It's better than Trigger.
>>333678240
Better than Trigger.
>>333678394
It triggers better.
>>333678240
You are actually correct
True, but Xenogears was better than either.
If it was so good, why didn't it sell well?
Why is she so perfect?
>>333678638
Because the Trigger fanbase wanted a 1:1 refresh of their cookie-cutter snes jrpg.
>>333678240
Said no one ever.
Better then Trigger.
>>333678985
CUTE
U
T
E
>>333678946
Maybe becauseit was better?
>>333678240
It was a disgrace as a sequel, and it would have been a mediocre if interesting stand-alone.
There is no greatness to be found here.
>>333678240
I see what (You) did there
>>333679180
>>333678957
It's so easy to spot the people without the mental abilities to grasp Cross' story.
At best it's a well intentioned mess.
At worst it's a pretentious mess of a game that tries to hide its lack of direction with high production values and poorly thought-out feature bloat (over 40 party members!).
>>333678240
Weak troll try to hide it better.
>>333679257
>people without the mental abilities to grasp Cross' story
>waaah they don't like my game, better strawman the fuck out of them!
>>333679257
You get one (you) this bad trolling real talk horrible this whole thread is full of it.
![78-dario[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ODr1ATf.jpg "78-dario[1].jpg")
It's a good game, I like it.
>>333679435
>>333679710
No matter how hard you try I'm not going to sit down and explain it to you. Go to Chrono Compendium or something.
>>333679739
Trying to not cheese this fucker with black plate.
Suffering.
>>333679435
Im willing to bet money you dont even have a full grasp on Cross's ambiguous story.
>>333678240
>Boring storyline
>A billion characters with zero development
>"Oh it was all just a dream" type of ending
>Atrocious battle system
>Horrible skills systems almost as bad a FF VIII's magic extraction
It was shit anon
>>333680197
>just a dream type of ending
Better than either Trigger or Cross.
>>333678240
Oh the trolling is real. Keep it up senpai i can smell a troll from 1000000000 miles away.
You fucked up bad sir.
>>333680504
I get that at the end Serge was returned to his dimension/timeline or whatever the fuck, but it had the same vibe of "i woke up and continued my life normally" kind of crap ending.
And since Serge was a silent protag, you cant even see the changes in his persona
>>333678240
11 double techs and 0 triple techs across 45 characters who all say essentially the same lines
It just isn't very much like Chrono Trigger. It's a fine game, don't get me wrong, but people who see CHRONO 2 expect more than loose story connections and positive energy spirits
Shame that it came out before the doujinshi market really exploded, Kid a cute
>>333680197
you forgot the embarrassing localization
>here, these foreign fags talk like a fucking leprechaun because wow foreign
complete shit
>>333680504
>>333680197
>>333681171
These posts remind me that I hope Game of Thrones ends with Ned Stark waking up in Winterfell in a cold sweat and just telling Bobby B he can't go and to make sure someone always tests his drinks.
>Serge
>Orlha
>Steena
Best party
>>333681584
patrician taste
WHO CARES WHICH CHRONO IS BETTER
RANK THEM CROSSFUS
>>333682158
Harle >>>> the rest
>>333678502
The hell is all this?
>>333682442
The mother of all infodumps.
>>333682646
Is all that actually in the game?
>>333682782
Yes.
>>333678240
(You)
>>333678240
It isn't. It's a great game in its own way, and I love it for the stuff it tried to do, but it was fundamentally hit-and-miss too often to be better than Trigger.
Simply put, Chrono Trigger was a relatively flawless game. That is to say that it specifically had very few flaws. What it tried to do, it tended to succeed at. Virtually every part of the game was anywhere from acceptable to great. Moreover, everything fit together, and it worked as a whole. The gameplay and story elements worked together, the pace was really great, there was plenty of optional secret/side content, and it virtually introduced the idea of New Game+ to the genre. I could go on. The list of stuff that CT got right is as long as my arm, and I can count the flaws on the fingers of one hand.
Chrono Trigger was an amazing game. Groundbreaking at the time and something that still holds up today.
Chrono Cross... isn't. It has some elements of greatness (the music, the combat system, the parallel worlds, some aspects of the storytelling, the overall art direction, etc) but it's all too diluted and spread out. Too many characters to give any of them good stories. Too long a game, so the pacing suffers. Too many story elements, so a lot of them don't get the focus they need to really shine. It's all just stretched out and blended together too much. Even the combat, great though it is, tried to do too much with too little focus, and so the game's balance just ended up wonky.
I love Cross to this day. I think the highs were higher than Trigger. But overall it just isn't in the same league.
>>333681218
2 triple techs thanks.
I'm pretty sure neo-/v/ is just old-/v/ baiting, The more I go on this board the more I'm convinced of this
>>333678502
Tldr
>>333678240
Go to bed, Gamepot.
9.5
>>333678240
>bait
(you)
>>333679739
>>333679994
Dario destroyed my asshole many years ago by 1-2 shotting my team (back around time before PS2 was around). I replay the game two years back and completely wipe the floor with him.
Have no idea what happen.
>>333682158
ORLHA
R
L
H
A
>>333678240I agree with you
Best music of any game, ever.
Story that most people were too fucking stupid to understand.
Comfy locations.
>>333683868
>don't use techs on him
>don't use black techs on him or face a wtf moment strong counter.
Use eagle eye+strengthen+heavy attacks 99% attacks=a dead Dario
>>333678470
>Underrated post
>>333678240
Chrono Cross is better than all the following games:
>Dragon Quest (entire PSX series)
>FF9
>Xenogears
It was the winner of late 90s easily.
I agree, one of my favorite games of all time.
Harle is eternal best girl, even if she was a dragon all along.
One of my favourite games and potentially my favourite soundtrack.
>>333684895
>20/20 bait
(you)
>>333684919
>>333684919
>even if she was a dragon all along
You say that like it's a bad thing
>>333684369
He was really easy, last time I fought him, and I've done it without even all the buffing you're talking about. Like I said, don't know why I ever had any trouble with him WAY back. But I clearly remember him 1shotting dark type characters at very start of fight, two-shot non-black characters, and three-shot white characters who barely damaged him.
I agree.
But hardcore triggerfags will forever cry about it not being a carbon copy sequel.
That's why they're called trigger fanboys, because cross constantly triggers them.
suck my dick i like both equally, also as stated Harle is best girl
>>333678946
>a sequel doesn't play anything like the original
WOW! Can you fucking blame them?
>>333678240
Cross was absolute dogshit and considering you won't find love for it outside of contrarian central AKA /v/ helps reaffirm that it's a garbage game.
>>333685347
>cute
>french accent
>a harlequin AND a dragon
>wears see-through pants
How can other girls even hope to compete
>>333686694
>>333685347
post more best grill
>>333686694
>>333686931
>>333678240
I actually liked it a bit more than Trigger because the plot made me think way harder.
If someone asks, I can pretty much explain Trigger's plot with no problem. Now if you ask me about Cross, there are still shit I cant understand myself even after replaying.
But one thing that Trigger surely did better was the characters and villains.
Besides that and the combat, Cross is superior in my honest opinion.
>>333687227
Hello.
>>333685831
>Everything is 100% different from trigger
>does not even look like trigger or a sequel
>battle system took a 180 turn
>that story is fucked
>shorehorned in trigger characters for lulz
>it's trigger in name alone
Many (you's) for you. This is not a trigger game this a whole new game.
>>333687260
Hey aceman, howdy
>>333678240
It has a better sountrack, I'll give you that much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J46RY4PU8a8
Not a single track from Trigger can compete with this.
>>333678240
I've never played past the part where you go to the manor. How far is that into the game? I don't remember very much, should I start over?
>>333686694
It also helps that she's not retarded like Kid
>tfw never played Chrono Cross
>tfw never will
feels good, I would never play a game that taints Chrono Trigger's story to shit
godawful artstyle
>>333678897
I love that pic because it reminds me of NiGHTS.
TIME
CRASH
GROUND
ZERO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmDbG_Ghmrc&nohtml5=False
>>333687727
>>333687514
It's the beginning
Better Art
Better Battle / Level up system
Better Music
Better Story
Cross is so much better than Trigger.
>>333683098
This is a good post.
Cross was just way too ambitious to pull off. The writing in particular took a really bad hit.
It's way more complex than Trigger's but that's not necessarily a good thing. It's bloated with subplots, plot twists and characters but doesn't give the needed attention to any of them.
>>333688251
>bait
(you)
>>333688251
>Better Art
snes sprite art > ps1 gross art
>Better Battle / Level up system
FUCK no
gimmick battle system
no active time
>Better Music
sure, but music doesn't make a game
>Better Story
NO NO NO NO
"see all the cool stuff we did in CT? let's just throw that shit out the window and let's actually make the future worse than before?"
How the fuck did the leveling system work in this game? I never saw a decent explanation. From what I remember, a character got a limited amount of boosted stats after a few fights. Then you had to progress to get one of those progress stars for beating a boss battle or something then the process repeated.
>>333688485
Trigger
Same face Dragon ball Z art
>>333688057
Good taste.
>>333688485
You got baited don't feed the troll that was a obvious troll.
>>333688658
You don't gain levels just though beating enemies you mainly get star boosts though beating bosses. Although you do get very slight stats increases though the random fights. But I think that only applies to your active party.
>>333683825
>>333685314
>>333689008
>>333688478
>>333680197
>ITT: all opinions that don't circlejerk my own are bait
motherfucking ebin
I just realized I've never beaten Cross.
I've played through it twice intending to finally finish it and stopped mid-way through the six dragons quest because it's fucking boring.
How long is disc 2? Is it mostly chronopolis or am I even two thirds through the game?
>>333689429
>turned bait
sorry all i can give you is a (you) don't bother you been spotted.
>>333678240
Only worthwhile thing was Mitsuda.
>>333689661
aww man, it's so easy to tell you are the same Triggerfag sammefagging all the bait answers
>inb4 takes 10 minutes to post an edited pic of how it wasn't him
>>333689008
Face it dude Trigger SUCKS.
>>333683098
tl;dr
cross is an amazing RPG
its just not a good CHRONO game due to time constraints
>>333681171
>>333681456
>>333680504
I thoughtSerge erased himself from existence?
>>333689434
You beat the six dragons, get your body back, chase Lynx to the dead sea, then fight the Terra Tower. You're missing out, senpai. The dead sea is where the bulk of the game's story is, and is what pushes it over the edge.
It's hands down, without a doubt, at least 500% better than CT.
>>333678240
I wish I had finished it. Got past the sea of time part where you see the ghosts of the kids from Trigger, and got stuck.
Left it with a friend in high school so he could try and beat it, then I started banging his ex girlfriend and never got my game or memory card back.
The pussy wasn't worth it.
what i never understand about the story is that if you start a new game+, Serge appears with the time egg in his hand, indicating me to believe that it was one of those never ending loops scenario
>>333689914
1 (you) bait
>>333688485
>ATB
>good
Also, anyone who thinks the story in CT is better has literally never played CC.
Holy shit, why am I even responding to such low-quality bait? Fuck this, I'm out.
>>333690245
oh (you) two but just 1 for bait posters.
>>333690352
i could say the same to you troll oh wait i did lol.
>>333688658
You pretty much nailed it.
You only level up from defeating a boss. Levels unlock new element slots on your grids, as well as the "ability" to gain new stats.
For a short while after leveling up, battles will increase your stats. But this only applies to about 5-10 battles, after which the process stops again until the next level up.
There kind of is an "invisible" exp thing, with regards to the temporary level-up thing. i.e. after defeating an endgame boss, if you fight weak enemies from the first areas, they won't give you stat ups. You need to fight level-appropriate enemies to get stat ups.
As an aside, and tangentially related, CC has an incredibly potent stat system. 3-4 points in attack/strength is enough to make a huge difference in damage.
>>333689661
>>333690312
>>333690380
>>333690447
>didn't even post the screencap
top fucking kek
>>333690447
You literally did not cite a single thing you disliked about CC's story, other than parroting the same tired bullshit "they ruined CT."
So nah, you're not even good at trolling. In my day, trolling was subtle.
>>333690753
>they ruined CT
>implying it was even remotely close to trigger
You can't ruin trigger if it was never a trigger game to begin with checkmate go play the game and tell me it's trigger.
i award you 1(you) for bait and -20 for trolling.
>>333690727
(you) top fucking bait
>>333690352
Chrono Trigger is one of the few games where ATB is totally justified and benefits the game thans to how its dual tech system and positioning systems work.
Also, its story is easily better than Cross, which is all over the place with a terribly mismanaged cast, hamfisted environmentalist themes, huge text dumps for necessary plot information and pacing issues everywhere. "More complicated and darker" doesn't equate to better and more intelligent.
>>333678240
It was a bad sequel to trigger. That being said it has the best music in the history of Square, and like everyone else said Harle is best grill.
>>333691008
>bait bait bait bait bait bait bait!
>(you) (you) (you)
man is that all you know how to say?
still no screencap mr. Triggerfag samefagger, but at this point you must be putting the final details in photoshop probably
>>333690569
>i.e. after defeating an endgame boss, if you fight weak enemies from the first areas, they won't give you stat ups. You need to fight level-appropriate enemies to get stat ups.
It's pretty much a more accessible version of the SaGa stat gain system.
Too bad CC is infinitely worse than the SaGa games.
>>333678502
>Tim B^Uckley writes an edgy Chrono Trigger fanfic.jpg
![[Procrastinating] Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun - 03 [BD-720p] [16E4C349].mkv_snapshot_13.36_[2015.08.20_13.06.19].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/X4AqHth.jpg "[Procrastinating] Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun - 03 [BD-720p] [16E4C349].mkv_snapshot_13.36_[2015.08.20_13.06.19].jpg")
>>333682158
Orlha > Harle > Steena > Riddel > Kid > Tia > Leena > Marcy > Miki > Irenes > Lisa > Janice > Marge > Luccia > Razzly > Leah > Rosetta > Mel > Zippa > Direa > Sprigg > Macha
>>333678240
THIS TBQH SENPAITACHI
>>333691075
>ATB is totally justified
It's never justified. Grandia did positioning properly without using ATB. So did Lunar 1/2. ATB is complete garbage and should never have been invented.
>story is easily better than Cross
How so? It's a pretty simple, predictable "teenager saves the world" thing. None of the characters have any depth, they're all pretty much stock anime cliches, and none of the arcs develop besides Magus.
>hamfisted environmentalist themes
Literally one cutscene in the entire game. This is how I know you've never played CC.
>huge text dumps
Yep. Confirmed.
7/10, actually had me going for a good chunk of your post.
>>333691413
yeah
i was playing saga frontier 1 the other day, lost my old main file, so i have to redo it with everyone again. playing as lute and fighting enemies or bosses in other areas makes you learn skills much faster.
still not sure if it matters if your by yourself or not, but i do know that battle rank effects it.
damn if the series doesn't have an amazing soundtrack too. i got the 20th anniversary box that has from SaGa 1 on gameboy to unlimited SaGa and Romancing SaGa remake on PS2 soundtracks. its great, find it if you can.
>>333691575
Decent.
>>333678897
She was too good for this world.
>>333691575
>Marcy not in last place
>>333691663
>Superbait
>It's never justified
>90s kid
(you)
>>333683098
>Simply put, Chrono Trigger was a relatively flawless game. That is to say that it specifically had very few flaws.
>Moreover, everything fit together, and it worked as a whole.
Are you going to ignore the significant error of Trigger having multiple different applications of time travel effects within the same story?
>>333684895
>Dragon Quest (Entire PSX series)
So just the remake of 4 and 7?
Both which are good? Get some taste faggot.
>>333691575
>macha last
What'CHA talking about!?
post your most crazy parties?
Mikki/Leana/Razzly
>>333691714was it a reference?
>>333691663
>Literally one cutscene in the entire game.
I'm sorry did you miss the part where the dwarves are raping the fairies with giant steam tanks while crying about how humans are killing the environment and the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of the dragons?
>>333691714
Come on anon, she's having a little tantrum. It's cute.
>>333691664
Kenji Ito is one of the best composers Square has ever had.
>>333691714
Quality Squaresoft writing right there.
>>333691708
indeed
friendly reminder cross will NEVER come close to trigger in terms of everything but music.
Anybody responding is wrong and should realize that cross is not a trigger game but it's own /thread were done here.
>>333682293
truth. i kinda wish their had been a harle X serge ending.
>>333692050
it feels longer than trigger though
maybe its because i played trigger so much in 95-96 that it seems not as long
>>333692050
You're right.
>>333691663
>none of the arcs develop besides Magus.
Nigger did you not do the side quests at the end or did you go straight to the Black Omen? Or did you just go straight to Lavos?
>>333692073
There was, Serge was just in his furry form
>>333691786
>one cutscene in the entire game
>cites literally the one cutscene
Congratulations. You just proved my point.
Also, the dragons have nothing to do with environmentalism. They're Reptite gods trying to reclaim the earth from humans, who evolved "unnaturally."
I hate it because they push fucking Kid to no fucking end. I fucking hate Kid, why should I care for a random bitch who just showed up? Fuck you.
My Serge stabbing her would have not been out of the norm.
>>333691663
>It's never justified.
There's nothing wrong with it in Trigger.
You have a trade-off of faster characters getting a few attacks in or holding off and potentially doing less immediate damage so you can do a larger team attack. The system works and the games speed is fast enough that the battles pacing moves as fast as any standard turn based game.
This isn't Final Fantasy IX where it's just there because and takes an hour to accomplish anything. The system works well in Trigger, ties into the mechanics and battles are brisk.
>None of the characters have any depth, they're all pretty much stock anime cliches, and none of the arcs develop besides Magus.
Characters like Frog, Magus, Robo and Schala all had way more depth to them than a majority of Cross' cast. Saying they don't get development when they all have dedicated questlines and a focus arc during their introduction is an outright lie.
Besides Kid and Serge most Cross characters are completely optional and only have a vague influence on the plot. They have poorly defined motivations and because of the sheer bulk of them they rarely, if ever in some cases, get unique dialogue. Everything being put through a filter fucked over the developers abilities to craft characters who have their own voices and interact with each other, and it shows.
There's a few exceptions, Nikki, Radius and Glenn being the most notable ones, but their stuff is very sidelined and isolated from the rest of the plot. The rest just have silly designs and accents to hide how fucking shallow they all are.
>Literally one cutscene in the entire game.
I'm glad you somehow managed to miss one of the biggest overarching themes of the game.
What the hell did you think was going on regarding the demi-humans, the swamp, the dragons, the impact the porre army was having on the land and humanity being an irregular species? Are you totally unable to read into subtext?
>Yep. Confirmed.
You can't ignore the biggest issue with disc 2.
>>333692306
That kinda soured it for me, to be honest. Being stuck in your father's cat body is not ideal. I just really wanted an option to persuade Harle from joining the dragons.
>>333692937
I just wished for an ending to where you just left Kid to die but got your body back.
>>333692937
>I just really wanted an option to persuade Harle from joining the dragons
You can only persuade her to stay with you with the power of your dick
But Serge was too busy drooling over Kid, unfortunately.
>>333693127
WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE KID? NO FUCK YOU LIKE KID YOU FUCK.
NO OPTION KID IS IN YOUR PARTY.
YOU CAN'T TAKE HER OUT NOW.
p.s. FUCK YOU
>>333693247
That is actually what the game felt like at times.
>>333693247
>Leave Kid to die
>Get one of the best party members in the game.
Fair trade.
>>333693451
felt like? It was Cross. It defines it.
There are people who defend Kid even.
>>333692864
Most characters in CT have literally one sidequest that does not affect the main story in the slightest and are never mentioned again. Their characters do not develop, they do not gain any depth or complexity, and they never evolve beyond a terrible anime cliche.
Saying that Radius, Glenn, Fargo, and even Karsh have no depth is an outright lie, and a surefire indication that you have absolutely never played or finished CC.
CC has 40 characters, 10 of which are important.
CT has eight characters, ONE of which is important.
25% is better than 12.5%, friend.
>I'm glad you somehow managed to miss one of the overarching themes of the entire game
Oh? Where's evidence of this "overarching theme?" Literally what in the game has to do with the environment being destroyed besides that one cutscene? Point me to dialogue, character arcs, backstories, ANYTHING.
Keep plugging away with that damage control, though. Your saltiness is refreshing to me.
>>333693451
Kid was the most important character in the game. Were it made today I guarantee you 100% she would be the protagonist, another strong woman lead character.
>>333693782
>Kid was the most important character in the game
That doesn't mean I have to like her
Also she's not strong, she's a weak little girl who pretends to be strong
>>333693925
That's true. But you have to understand the game is mainly about her.
>>333694045
She can suck Lynx's dick for all I care.
>>333678240
in soundtrack then yes
>>333694103
Edgy perfect for /v/ posters though.
>>333678638
Terrible art style, awful gameplay, retarded pretentious story, shit on the only reason it even exists as a finisthed product chrono trigger hard core.
I can go on. It literally only has the fact that it was published by PSX era square going for it.
If you took out the superfluous and horrible ties to trigger and it was published by someone else, we would not be talking about that clusterfuck right now.
>>333693778
Someone needs to stop sucking CC's dick and replay CT again.
>>333694252
Why should Surge himself care? Why should the player care?
No Kid shoves her way into the story and the game pretty much says fuck you for not loving Kid.
>>333694424
>Why should Surge himself care?
Because he has shit taste
>>333694424
>game pretty much says fuck you for not loving Kid.
Except for getting shitload of options to keep ignoring kid and getting best characters by doing so.
>>333693778
Saying that the characters from CT's stories has nothing to do with the overall story and were bad because of no awful embarassing drama while lionizing the rediculous cheap and boring bargain basement drama garbage that were the CC's characters side stories...
The fuck?
And they all developed as characters and were changed by the journey. They don't all need to stand around and pretend they are all deep and brilliant and bullshit like that.
That shits for first year english majors who are terrified that no one will think their chicken scratch is all clever and profound and shit.
>>333693778
I doubt most people even remember how mediocre CT actually was.
>>333694630
>What is shoehorned trigger characters
They has as much impact as a Micheal bay movie.
>>333693778
>Most characters in CT have literally one sidequest that does not affect the main story in the slightest and are never mentioned again.
This is outright false and you're baiting.
The Guardia drama and the story of Cyrus and the Masamune are the driving factors for over half the game. The only character who's development happens purely through side content that doesn't affect the rest of the game world or narrative is Lucca.
>Their characters do not develop, they do not gain any depth or complexity,
Marle's a haughty princess at the start of the game who runs away from her problems, tired of being overwhelmed by her father. Over the course of the game she reconciles that relationship and comes to terms with her duty as the princess.
She's jealous of Lucca's skill as a scientist. She gets a crush on Crono that develops into a proper relationship after his death. She wants to take down Lavos because she can't accept the miserable future everyone lives in and believes fate can be changed. She likes ice cream. She's not the most complex character out there but she's a character.
Now tell me anything about the motivations, likes, dislikes, backgrounds and personal relationships of Mojo. Or Norris. Or Orcha and Ortha. The Macha family, Pip, Grobyc, Leena, Zappa, Sprigg, Zoah, Razzly and Irenes.
Explain to me what define Luccia, Greco, Leah, Doc and whatever the fucking aliens name was without mentioning their design, where you recruit them or speech quirk.
Cross' characters have more original designs, sure. They're not drawn by Akira Toriyama.
But they're stagnant characters who get a single scene, have nothing to do with anything for the majority of the game and purely exist for function. They just wanted a large party like Suikoden and didn't even attempt to flesh them out beyond their roles.
>Oh? Where's evidence of this "overarching theme?"
I'd comment on the Man vs. Nature themes, particularly with the fairies, swamp and Marbule, but I'm out of space.
>>333693778
>justifying 40 characters
that's time they could of taken to make the game better. fuck off
>>333693721
>There are people who defend Kid even
How?
>>333693778
You are the biggest bait yet i'll give you a (you) you have no idea what you're talking about.
