded at least two or three times before I die, so unfortunately I have to just build towards pvp since no one will let me just play the fucking game in peace.
I want to say it's therapeutic to just fuck up people who decide to invade my world, but it really isn't when I just want to play the damn game. I don't know if I've got a big target on my back or what, but despite trucking solo I can't seem to get these katana-wielding dumbasses off my back.
>>334272969
Why not justplay offline?
>>334249423
Because my friend and I bought the game so we could co-op though it together.
Also, 2v2 invasions are fun as fuck.
>>334273234
I can't collect sunlight medals, get summoned for shit or read floor messages offline. The game just feels empty. I feel like at this point I'll have to just suicide every time I get embered, it's a shame there isn't anything else that can toggle that.
Will someone just post trap porn already?
>go through every level solo
>gotten invaded 4 times so far
>Beaten them every single time with some good old fashioned HAMMERTIME
I don't even consider myself good at PVP but apparently enough to handle some scrubs. Enjoyable when that happens
Refined gems where?
My biggest gripe with invading in this game isn't that they're like 2 or 3 gank squads. It's that these faggots are almost always using shields. Like, seriously, what goddamn casuals.
>>334249423
I like to have friends.
I'm too lonely and afraid without a shiny yellow friend to help me collect treasures.
>>334249423
Despite having an unexpectedly hard time with Vordt and his ice nonsense, I have not succumbed to summoning, the souls games have just never really been designed for that to be absolutely necessary before, so why start now?
I do like helping people though, I just don't need their help.
>>334273989
I've seen people I know who were kind of average at the PVE just kicking ass in PVP, I'm not sure what's going on, are there that many new souls players this time?
>>334266174
Tough shit, wolf-fag. It's my kill.
>>334274764
Learn to kick.
>guy invades
>we bow
>we each get down to low health
>i heal and kill him
devilish. he got so butthurt he took a screenshot and raged on my profile
>>334277383
>Invaders getting upset at hosts healing
Fuck you it's my world, my rules, don't like it then don't invade.
If you can't 1v3 in darksouls, then you need to git gud and stop being a filthy casual.
>>334277487
I get pissed when invaders heal.
I fucked you up while at 10% health due to the enemies you hid behind.
Pansies I tell ya.
I'm playing DS1 for the first time, with the hopes of getting into the series, and I think I'm bad at it. I'm in blighttown and I honestly feel I'd get more out if the game if I had someone coop with me. Not as a crutch but a buddy to cruise with.
>>334249423
I don't. Phantoms are always getting in the way or trying to rush me. I'm fucking exploring and reading items.
>>334249423
Roll roll attack
>>334249982
I summon if I get close to winning bht then get fucked over by my character deciding that kicking is more effective than slashing.
>>334249982
>mfw my shit tier friend won't stop begging me to put my sign down for every single level so I have more souls than I know what to do with
>>334278829
Be stern Anon, you have to make people understand, point at that friend and just be like "No, stop it, don't be shitty"
