>Those people that go "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I WANT TO BE NEUTRAL! WHY DOESN'T THIS GAME ALLOW ME TO BE NEUTRAL!!?!?!? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" in an RPG
Is there anything more pathetic?
And to all you neutralfags, please post some compelling choices (or non-choices) a neutral character could make.
We've had this exact thread before
>>333343443
>And to all you neutralfags, please post some compelling choices (or non-choices) a neutral character could make
maybe I will, maybe I won't
>>333343443
I much preferred being all good than all evil in infamous second son personally
How come neutralfags don't understand that to be neutral would mean they were completely passive aka NOT A VIDEO GAME CHARACTER
>>333343443
>neutral fags
Whatever you say Siembieda.
>>333343790
what alignment would you call someone who does both equally?
>rpg makes you pick responses based on how many alignment points you have rather than the context of the situation.
It's shit.
>>333343443
"HELP WE ARE BEING ATTACKED BY A GIANT SWARM OF MUTANT SPIDER-BEES!!"
Side with spider-bees: Evil
Kill spider-bees: Neutral
Save people, moving them somewhere else away fro the spider-bees:Good
>>333343790
taking mass effect as an example, i think it would be possible to write a professional, neutral shepard who wasn't either space jesus or a psychotic asshole.
>>333343790
We've had this exact reply before
>>333343443
What makes a man turn neutral ... Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
Protip to neutralfags: The reason Zapp attacking the neutral planet is funny is because they literally don't do anything
>>333343443
The only thing more pathetic is actually typing "REEEEEEEEEEEE."
Honestly, just fucking kill yourself,
going "renegade" in any game with that choice almost never feels organic or natural, your character is becomes psychotic for this one choice and does something basically unacceptable.
>>333344156
>>333344069
Neutralmind
>>333344407
>player decides to play like a retard
>player blames the game
>>333343443
>And to all you neutralfags, please post some compelling choices (or non-choices) a neutral character could make.
staying neutral in stalker:cop lets freedom and duty abandon their silly rivalry
Real talk, neutralfags are the most pathetic betas ever
>oh well I dont want no trouble so ill say neutral
No you wont you fucking nigger, regardless of ANY stance, there is a side you lean more towards. Just because you dont care doesnt mean you are neutral
Is this the correct pronunciation for the word pleb?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E2S68iZsuw
Only the most uninspired of roleplayers act solely based on their alignment.
You have to act like your character, the alignment then forms around you.
Good, Evil, and Neutral players can almost always find justification to do the exact same thing. They just justify it differently.
>>333343674
kek
you neutral scum are some of the worse
I would rather have baby killing psychos at least they have real conviction
>>333344709
I want to be neutral because I'm tired of the "Donate all my money to charity" vs. "Burn an orphanage" dichotomy of bland writing in moral choices.
>>333344863you know how to spoiler, right?
>>333344970
:^)
>>333344804
Yes, short for plebeian. Are you retarded?
>>333343443
Why side with niggers from shit sides when you dont have to?
Or make your own one?
Why do i want be some dick whip slave for good or bad sides? Fuck those beta niggers, i will make my own path
>>333344921
BUT THAT'S GAME CONTENT YOU DUMB FUCK
WHAT DO YOU WANT GAMES TO DO?
>>333344709
I play neutral as if I were Jackie Chan.
>I want no trouble
>they want trouble
>kick ass and return to my own adventure
>>333344921
Shut the fuck up, faggot. You neutralfags just want to see which side has it better first so you can make all the right choices.
I hate these filthy neutrals. What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
Are there any games that feature morality choices that align with ideologies instead of good and evil?
Neutral is just a degree of evil.
>>333343867
Paragade.
>>333345232
How?
>>333343443
In smt 1 you can kill both gods and demons as netrual and it the cannon ending, get fucked
>>333345410
he who does nothing in the face of evil is just as evil
>>333345410
inaction > evil i assume
>>333345226
many games feature choices where you have to choose between factions (who stand for ideologies). i.e. fallout series
>>333343443
>paragon playthrough
>always picking the top right/left options in conversations
>probably don't have to even read it
Neutral just means you can do good sometimes and do bad sometimes. If you wind up leaning a way because of how you acted, that's fine. But locking the "fix everything" conversation options behind points is dumb as shit.
>>333345232
You can destroy both sides, y'know.
>>333345570
>heh, I killed everyone! I'm neutral!
that doesn't make you neutral. just a new faction of evil
Witcher 1 is still the standard for doing a neutral playthrough well.
>>333343443
What's wrong with wanting a neutral route? All it does is add a third route to the game basically meaning it would add extra replayability to the game.
>>333345283
Renegon
>>333345410
Being able to stop an evil you know is going to happen but refusing to is evil.
Not as evil as doing it yourself but still evil.
UNLESS you're playing some kinda super speed karma chess and this little evil lets you do super good later.
Then it's still evil but it serves greater good.
Alignments are stupid.
>>333345638
It not evil, pure fag.
It neutral. I dont agree with evil and "good", so they both can fuck off
>>333345638
>killing evil is evil
k
>>333343443
>not doing good when it's convenient and evil when it's beneficial like a normal human being
Autism makes life difficult.
>>333345903
>I don't agree with you, so you must die.
My how "neutral" of you Hitler-san.
>>333345918
>killing all evil balances out killing all good
this ain't fuckin' fallout 3
>>333345838
>not doing anything is evil
Fuck off, law fag
>>333343940
This is my biggest problem.
Putting all violent/non-violent solutions in the same basket is dumb as fuck.
>wimpy lawfags
>edgelord chaosfags
get fucked faggots, I like my shitty world the way it is, and I'm not letting either of you make it worse
Neutral just means if there are two sides you don't have to pick one to complete your goals not that when you are faced with a decision you do nothing. If a character was true nneutral they wouldn't be doing anything.
>guards are torturing prisoners
>not enough badguy points to tell them to stop
quality game
>>333345972
I said they can both fuck off, not die. But if it come to that...
im sure churchill was a saint though
>kill a town
>give people in another town a bunch of water
>neutral karma
>enable console
>set paragon and renegade points to max
>can choose whatever dialogue i want without fear of missing out on content because i didn't play as some hardline idealoge
feels good
There is no good and evil just you following your interest. Good and evil/karma systems are the dumbest thing in the world.
BioWare could never actually portray Neutrality correctly, anyway.
>Jaheria, the druid, is supposed to be true neutral
>she constantly pisses on about it if you're not adhering to a Neutral Good alignment
Neutral would be Captain Picard response where Shepard finds a planet of savages and just leaves them the fuck alone to develop at their own pace. Maybe he uses a Neuralizer on a handful of primitives who saw the squad while they were cleaning up an accidental mess.
>>333346072
i have a hard time considering the path walked between good and evil where you kill them both neutral. you're choosing your own side, but it's not a balance or an absence of belief, it's just a third side.
You people really need to learn the difference between Neutrality and Apathy. For example:
A) Refuse reward (Good)
B) Accept reward (Neutral)
C) Demand a higher reward (Evil)
D) Don't do the quest at all (Apathetic)
E) Shitpost about how anyone that doesn't swing all the way towards one arbitrary and often idiotic side is apathetic (Faggot)
All it takes for evil to prevail is to have good men do nothing. -some faggot
ITT: People who don't understand the neutral alignment
Neutral is not passive; neutral is not inactive. Neutral is a shade of grey.
Pic related is a neutral tv show character.
>going out of your way to be nice to people for no reason
>likewise going out your way just to be a total dickhead for no reason
Why bother? I just do what I think benefits me most at the moment in vidya. Neutrality is the only logical choice to make.
>>333345989
>Kill evil
>Good tries to kill you for killing
>Kill good in self-defense
>Still somehow evil
Goodfags just want a monopoly on killing, they label everything they want to kill as evil to make it seem OK.
What are you /v/?
>>333346323
Nice armor.
>>333346253
It a side that doesnt follow the opposing sides aka neutral
>>333346323
>A) Refuse reward (Good)
why does refusing a reward make you good?
>>333346253
it's neutral in the sense of abstaining from either extreme, but acting to maintain the current status quo is what makes it an actual choice, rather than a lack of choosing.
>>333346370
Black Robbin' Hood was good
>>333346498
WWJD bruh.
Kindness is it's own reward.
>>333346468
Forgot the pic.
>>333346498
Because you went out of your way to clear up a problem for someone who was willing to pay, but you did it for free.
>>333346498
Because the peasant questgiver needs it more than you do
>>333346468
lawful evil, always. Although when it comes to shit like SAVE THIS ENTIRELY USELESS PERSON WHO OFFERS NO REWARD or BURN ALL THESE BABBIES ALIVE, I tend to go with the former
>>333346580
Yeah well Jesus has god powers. Humans gotta eat.
>>333343674
underrated
Pragmatism is the better word.
>>333346604
The implications of this are scary.
>there are fuckbois RIGHT NOW that side with betatron
>>333346642
Don't mind me, just being 100% neutral here.
>>333346601
Generally chaotic neutral, maybe chaotic good if my character is pretty well off and I feel liking being a nice guy.
>>333346498
>why does refusing a reward make you good?
It doesn't. It makes the questgiver feel like shit because their reward isn't good enough for you.
>>333346792
Fuck you, son of man.
>>333343443
I saw this exact same thread not too long ago
>>333346553
>Black Robbin' Hood was good
False.
Good people aren't willing to murder. Omar murdered plenty, and he did it for personal gain.
>>333347073
>Good people aren't willing to murder
This is so wrong.
>>333346739
>I'll pay you $100 to kill my children for me
>No, keep the money, I'LL DO IT FOR FREE
>>333346897
And stay out of my planet, fag
>>333343443
People that go "REEEE" at all are colossal fags. Type a proper sentence or fuck the hell off.
>>333347335
>your planet
I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were the one who made it from scratch in a week.
>>333343443
>He's not a neutralfag
>>333347220
Kill and murder are not the same thing.
A good character will kill to protect someone.
By legal definition, that's not murder; it's justifiable homicide.
>>333343443
I typically go all-good, since it usually has the best endings (although Dishonored's "evil" ending is far more satisfying to play), but neutral is typically the most logical option, since, this being vidya, the arguments for good/evil are either extreme or shitty.
>>333346498
Because you are basically giving money away.
If a family ask you to for help on a task and they look like they can barely feed themselves, the refusing of an award means that you are letting them keep the money they need to feed themselves.
I generally refuse rewards in game because 90% of the time I dont need the money and the family barely looks like they have enough money for themselves.
>>333347458
No, but we were the one who booty blasted you and your """"""lord"""""" and say hi to lucifer to me.
Go play puppeteer somewhere else
>>333346895
THIS.
I hope someone designs a game where if you refuse a reward, there is a chance that you will offend the questgiver.
>>333343443
So true OP.
Only the fearless may proceed. Brave ones, foolish ones. Both walk not the middle path.
>>333343443
Paragon and Renegade is pointless because all people do is pick paragon or renegade every time because the game rewards you for doing it, defeating the point of having a choice at all
You might as well start the game with "do you want to be good or evil" because it's effectively the same thing in the grand scheme of things
>>333347073
Omar murdered and stole from thugs worse than he was, which is a good deed. Is the Punisher bad because he kills criminals?
>>333343443
Why are you posting this again?
>that guy who gets mad when he can't talk his way out of every battle
Pathetic cuck
>>333347749
>Is the Punisher bad because he kills criminals?
He doesn't just kill them, he makes a point out of brutalizing them, usually regardless of how bad their crimes were. He's not good or lawful, at the very least.
>>333345089
He wants choices to not be black and white all the time, you know, like in real life?
Or, to put it in a manner you can relate to: HE WANTS GAMES TO HAVE CHOICES THAT ARE COMPLEX AND NOT CLEAR CUT GOOD OR EVIL YOU FATUOUS FUCK
>>333347821
>that one guy that want to fight the talking guy
>get his shit rekt because the talking didnt really to his time with that guy but now gotta lay the smack down
Pussies, t b h
Reminder that Neutral Good is the only worth shit alignment out there
Don't care how what needs to be done, as long as it's for the benefit
>>333343443
I don't care about going the neutral route so much as I wish they wouldn't use moral categories like "good" and evil". There are way too many fucking reasons why this is a shit idea.
>be nice to someone one day
>stab him in the back the next day
Fuck neutrals, they're terrible.
>>333347749
>Omar murdered and stole from thugs worse than he was, which is a good deed. Is the Punisher bad because he kills criminals?
Attacking evil characters doesn't make one good. Evil attacks evil all the time.
The Punisher is neutral, just like Omar. Not evil, but not good.
>>333345838
Then you commit evil everyday. Consider the paradigm you set up - Every single bad thing that happens, which you can prevent with an effort made, will render you evil. Why aren't you in Africa, helping the starving? Why aren't you volunteering?. You'll then also have to clearly define what is evil. Is bullying evil, if it serves the purpose of maturing and hardening a child? Because some would argue that it is something that is part of growing up (This is a tame case, but you get the idea)
>>333348382
Dont bother with fedora law niggers
>>333343443
A neutral choice in my mind is something where when confronted with two decisions (good vs bad) you work it out where both parties get what they want but not to the degree that if you picked one only.
>>333347919
>I AM SILLY
I'm sorry that you're incapable of making choices when they aren't highlighted in red or blue.
>>333348382
>moral relativist detected
you bad
Apathy is death.
>>333343443
>Is there anything more pathetic?
People that decide from the beginning what morality to only play as for the entire game. Really defeats the point of a morality system.
It's not so much being neutral as picking good choices sometimes and bad choices other times
>>333343674
fucking kek
>>333348614
I'll determine that for myself, Kreia, you pretentious fuck
>>333346792
>>333343790
>Shin Megami Tensei
>Neutral means SLAUGHTER FUCKING EVERYTHING
Neutral is for real badasses.
>>333344496
>give the player option to be a complete piece of shit and build up piece of shit points to be the ultimate piece of shit
>game still railroads you into becoming the hero and ultimate savior of the universe
>not the games fault
>>333348083
>Not chaotic good
>>333348906
>SLAUGHTER FUCKING EVERYTHING
Neutral is for sociopaths.
>>333345051
Throughout high-school all of my teachers pronounced it "pleebian". Luckily I wasn't a stupid fuck and knew a bit of latin to know that was wrong.
>>333349328
Eh, we just dont wanna be ruled by gods nor demons, so we have to beat the shit out of both of them
>>333349285
Chaotic good is pointless
You're going to end up doing more damage than good
>>333346498
Because it makes you a janitor on a chinese cartoon board.
>>333349553
A chaotic good person is good for beginning a revolt against oppression. A neutral good person is good for the ensuing war. A lawful good person is good for rebuilding.
got bored and made thing. discuss and or continue shitposting
I feel like calling you a faggot nigger but I won't because I don't give a shit.
>>333350998
+5 good points
Helping someone is neutral; you fags don't understand that. If someone is trying to be a dick, you stop it because everyone deserves a normal life.
You also strive for more complex, meaningful solutions rather than
-KILL BADDIE
-JOIN BADDIE
Sorry you can't have your black and white no brain cells used in making choices games kiddos.
>>333350359
rouge likes to steal but still ends up siding with the good guys in the end, and I don't mean because she works for the gubmint
its difficult to have true neutral characters because if they don't have some kind of conviction they aren't interesting
>>333350359
Nah, a chaotic neutral would be more like Claude or an even better fit, someone like Franklin.
Tommy is too jerkass and assholish to be neutral,
>>333350359
Why would you mix so many different characters, at least stick to one franchise
>>333345176
If the game is written well there shouldn't be objective right choices.
>>333343443
Lawful Neutral > ALL other alignments
Chaosfags need not apply, go straight to the ovens
>>333343674
Ayy lmao
>>333343443
storyline choices in games should actually be about the story, its themes, etc. and not hamfisted game mechanics like morality bars
>>333351806
>hey guys, be sure to pay a tax on all this loot!
>what the fuck, why?
>the law says so!
>don't steal this info you will never have a chance to get again!
>what the fuck, why?
>the law says so!
FUCK. OFF.
>want to do the right thingbut be able to be an asshole to people while you're at it
>>333346072
The boot of law treads on the skulls of those who defy it
>>333351925
that's not what that means. you are the retards who also think chaotic means katie teh penguin of doom
quit ruining rpgs
>>333351925
>what the fuck, why?
>the law says so!
>But we can change it though, after all laws aren't absolute!
>>333351607
just the ones that came into my head as fitting when I thought of the alignments
>>333352048
No, that is Lawful Neutral at its constant and worst.
At BEST, you get a cool monk who just follows a strict moral code and just wants people to get along.
At WORST, and this is the most often, you get an overbearing faggot of a tattletale and spoilsport that isn't even doing it because they're a moralfag, but rather because they just have this innate feeling following strict rules somehow makes everything work out.
>>333352096
In nearly every video game setting the government is the one you need to steal from or they can't be trusted.
>>333352238
Into the oven you go, chaosfag
>>333352392
I'm a neutralfag.
Nice proving my point, you retarded parroting sheep.
>muh, muh chaosfag!
>>333343578
I'm almost certain there's some sort of conspiracy going on here.
Bet you anything this thread is gonna reach bump limit even though it's a copypaste, meanwhile if you try to make your own thread to actually discuss a videogame it'll die in under 100 posts.
>>333344049
Yeah just a guy trying to balance the situation and is not above doing what is necessary, but isn't going to kill people for no reason.
>>333352474
>true neutral
literally the worst
into the oven you go anyway
>>333345226Mass Effect
>>333352612
Neutral Good :^)
>>333343443
I don't want to be neutral but I do want somthing with a little more agency then you have to play total dick or total pussy to do or unlock certain actions or events.
>>333343443
>Is there anything more pathetic?
I think people who complain about other people wanting more than a binary choice in fucking video games is pretty pathetic.
>>333352643
No
Not by a long shot
Even in the first game many of the actions that gave renegaded points were out right evil in nature
>>333344709
Being neutral is the ability to not be locked down by morality and just do whatever I damn well please as the situation allows it, a good person would always pick the good option and a bad would always pick the bad, but a neutral can pick whatever he wants depending on the situation.
>>333352656
Not insufferable then
LN > NG > NE > LE > LG > trash > shit > aids > the rest
>>333343443
>using mass effect as an argument against neutrality
Yeah, because either being space Jesus or a cackling sociopath is such compelling storytelling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1pmAqKbakY
>>333352905
No, no.
NG = LG > LE > CG > LN > NE > TN > CN > CE
>>333353045
NE is some of the most fun shit to play, how can it be near the bottom?
>>333352771
actually some choices go against description
Freeing the red tick-mite should have been a Renegade action while just leaving it imprisoned for the council to work out should have been a paragon action.
>>333353045
>NE being that low
DO YOU EVENTRY TO CONQUER THE SUN
>>333351925
>not wanting to be Neutral Good
>not knowing that the world isn't black and white and that sometimes the law only protects those who are willing to abide by itg
>not understanding that blindly trusting authority makes you a possible pawn
>not realizing that when faced with the coming of an inevitable choice of choosing between the law or doing what is right and someone will make your choice for you
The only masters of their own destinies are those who walk the bridge they build with their own hands.
Those who walk the bridge made by their masters are forever confined to walking that one specific path unless they jump off the bridge and swim across.
>neutral
>beta
>not fist full of yojimbo
>it's a "alignment thread where people think law only means governmental law" episode
just fuck my lawful neutral shit up familia
>>333353369
LN can also be someone with a strict personal code that otherwise doesn't want a whole lot of trouble. No evangelizing, just living and fighting for a cause
>>333346110
This. So what if a planet or two gets whipped out. At long as you can save a few more ,that is what neutral is about. But no, we will be forever define as beta cucks.
Orc Baby wat do?
>>333343443
It's not as much about being neutral as much as painting red and blue is fucking garbage writing. Seriously that shit is the absolute worst, look at the witcher series. I only played half of the first and a little of 3 however that is the best choice system I have encountered in gaming. No bullshit karma, no stupid black and white choices, just choices that have different effects and let's the player decide what's just or not.
eat shit, chaotic neutral is the best alignment there is. It doesn't mean not acting, it means acting on decisions that you make for your own reasons and not because your evil demon dad would be impressed or because you don't want to lose your good boy paladin powers. You are free to be good or evil or neutral based on the situation.
>>333353528
Lawful Neutral is essentially placing someone elses cause above your own.
If you think someone else is better fitted to controlling who you are and what happens around you, it's not a fault.
Yet, in the event of a moral dilemma, instead of going by your own values, you go by the values of your master.
It's an easier life. But if freedom is what you seek you will not find it here.
>>333354042
>Lawful Neutral is essentially placing someone elses cause above your own.
personal code.
Helping to build discipline and purity helps for a healthy and trained mind and body
>>333353369
I am the Neutral Good poster.
True neutral thread?
>>333354021
CN people have a tendency of acting in self-interest. To them, self-service and "living in the now" is the best and only way to live. Decisions come hastily or don't happen at all if an individual with Chaotic Neutral as an alignment doesn't somehow benefit from it. In addition, CN usually has no regard to any rules or the people around him/her. "Might is right" is their motto.
A real-life comparison to a CN person would be a sociopath.
>>333343953
>Kill spider-bees: Neutral
But that's good though.
Now kill spider-bees but let me fuck all the girls in the village. That'd be neutral
>>333354241
>Always ends up doing good
>>333353528
No, that's LG. A LN can follow a personal code, but they don't do it for a cause, they do it because they realize it means stability. And stability matters above everything else. They leave the moving and shaking and hand wringing over morals to others. If faced with a hard decision, they go back to a strict guideline and very, very rarely deviate.
>>333354042
Yes.
>>333354351
Or fertilizer
>>333354140
If a personal code overwrites that of the law put in place by the people of authority, you are acting by a set of rules your own morality and values have set. You are, in short, going by your gut.
You are Neutral Good.
>>333354445
Cause wasn't the right word, but a cause doesn't necessarily make it LG
>>333354498
That's debatable depending on what exactly the code is.
Neutral is for indecisive faggots too beta to make a fucking decision/commitment
>>333354408
>doing whatever you feel is right, not necessarily what's in the interest of the people or even yourself
Sounds like a true neutral run to me
>>333354351
No, a chaotic neutral does not go out of their way to gravely harm another in the pursuit of their interests.
Almost all the rogues in Disney (Flynn, Nick Wilde in Zootopia) start out as CN.
>>333343443
>>333345176
t. Peter Molyneux
>>333351925
This is not Lawful Neutral this is Lawful stupid.
>>333354596
Or even worse, people that try to maintain balance between the alignments
fuck them in particular
>>333354584
No, personal morals that are followed when one does not believe that the governing body is correct means you are neutral. A Lawful character can RARELY do this can get away with it, but one who frequently disregards the law in favor of their own beliefs but also follows when they are cool is a neutral good character.
It's more like people are saints or fetus buttfuckers they fall somewhere in the middle.
So you don't get the good perks or the bad perks. That is what people mean.
>>333345410
You watch others die and suffer. You can be good and stop innocents from dying. You can be evil and cause more innocents to die. You can be neutral and watch both sides die.even the ones preventing innocents from dying.
>>333354618
No, but a CN would never run into a burning building to save someone.
"I'm just glad it's not me."
While not enjoying the death of someone else, a CN does not care. Were it a choice between a bag of money or a life saved, the CN would shrug and say "Shit happens" and take the money. He would be the corrupt lawmaker. The remorseless mercenary. A down-on-his-luck thief.
>>333354351
Sociopaths would more likely be any of the evil types than the neutral types
1. Lawful Neutral
2. Chaotic Good
3. Lawful Evil
4. Lawful Good
5. True Neutral
6. Neutral Evil
7. Chaotic Neutral
8. Neutral Good
9. Chaotic Evil
>>333354768
And if their code tells them to uphold the law and see justice done according to it?
>>333354596
fuck off roastie
>>333343443
>More choice is bad
Classic biocuck shitpost.
>>333354936
>CG anywhere near the top
>NE anywhere near the bottom
the rest is good but these taint it
>>333343443
>And to all you neutralfags, please post some compelling choices (or non-choices) a neutral character could make.
Huge final battle between the forces of good and the forces of darkness.
The world is consumed by war...The gods walk the earth... once great cities lie in ruins, the rivers run red with blood...
Neutral character - "I think I'll sit this one out."
>>333354596
Think of Neutral more as subjective and situational. The same action in a different scenario could be seen a different way. Being Neutral allows you to consistently choose the most successful course of action, rather than being funneled into siding with the same allies every time or being forced to do things you're not good at.
>>333354935
A sociopath doesn't actively seek to harm others nor takes pleasure in seeing others in pain. He will however use them to his/her own goals, even if it harms them.
In short, they don't care about anything else than furthering their own goals and self-preservation.
t owner of a psychology degree - the worst of the sciences
>>333354617
That's more chaotic good
>>333354928
Where does it say that about cn? If it was their best friend, or a family member, or even if they just felt like doing it, all valid reasons for a cn. The point is they make decisions based on whats happening in the moment and how they personally react to it, not because of a dogma or ruleset like a lawful good would, or acting purely out of malice and greed like an evil would.
>>333355073
being a vigilante is awesome
Negan is True Neutral.
>>333355139
That sounds more like neutral evil to me
>>333354498
But what if your gut doesn't always point in a good direction and you have to make many grey choices.
>>333355073
chaotic good is fun and slightly rogueish
neutral evil is boring, lawful evil is more compelling if present with a great argument. chaotic evil is just edgelord faggotry
>>333355040
There's nothing wrong with more choices, but neutralfags never can figure out what exactly a neutral character can or should do.
>>333343443
>more gameplay options are a bad thing
Todd Howard? What are you doing here? Go release the mod tools already, you ding dong.
>>333355162
but so is being a stereotypical manipulative jew
shit, it might just be the most fun thing
>>333354936
>True Neutral in the middle
kek
On a side note, as someone who is a Witcherfag, Neutrality means different things depending on the setting. For example, in the Witcher, neutrality means not getting involved in in politics. From Geralt's standpoint, this means only acting in his own self interest. Say in the case of the Witcher 2, youre prompted to help The Scoia'tel or Roche.
Neutral Geralt would pick Roche, because even though it means getting involved in the various wars, its only for the sake of clearing his name. Whereas if you side with Iorveth, youre actively taking a stance that isnt based on self interest
>people actually argue about these things
you all suck.
>>333354928
That's not sociopathic. The VAST majority of people would not save a person from a burning building. That's a neutrally moral position. A Lawful Neutral would figure that a fireman would show up, a True Neutral would figure they are not qualified for the job and risk death, and a Chaotic Neutral would simply figure that their life is not worth the risk. If any neutral character had a personal friend or family member at risk, they would do it because they want to, not because it's right.
A CN can be all of those you mentioned, or a druggie, or a more brutal libertarian, or ANYTHING.
>>333355139
That is any evil, not chaotic neutral. A Chaotic Neutral will never outright murder or rape and innocent for their own advancement.
So EA is already shilling again?
>>333355157
Give easydamus a read.
Quote:
>In direct opposition to the lawful neutral being, this character views ultimate freedom and disorder as most desirable. He sees good and evil in a secondary role, and neither should be allowed to interfere with pure chaos. Whether the individual chooses to do good or evil is of no concern. Violence is not a chaotic neutral trait, but adherents will often not hesitate to use intimidation and non-lethal violence to achieve their goals. These characters will almost always seek some selfish goal (such as acquiring wealth) in addition to the promotion of universal disorder, and are thus seen as "greedy" by others. Naturally, the chaotic neutral being won't see this as greed, but rather as "self-fulfillment." Thus, respect for others does not stand in the way of the pursuit of individuality. Since death is inevitable anyway, the chaotic neutral being isn't averse to speeding certain creatures on their ways if it's deemed necessary, although he won't go out of his way to inflict pain and suffering like an evil being would. Life can only be justified as a tool by which order is combated.
>>333355291
>NE
>boring
you haven't been playing it right senpai
Nothing better than stringing saps along and getting them to do your dirty work for you, then you make off with all the money and bitches when everyone else is dead thinking you were on their side
>>333354936
>True Neutral above Neutral Good
Family...
Yeah you dumb goyim go to war hehe
We'll just watch over your money while you do that
>>333355676
that's an NE approach
>>333355285
If you believe that your own observations aren't enough to justify a decision you are considering, you will hand off the decision to someone else, which would make you Lawful x.
It's not about it it's the best possible decision to make. It's about the decision that you see that is the one you believe is right. What is, to your morals, the correct thing to do. And morality is sometimes subjective. While all NG's would know that shooting a man because he has something you want would be wrong, two NG's might disagree with killing someone who has somehow wronged them or an innocent in the past. Since there is no specific set of rules for an NG to abide by, an NG goes by what he thinks is the correct thing to do. Sometimes, that might not be the case.
>>333355246
You are correct. Maybe a mild hedonist would be closer to truth, considering they act on their whims and pleasures.
>>333343674
>>333355676
EY WERE DE WELFARE AT
>>333355738
I don't even know what's "NE"
>>333355840
Neutral Evil - doing anything as the situation demands for self interest.
>>333343443
>nuking a town results in bad karma
>saving an important person results in good karma
>somehow this makes you neutral
That's not how it works
>>333355447
neutral good are boring fags. they're always generic "an ancient evil has awoken and i must put it back because it's my destiny"
at least with lawful good you get based kamen riders or captain americas. and chaotic good is just robin hood dickery. but neutral good is so....uncompelling
>>333355924
>filter
>>333355941
Yeah, I'm not arguing that (although I personally believe Lawful Good is less interesting) but how do you have TRUE NEUTRAL over Neutral Good if boring is your explanation?
True Neutral is THE definition of boring alignments.
>>333355380
pimp knight for shits and giggles
>>333355793
It just seems like someone following their morals could fall under the evil category, is the difference selfishness?
>>333355924
As far as biblical apocalypses go this. As far as fighting for nations I will fight for whoever I think is right. If I think neither are right I will fight for status quo ante bellum. True neutral mustard race
>>333355929
>nuke rat faced gooks
>save valiant american lives
>net karma: saviour of the wasteland
>>333345226Jade Empire, but nobody told that to the people writing all the quests
>>333344837
B-but muh evil powerups
>>333343443
Being Renegade in Mass Effect was actually fun, regardless of any legit criticisms of the games. Building a reputation, doing dickish shit, not having to pretend to care about every fucking dumb alien sob story that comes around...feels good man.
>>333349875
Sauce on pic.
>>333355941
Why? If someone thinks that they must do something because it was written in the starts, they are abiding by something someone else someplace sometime set. Which would make them Lawful something.
An NG wouldn't do it because it was their destiny or something. They would do it because they're either the person best qualified for the job or because no-one else is willing to make those hard decisions a "chosen one" eventually has to make.
If anything, that's the approach point of an LN.
>"I must do something not because it's right but because I must"
Is the whole reason we have such black and white insane choices because in america you guys are fed since the day of your birth the mentality of "Us vs Them"? I see that even in your political parties since you only have two instead of a more diverse or moderate way with three or even four.
I only ever see games with only two choices in american games, even yurop ones end up having a bit more choice for the player
I never realized people had such contempt for the concept of neutrality, but once again 4chan shows me sides of humanity I'd never have seen without its enlightening touch.
Most people in real life are some kind of neutral
I'd rather use the MtG color wheel to make alignment decisions. It's a lot more interesting and doesn't lead to pointless debates about what Good/Evil/Lawful/Chaotic mean.
>>333356253
>i've got nothing else to say to you
>how about goodbye?
>>333343443
walking away
>>333356421
yes, this blatant repost of a troll thread is clearly the majority of the entire website's opinion
>>333356104
Pretty much.
Morals are arbitrary and their definition is sometimes blurred.
If the idea of self-sacrifice seems alien to someone, the last thing they are is Good anything.
An LG, for example, would sacrifice themselves in a heartbeat if that was that saved 2 people of 4 people. Say, in a hostage situation.
>>333345226
Age of Decadence
