>All the had to do was make RO with better graphics.
How could they fuck up so badly?
Look on the bright side. At least it wasn't RO2
>>333278376
did people actully pay for a beta?
>>333278269
Must have been using Nintendo as an example.
>Promise a new RO-like game
>Deliver a linear as fuck almost WoW clone with boring slow bosses and enemies
The only good thing was the OST.
Y'all dumb as fuck, RO was nothing special and neither is this. No mmo is special anymore, have you ever considered that you enjoyed these things when you were younger BECAUSE you were young and naive?
I am having fun with it, sorry guys.
>this game doesn't live up to the game I liked when I was a kid
replay RO again nigga, I dare you
>>333279148
I did too, for like a week in the korean beta. Then I realized that the game was shit.
>No RO Monk equivalent
I'll probably give it a go when it's free to play but all the classes look boring
>>333278728
I'm playing it, the latency/lag is god awful.
I'm stuck at level 35 because I already finished the quests in my area.
Now I have to grind to lvl40 because I'll get my shit slapped if I skip ahead.
>>333279354
there is but enjoy the slow painful grind on the way to it because you'll be useless the entire way there
>>333279354
there are a lot of interesting class choices, but they either require you to:
A/ level them up 3 times for maximum potential
B/ are at like circle 6 and you'll never get to try them
How would you fix the game?
>Remove tokens
>Cheaper cute clothes
>>333279435
my trick was to go to the other side of the map (Orsha) and do all of the quests there its basically the same shit just a different area
either way griding is kinda part of the whole RO thing
The game is fun. Sadly is also a technical disaster.
>>333278728
Yes, and there are lots of shills in /vg/ justifying their poor choices, despite the fact that the game itself is a laggy, buggy mess, and have to pay $18/month to be the least bit functional.
>>333280121
i agree, if the game was less laggy I wouldnt get so mad at it. THANKS FOR THE BUGS KOREA
>>333280105
fuck, now I feel stupid. Do I have tread through high level territory or is there a warp from somewhere?
>2016
>MMOs
Stop. You have only yourself to blame.
>>333279827
What class are you referring to? I looked at ToS's monk and it looked like a shitty generic DPS class. There's no class with RO monk's combo system.
>>333280210
The engine is stuck with 1 core only, in the current year.
>>333278269
I played a while ago, it was actually a lot of fun. What happened?
>>333280293
buy a warp scroll from the item vendor for like 300 silver
>>333280429
They have a lot of trade restrictions on f2p players, premium is too expensive, and the game is optimized like shit. Other than that I'm having a lot of fun, level 101 so far.
>>333280378
But why?
>>333280561
Thank you kind sir.
>>333280006
>remove tokens
>put emphasis on exploration instead of linear quests
>a city with lore and story and tons of sidequests for every class
>design the game around cooperation with friends or guilds, this is an MMO after all
>have something like WoE but with more modes and better rewards, that needs every class to work together
>don't allow global chats, you either have to be phisically next to a person or know their name to chat
>remove the auction stuff and only allow vending like in RO, but this time add an option to search for vendors (aka @whosells in RO private servers)
>make equip you find at the beginning viable for long time if you use it wisely (like slotted silk robes or relevent cards from early monsters)
You'd need to overhaul this game from the ground it's not even funny
>>333280654
No problem friend keep up on the leveling biz
>>333280006
>remove tokens
>Remove the stupid linear quests
>Add different leveling paths
>Each class starts in its own town
>no global
>No auction house
>Make merchant classes actually worth taking
Just play ro you shitty nostalgia fags
>>333282523
Problem with all non combat classes is that you're fucked in terms of leveling, and if you can't level why the fuck play, you're just idling in a certain spot anyway
>wanting another ro2
>>333282676
the class is so useful that a guild or party helps you levelling, obviously
this was never a problem in RO as they all had some usefulness
>There will never be a good MMO ever again
>>333283387
A-at least the music is g-good.
>>333283387
going by number of players and sales minecraft should be perfect :^)
I really dislike how they added a fucking cross server dungeon finder. Way to just obliterate the one thing where you would actually meet people and make friends.
Worse still you get an enormous bonus for using it, much larger than any manually formed party.
>>333283387
Maplestory 2 will be the savior of the MMOs, i swear anon.
>tfw the Y online fags were right
>>333284454
western release never.
>>333280006
It really should've been like Eden Eternal where the more ranks you put into a certain class the flashier versions of that outfit you unlock. A big problem with the game is how many job outfits are just brown and grey and totally boring.
>>333288638
>A big problem with the game is how many job outfits are just brown and grey and totally boring.
Seriously, they didn't even understand RO's art style beyond the faces.
>>333288638
>>333289175
no, they understood it perfectly, but this time you have to pay to get the recolors
theres no real grinding plebs just spam dungeons all day
its a joke game, dead in 3 months
>>333280006
>Remove tokens
how are they suppose to make money on a f2p mmo?
>>333279248
>downloaded a few months back
>forced myself to play for 30 minutes
>uninstalled
>>333290413
It was never the game itself that was good but the community and now that kind of community no longer exists due to the changing nature of today's main market.
>>333290614
The game was pretty good, i just played it not too long ago.
>>333287752
China release is this month.
And japan release is getting teased.
NA soon right?
>>333279046
>RO was nothing special
You take that back.
>people wanted another Ragnarok
>everyone in here complaining about grinding
>>333293694
I wish.
>>333293694
Right after the NA PSO2 release
>>333294060
Whoa it's almost as if a shit game can have grinding and a good game can have grinding.
>>333294060
Indeed, and that game was even worse off when they introduced advanec classes.
>you have to level back from Novice level one and grind your way through your first class again only with further experience goals
I think most people have nostalgia because of playing on higher rate private servers rather than iRO-rate servers.
I know I had lots more fun playing on private servers than iRO.
I'm enjoying ToS for what it is to me.
>Playing Ys music in the background while I slay the boss monsters
The story even has a similar format to Ys in which you're collecting books (revelations) and freeing Goddess and taking down the big bad.
You also have your statues in the world that act as your warp system just like in some Ys games.
>>333278269
Everyone who played icbt1 and 2 warned you. Even the few guys who got into kcbt warned you.
We all warned you.
>But i'm having fun with it!
You're level 40 still, you haven't begun to suffer.
>>333290614
>>333278269
Just play this instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkegq06jDGA
>>333295371
thats a chinese ro and its shit
>>333295479
still better than tos :^)
>>333295597
welp thats true lol
>>333294243
Well when the website was created in NA they said in summer, but they never said which summer.
>>333278269
This.
I fell for the meme. I thought that it's really an oldschool free-roam grindish rpg, but it's a linear as fuck story bullshit on rails. What? How did they fuck up like this? Did someone on the dev team seriously think that was a good idea?
>>333296691
>oldschool rpg
>free-roam
Pick 1. Reminds me more of Ys than anything else personally.
>>333296691
they don't care, they want the most money for as little effort as possible, and riding the nostalgia train helped a lot
never trust koreans
I'm enjoying it lot more than RO thats for sure. I know I am not in the majority of retards here but I quit RO when I had to grind plants for 12 hours to get half a level. Mindless grind to progress is not gameplay.
>>333296926
you probably treated the game like a single player game, but it's an MMO.
it's possible to reach rebirth max level in an hour or less
>>333278269
No porn.
>>333295371
Nice.
>>333297460
Well its a korean game.
Porn is haram death penalty or jail for them.
For example, all maplestory porn is japanese.
>>333297148
Man, your EXP rates must have been fucking nuts if thats the case.
>>333297713
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVApZGyrGjg
iRO standard rates, no private server bullshit
>>333297769
That's still not rebirth max level tho.
>>333297870
whatever, if you hit plants alone for 12 hours you're doing something wrong
unless they are geographers, that could work for some time
>>333297769
The RO I played was nothing like this. There was no tutorial areas like that where the game teached you to move, for example.
So good work powerleveling in a easier game, I guess.
>>333296926
>but I quit RO when I had to grind plants for 12 hours to get half a level. Mindless grind to progress is not gameplay.
You seem to think you won't be doing that in ToS
>>333298102
private servers are actually more like the old RO, only with 3-5 times increased EXP rates
The ones with higher rates are usually heavily modified
>>333298107
>>333298107
Well I havent been doing that in ToS. I do quests that move me from location to location. I dont have to grind at all beyond the "grind" that you have to do for quests.
>>333298394
Not sure where you are going with that. But I also played that RO almost ten years ago, so maybe your private server wasnt even a thing then with its "hour for max level" shit.
>>333298586
When the quests stop you have to grind
>>333298586
You are going to run out of quests and before you even reach 100.
>>333298731
>>333298785
Atleast the whole game isnt grind then and I can quit it when that dumb shit starts. You guys seem really adamant about proving someone who likes something to be wrong.
>>333297769
>Renewal
That's like comparing Vanilla WoW to current WoW
>>333299018
RO had lots of quests too
http://irowiki.org/wiki/Quest_Table
>>333299018
>Atleast the whole game isnt grind then
Nigga the game is planned around 600 levels and like a dozen class ranks. You're C2 or C3 and still in the babby zone.
You don't level up to 20 in Maplestory and think you've played the whole game
>>333299270
Then I think you can explain why no one on the server did those quests and just grinded away.
>>333299339
I'm going to play it until I stop enjoying it. You really got buttmad when I didnt blindly hate the game.
>>333299503
People didn't explore or talk much, when you joined a reasonably good guild people would share such information but held off on some quests for after rebirth
As for ToS I haven't played it yet because it's not f2p yet, but I'll judge it then. What class are you liking the most/playing now?
>>333299503
Your mistake is thinking I'm mad. I'm just telling you what to expect
and I'm not him but RO quests didn't generally reward you with exp. Or anything. They were actual quests for lore sake, though some would open up shops or some other things. Who do you think everybody buys grape juice from? People who weren't too lazy to do the questline that makes them able to craft it
>>333299762
Honestly, I cant argue that much. My friends got me into one of the biggest guilds in the server and no one talked anything either way. Would things have been different if everyone didnt tell me to just grind plants and the guild talked? Most likely, but too late for that now.
In ToS I am currently playing wizard on my way to be a necromancer through pyromancer and linker classes. I went wizard on purpose since I was told its the "magikarp" class thats absolutely dreadful to play but becomes a walking nuke later down the line. And like I said, its extremely enjoyable, mainly due to the fact that pyromancers dont really throw their spells around, they drop them to the ground and lure mobs into the hazards.
>>333299802
Not sure I would have enjoyed playing the quests in RO if thats the case. I do enjoy lore in games like these but I most likely would have left them until I was at max level. Learning the story AND leveling at the same time is my preferred combo.
>>333300847
can I still go priest and heal undeads in ToS? If not I'll probably try out some archer related class
>>333301458
I actually dont know at all, since I havent seen people talk about that. I would imagine it could work, since if you manage to step on enemy healing tiles you get hurt and the game has all sorts of crazy combos going on in general, but I cant say if you can just outright heal certain enemies to kill them.
>>333300847
>but I most likely would have left them until I was at max level
RO was not a themepark. Getting to cap is the experience, not doing shit at cap.
Wasnt there a miko class?
All the interest i have in the game is that class.
>>333278728
Immediately got a refund.
>>333278832
How is it linear past like level 30?
>>333301853
Well, then we just disagree there. I dont think grinding is fun way to gain levels, especially if I have to deattach myself from progressing to do quests that give minimal rewards to do anything else but to grind.
>Release a class that focuses on poisons
>Doesn't get good until Circle 3 and is gimped in PvP
>>333301753
I see, the skill description says it damages enemies and only the paladin has a turn undead skill.
Also cleric has "divine might" which "temporarily increases the skill levels of you and your party members by 1"
At level 10 it applies 10 times, sounds pretty OP to me but I guess they have some sort of catch to it that isn't included in the discription
>>333302651
"Applies 10 times" means it applies to 10 people.
>>333303678
I think I understand now, it means it creates 10 panels like with the healing spells?
Well guess I'll go archer then
I really dont get what /v/ dislikes about this game
>its linear
not really, there is a main quest but plenty of side stuff to do
>its grindy
again, not really
>X class isnt good until Rank 5 Circle 2 blah blah
dont look at where you are going, focus on current build. Anybody playing it now has the TP for a skill reset anyway
and there is lots of collection completionist autism to keep people busy
>>333303787
No. It's just a buff but it can spread to 10 people if it says applies 10 times. But parties are limited to 5 so...
So, is it good?
>>333305747
no, it's ass
>>333305747
It's a decent single player game.
Too bad that they're selling it as an MMO.
remember this
never got to play it. disappeared before I had a chance
was it good?
>>333307731
I remember playing it.
Felt like a watered down RO with longer cooldowns on skills.
>>333307731
I played it, it was literally a dumbed down version of Ragnarok, it even used the same engine as RO.
It was shit
>>333307731
It was shit, in the good way.
Had some fun with it.
>>333290614
This is right, however ToS itself is objectively more cancerous, with less mmo-like elements
>too many instances
>too many corridors
>unique monsters spawning for you only
>cash shop with heavy pay2win
>auto-party tools
Any one of those would have ruined RO on launch, imagine all of those combined.
>>333308606
>too many instances
Only the boss-fight quests are instances in the open world.
>too many corridors
Someone hasn't gone past the first mine, which still has options for exploring and finding sidequests
>unique monsters spawning for you only
You and your party members, because it would take forever otherwise to finish quests, see those quests where the mob to use a bomb on spawns once every 10 minutes in the church dungeon where only one person can get credit for completing it.
>cash shop with heavy pay2win
As far as I know, the only real problem with cash shop is you're forced to use money to reset stats and skills as well as trade.
Haven't come across any P2W items in the TP shop other than potions that let you grind to max level easier.
>auto-party tools
Don't know what you mean by this. You can ignore and turn off searching for local parties.
>>333309928
I'm concerned about how the f2p stuff will be, I read it only allows 2 dungeons/instances a day or some bullcrap like that?
