So, for those playing the Beta, how is the Fallout 4 Survival Mode?
>actually playing fallout 4
Looking forward to this more than I did the game itself.
From what i've read it's pretty harsh, and really changes the way you play the game.
I just hope they stay with the plan to take out fast-travel and manual saving, even though some people have been pretty vocal about it being too harsh.
>>333331674
You make this a better place
>>333332802
The institute and the Brotherhood still give you fast travel from their bases
Never played Fallout
Should I play from the start or from which one
>>333331553
>fast travel is disabled
>the only way to save is to sleep
>they cut you and your companions carry weight in half
>companions now git all pissy if "abandon" them after they go down (in other words when they walk off the side of that building/freeway you have to go and waste a stim on there dumb ass
They just don't know how to do things right anymore do they...
>>333333525
you should be able to fast travel from settlements
>>333332802
I love the idea of only being able to save on sleeping.
Before people say "just don't save" that's missing the point, not having the option means you don't take the risk. Like playing Diablo multiplayer on hardcore mode.
It means you actually act as though you are actually facing danger.
>>333331553
Would you like to play Fallout 4?
No (Recommended)
Yes
not going anwyehere near this game again until the ck is out
Take out manual saving? So if I'm playing the game, and have to leave to go to work or whatever there are people advocating I shouldn't be allowed to save my game? Bullshit. I want a hardcore mode but don't remove the fucking game utility please. What retard thought this was a good idea.
>>333333750
And just like with Hardcore mode, the correct answer is Yes.
>>333333515
4 is the best one from a game perspective
NV has a fun story line
3 is probably the second best game
1 and 2 are really bad, don't bother
you do not need to play earlier games to enjoy 4
>>333333928
>1 and 2 are really bad
You have to be 18 to post here.
>>333333928
>1 and 2 are really bad
Here's your reply. I almost think you're being serious.
>>333333928
> 4 is the best one from a game perspective
Kek
>>333333928
>4 is the best one from a game perspective
Yeah, if you're comparing it to FPS games. Its literally as much of an RPG as the newest COD game.
>>333333697
You should be able to fast travel as normal
The people that don't like fast travel already don't all this does is piss off those that do
I love it but im autistic
good luck actually doing any missions unless youre already high level and have OP armor
>>333333884
It's not hard to find a bed. It only takes 11 minutes to get from one end of the map to another. Besides Survival mode is meant to make the game a challenge and heighten the realism, save-scumming makes death meaningless.
>>333333897
bethescuck found
>>333333525
Sounds good to me
>>333334007
>>333334021
>mfw was kinda expecting these replies to that post
>Bait bitten this quickly
I like the idea of this, I just don't like the spike of difficulty. If there's 'realistic' shooting elements there's going to be so much saving and re-loading. The difficulty was fine before, just add the other shit and it's all good.
Maybe when all the DLC is out. I played it for around 30 hours and I feel as if I've already done everything I want to do.
Wait what was the "special reward" I don't remember one.
>>333334239
Right up until a bug gets your stuck or kills you and you weren't able to save any time recently or tcl out of the place you're stuck in.
>>333334239
Well I'm sorry about your declining mental function
>>333334397
cheevo
Is there a solid fov fix for survival mode?
I modified the ini and got the fov to 100 but there's odd bars placed around the screen. I think it's because of the fov change.
Anyway to fix that?
>>333333726
diablo hardcore isnt hard
>>333334208
Doesn't matter. I'll just mod it out if they add something stupid like that. I have a life.
>>333334438
Thanks
>>333334397
Achievement/trophy
>>333334460
That's special........?
>>333334505
Fuck off it isn't, unless you're making a build specifically for it you're clenching your asschecks constantly.
the problem is that they are selling survival mode as the ultimate hardest difficulty, this completely ignores people who just want the survival features like hunger and thirst etc.
>>333334543
No problem get better soon big guy I believe in you!
>>333334274
You have to be 18 to post here.
>>333334405
Survival mode won't disable console commands.
>>333331674
This. How could you take it out of the box? you should have kept it on the pedastal you erected for it.
>>333334405
I will agree with that. If they put the console in then it should be no problem. Hopefully they aren't that stupid enough to not put it in.
>>333334687
Yes it does, it also disables all mods. Go play the beta.
>>333333525
If this is true I kinda want to buy Fallout 4 now.
And by that I mean buy the eventual Ultimate Edition. And when on sale.
>>333334664
Feeling better already! Thanks again, anon!
>>333334685
Fuck off. I am 30, I was just expecting that people said that first two games are bad, be it serious or as a b8 and that others took the b8. I am the one that asked, fucktard.
![2179159-agent_smith[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3N81BfS.jpg "2179159-agent_smith[1].jpg")
>>333334526
And how exactly do you expect to mod the game, when you have no GECK?
>>333334725
So survival mode makes the game unplayable?
I want a mod where I can establish a brothel and collect my whores across the wasteland like pokemon. Is that so much to ask?
>>333334828
And the fact that mods/console are disabled on survival
>>333334819
18. To post here. https://www.4chan.org/rules
>>333334724
>>333334883
>>333334687
They've already confirmed no console (and no mods) if you're on Survival Mode.
https://community.bethesda.net/thread/2952
Jurassica is a Bethesda employee.
>>333334828
When do they plan to release the GECK?
>>333334819
you're replying to teenagers.
you're only doing this to yourself...
b8? ....
>>333334898
> Is that so much to ask?
no. just gotta wait for beth to shit out their hearthfire 2.0 dlc to cash in first before they let the ck out.
>>333335031
Im expecting it to be out after the last DLC, at the earliest.
>>333334898
Not if you're asking Belthan.
>People purchased Fallout 4
>People spent time playing Fallout 4
>People bought the season pass at a """"discount"""" for content modders could have implemented on day 1 with the mod tools
Pathetic
>>333335031
This monthFor one easy payment of just 10$!!!
>>333334828
There will be a work around I'm sure. I'll have to look at the game files once it's out to know but there is always a way.
theres a way to enable mods on survival but some mods dont work and just having the fix on seems to fuck up salvaging
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/11479/?
>>333335062
Damn but didn't Todd say earlier this year?
>>333335000
>Stupid parroting
>>333335042
>...
I am out of this thread.
>>333334997
Isn't that just for the beta? To ensure more accurate testing?
>>333334898
Clearly that's why they made it possible to collect Raiders in the next DLC.
>>333335127
>>333335173
you only did this to yourself actively replying to posts on 4chan.
a "30 year old" should understand that better.
It's not really not that fun at all. You need to eat and drink so much that you spend most of your time hunting for food and empty bottles to fill with water. There's really not enough much clean water around and you guzzle that shit down like a man in a desert so realistically you can never go too far from a settlement pump.
The save thing isn't that big a deal if you never really made frequent saves or quicksaves anyway. It's really just an annoyance since you need to haul your ass home, sleep and then when you awake you're hungry and thirsty all over again.
Also none of the farm produce seems to fill you up much at all so that's basically pointless. It's just a lot of busy work on top of the old super high damage "survival" mode.
>>333334142
The newest cod actually had a class system with specialization.
>>333335173Eighteen
I'm enjoying it so far. Not having numbers to show exactly how much something reduces hunger/thirst is annoying though. Also i've learned the hard way by instantly dying on 10+ one life characters that if you want to go without power armor you NEED armorer perk and ballistic weave/ maxed silver shroud armor.
>>333335012
Where does it say mods? Maybe they'll listen to the people playing the beta and include the console.
>>333335262
yeah the only thing i really hate about it is the speed of time
why the fuck do devs not realize nobody likes rapid speed time in survival games and shit, you can see literally everyone tries to mod it out in any game
>>333335248
Oh really?who are you to come and school me? a 30 year old too? fucking kids wanting to teach me how to post.
>>333335165
The game's been out for what, half a year at this point? Do not believe his lies!
>>333335179
Nope Bethesda already confirmed it's a "feature" in survival mode
>>333334828
Mods already exist dumbass. Please tell me there aren't people who still play this game vanilla. It's bad enough with mods.
>>333335382
>Where does it say mods?
Play the beta. The second you start Survival Mode, it stops loading your mods, it's exactly the same logic. Console access (and therefore mods) can be used to make Survival Mode easy and as such are blocked.
>>333335413
are you feeling harassed?
>>333335441
Hooray, you can swap models. How does that help with editing survival mode?
>>333335349
I see this as basically being like, Project Nevada Hardcore mode or Skyrim Requiem. Would that be accurate?
>>333335429
But Todd never lies
>>333333697
casual
>>333335413
You have to be 18 to post here
Rule 2
>>333335349
Sort of except with this if you're not wearing power armor and an enemy farts in your general direction you drop from 100% hp to 0% in about a quarter of a second.
>>333335562
>swap models
That's an entirely new weapon with its own set of attachments distributed into the level lists. There's like 14 other ones last time I checked a month ago. You only need the Geck for making new quests and locations and shit.
>>333334578
When is the last time you played it? I just bought it a few weeks ago and beat hardcore mode on expert my first time through and actually thought it was too easy. I'm on torment 3 currently and when you can change difficulty almost on the fly, there's no reason to clench anything.
For reference, expert is the highest difficulty you have until you beat the game.
>>333336105
I meant diablo 2, D3 is ez for hardcore until you're up to Grift 30+ depending on the builds
>>333335487
So there's really no mods or console in the finished survival..? If so, that's incredibly disappointing
what does the 1.05 patch do?
Patch notes only go up to 1.04
>>333335406
I don't know, I feel like the day goes long enough for what it is. It's more that you're eating like two mole rats, a pre-war snack and 4 bottles of water before lunch time. Realistic American diet I guess.
>>333336370
Gotta "earn" that achievement, bro.
>>333336105
>beat hardcore mode on expert
>I'm on torment 3
No shit it is easy.
The point of of the now is to complete all season journey quests on hardcore. Everything else is pointless and boring unless you can to do grift leaderboards.
Boy I sure hope it's more than Less health for you more health for them eat n' drink stuff because hardcore. Sleep too, because you just walked half way across the map for a random radiant quest that you've done before but can't fast travel to because that wouldn't be HARDCORE.
Oh yeah and that crafting system we implemented where you need to loot literally everything to take advantage of? Carry weight/2 = HARDCORE!
>>333336370
when i activated mods in survival using the fix, my save files said [Modded] next to it, maybe itll just disable achievements or something
>>333336231
In the original post >>333333726 I was talking about Diablo 1. (Yes, I'm that fucking old.)
>>333335793
>>333335570
Also another thing i've been seeing is i do more exploring before i ever come back to base.
For example here's what i do on a brand new character i made just for survival:
>fresh out of the vault run and get int bobblehead
>along the way pick up 2 bottlecap mines
>hide while the random fight SE of lexington is going on and loot the bodies for any explosives
>find 2 bottlecap mines by searching around
>kill super mutant near the cultists north of the library with a bottlecap mine and loot his rocket laucher and some missles
>go into library and get int bobblehead using 1 mine near where the super mutants spawn in at for free xp while also hiding like a punk bitch and killing any survivors with the rocket launcher proceed to loot everything and kill the protectrons with the missiles i have left to loot them
>swim to south of bunker kill and join railroad
>swim back to to the west side of map and help the brotherhood
>after getting righteous authority go do first railroad quest and get deliverer
>all before returning to base for the first time
Then of course i die like a tard and have to repeat the process because i didn't hit a single bed during any of the steps.
>all these people speculating how good/shit survival will be when you can just download it now and see for yourself
Do consolebabies not have access to betas?
>>333336930
/v/ doesn't play video games.
>>333336370
I'm sure there will be an anti-anti-mod mod.
>no achievement for playing in it
>it's in beta in a game thats already released that people have finished
What is the fucking point? Why didn't they just add it in the first place?
Bethesda is fucking retarded. They don't know how to make games anymore. FO4 was terrible after 15 hours.
>>333337143
But how can you make a mod that stops them from blocking mods!?!?!?
>>333337280
Just leave it to the pro's kid. We'll get it sorted out once a final version hits.
Hope it also affects enemies. Even on normal difficulty, some enemies can bit bullet spongey. I also had to carry 2-3 weapons with plenty of ammo to avoid running out. Practically being forced to carry only one weapon and ammo could end up being a pain if enemies are still just as tough. I would hope they have lower health and deal more damage instead.
>>333337280
I'm not an expert mod maker but I think it would work like ablative armor the mod explodes when the game checks for mods and destablizes the mod checking code then it injects a worm into the .ini file which self replicates an emulated game engine that runs within the engine allowing you to run mods by booting into EMUEngine which brute forces the main engine into seeing a 'mod-free' flag.
Does that make sense?
>>333337280
There's already at least two though it looks like they're a bit buggy and not every mod is compatible with it.
>>333337439
Ok now in English please einstein
>>333337439
The mod explodes and destablizes the mode checking code? Injects a WORM? Self replicating worm that emulates the actual Game Engine, but runs WITHIN the game engine but boots a third party after exploding for the purpose of forcing the violated main engine to see what was never there in the first place.
That sounds like a thrilling science fiction movie. Would watch.
>>333337224
This. The weapon mods are extremely boring, the legendary weapons/armor don't feel special, everything in the game felt lackluster, and every quest felt the same with an obvious chest at the end filled with loot.
>>333332802
>looking forward to a mode that takes out manual saves and teleportation on a Bethesda game
Enjoy losing 3 hours of game time when you get stuck in an elevator that doesn't open or the game CTD's on a load screen.
Taking out convenience features doesn't make a game hard, it makes it a pain in the ass to play. That's why I also hate not having a pause in the Souls games.
>>333332971
they don't let you go wherever you want. You get out at a set location
>>333333697
just don't fucking play survival then faggot
>>333338101
If Bethesda puts it into their game and stands behind it I'm entitled to be able to both play and enjoy it.
>>333338201
>I'm entitled
>>333335262
>not enough much clean water around
have you even played it? you can fill empty bottles and make purified water at pumps. i have a fuckton
>>333337884
There couldn't be a worse design decision than to remove manual saving from a buggy ass fucking game. If they do, it will be the first thing to go.
>>333338201
you aren't going to enjoy every fucking thing dumbass. it's impossible
>>333338641
In comparison to most Bethesda offerings, FO4 is almost bug free.
>>333338846
If you order a fried egg at a restaurant and you get scrambled eggs do you pay for it or do you send it back to the kitchen to get it replaced?
If I pay for something that I expect to enjoy than I also expect a refund or replacement if I'm not able to enjoy it.
It's a bit too hardcore for my tastes, and I've had RN&D in my Skyrim load order for years.
>Can only sleep up to 5 hours on anything but a full bed
>Go to sleep tired wake up even more tired
>Eating or drinking barely does anything, eating a can of pork and beans and a box of mac and cheese and a purified water isn't enough to satiate peckish and slightly thirsty
Also, the first Deathclaw keeps wrecking me and setting back a half hour of progress.
>>333339108
survival mode is not a game, it's an optional way to play the game. go ahead and ask for your refund for a game mode.
>>333339268
>lossing to the first deathclaw
>with power armor and a minigun
Git gud.
>>333339108
but you paid for fallout 4 and you're getting fallout 4 nerd.
>>333334819
You must be at least 18 to post here.
>>333339268
>Can only sleep up to 5 hours on anything but a full bed
>Go to sleep tired wake up even more tired
why are you going so long without sleep? if you slept more often you wouldn't even need that much
>Eating or drinking barely does anything, eating a can of pork and beans and a box of mac and cheese and a purified water isn't enough to satiate peckish and slightly thirsty
one purified water does satisfy peckish and cooking meat helps a lot
>Also, the first Deathclaw keeps wrecking me and setting back a half hour of progress.
just fucking stand in the houses and shoot or stab him
>ammunition has weight
>>333333525
>only way to save is to sleep
A Bethesda game without manual and quick saves is scary shit.
>>333340012
>he wants to carry ammo of guns he doesn't use just to sell
Nah nigga, you better leave that shit behind, dumb dankposter.
You have to rely on stealth and you guy cannot take a hit unless in PA so the stealth and lightweight mods are actually useful
>>333340150
I don't mind that, but if a mod appears to take out fall damage i'll probably take it out.
I've died a couple of times because a railing didn't stop me, or I fell through a solid floor.
>>333339950
>>333340012
>ammunition has weight
That i dont mind
>mini nukes are 12 pounds
That i do
>>333338982
you're delusional
why are you people even caring about beth's shitty hardcore mode? vastly better versions of hardcore will be modded over the regular game that will let you customize how hard you wanna make the game. anything beth does between now and the ck is just cash in trash except for one that actually adds new land and quests. all they had to do was what they did with f03, dlcs that add new places to go and new quests, instead we got one of those and 2 cash in piles of trash. if we're lucky the remaining unannounced dlc will be new land and quests but we all know it will be more cheap trash.
>>333333928
>4 is the best from a game perspective
>1 and 2 are bad
Fuck off faggot
>>333340293
fusion cores are 2 pounds as well
it's annoying sure, but it makes sense
>>333334578
>dying in Diablo 3
okay loser
>>333340512
That's a good inventory managment aspect though, you're gonna dedicate 10 or so pounds to keep your power armor going.
Taking a Fat Man somewhere would be hell, although you could wipe out mirelurk queens easier.
i was gonna do a no fast travel play through of Skyrim like 2 years ago when i discovered Frostfall and Wet n Cold.
the problem with a no fast travel Fallout 4 is the land doesn't feel as vast and there's like no ambient creatures or critters, there is nothing i can hunt for with a hunter mod.
Skyrim with Animallica mod, you never see the same critter or animal.
Beth really fucked up in the critter department. can't wait for the mod kit.
>>333331553
What's the "reward"?
>>333331553
I'm just hoping for the GECK to come out soon on PC and console. I just want quest mods.
>>333340912
achievement
read before posting
>>333333928
>4 is the best one from a game perspective
>1 and 2 are really bad, don't bother
I hope, for your sake, you're trolling.
>>333333928
>>333334819
>merely pretending
>>333334728
Trust me, even with any of this Fallout 4 is FAR from a good game. And it won't get cheap for another year or so if it even gets an Ultimate Edition.
>>333341263
>>333341443
>>333341516
are we seriously still on this shit. he got shit on enough
>>333341806
samefagging won't help
>>333341750
Fallout 4 IS a good game. It's just a shitty Fallout game. Less of an RPG than it should be
>>333334819
you're purposelessly attention seeking is what you are
>>333341842
suck muh dick
>>333331553
>survival difficulty normally .5x dealt, 2x recieved
>modded an .ini file to make it .25x dealt, 4x recieved
>made the game hard again even as a powerarmor shitter
>hardcore survival mode is a step down in difficulty for me
The 'no fast travel' is an odd thing. Take it for granted so much that when it's removed, suddenly the whole game changes.
>>333341890
Fallout 4 a barely functioning incoherent mess.
That really says something because Beth's games are always fucking scatter brained with half baked ideas and even less baked execution.
About the save on sleep only thing. Is there a suspend option?
If I decide to stop playing, do I need to keep playing until I get a bed which I can't fast travel to? Having to keep playing to stop playing seems shitty to me.
>>333335413
You write like a petulant idiot
>>333342035
>survival difficulty normally .5x dealt, 2x recieved
no it isn't. all damage is increased. everyone is a glass cannon
>>333342078
>barely functioning incoherent mess
huge exaggeration. it both functions and is coherent
>>333342419
Survival is the highest difficulty in the standard game.
Hardcore is the beta "urrbody takes more damage" mode.
>>333342117
bed rolls are going to be an option i think, but are going to be the shittiest option since beds have tiers or whatever.
>>333342194
>>333341926
>>333341740
>People still replying one hour later
That faggot is already gone, most likely.
>>333342594
It's fine if they give shitty sleep for the needs bar, as long as I can decide to stop playing and not have to find a bed first.
>>333342581
it isn't hardcore, it replaces survival mode and goes by the same name if you download it
Do you service in the fallout mod when you are not to fast down?
>>333342117
yea, depending on the tier of bed (quality) it will auto roll a save chance, sometimes resulting in the bed being destroyed/not saving.
>>333342527
It mostly works, mostly ok most of the time. What a high bar the game has set.
Its themes ping pong from serious issues like sex and child slavery to pop culture references within heart beats of one anther.
>>333342657
We know it's still you
I just hope someone comes up with a portable tent/sleeping bag mod so I can set up camp in between being raped by the environment and walking for hours on end.
>>333343087
well that's fallout nigger
first fallout game maybe?
>>333333697
>you should be able to fast travel from settlements
Naw bruh.
But you should be able to fast travel along caravan routes with caravans, for a fee. And maybe a chance of getting attacked.
Think STAWLKER, where you can find a friendly group of stalkers, ask them where they're going, and if it's somewhere useful to you, you can pay them to let you tag along.
>>333333928
>>333335487
No surprise there, the Fallout 4 dev team have been repeatedly trying to patch their game so mods don't work any more since release. Every new patch Nexus.com has to release a counterpatch to re-enable mods.
>>333339108
>its a food analogy
Fuck, just how many people on this board still think this is a viable analogy?
>>333341890
>Fallout 4 IS a good game. It's just a shitty Fallout game.
nigga its a somehow more worse version of far cry 3
>>333343509
>Food, Shit and Car analogies
All fucking worthless when it comes to video games.
>Install a mod in F3 that disables the console and prevents you from saving where ever you want
The moment I get out of vault 101 I hop over some rocks then slip in between them and get stuck.
Hardcore mode is asinine they should have just copied project nevada instead.
>>333343514
Base building has never been done right by any game, not even Rust. The connections between building parts are more important than the parts themselves, and should have more options.
Fallout 4 somehow manages to even get this more wrong than most, by having entire sections of your settlements spontaneously vanish while you walk over them, and the happiness and population spontaneously drop to zero without any raider attacks at random whenever you're on the other side of the map.
>>333333928
You're like my dad, telling me to take out a mortgage on 25k. Go eat a dick.
>>333344014
>The connections between building parts are more important than the parts themselves, and should have more options.
truer words have never been spoken.
>>333333525
Bethesda never did, only had the occasional dev team that immediately gets ditched on game release for "differences in artistic vision."
>>333344014
>>333344347
My least favorite part of the settlement building is when I tried to fix the Castle's walls
You know what I would need to be assured of before I play any RPG on a "realistic" mode? REALISTIC PASSAGE OF TIME. None of this "day passes every 20 minutes" bs. When I need a drink in the game I should also need another beer from the fridge IRL.
>>333333928
If I'm on survival will my robot carry eat for 5 on one 3?
>>333344621
That would only work with real time sleep too wouldn't it?
Is there some trick to fucking eating and drinking? It seems like half the time the scripts don't kick in and I'm just wasting inventory. I'll drink a bottle of water and seemingly nothing will happen, same with food. It only gives me a notification about eating about a quarter of the time.
And what kind of fucking bullshit is it that if you bottle dirty water and then purify it, the fucking bottle disappears?
>3 bottles of dirty water
>purify into 1 purified water
>drink purified water
>only 2 have two empty bottles somehow
>>333337280
Thinking of my Skyrim Installation, the executable is actually a wrapper application made by some random coders doing it for free and the entire directx graphics library has been updated by a crazy Russian man who also does it for free. I'm pretty sure Bethesda is fighting a losing war against modders when it comes to making the game unmodable.
It reminds me of the original version of Cities:Skylines where you were supposed to have achievements disabled when you turned on mods, but then a mod found a way to turn off the flag that got set when you turned on mods so you still got achievements.
>>333337884
This. My game still freezes on load screens at least once per session.
Anyone know if they're replacing the old survival mode with a new difficulty besides very hard? I've been doing this shit since level 1 and change frightens me.
>>333343509
There is literally nothing wrong with food analogies, and you're a child to believe and suggest otherwise.
That was a pretty bad analogy though.
>>333347529
Nope this new survival mode is replacing the old one
>>333332802
>Looking forward to this more than I did the game itself.
This.
>>333333928
I actually enjoy playing Fallout 4 and this is complete bullshit.
>>333333333
>>333333333
Loo
>>333333525
>Companions still don't die
Fuck off.
>>333339108
Mate, if you want to keep with the egg analogy.
The restaurant offers you scrambled or fried and you whine your ass because it offers both but not at the same time.
