ITT: Games that are the "black sheep" of their franchise.
That's not Twilight Princess.
>>333776141
Fuck you. They need to make another game with gameplay styled after this
![CJ_AQqIWsAAG1yM[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1i1GvDo.jpg "CJ_AQqIWsAAG1yM[1].jpg")
The best part is that there is an in-lore reason for it being so different than the other games.
>>333776141
>>333776141
But i actually enjoyed the game.
Zelda II is in the top 5 Zeldas ever made. It's tied for best with the original IMO.
>>333776263
Do you not know what "Black Sheep" means?
>>333776278
The OP asked for Black Sheep not pieces of rotting dog shit.
>>333776491
or this, if a non-canon game doesn't count
>>333776531
Is this 2 or what?
I don't remember where Tiamat was in that game, but that looks like Leon so I'll assume Pandaemonium
>>333776761
>PoOps
>Not canon
I thought it was canon until something cooler overwrites it.
>>333776542
I unironically think Zelda 2 would be the best zelda game if it wasnt so cryptic. Its far worse than the original in that sense.
>>333776896
I meant if Snake's Revenge didn't count.
PO is (semi)canon.
>>333776602
funny enough, my favorite one.
>tfw it's my favorite in the series
Wish they hadn't taken out position switching and the realistic stages. Sidestepping was smooth as fuck too.
>>333777351
I fucking love Tekken 4, that boxer guy was fucking amazing in it. All them faints and shit.
>>333777351
>Love jin in 3
>Hate jin in 4
That's not Wind Waker
>>333776141
>>333777483
Steve and Marduk are my favorite post-3 newcomers. They're fucking great.
>>333776141
This whole meme started from a comment from Miyamoto that people misconstrued. The game was loved, and it was so hard for people to acquire a cartridge they would go cross state to do so,
If anything's the black sheep it's Wind Waket.
>>333777695
It's because of the crappy saving system.
Starting at zelda when you die is horrible towards the end.
The gameplay and level design is great though, i'd love some more
>>333777530
I loved karate Jin, honestly. Kazuya returning would've made his Mishima style redundant anyway.
>>333776761
The only people don't like PO are the people who were too poor to buy a PSP and play it. PO was fucking great.
>>333778141I loved it too
>>333776141
>>333776263
It's a good game but please explain to me why another game in the series needs to be made in that style?
>>333777138
Very much agreed, this was such a jarring tonal shift after the far superior FFVIII.
>>333777584
Not worse than Sonic Underground.
https://youtu.be/BzP9YjK-_TE
>>333777138
That's not Final Fantasy II. Final Fantasy XIII is pretty much contested but is still popular.
Final Fantasy VI to Final Fantasy IX was the golden age of Final Fantasy.
>>333776761
Or this if we only count the Kojima-directed MGS games.
>>333776707
which both of those games are
bioshock 2
>>333777018
Go play pic related.
>>333776542 Good taste anon.
But it's a shame it's linearity was preserved in LTTP.
>>333779085
Or this if portable entries don't count.
>>333776141
>>333776561
>>333776707
>He don't know about the Zelda games on CDi
>>333779492
fuck, forgot the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mHw5g55oC4
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mHw5g55oC4
>>333779492
They don't count as actual Zelda games, even if they are licensed by Nintendo.
They would be as much of Zelda games as the Tingle games.
Black sheep meaning a game that was hated for being too different than its predecessors, or just a shitty, unpopular game?
>>333776761
Portable Ops + was worse
AssCreed 3, despite being the same shit as the rest of them
>>333780275
I liked it because of all the extra characters you could play as.
>>333779409
I wish boxarts still used this sort of composition.
These days its all just some character standing in the middle doing some dumb pose.
Black sheep both in terms of being significantly different as well as undesirable.
>>333778624
>another small dicked VIII fan with a hatred for IX
kek
>>333780912
Forgot pic.
>>333776237
>Twilight Princess
>A game criticized for being too similar to a predecessor
>"black sheep" of the franchise
Huh?
>>333781014
Anyone who thinks VIII wasn't a steaming pile of shit is a complete retard.
Why even bother with VIII fans? They are the worst FF base.
ITT: retards who think Black Sheep = the worst
>>333781214
I didn't think that though. That's why I posted WipEout Fusion.
>>333776141
I'm surprised no one posted this one yet.
>>333781214
Majority of the time they tend to be. It's very rare for a "black sheep" title to be good.
>>333781496
Beat me to it, you fucker
>>333781214
I posted Tekken 4. If you can't see why it's the black sheep of the series then you're fucking retarded.
Metal Gear Rising
DmC Devil May Cry
>>333781832
still hurts ;_;
>>333776141
Is it bad I liked The Battle For Olympus better?
>>333781182
>>333781014
I see the Ninetards have come out to defend the wet fart that ended the Final Fantasy series on the PS1.
WHY
>>333776263
They did, twice, on the CDI.
>>333781039
Don't even bother with him. /v/ is full of retards.
>>333776263
Good thing they aren't.
>>333776542
Zelda II is unironically the worst Zelda game ever made, aside from the CD-i games. It is a major disgrace to Zelda I.
>>333779334
Unrightfully so, Infinite should be shunned not fucking 2.
>>333782202
And a top-down game called Zelda's Adventure. And all 4 games are complete shit.
>>333781832
But spamming Chu-Ko-Nu is super rad.
>>333776141
That would be the CD-i games.
>>333781214
I wouldn't post Ace Combat assault horizon here because the game is a fucking disaster. A far cry from being the "black sheep". It's closer at being the "black sheep" of CoD.
Zelda 2 is unironically my favorite Zelda and I love it to bits. The combat is so fun and intense.
>>333782168
>Ninetard
Nope.
Sorry about your shit taste.
>>333779334
I loved 2 the most actually
This is becoming more and more of a black sheep over time. All the GTAs still seem fun except for this.
>that horrible driving
>boring samey missions
>over-serious and morally hypocritical story
>graphics are too grey and dark
>shitty empty map
>friends calling you every 5 minutes
>worst soundtrack of any GTA
>>333782298
this is a fun game it just gets too repetitive near the end, definitely the worst yakuza game but id still give it at least a 6/10
>>333777351
The soundtrack is still comfy as fuck.
>>333781417
INFESTED TAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANKS
so much a black sheep it got jipped from even being considered a mothership title
out of the mothership titles, the game directly following this innocence is probably the biggest black sheep, deservingly so its an awful entry
>>333782095
FUCK, that hurts. What happened to that genre?
I kind of liked Renbu but changing movesets and removing characters was bad, plus only a few people had a musou mode
>>333782986
I really liked IV but the hardline fans get on my nerves, does TECHNOLOGY really make up for it being a far worse game in almost every other aspect?
>>333777351
came here to post this
I wish Tekken at least returned to this style of atmosphere.
>>333781015
>you literally lose hp to run
>you have pick to get exp or gold from battles
So many stupid design decisions
>>333776882
Epic Yarn is fucking comfy you bitch
>>333783912
Black sheep doesnt mean bad, senpai
>>333782986
I never understood why the driving in IV gets so much shit when SA gets a pass.
>big, bulky, ugly looking cars that feel like they turn on a rear pivot
I never had trouble controlling vehicles in IV.
It wasn't that bad.
>>333776882
What actually makes it a black sheep compared to almost every other modern Kirby? Like, say, Canvas Curse.
Nintendo's entire direction with Kirby is to have each new game have its own unique gimmick to set it apart from the others.
>>333783740
It really depends on who you are as a player. It made up for it for me--GTA to me is about dicking around FIRST and foremost--but I can easily see why it's the worst by most metrics
>>333782193
>>333781417
You know reading up on how this game got made was kinda interesting, even moreso because Capcom staff rarely ever choose to discuss it
>Capcom immediately started making it before DMC1 finished it's retail run
>instead of Team Little Devils, they hired a number of inexperienced devs who worked primarily in arcades and had trouble with the technology of the PS2
>the producer for this game really disliked Dante's wisecracking one-liners, so he asked for the current team to make him more serious
>that same producer told the team to do as they please with the development of DMC2
>Director was fired/quit halfway through, and Hideaki Itsuno was brought on to finish the job
>the original director has never been officially named which has a number of implications
>Twosome time, wall running and Trish were his ideas, with Trish being an apology for people wanting playable Trish and getting Lucia the staff wanted a new female character
From what else I recall, DMC2 was supposed to be a completely different game before they slapped Dante and friends on it, and the opening areas in that abandoned town and enemies like the harpies and monkey things were basically ripped assets from whatever it was previously
>>333783351
Microsoft tried to make a cash shop game out of it but it didn't work, so they threw AOE in the garbage.
>>333783978
Black sheep has a negative connotation.
It refers to something being different in an undesirable way, not just different.
>>333777483
Should chamge the name of that image to "do it faggot"
>>333784215
I really liked the game, to be honest. Some minigames were fun (repetitivem though), soundtrack is great, I liked the NPC quests, and the gaddgets were a great idea.
8/10 for me.
>>333784628
Source on these? I wonder what happened to the original director. You have to wonder what the hell Capcom was thinking.
I've also read that they prioritized making big, open environments because they thought that's why people liked the first game. Yeah, because that's why everyone played DMC1, Capcom.
Majora's Mask is more of the black sheep of the Zelda franchise. Which is why /v/ obsesses over it so much.
>>333780860
Is that a bad thing?
>>333780860
Plenty of Japanese covers still have lots of variety. Its mostly the western games that just focus on a black/brown background and a muscular, bearded man holding a gun.
As a generic stealth game, it's decent.
It really failed Hitman, though.Still not worst game in the series, though, that honor goes to Codename 47
>>333784718
>Black sheep has a negative connotation.
YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT.
BUT YOU'RE NOT ALONE IN THIS THREAD APPARENTLY.
>>333776278
Prime is the blacksheep haloidfag
>>333790861
>BUT YOU'RE NOT ALONE IN THIS THREAD APPARENTLY
That's pretty much what a connotation is
If the majority of people think a word carries negative meaning, then it has a negative connotation
>>333776141
The Room
>>333790861
'Black Sheep' is when something is not enjoyed by the majority of people (or fans), but still has a strong niche fanbase that claim it is good. So in reality, it does have a negative context. And those who like the thing wear it as a badge of honor. "I like the game everyone dislikes!"
>>333783421
It was so bad it nearly killed the franchise, they were told to go all out with DW7 and treat is as if it were the final game in the franchise because it very nearly was due to how bad 6 bombed. Had people hated 7 it would be over.
>>333790861
>black sheep
>noun-informal
>a member of a family or group who is regarded as a disgrace to them.
>Played the HD collection because I never played through the DMC series
>1 was really cool the story felt really on point gameplay was lacking but understandable because of its time period and the mansion was cool as fuck
>Get to 2
>Story is all over the fucking place
>Gameplay is just weird literally just keep pressing Square with Triangle ocassionally
>That final boss
What the fuck went so wrong? Thank God 3 and 4 SE saved me from hating it.
Not so much black as 'dark as the blackest void' sheep.
>>333792134
Wow I never noticed how sexy Rob Patterson is.
>>333792289
The final boss is literally one of the very few redeeming things in DMC2.
Despair embodied that is, not his initial blob form.
>>333791339
Why? I've seen many people praise this game a fair amount, what makes you say it's the worst out of all of them?
>>333790861
I don't think you know what the word connotation means
>>333792354
Dragon quarter was a good game.
But it STRAY far from the formula. That why it wasn't called BOF V but BOF DQ. Still, Rather than it killing the series, it was capcon being retards and forgetting the series like so many of their other Ips.
