In the end, who was objectively better?
>>334245826
Kiefer by far
Hayter somehow managed to sounded like a kid going through puberty and having bronchitis at the same time
I don't understand what the big deal is, Hayder played Solid Snake and Kiefer played "Big Boss", just like someone else played Liquid Snake. Do you really think they got Kiefer for less money than what Hayder wanted?
Hayter is pretty good in the first 4 games but in peacewalker he sounds like hes phoning it in. maybe Old Snake did a number on him or something, idk. Chief Kief was good in phantom pain when they felt like it was worth the cost to get him to speak, and was kind of shitty in ground zeroes.
>>334246184
hayter also played big boss you fucking dunce
I won't scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea...
>>334245826
Hayter. His "cartoony" voice (as some of the most plebian users describe it ) is fitting in every game, even in LOLPARASITES V.
I love the Kiefer (adore it even) but whoever directed voice acting in GZ/V and PW screwed Kojima. They made Hayer and Kiefer sound like shit. That being said Hayter will always be a fad and Kiefer will always be cool. Hopefully he'll continue to do some game voice work here and there.
>>334246184
Yes. Kiefer stars in some indie shit you wouldn't believe.
Kiefer's best scenes>Hayter's best scenes. Too bad Keef only had like two of them
Quinton Flynn
>>334246184
The Japanese Solid Snake actor voiced BB in PP.
MGS1 Hayter > Kiefer >>>>>>>>MGS2 and rest
Hayter tried to hard in the later games.
>>334245826
kiefer
for some reason only fedorafags likes hayter i dont know why
Hayter by far
Kiefer isn't bad by any means but Hayter's voice is just so iconic that it's impossible to for me to view Snake with any other voice
Seriously I felt a huge disconnect every time Snake talked in MGSV
Good thing he didn't talk much
Even his PW voice I loved, it felt like the voice of an ageing hero, exactly like it should have
Replaying the games after MGSV really makes you appreciate Hayter a million more times because MGSV was like listening to a fan-dub or something
>>334245826
Hayter in MGS1-2 >>>>> Kiefer
Kiefer >>>>> Hayter in MGS3 thru PW.
Cam Clarke
>>334245826
They were both pretty good man. It makes sense in the context of the game to switch voice actors too. Kojima likes being a cunt like that.
it's a shame keifer was under utilized. the scenes he was good in though... fucking made hayter look like an amateur kid making a fan dub. you cannot even compare the two.
>>334247185
Clint was the manliest man.
>>334247106
oh jesus christ here comes the fan boys. can't even have a discussion without using the "icon" argument can you. utterly pathetic. it's practically a meme at this point.
>>334245826
Hayter brought carisma to the role, had personality and no one else could ever play Solid Snake. Should he have been Big Boss? no Kojima was retarded to do that, should he have been replaced? no this was the last Kojima made MG, he should have been there as well.
Kief? I have no opinion on because he barely spoke and what he did say was nothing special, nothing memorable.
Keifer was a really good Venom, but he wouldn't have been able to pull off Solid Snake like Hayter does, and vice versa
>>334246371
>but in peacewalker he sounds like hes phoning it in. maybe Old Snake did a number on him or something
It was the voice direction, he was being told to sound like that. He's since done the voice and sounded fine.
>>334247412
>t.hayter barbosa
>>334247383
It's not
It's just off
You hear a guy have a voice for 15 years and then it's changed
It feels super awkward and it's pulls you out of the game because you know the guy's voice should be different
To make a dumb example it's like when Dumbledore's original actor died and you just see this different dude acting very differently and sounding different and you're just wondering what the fuck is going on
>>334246184
>Hayder played Solid Snake and Kiefer played "Big Boss",
Are you aware that there are other games in the series besides MGS1 and MGSV?
>>334247106
>iconic
There's that word again.
>>334245826
Kiefer
Though Hayter's meltdown was better acted.
>>334247596
>Dumbledore's original actor died and you just see this different dude acting very differently and sounding different
It all went downhill after he died. It's like the spirit of it all died with him.
Objectively?
What if Kiefer played BB from the start in MGS3?
>>334247596
DIDJAPUYANAMINGOBLETOFIRE???/
Dumbledore asked calmly
>tfw kojima cut keifer's lines because raging autists were throwing hate at him
this is your fault hayter fags
>>334247740
>"not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts"
>>334245826
>In the end, who was objectively better?
As BB? Sunderland
Hayder will always be best Solid
>>334245826
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LmxXeKzbT8
>>334245826
keiefer
konami should remake the movies again just so that fucking faggot goes full nuclear on twitter
>>334247868
>implying
We all know they were cut so every last bit of space can be allocated to Quiet, the Lightning of the MGS world.and I hate that she was one of the only things I enjoyed about MGSV
>>334247868
There were no lines. Kojima is a fucking idiot.
>>334247412
>Hayter brought carisma to the role,
Charisma?
>had personality
Personality?
>and no one else could ever play Solid SnakeSolid Snake?
>>334245826
Kiefer did the worn down, tired, grizzled Big Boss well in MGSV. His acting chops showed. He would be great in a serious, story-heavy game.
The problem is he had next to no lines in Phantom Pain. He fit Ground Zeroes wonderfully. He had actual lines there.
Honestly, Phantom Pain tried to do too much, and one of those was trying to be a serious, darker Metal Gear but also trying to keep the zany funtime of previous games. By doing so the story and characters end up lukewarm and merely average.
For a fun, zany MGS, I want Hayter. If Hideo actually had some balls and maintained a serious atmosphere the whole way through, Kiefer.
>>334245826
Kiefer barely got any fucking lines so I have no idea. He had one good line delivery in the game so he probably would've done a good job if he actually had dialog, but for the most part he was just completely monotone. When I think of Snake, Solid or Naked, I think of Hayter, but it's not a fair comparison because Hayter actually got to perform.
>>334248079
[grumbles internally]Solid Snake is so good
Kiefer. Imagine Hayter trying to pull this off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VofQjhpkJpY
>>334248048
are there mods that can make quiets tits bigger?
>>334247868
Kojima changed his mind half way through the development and wanted Snake to be a silent protag. There's a pic with Shikinwa I believe taking about it. It really makes Kojima seem like a hack. Kojima doesn't give to shits about anyone by himself.
>>334248225
That really sucks. Keifer seemed really excited to get into a big time vidya gig.
>>334248205
Why do that when you can do so much more?
>>334248112
This is correct
>>334248195
It'd be fine. Even with the goofy voice, Hayter handled the emotional parts of MGS4 really well. They can both sound gruff and weary.
Best showcase of Kiefer acting is the low morale cutscene.
>>334247412
metal gear huh ?
>>334248290
i hope he gets another shot in a different game. i really liked him, he can do video game acting well
i can't even say because they gave keifer like 10 lines in the whole game, it was fucking infuriating.
>>334248318
are there mods to make those tits bigger?
>>334248339
Metal Gear?! It can't be!
>>334248335
>Hayter handled the emotional parts of MGS4 really well
Ehhh, I disagree. He just laid the "old snake gruffness" on extra thick.
David Hayter is a bloated little pussy asshole who doesn't deserve the respect of being acknowledged in any way
His fuckin' speech about how 'if you don't go see the Watchmen movie you're not a true nerd' made my fucking blood boil
>>334248453
This whole ordeal has shown he is just incredibly whiny and unprofessional.
>>334248453
>'if you don't go see the Watchmen movie you're not a true nerd'
When and where did he say this?
More to the point, was there any REASON to replace hayter besides muh star power?
>>334248403
Shit anon perhaps? if there aren't launch cheat engine and make the edits yourself.
>>334248513
http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/screenwriter-david-hayter-asks-you-to-see-watchmen-again/
>>334248524
Real answer, no
Keif fanboy answer, shitposting and lies.
>>334245826
Both fit the tones of their respective games very well.
However, Kiefer has more range than Hayter and it shows. The scenes in MGS5 where Venom is quiet are subdued, yet have great emotional gravitas - you can feel Venom's anger and sorrow in just his whispers.
There's no way Hayter can ever pull that off.
>>334245826
After his attempt at reprising his iconic line in that VR fan project video, Kiefer.
>>334248524
Kojima and Hayter didn't get along.
Hayter obviously but Kiefer really didn't have enough dialogue to shine even taking GZ into account.
>>334248335
This was one of the best scenes in the game as far as venom goes he's actually acting like big boss for once. Sucks that I didn't and a lot of people won't see it in normal play.
MGS1/2 Hayter > Chief Kief > the other Hayter
>>334246993
Thank you for telling the truth
>>334248647
/Thread
>>334248195
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEIsPi3itwU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrL7wo5-nJo
im more mad at what an utter waste of a character skullface was
>>334248795
Who?
>>334248785
Are you kidding me?
>>334248647
/thread
>>334248440
MGS4's script was terrible, so I think a lot of why it was so depressing and miserable was in the performance. Ignoring the dumb throat cancer voice, I think Hayter did a great job sounding tired, dejected, resigned, and bitter.
>>334246591
Yeah, once.
>>334248795
He was pretty weII-written in his tapes, too. AII jokes aside, why did he wear a domino mask?
>>334248834
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>334248853
What?
>>334248195
Fuck, this sent chills down my spine.
FUCK Kojima for cutting out most of Kiefer's lines. Paid huge amounts of money and didn't even use the VA to his full potential.
Fucking hack.
In the end it doesn't even matter.
>>334248980
It's maddening.
>>334245826
I hardly even remember Venom talking in MGS V and I put in over 100 hours.
>>334248935
Because this is a kojimbo game
>>334248920
More than once you dolt
>>334248647
>There's no way Hayter can ever pull that off.
You're probably right but what a lot of people don't understand is that MGSV was taken in a very different direction. Before V MGS was an old action movie type deal, Hayter didn't pull of that type of stuff because he never came into the equation.
Saying that though the rare moments where it touched upon such things wasn't done badly, take Snake's self-hatred speech when you don't save Meryl, or in MGS4 when you see Snake's body shutting down but he has to compose himself.
I think MGSV has simply blinded some people or they're just not willing to listen.
>>334248225
prove it pls
>>334248195
>>334248980
Is this some meme I'm not in on? There's nothing that great about Keifer's performance here.
>>334249271
t. hayter
>>334249057
Mobile games don't count.
>>334249271
Go back to shitposting on Twitter, Hayter.
>>334248195
>mfw imagining Hayter growling with his throat cancer during this scene
Hilarious
>>334249345
>>334249383
>mad hackjima drones
>>334245826
Hayter did great in MGS1 and 2. He was terrible in everything since Twin Snakes. A change was sorely needed and Kiefer did a great job. It never made sense for Hayter to be Big Boss anyways. If Solidus and Liquid sounded different from Big Boss then Solid would too. Kojima fucked up casting Hayter as Big Boss in the first place.
>>334249724
>Kojima fucked up casting Hayter
agreed
>>334249673
This webm is fucking hilarious, and the detail is great. Still, just as funny, someone was mad enough to make it.
What's with this Neo-/v/ newfag Summer bullshit? Queefer Drunkerland is fucking terrible and a shit VA for Snake. He sounds drunk and slurs 100% of his lines. There was no fucking emotion. How sad with what little lines he had, he still managed to be a fuck up. Fucking B list straight to DVD actor.
>>33424990
Hi david!
>>334248589
Wow. He really is a whiny little bitch.
>>334246591
He means Kiefer voiced Venom Snakewho isn't Big Boss
>>334249997
Kiefer also voicesthe real Big Boss.
>All these literal faggots shitting on Hayter.
Fucking soulless millennials. Hayter fucking made that character in 1 and 2, i couldn't imagine it any other way. He should not have voiced 3 because it was a different character. In 4 he's eh, alright, it's hard to sound good when you are reading literal nonsense.
Who gives a fuck about 5? It's literally an unfinished game about nothing, that shit might as well not be canon as far as I'm concerned.
I have no problem with Keifer, what little he did he did great. But all this fucking anger being directed at Hayter is fucking dumb when it's that fucking hack Kojima that should have been getting shit on and laughed at since 4. Literally went Lucas and killed his own work.
>>334249902
Newfags who started with 4 and the HD Collection (like you) are the ones oblivious to the huge drop-off in quality in Hayter's performances.
>>334245826
Hayter.
Kiefer wasn't bad but he really sucked the life out of the role. Turned Snake into a completely different character (though literal as that might be in game.) Even Akio's performance was severely hampered by his "subtlety" (read: complete lack of presence.) Even when Hayter was at his most cartoonish, he had a presence that was really engaging and fun to watch/listen to. He fit in marvelously with the cast, and that made him charming, not to mention Akio wasn't reigned in by Kojima's sudden boner for "show, don't tell" storytelling (he's awful at it, because the story just ends up being told through tapes, anyway.)
Not to mention Kiefer's new subtle, "nuanced" portrayal of Big Boss seemed like a complete fish out of water around boisterous weirdos like Kaz and Ocelot. It feels less like he's communicating emotion through facial expressions and gestures and more like he's just straight up uninterested.
Kiefer was a mistake.
>>334245826
Kiefer just sounded bored, I far preferred Hayter.
>>334248054
perfect pic. that ride was really awkward
>>334250198
>Fucking soulless millennials
Unless you're over 35 you're one too buddy. And speaking as one go fuck yourself I think Hayter was great as Solid Snake.
>>334248647
>The scenes in MGS5 where Venom is quiet are subdued, yet have great emotional gravitas - you can feel Venom's anger and sorrow in just his whispers.
Jesus christ how flexible a brain do you need to pull off these mental gymnastics
>>334250218
>Kiefer was a mistake.
MGSV was a mistake
>>334250218
Fucking this.
Anyone that sincerely thinks Kiefer was an improvement has no idea what gave metal gear it's charm and should fuck off from the fanbase. Metal Gear does not do subtlety well, and Hayter was a pretty good representative of the silliness that made Metal Gear such a joy to play through.
Though that's not all Kiefer's fault. Hayter's replacement is a symptom of a far larger problem with MGSV.
>>334250347
>Unless you're over 35 you're one too buddy
The fuck?
>And speaking as one
Oh, you're a mongoloid, never mind then.
>>334250203
Do not assume to know me and my history, faggot. l was there during the bullshit Raiden reveal of MGS2. l was there when "SOLID SNAKE IS BACK IN THE JUNGLES OF RUSSIA!" when in reality it was a prequel with Big Boss bullshit. I fucking hate you newfags so much.
Hayter is fine in MGS1-4. Peace Walker is where l'll give you some credit to his drop off but many sources on the internet as well as horses mouths have stated it was voice direction. Not the VAs fault when the director tells him to keep his Old Snake gruff voice.
>>334250404
>fanbase
Kek.
>>334250430
Not him, but you clearly don't know what a millennial is thus are not a well-adjusted and mentally healthy human.
>>334250430
>Millennials (also known as the Millennial Generation or Generation Y) are the demographic cohort following Generation X. There are no precise dates for when the generation starts and ends; most researchers and commentators use birth years ranging from the early 1980s to the early 2000s.
Go be retarded somewhere else.
>>334246924
But he was actually good. Kojima realized how bad David was after Peace Walker
>>334245826
Hayter.
Venom didn't need to be Jack Bauer.
That's the only character fucking Sutherland can play.
>>334250404
>>334250218
Probably doesn't help that the motion capture doesn't benefit the game ONE FUCKING BIT.
Hand animated facial expressions are always more effective at conveying emotion without seeming awkward. I still can't play LA Noire without cringing at all the weird ways their faces move that awkwardly mimic emotion.
>>334250537
>Pulling out some vague description from somewhere written by some literal who that does not even validate his claim, to try and distort what everyone else understands is the meaning of the term.
It's your genes anon, they make you predisposed to stupidity
>>334250634
Hayter hasn't really done anything of significance other than Solid Snake/Big Boss.
>>334250593
>The man who wrote "Hot Coldman" on the script realized how bad someone else was
>>334250468
Do not assume to know me and my history, faggot. l was there when we got the butchered NES port. I was there when we got the shitty "sequel" that played like a generic action game. l was there when MGS was first shown at E3 in 97. I fucking hate you newfags so much.
>Hayter is fine in MGS1-4.
No, newfag, he is as fine in Solids 1 and 2. He was shit in Snake Eater, he was worse in GotP, and he was unbearable in Peace Walker. He hasn't given a good performance since 2001.
>>334250734
Yes, but he was iconic in the role, which is kind of the crux of all the drama behind his replacement.
Probably didn't help that his replacement completely phoned it in outside of one scene.
>>334250840
Hayter had been phoning it in since 2004.
>>334250734
Does it matter?
I like my Snakes to be snakes, not Jack Bauers.
>>334250707
http://www.pewresearch.org/topics/millennials/
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/03/here-is-when-each-generation-begins-and-ends-according-to-facts/359589/
http://www.goldmansachs.com/our-thinking/pages/millennials/
The last one has moving pictures, so you would understand champ.
>>334250973
>The last one has moving pictures, so you would understand champ.
>implying
Judging by his posts I doubt he knows how to follow a hyperlink.
>>334247956
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPnTa1UJPEI
>>334249902
Contrarian shitposters.
>>334248647
>There's no way Hayter can ever pull that off.
he pulled it off very well im mgs1
then for some inexplicable reason he completely lost the ability to emote with his voice and sounded like shit in every game since
Never forget
Kiefer "Kief the Chief" Sutherland
Kiefer "around blacks, never relax" Sutherland
Kiefer "the white race is the right race" Sutherland
Kiefer "the one-man Klan with a plan to replace Hayter in hand" Sutherland
Kiefer "wipe out the baboons in one afternoon" Sutherland
>>334252149
Kiefer "Smokin the reefer" Sutherland
>>334252028
i always thought the ending where meryl dies was way better acted and more impactful than that one
Both were total shit.
>>334252028
Did anything happen with that performance matters shit?
queefer was a mistake, objectively.
>>334249365
one of them does.
This is Kiefer country. The Sutherland, if you will.
>>334247185
that's his son on the right, right?
would fuck both nohomo
>Kiefer was in stand by me, you were in Guyver 2!
>>334252936
Guyver 2 was a dope ass movie and I would rather watch that a thousand over instead of Stand by me. But yeah, Hayter's not very good.
>>334252936
Kek, I remember this.
If they had a good use for Kiefer and a good reason to actually bring him in for the voice, then it would have been a smart move.
Since they wasted him, it was dumb and they should have kept Hayter.
>SHE SHURFIFFE?
>asliceofamericanpieoncommunistsoil, nice
Kiefer sounds like a drunk and there was no reason to replace Hayter. That said, Venom had about 2 lines total in TPP so it doesn't even fucking matter. Kiefer was the least of that piece of shit's problems.
LOL
>>334254380
>2016
>Yahoo
>>334252149
Kiefer "Not a very good voice actor' Sutherland
>>334249673
He wasn't too expensive... They wanted a different voice for a difference character..
>>334255257
That argument would hold water if they didn't keep Hayter as Big Boss in 3, PO, and PW, and didn't keep Akio in Japan.
>>334254683
How can you use a search engine I don't like in [THE CURRENT YEAR]
The only thing wrong with Chief Kief was that they didn't use him enough because somewhere in between watching Mad Max and Driver 37 times in a row Kojihack got the bright idea to just throw 70% of his lines away without rewriting the script to fit this huge change.
If only Hideo had been there to stop him..
>>334255393
Solid is a fucking clone of BB. Having the same voice makes sense. This is a TOTALLY DIFFERENT PERSON.
>>334255475
>being so much of a hipster that you use a search engine that died so hard it had to partner with bing
>>334255849
Except KIEFER ALSO VOICES BIG BOSS YOU DENSE FUCK
>>334255854
I don't do it to be a hipster m8, I use it because Yahoo is my homepage and has been for 6 years. Therefore, there is no point in changing a search engine that functions like every other one out there.
Now keep crying about my life choices faggot.
>>334247383
>I like hayter more
>OH BOY HERE COME THE FANBOYS GUYS JEEEEEESUS CHRIST
Anyone who says keifer only played V.
>>334256078
That's wrong you fucking idiot.They also played Ground Zeroes :^)
>>334255894
That is just laziness in my opinion. My point is that he is a different character, so that is why they got a new voice. Hayter basically said he would have done it for peanuts.
Hayter should have never voiced Big Boss.
MGS1 is some of the best, if not the best, voice direction in any video game.
Unfortunately the sound design of MGS games went steadily downhill.
>>334248195
>THEY WERE ON YOUR SIDE, AH, I'M ON YOUR SIDE!
Look I love Otacon but his voice actor should NOT have been playing Huey. He ruins these scenes worse than Hayter ever could.
>>334245826
For those who care, Hayter isn't being an autistic little shit who doesn't know he's not funny on his twitter account. He actually is that egotistical.
I picked up the Eastern Star release of The Castle of Cagliostro (which he apparently had a hand in financing or producing or some shit) and he had two (2) interview segments, one in which he actually "introduces" the fucking film. During his interviews, among other things, he still brags about being the guy who wrote X-Men (16 years ago, get over it), thinks Wolves is something worth bragging about, and just talks about his life's story in general, as if anyone gives a shit.
There's also a "new and improved" ending credit sequence that credits the voice actors like a Disney film, with a picture of each character and the actors that have played them throughout the years (original, 92, 00). And no, this wasn't made because the original ending credits are lost, because they are including in a shittacular sub DVD quality extra on the BD AND they were included in full 1080p in other releases. He also could have gone the route of making an English credit sequence similar to the Japanese one, but nope, he had to make sure the good quality one was the one with his name plastered first, as though he did anything special with this movie besides speaking lines in a booth 21 years after it came out.
Also, Tony Oliver is obviously the best Lupin III dub you egotistical fuck.
>>334245826
Was it more did Kiefer hardly talked? This was by far the least Snake has talked in MGS like ever. Hard to say he was great, when he did next to nothing.
Kiefer did fine with what little material he had to work with. The ashes scene was fantastic with his low, sorrowful whispers.
That being said, dismissing Hayter as shit is just a meme by this point. MGS1 is still his best performance by far, granted, but even with the gruffer, "cartoonier" voice he had in the later games he atill managed to convey a fairly large range. The ending scenes of MGS2, especially the last speech, the overall awkward and dorky nature BB had in MGS3 and the bitter old man in MGS4, even with the sub-par script
>>334245826
There's a lot of subtlety in MGSV I couldn't see Hayter doing. Like when Chico is freaking out and Big Boss calms him down, the body language and the delivery nails it for me. Same with a lot of stuff involving Venom talking about his soldiers in Phantom Pain.
By contrast, I couldn't imagine Big Kief doing any of MGS2 Snakes dialogue. I'm confident Kiefer would have butchered the final speech. 4 is a bit hit and miss, I don't think anyone would have came out all sunshine and roses from such a terrible script.
>>334247868
No it's because he watched Mad Max
It's impossible to judge because Venom has about three lines, all with the same lack of emotion. The few tapes we do get Kief as the real Big Boss are better, but it's nothing Hayter couldn't pull off. Fact of the matter is Kojima was desperate to replace Hayter with a big western star, and he'd never replace Akio because he's a star. It was never about talent, regardless of who you think was better.
>>334245826
Hayter was a good young Solid/young Naked.
Kiefer was a good older Big Boss.
Hayter's voice in PW and 4 was horrible though. They should have dropped him for PW at least.
>>334261058
PW was entirely the voice director's fault.
>>334245826
>MGS1 Hayter>Richard Doyle>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MGS2 Hayter>MGS3 Hayter>Kiefer>Peace Walker Hayter>>>>>>MGS4 Hayter
>>334245826
Kiefer
I don't even know how this weirdo got his job on all the other games.
Hes also a whiny bitch, fking guy gave him a job, made him recognizable and he whines on twitter, fuck this fuck
I remember Hayter sounded great in 1 and 2, but that could just be nostalgia headphones. I haven't replayed those games in years now.
He started to sound like he was trying to hard in 3 and he sounded fucking terrible in 4 becuase he doesn't know how to voice act an older man.
Keifier is a much better actor overall, but you hardly hear him.
Hayter gets worse with every game
Keifer is bad
"its always good to hdfhdfnbjdnbjdfnbkdnbdfkjnbfjkn enemy"
>>334261571
He sounds the fucking same in 3 as he does in the first two, and 4 is just Snake but gruffer. He isn't meant to be legit old, remember, he's got accelerated aging.
Meanwhile you say that Kiefer is better but that motherfucker didn't say shit and when he did, it was barely distinguishable from Ocelot or Kaz.
These entire arguments are fucking stupid
kief by a country mile
>>334245826
Kiefer's voice is far better and sounds natural. Assblasted Hayter always sounded forced and never liked it because of it. Thank god he was replaced though i don't know if there will be another game with kiefer.
>"Mr. Sokolov"
Really this keeps haunting me since i played MGS3. Disgusting.
>>334245826
>objectively
Does not compute.
>>334261812
Yes, becuase I didn't state that I don't quite recall how he sounded in the first few games. So that means I always thought he over acting.
And how is accelerated aging not being old? He's shown to be affected by age in the game, but oh no, he's still just suppose to sound a little gruffier, right?
And if you couldn't distinguish asshole baker, medic, and Kiefer then you have hearing issues. It isn't even a valid criticism to actual voice acting either, if anything indistinguishable voices is the fault of the caster or director.
Both suck. They both sound like they're phoning it in, and they bring nothing to the character. Hayter at least tries to sound different (but falls to do it well), whereas Jack Bauer just mutters a few lines every 10 hours.
What does Hayter even do for money nowadays?
>>334264664
He's been in 8 different video games since MGS4, and supposedly working on a TV show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2TeGbNIm-E
>Kiefer's best performance is not even in the game
>>334245826
Hayter in Snake Eater, MGS1, and MGS2 fit Snake pretty well, then he got lung cancer or something then Chief Keef was better
>>334246993
Is he really so bad in MGS2? I thought he sounded fine in every game except the two PSP ones and maybe MGS4, even though he's supposed to sound like shit in the last.
>>334250776
Have you ever seen how bad real government codenames are?
I think he kinda nailed that one
>>334265326
It is. That's from the nuclear disarmament ending.
>>334249902
Hayter, what did we say about ranting on the internet ?
>>334265326
>kiefers performance is not even in the game
fixed that for you
>>334264664
Sit around with his thumb up his ass watching the interest on his millions keep going up.
>>334265995
So it's not in the game.
Kiefer would be better if it made any sense in the context of the story of MGS. BB goes from old smoker voice to Kiefer voice in the few months between Peace Walker and Ground Zeroes.
>>334266996
Go disarm nukes you lazy fuck.
>>334245826
On ps1 when standards were low he was excellent
On ps2 when standards were low he was excellent
On ps2 when standards were still low he was excellent
On ps3 when standards were rising he wasnt so good
On psp when standards were about on par with ps2 tier voice acting he was absolute dogshit who clearly didn't have his heart in it anymore
On PC and PS4 and Xbone when the last of us and uncharted and the witcher and all those telltale games with good voice acting and cinematics with lots of dialogue are popular it would have been a shit show.
I know kiefer had very few lines, but I couldn't imagine hayter saying 'hold her gut in' or 'im already a demon' without that weird flick he does at the end of every sentence.
>'Hunh on your feet soldier-uh'
>'WOLBACHIA!?!?!?!?'
>'I won't SCAtter your SORROW tothe HEARTless SEA-uh'
>>334247185
>Big-Boss-and-Solid-Snake.jpg
I don't get the point of that picture.
>>334265882
The game is a pretty big homage to the movie Dr. Strangelove. The movie characters all have names like that.
>>334245826
>>334246184
I'm actually happier with another person playing Snake in V, considering how the story goes. I've also convinced myself that it was the reason 'Snake' never sounded passionate about being Snake in V.
>>334267245
where are they with this shit ? I quit in february when I was disarming 10 nukes a night and ending my night with the same guys still having the same amount of nukes as when I started
>>334247617
Yeah, I hate it when people use words correctly.Were you posting parodically, anon?
>>334267245
Even Konami has stopped reporting the nukes count.
>>334248048
What surprised me most about quiet is that she doesn't actually look bad in-game, but screenshots make her look like a regress-chinned inbred.
They were both good but I don't have any sympathy for Hayter due to him acting like a god damn retard for 3 years
Kiefer.
He was better. Just needed more lines.
Also Hayter is a whining twat
>>334248054
Just convince yourself it's because it wasn't Snake, it makes things easier.
A forgetable voice actor for a forgetable game. Fitting
>>334245826
The actor.
>>334250218
Kiefer is a decent actor, but it's clear he had no interest in the role.
>>334245969
>Kiefer by far
Fuck off secondary, he barely spoke and when he did it was dull shit, Hayter was better by far
>>334255849
It doesn't make any sense for Big Medic and Big Boss to have the same voice, true.
It'ssymbolic!
>>334249832
its literally a single texture replaced. it probably took longer to find out where the texture was, then to replace it. im giving it about 60 seconds of googling and about 2 mins to replace it
daily reminder 90% of snakes dialogue was cut because kojima saw mad max fury road and thought max was so mysterious and deep because he didnt talk
daily reminder his crew thought he was joking for the first few weeks before finally removing it
>>334268713
They are both actors, they have both been in movies tv shows and have been directors so whats your point?
>>334245826
MGS1 Hayter > Kiefer > everything else
>>334247185
Too bad his kid didn't get any of his acting talent
>>334248795
All MGS villains, to some degree, suffer from being underutilized. Liquid and Solidus both have less than 20 minutes of dialogue in their respective games, partly because all the other Bosses hog a lot of time, especially Ocelot.
>>334254364
You sound like you haven't gone out for a few drinks with 'the boys' and done some stupid shit while drunk
and for that, I feel sorry for you.
>>334249673
>Too expensive
>Keifer got paid 40 mil every three seasons of 24
>>334250404
Hayter is great when the overall feel of the game is more campy. But when the lines require him to be dramatic and serious, Hayter fucks it up with awkward delivery. I love him as Snake, but in MGSV it would've been awful.
it doesn't even matter.
>>334268817
>it's the voice actor's fault that he had a minimum dialogue
>>334255849
Your voice isn't really determined by your genes.
>>334250973
>Most Millennials resist it as a label
I am a Millennial and really worried about it being the peak of Safe space tumblr shit.
God help us, I don't want to be like Sweden.
>yfw Konami, as their final release in video games, releases an HD remaster of all the MGS games with Sutherland dubbing over Hayter's lines
>>334268817
>responding to bait
how new are you?
>>334255949
Get with the times, grandpa.
