What's the appeal of racing games that aren't Arcade-y?
>>333714112
If you have to ask, no explanation will satisfy you.
They are fun
>>333714112
Do you have any idea how much it costs for me to track my Corvette let alone build and train a legitimate off-road rally car?
>>333714112
because their mechanics are deeper
>>333714112
pretending to drive a 500k car and trashing it in process. can't do it IRL
wheel-to-wheel online competition is fun
>>333714112
Realism is fun you fucking faggot.
What's the appeal of videogames that are arcadey?
>One of the most common trophies on the PS4 version is "Crash your car so badly it ends your rally"
>>333714112
What is the appeal of racing games that are arcadey?
>>333715754
>>333714652
they're fun
>>333715870
Feels like you are floating through air with 0 physics, how is it fun?
Playing arcade racers reminds me of controlling a spectator camera in FPS multiplayer games.
what's the appeal of racing games
>>333714496
>wheel-to-wheel online competition
>current-gen Cruis'n game never
>NetherRealm Studios will never make a Kruis'n Realms game reminiscent of both the Cruis'n series and Motor Kombat from Armageddon
>>333714112
>why do people enjoy things that I don't enjoy
>>333716019
That's only because you are a lonely, salty faggot, who has to pretend he's the most hardcore out there.
If someone mentions playing war thunder, you start whining and mumbling something about dcs with $2000 worth of controllers being the only sane option.
If you didn't have fun playing destruction derby or burnout, you are simply a loser. You actually couldn't have played these games, because you were born in the year 2000. Fucking cunt.
>>333716196
>rTractor with wannabe schumi kids
Consider suicide senpai.
https://www.youtube.comwatch?v=WAvj0iY1Zig
>>333716196
>GTA Online.webm
>that feel when you'd get fucked into last place after taking an early lead because nobody braked into a hard turn and all of them rammed into you
>>333716390
LFS has even more first corner pileups thanks to it's broken tyre model and the communities' autistic obsession with forcing cockpit mode on and all driver aids off.
>>333716705
mostly on turkroach demo server perhaps. And it actually has wheel to wheel collisions, opposed to that clusterfuck of rfactor. and league racing was actually nice
>playing a sim
>not in cockpit mode
so what do you want to use, chase cam?
>Bought Dirt Rally
>Can barely maintain 50mph because I'm scared of crashing
>Can't turn for shit
>Finish the first set of rallies in 4th place
I don't think this kind of game is for me
>>333716390
How fucking angry are you. Can't even handle simple criticism. All those shitty strawmen accusations too, and you call me the underage. Grow up faggot.
Burnout 1 and 2 were pretty shit tier BTW, exactly the type of games I am talking about with floaty mechanics, not to mention cutscenes on every crash. Apparently 3 was better but I dropped the series with 2.
Destruction Derby on PS1 was good though, I wouldn't call that the same tier of arcade racer as everyhing else as your car was pretty easy to write off completely so you had to be careful with overturning. Also that game was more focused on smashing other cars of the road too, it was a much better Burnout, before Burnout. It's been a long time since I played but I remember it having some weight to it.
>>333717078
Was thinking of buying Dirt Rally, I'm put off by how terrible 100% of other rally games are.
>>333717260
I mean it's very sim-heavy so I can see why people would be into that
But even as someone who knows how to drive I can't turn for shit and it's really disheartening when you run off the road so much the game suggests that maybe you should reset
>>333717331
stop treating the car how you would drive on the roads in real life
>>333716963
>blaming demo drivers
When I played AS3 + GT cars was by far the most popular race and there was still a lot of crashing.Your /pol/ is leaking
>>333717078
Just keep going at it.
You'll eventually get into cornering and finding a good speed.
Or there are probably some vids on YouTube to help out.
How many hours you done?
>>333714112
I don't have any nice rally tracks nearby or a car for it and I would probably die within two minutes judging by my performance in racing games
>>333717419
But it's a sim, anon.
>>333717117
>cutscenes on every crash
Turn it off you faggot. Did you play test drive unlimited? Street legal racing redline? Any need for speed up to most wanted? How about rallying games like sega rally, cmr2 or ps2 era wrc?
>>333717552
yes, and you don't drive a rally car like you're on the regular roads abiding by the law
>>333716103
i wont ever have those cars irl
feels good to trash them into walls
>>333717656
then how am I supposed to drive a rally car
if I'm not careful I crash but if I'm careful I'm behind the splits by a full minute
>>333717260
The game is really good, but also very hard. You actually have to practice in DIRT rally
>>333714112
>no trackmania type stage with DiRT physics
reeee
>>333717772
throw it about, or rather, start in the mini cooper from the 60s and learn how to handle that, which is easy as fuck, then move up once you feel youre able to absolutely go nuts with the mini
>>333717772
git gud
>>333717838
This. Start in the slower cars and work up. Just like real life!
>>333717596
Is there even an option to turn it off in 1 and 2?
Yes I played almost every Need for Speed (including the original) up until Underground 2. I can handle arcade to a degree, I just hate the really floaty weightless ones like the new NFS games. Criterion games are the worst for this, I fucking hate all Criterion shit. I retried Burnout Paradise on PS3 and it felt horrible, tried NFS Hot Pursuit reboot, it was horrible to drive as well, found out devs are fucking Criterion surprise surprise. Midnight Club did open world arcade racer much better than anything Criterion ever did.
I played Colin McRae Rally, and V-Rally on PS1 mainly, but I did play 1 of them on PS2 as well as one of the WRC games. I also played Gran Turismo on PS1 a fucking shit ton. I don't know if it counts but Wipeout was really good, that is how to do an arcade racer.
But my favorite racing games would be Flatout. That game literally perfected driving mechanics. Never played a game that had better driving than Flatout 1 holy shit it felt good to master that, especially on the ice tracks. Flatout 2 arcaded it up a little bit, but was still really good. Hopefully Wreckfest will be a true successor to that series.
>>333717838
Than you'll learn to love the mini cooper also another good STARTER car if you want to drive a BIT faster is the audi quattro in group B,
easy to turn easy to accelerate.
>>333717078
I dropped the game in the first race, that shit is harder than driving a Ford GT40 on grease
>>333717784
Trackmania Valley is really close to Dirt
>Dirt Rally
>sim
Fuck off. This and other simcades that get hailed as "sims" by console kiddies fucking triggers me. Play something like rFactor or iRacing for an actual sim.
>>333718986
>Play something like rFactor or iRacing for an actual sim
You misspelled Gran Turismo and Forza
>>333718986
t. Dave "New The Final And Best Tyre Model Totally Without Magic Numbers Cooming Soon" Kaemmer
![confused-man-art-advice-toronto-1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fqsZ2hT.jpg "confused-man-art-advice-toronto-1[1].jpg")
>>333718715
>>333718476
Group B is more than "a BIT faster", and the Quattro's suspension is a bit odd and makes Finland lethal if you don't know what you're doing. I'd say the Group A cars are good for learning how to handle AWD cars, the Impreza is pretty damn easy to handle
>>333719107
GT and Forza are simcades too faggot.
>>333720346
Nope
Is there an option to drive with a cup of water?
>>333717078
50mph doesn't sounds bad. Also, it seems like you're just not thinking about drifting since you can't turn for shit - there is tutorial section in Dirt Rally, watch it.
i havent played a racer in years. my favorites are outrun 2006, initial d v3, sega rally, ridge racer, and daytona.
are there any games on pc that are like any of these? everything i see nowadays is simulation style, which i hate. i often see webms of a need for speed game here on /v/. anyone know which one it is?
>>333714112
Well I am not busting 40 buck son this game but Dirt 3 complete edition is on sell for & bucks instead of 30, is it worth it? Only racing game i played is shift 2 unleashed, it was pretty fun but the piece of shit kept crashing something to do with EA and online.
>>333721318
meant to say dirt 3 is on sell for 7 dollarus
How are you all enjoying the latest update? French cars sur get a lot of love.
>>333718476
>mini is cool for starters
>another good starter, fucking 4WD group B car
yet another goot started, rocket engine in trolley
wait, that's what group B cars are
>tfw came 12th on yesterday's 037 daily
What's your best finish /v/?
>>333720854
Buy a flimsy Ikea desk and a wheel. Put the cup on your new desk and crank the ffb up to 200%. Let us know how long you last.
Hard mode: Put your PC on the desk as well.
>>333721459
Alpine is so good it's unfair, beats everything in 60's by a mile. Renault 5 is awesome, exactly what 80's needed - a little less powerful than rest of the group but also shorter, easier to handle.
It was good update.
>New monthly event
>Get eliminatory damage within the first event
o-okay
>>333721394
DOOD THAT WAS AWESOME YOU SHOULD UPLOAD THAT TO YOOTOOB: The Game.
>>333722003
>mfw there's that exact sentence in Dirt Rally's loading screen
>>333721673
>MFW stacking the daily in the last sector because I flew into a tree trying to be too brave and sent both front tyres flying>MFW Today's daily is Pikes Peak Tarmac in the wet
They should stop lying to us and replace the models of Group B RWD cars with bars of soap.
I wish I was good at these games. They're fun as fuck with a wheel but I can't crack the top 3 at all in most stages.
>>333722229
I just checked, they removed the DiRT paintjob on the 405?
Why the fuck?
>>333722480
They said on the forums it was a Licensing problem they overlooked with the console version and they would have it back in a future patch once it's properly cleared with Peugeot.
>it'll never be finished
>>333723429
>"We want to show investors and publishers there's a market for Flatout-like games"
>Releases a dead game
Way to go Bugbear.
>>333721673
>finished monako part of monthly event as 1st, it moved me in entire event rank to fifth place
>four hours later, 60th
Middle part of top tiers in daily events, that's best i can do. But then again, i'm not too committed, after 70 hours i'm still in "elite" singleplayer tier.
I'm slowly realizing that only thing you have to get top tier is not fall off the track.
>bottom tier requirements: >30 minutes
come on
Still, i love this game. Really, this game and DFGT were one of my best entertainment purchases ever.
>>333724176
To be fair, the reward of bottom tier isn't even enough to hire the lowest of engineers.
>>333724593
I don't think money is an issue in this game. One-two singleplayer championship countries (even finished on lower positions) and there you are, ~200,000.
>time
Below elite, it usually takes half to one hour, also you can save after every stage and finish it in your free time
By the way, what happened to /v/plays dirt league?
>>333721570
Maybe it was just me but I drove the 1960s mini fucking well than practiced on the Audi and I was fucking in love.
oh well
I'm burned out on DiRT(thanks early access) already and now that it's out /v/ wants to talk about it.
>>333725294
>radiator is heating up a little
>>333724949
Pretty much. Once you reach elite/master's money is barely an issue.
Wish you could spend money to upgrade vehicles. It's a chore trying to max out every car, especially the 2010s.
Who else came a little when they read "tyres are now more resistant to fall damage" in the patch notes?
>>333725689i'd love to have cars locked in quick game until i'll buy them in singleplayer, that would be awesome, oldschool "unlockables" mechanics were the coolest
>>333721673
My best finish in a Daily was 3rd, best in a Weekly 10th.
I make the Top 10 in Dailies sometimes, which is pretty damn nice considering how outdated my steering wheel is. It is about as old as the CMR franchise to begin with.
Heres how i determine a shit racing game:
If you don't have to worry about spinning out due to heavy braking or power oversteer in a FR, its IRREDEEMABLE SHIT.
Some pad games get it right, but most are on rails and/or have terrible "pivot" physics.
>>333727090
So, is Dirt Rally irredeemable shit?
>>333727429
Apparently yes
>>333727498
I guess I should get a refund then, thanks for educating me
>>333727498
But you can spin after retarded attempt of braking, even on FR.
>>333715585
lol link?
I eventually got that but it was like 45 hours in.
I was on substance.
>play rbr
>steering like a madman
>desk almost falls apart
wew
>>333727835
is RBR good enough vanilla, or do i have to install shitload of amateur mods in order to make it cool and modern?
>tfw just bought beamng something and realized it's only good as a crash simulator
>calling Dirt Rally a sim
>>333729726
good enough, but mods add other cars and great stages
actually swap cars, not add new ones. And be sure to try online rallies on rbr-czech or rsrbr. I crashed out a lot, maybe not on first or second stage, but the emotions and so on.
>>333730018
what is "sim", then?
>>333717117
>apparently 3 was better
No. UC was better. 3 was by a completely different developer and was shit.
>>333730060
So, the "stock" RBR driving model is significantly better than dirt rally one? More realistic, allowing to do more interesting things?I'm not attacking RBR or anything, i truly haven't played it yet and i'm really interested
i guess i'll pirate it now to try what's it about - i can forgive bad graphics if it's really so great, and i guess it's great since everyone still talks about it
>>333730646
I haven't played dirt rally, I can't compare.
Also there's an easter egg hidden in rbr audio.dat. If you unpack it, you find an .ogg with a song. Don't stop my codriver or something like that. Made out of pacenotes and folk instruments.
There also should be some kind of widescreen fix, to correct aspect radio in 16:9 resolutions, because game has problems with them.
>>333716196
did /ovg/ finally do an F1 tourney?
>>333715585
You mean the steam achievement that is the third most common achievement at 73%? Behind only the achievements for buying a rally car and for rolling over?
http://steamcommunity.com/stats/310560/achievements
Yeah man, those console fags, such dirty casuals..
So how realistic is Dirt Rally and what are your sources?
>>333723548
Speaking of Bugbear, anyone play their earlier game Rally Trophy?
>>333720346
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/meet-the-gran-turismo-player-now-driving-race-cars-for-real/1100-6419397/
>>333731572
>GT Reality show immediately tells them everything they learned in the game was wrong and then teaches them the correct way to race against real oponents
>Consolefags still claim GT is a sim
I didn't think following a braindead AI train was realistic either, desu.
>>333731838
>Consolefags still claim GT is a sim
where? I've never heard this kind of opinion from anyone except full-blown normies who think trackmania is arcade, LFS is a sim and there is nothing inbetween.
>>333731995
>the REAL driving simulator
REAL
>>333730903
this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE0pIYiqt9g
>>333732089
>DRIVING SIMULATOR
it is real driving simulator
i can assure you, this is not the fake driving simulator. it's as real as software can be
>>333716196
I wish Trackmania had a proper online mode. The chaos would be unprecedented.
>>333714112
Do you want to spend the cash to take your own car out to go fast and race?
like, depending on what you do, it's pretty affordable, but you could get a lot of the fun of that in a simulator and without car maintenance or putting yourself in any danger whatsoever
>>333714652
It's different from reality. That's explicitly the appeal, to be able to do things that aren't practical/possible in reality, such as driving a car sideways at 200mph for half a mile with the nose nearly pressed right against the corner.
Despite not having the same kind of handling like a real car, arcade style games tend to have their own handling nuances and demands, and there are different things that keep the skill ceiling high (unless the game is really lazy shit, and I've played a couple like that).
>>333717117
Burnout 1 is a bit jank, but I really think 2 is fantastic. It's got satisfying handling and the game is more about skillful, risky driving and maintaining long-ass boosts than crashes, unlike 3 and onward.
It's a bit lacking in weight simply because you need to be able to get your car out of the way of things ASAP.
Arcade racing is pretty boring, it feels like you're stuck to rails. You could easily beat Dirt Showdown without even breaking.
>>333733843
Dirt Showdown is the worst kind of "arcade" though.
Actually, Dirt Showdown is the worst kind of video game.
>>333733935
the worst kind of video game is one that strives for realism
I shouldn't have to properly manage a manual transmission in a video game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xw8DJY7aZQ
>>333734030
>americans
More games should include Pikes Peak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVCeN2nhjrg
>>333730646
RBR's cars feel very weird coming from dirt. It's not always more realistic, but it is more difficult. Every stage feels like Sweden for grip and you seriously have to load up the front to get any kind of turn-in. The handbrake is tougher to use too - dirt's is a get out jail free card in contrast.
I prefer dirt's model overall still, but both are worth your time.
>>333734057
>professional rally driver
I shit my pants bad enough as it is when I take a turn somewhat too fast, how the fuck are people this ballsy
>>333734682
some sources state that RBR physics even has tyre deformation. Not animated like in rf2 or lfs, but still it's calculated. Quite impressive for a 2004 game
>>333734171
I'm so fucking sorry not everyone wants to play Forklift Simulator, Hans.
>>333735474
I hear Shenmue was good though
>>333734684
>this ballsy
>meanwhile, group b features rushing into group of bystanders at full speed, hoping they're smart enough to run away
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYIH7ApCxoM
even ~2002 there was still load of fans in every corner, imagine drifting into corner with your car headed in direction of bunch of crazy motherfuckers who thought it's a good idea to stand at the edge of inside part of your corner
i feel funny every time i see those ~150kmph on average WRC inside camera videos, but fans are still straight out frightening there
