What country are you going to play as first?
>no admirals
>not even Yamamoto
i guess the navy is to remain fucked from III to IV
>>333252678
France. I'll be joining the Comintern
Australia
das dritte reich obviously
This game is gona be so fucking casualized.
I'm mad, i'm fucking mad.
I don't even dare immagine what they're gona do to the next Victoria game.
>Armies won't need different supplies
>Spend 50 Trade points to buy 20 stocks of Infantry Equipment
>Spend 100 culture points to convert the culture of this province
>>333255826
There's no mana system in HoI4 right?
>>333255826
But anon, imagine possible support for tablets andI hope your Jimmy jammy was rustled
>>333255935
Yes there is anon...i'm sorry.
>>333256063
But why? For what?
>>333255826
HoI III was fuckt to hell though man no matter how much OOB rearrangement scratched the autism
>>333256106
>Implying reds survived war by not using red health potions stacked in some siberia warehouse
The based Chile under a totalitarian regime financed by the US of course, then Ireland.
Axis-alignedSouth Africa.
Pretty much the country I always play first and fall back to when I'm doing fannying around with other ones.
>>333256106
Paradox decided they wanted to fuck their neice audience and try to get the TW fans.
>>333256205
Indeed, HoI3 was a UI hellhole, DH was alot more fun.
>>333252678
Winland
What's the key to winning HOI3 as Germany?
>>333256428
B L I T Z K R I E G
L
I
T
Z
>>333256247
How do you net get fucked as SA when joining axis?
Germany AI always looses, and GB has WAY more troops in africa than you do.
>>333256428
Get airforces and spam interception to cover your entire country so that no strategic bomber will get through.
Because sooner or later a player is going to try and drop atomic bomb on you.
>>333252678
I want to make Germany great again.
>>333256513I slightly cheat a bit and boost my resources and cash, but not to ridiculous levels.
I also build up my manpower and forces before joining the axis, and crusade through africa as quickly as possible, and hope Italy & Vichy france don't get streamrolled too quickly.
>>333256651
Honestly nothing wrong with cheating in paradox games in singleplayer.
There is no need for moral standards, you just want to have fun.
I cheat in CK2 too, tend not to in V2 since it's not worth it.
>>333252678
Are they censoring Nazi Germany's flag again? That cover art is already making it seem like they will.
swärje
>>333256285
Is this why M&B split from paradox?
I didn't even know HoI 4 was coming out
>>333256791
my man
>>333256810
I'm sure Talesworld separated (If they did, i don't know) for good reasons, maybe they had a timed contract and they decided not to renew it.
And in honeslty keep forgetting Hoi4 is a thing, probabaly gona play it twice with my group and never play again.
>>333256780
yes, just mod it back in
>>333256972
>Mods will fix it
Thats NOT FUCKING POINT!
>>333256780
They kinda have to since the depiction of nazi symbols is forbidden in germany.
>>333256972
there'll be mods for it probably even before the game is out though, so it's only a slight nuisance
>>333256954
I think it was tailworlds wanting complete control on bannerlord and paradox let them separate.
I have high hopes for bannerlord. Maybe too high.
I want to get into HoI but I have no idea what the fuck I am doing
I hear you can industrialize and choose your government and shit. I tried to play Japan but I didn't know what was going on. Halp.
>>333257205
Don't despair butterbrother, by the gameplay videos we're getting, it's gona be another 500 hours of fun.
>>333257247
Play other gs games first.
>>333252678
general zhukov
>>333257141
and EUIV can't be sold in China because it features Tibet, but they stood their ground at that.
>>333257258
>500
weak
>>333256780
they even censored hitler's face ingame. Probably only for the german version, not sure.
>>333257512
Can you imagine? Commanding such fear even from the grave?
What a man.
>>333257512
>>333257660
Muhammad is also the only character in CK2 that has no portrait
>>333257512
They did? I was watching Paradox's World War Wednesday videos and even AngryJoe's preview and Hitler's clearly visible.
There's even a big portrait of him when you look at your country overview or whatever
>It's another 'we'll pretend that the flag for Nazi-Germany was the Iron Cross' episode.
>>333257697
Mohammed is in CK2?
I haven't ever been able to get into it, played for about 2 hours and just dropped it.
>>333257850
as a historical background character
check the lineage of the various muslim rulers with the special traits referencing muhammad and eventually you'll find him (he's a brilliant theologian with a massive learning score and good military stats)
there's plenty of historical character hidden away like that, the previous rulers section for the Byzantine empire goes all the way back to Augustus for instance and the papacy has every single pope in the church's history statted
>>333257773
see
>>333257690
I guess it's only for the german versions.
>>333257850
He is in the history of the Abbasid title. Doesn't have a portrait of course because they don't want people exploding into treats.
>>333257850
You have to trace one of his descendant's family trees
>>333257994
That's pretty impressive actually.
I can see the draw of the game, maybe it's just not for me.
I don't understand how paradox can make so many bad decisions one after the other, I'm going to assume that the game being released, other than being a casualized husk of what it should have been, is also incomplete and will recieve numerous dlc packs to flesh out nations and provide basic mechanics like naval and air combat or leader pictures.
It feels both sad and sort of alright that there will never be a game to surpass darkest hour, thankfully the modding community is still alive.
>>333252678
Some underdog. Finland, Romania, or perhaps even France.
>>333258043
the draw is mostly the grand strategy/rpg hybrid of managing your own family
being able to look back and have Muhammad himself in your family history as a muslim ruler is actually pretty neat
course only THE most important characters are kept from way back so you won't be able to trace your lineage if you're a smalltime count or something
>>333258005
>>333257512
But that's not a screenshot of the German version. So that doesn't really make sense.
I've heard this "Hitler's face got censored" thing before, but in that thread it was made fun of as being uninformed.
>>333256780
Nazi symbols are forbidden in Germany, so they have to for that version. And since podcat is a little bitch, he decided to take it out altogether. I quote "I don't want to play Nazis".
>>333253497
This.
The entire world is rightful Australian clay
>>333258258
>make a game specifically about ww2 and nazi germany
>I don't want to play nazis
I hope he gets stabbed by a somali
>>333257690
>tfw they censor the one person who did nothing wrong
>>333253497
>>333258282
I played an interesting game in Vicky 2 where a long series of wars in India left Australia with like 65% of its population being Indian/Bengali
>>333258560
That seems about right IRL as well.
>>333258560
Gotta say, Sydney being 70% Asian sounds about right
>>333258486
i know this feel
>>333258486
>start a war he couldn't possibly win
>permanently lose the prussian lands which had been under german control for 1000 years
>get his nation split up with a third of his people suffering under communist dominion
he did everything wrong
What are some fun countries to play in Vicky 2 HPM? I just finished a Persia run, and it was pretty ok.
>>333258665
Easy to be wise in hindsight
If he didn't start the war, or didn't launch operation Barbarossa, there would have been war anyway. The powerbalance in europe was skewed after ww1 and the dissolution of the Austrian Empire, lots of revanchism, communist russia wanted to exert influence and was consciously building up for war since the early thirties and even before.
Because of Hitler there hasn't been war in europe for 70 years, you should thank him.
>>333259457
Austria is always fun to play
>>333259571
if Russia had started the war they would have lost as hard as Germany did, but with the additional benefit of communism being disbanded before it could spread through eastern europe
>>333258486
>>333258662
Edgy fucks. Being responsible for genocide is something I would consider "wrong" as would any sane person.
>>333259884
Some genocide that was.
>>333260131
that fact that it wasn't successful doesn't make him less evil
it makes him incompetent in addition to being evil
>>333260218
It also makes him a poor candidate for the manifestation of evil when there were/are much better alternatives.
>>333260312
His only crime was to lose the war.
Soon.
>>333260380
And suicide, pussy.
>Grand strategy games are sullied with Prussian fetishists and nazi apologists
>>333260530
Don't forget the commieboos.
>>333260530
But that's wrong,most of the /gsg/ audience is underage communists,check the PD forums if you don't believe me.
>>333260530
>tfw prussian
>not allowed to play my own country without getting called a fetishist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-m9A8mY-U0
>>333260530
Lighten up.
>>333260530
I don't get nazi apologists, if you're going to side with a genocidal military might why not side with a successful one like say the mongols
nazi's are losers in every sense of the word
>>333260490
Why do Swedes love the muslim cock so much?
>>333260650
How come you don't just call yourself German?
>>333260720
>like say the mongols
Fins do that all the time
>>333260760
>>333260753
Because that would mean that i put myself on the same level as those cucks in the west.
I'm going to play HoI3 instead of this casualized bullshit
>>333260720
That is some grade A retarded logic famalam
>you like thing?
>you should like other thing instead because my autism demands it
>>333259884
Hitler was not evil or bad
there are no good or bad people
The winners were also moraly rotten in the core
Nobody talks about how german soldiers were left to hunger and die in their own feces after the war in death camps. Only the jews count.
>>333260650
Nothing wrong with playing Prussia or anything, but when you fetishize or apologize certain aspects a country/culture then you're being irrational.
>>333260824
Be happy, you east german poorfags live off the wealth of Baden-Württemberg and Bavaria-
If it wasn't for those "cucks" you would be as rich as lithuania.
>>333260835
its like if someone is actually eating shit and seemingly enjoying it
you have to say something because that fucker is actually eating shit, there's tons of better tasting foods out there
>>333260835
If you like the nazis then you're being really damn edgy. I mean, nazi uniforms look good and all, but doesn't make the party good guys. It's like, killing six million jews plus regular people, enemies of the state, soviet POWs kinda makes you a fucking bad guy.
>>333260824
You're weird as fuck anon
>>333260760
bls no bully :DDDDD
spurdo are snow-elfs :-DDDD u fuggen rasisd xDDDD
>>333260836
I love this argument, because its as if German soldiers like any died it excuses genocide.
>>333260874
Most people who like playing the Nazis just like to roleplay through self-insertion. It's good, honest fun, and should not be verboten.
>>333260914
>>333260924
>stop liking what i dont like
>food analogies
Come on guys, are you even trying?
>>333260924
>people have different views as to how society should function
nat.socialism/fascism =/= purge of jews or slavs or whatever
People always die in droves when there's war. Nazism is about the role of government in the lives of regular people and about the community and solidarity it provides, as well as strength on a global scale because of unified goals.
I'm not a nazi, I just don't like retards who think killing jews = nazism, which is a fucking absurd claim
>>333260824
>East Germany
>Good
Hol up famalam, just gonna call up my Stasi mates to laugh at you
>>333260982
No, it doesnt. Where did I say this?
But he is not more evil or wrong than the other parties. In this war there were no winners, and Hitler or Germany should never be blamed alone for this war.
>>333261146
The Nazis were a political party who supported and instigated the killing of Jews, not an ideology. Saying Nazism= killing Jews is totally fair.
>>333261146
you can't nitpick the good things of a government and brush under the rug the bad things you apologist cuck
>>333261352
Nor can you brush away the good.
>>333261103
Yep, I don't mind roleplaying. I think people should roleplay whatever they want.
>>333261115
>but they killed six million jews and five million non-jews
>c-come on are you e-even trying?
>>333261146
There's more to nazism than killing jews, obviously, but when the party went out of their way to genocide jews and undesirables I feel it's pretty fair to associate the two, don't you think?
>>333261254
People die in wars. The reason jews get the most attention is because they were the main undesirable. Do you have any idea how many countries sent jews to Germany to help them out in killing them off? I'm not saying it's good vs evil, but the actions of the nazi party is something I can only describe as evil.
>>333260909
>>333261193
Yeah. I know.
Enjoy your muslim enrichment. Most of NRW already looks worse than the worst parts of East Germany thanks to your Welcome Culture.
>>333261485
>>but they killed six million jews and five million non-jews
And?
>>333261529
E D G Y
D
G
Y
>>333260824
Why wouldn't you just play HoI3? Fuck off Johan
>hurr durr ordering units was too hardcore for our new fanbase so now you just draw arrows to spend your mana
>>333261715
Did you see the Paradox presentation thing like a few weeks ago?
Johan was so confused and unprepared. It was so awkward.
>>333261452
which I haven't done you dumbass
>>333261715
Mana? What do you mean?
>>333261452
>kill six million people
>constantly push out state propeganda
>encourage and actively breed people to be aryan
love me some nazi government slurp slurp skeet skeet
>>333261485
it is only more evil because it is more personal
anonymously bombing civilians is sure less evil.
The only difference is really that Germany lost.
If they would have won it would be the other way around and the allies would have been trialed for their numerous warcrimes and seen as evil.
>>333261817
Your leader generates points over time which you use for diplomatic and military actions and tech
>>333261945
And yet here we are, and I think systematically killing 11 million people is wrong. But no, if I have to judge it from a "morally objective standpoint", I'd say killing so many people is retarded as you're killing a large part of your economy and wealthy ones at that, with jobs and whatnot that contributed to society.
I'm not excusing bombing of civilians, of which both Germans and Allies did. But at least it's not systematic genocide.
I really love how you say that if Germany would've won I'd have looked at it differently, because that's completely irrelevant. Do you think you can make my opinion less valid because of the subjectivity of morality? Do you then, think killing 11 million people is alright?
>>333261945
>make literal death camps for humans
>somehow the people protecting themselves from your aggression are just as bad as you
naziboo's, world's most delusional people
>>333257690
>can show stalin
>hirohito
>but no fucking hitler
what the hell
what year is this
how did we regress so much
>>333257690
Why censor Hitler? Isn't it pretty obivous who the leader of Nazi Germany is?
>>333261945
First off, yes, taking people to camps and systematically killing them is more morally wrong than firebombing cities. If you don't understand why, then this conversation is pointless.
Second, the Nazis started the war. That counts for a hell of a lot. History is written by the victors, sure, but I think any morally conscious person can tell which side was more in the right.
>>333262370
Are you retarded? That's Germany-only.
>>333262396
Actually, the Poles attacked a German radio station
>>333262396
I've seen German apologists blame WW1's deaths on Belgium for putting up to much resistance against Germany
these people don't operate under logic
>>333262384
THINK OF THE CHILDREN
>>333262384
In case you somehow made it through life without knowing this, Germany has absolutely retarded anti-nazi laws.
>>333262489
but i'm not fapping right now.
>>333262494
and for good reason
nazi's and fascists should be killed on sight
>>333262489
Any child playing Grand Strategies has much bigger issues to tackle than knowing that Hitler existed.
>>333262448
>germany only
oh good. I mean the text of the image is in english, so I thought the worst.
>>333262196
no do you even read? I said from the beginning that there is no wrong or right
that it was a disaster for humanity as whole
you morons just keep on insisting that the germans were the bad guys
>>333262301
>>333262396
deathcamps also happened to the germans by the allies like I said, but that obviously doesnt matter since lol we won.
>>333262494
But isn't politics are section of this game? What happens if you want to shuffle the cabinet of Germany? Is the head of state going to called Der Evilmann?
>>333262567
Yeah definitely
It works best if you call anyone disagreeing with your policies a nazi until they stop giving a fuck and just vote AfD
>>333262570
besides I still don't get why Germany is so anal pained about keeping everything kid friendly, the other European countries are incredibly tolerant of more mature themes being presented to children
>>333262567
>This group of people should be shot on sight
Sounds sorta Nazi to me anon
>>333262630
yes the allies totally had time to set up death camps in the 6 months they were advancing through germany and they totally were comparable to what the nazi's and japs did
>>333262630
God you're stupid. No shit morality is something in the eyes of the beholder, that's why Hitler thought what he did was right and the opposers thought it was wrong. You're not enlightening anyone.
Also Germans being the bad guys? Well, let's see
>starts a world war as the aggressor
>create death camps and make a conscious effort to exterminate jews and undesirables, killing 11 million people in the death camps
>send away millions of young men to die in a pointless ideological war
>create and route railroads to the camps to make them more effectively kill people
No shit the allies did some bad shit. But it pales in comparison. The "starting a world war" part is especially serious, considering how many fucking people died across the world because of this.
>>333262859
>Germans
>Starting the World War
Wrong. England and France kicked it off
>>333262859
>>starts a world war as the aggressor
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
ok I leave this thread now.
>>333262630
The Western Allies never had deathcamps, and if soldiers died in the POW camps, it can be ascribed to negligence and even malign indifference, but it can't be ascribed to a systematic attempt to do so. Never mind that these soldiers had a clear and pressing reason for internment whilst the same could not be said for Europe's Jewish civilians. A more fair comparison is to America's Japanese interment camps, which were inexcusable in retrospect, but surprise surprise, weren't death camps.
Of course, the only tool that Nazi apologists ever have at there disposal is false equivalence, so there's no surprise here.
>>333262981
Too bad it's only in this kind of place you can defend your stupid opinion.
>>333262967
yeh England invaded China in the 30's and France went to town in Poland in '39
>>333262967
>>333262981
>Germany is aggressive attacking Poland
>Great Britain's prime minister try to appease Germany with giving them land
>Germany doesn't really give much of a shit, as becomes apparent soon after
>France and Great Britain declare war upon Germany to uphold peace
Nope, Germany was not the aggressor and the cause of the world war, and it was completely random that France and GB attacked Germany.
also
>England
>>333263117
>Germany AND Russia divides Poland together
>British empire and France declare war on Germany and their allies in retaliation and kick starts the world war
>Meanwhile Russia gets off scot-free
>>333263131
its the same ol' argument of "GB IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WWI" because they had the audacity to actually uphold a defensive alliance
>>333263087
no you are an utter moron and human waste
like in the whole thread you keep on insisting that germas were the bad ones while you keep on ignoring all the global aspects of the war
>>333262967
Yes, Poland didn't stand a chance against France and England in '38, and everyone was taken off-guard when France invaded France in 1940.
>>333263258
The global aspects like Japan, Germany's ally, being literally Satan in SE Asia?
>>333263258
You're such a fucking retard you keep ignoring all arguments put against you. It's almost as if you can't defend your disgusting view on the world. By the way, do you think you're surprising anyone by saying the world is morally grey? Noone's surprised, but you think you're blowing people's minds. But people have their own morals regardless of knowing this, dipshit.
God you're pathetic.
>>333263131
>>333263263
>Germany invaded Poland by themselves
>What is the molotov-ribbentrop pact?
Jesus christ, I knew Americans were dumb but fuck
>>333263407
Russia only joined in towards the end when the polish army was already too disorganized to offer much resistance
>>333263407
Where did I imply that Germany invaded Poland on its own? Hell, don't get me started on Stalin and the Soviets. They're just as bad if not worse than the Nazis, but don't go 'muh Allies were just as bad as muh Axis' and then backpedal to 'well, Stalin was just as bad as the Axis.'
>>333263407
I'm not American
>Molotov-ribbentrop pact
>non-aggression pact between Soviet Union and Germany
>and how to divide the lands in Eastern Europe between the two
And what the fuck is your point? What does this "prove"?
>>333263404
why do you keep on strawmaning
you or who knows who started with the black and white arugment
why are you backtracking me on this now?
Where are you reading this from? that I think that I am blowing anybodys mind. what kind of extra thoughts are you puting into my argument, can you even read?
I am sorry, but I don't see where you are geting all this?
>>333263582
I'm a different person to that retard, I agree with all your points about Nazi Germany being awful. I was just stating that Germany didn't attack Poland alone
>>333263646
>>333263582
sure Stalin was bad, but here's the kicker he has one redeeming feature
he was fighting a defensive war
and in war there is a general truth, if you start a war against someone they have the right to defend themselves in whatever manner they can
>>333263759
>noone's talking about Stalin
>let's bring up Stalin and the S.Union
>>333263759
>stalin
>defensive war
?!!!
man you can see what kind of retards are in this thread
>>333263853
>respond to post mentioning Stalin by name
>can't respond by mentioning Stalin by name
...adult illiteracy is nothing to be ashamed of if you are willing to fix it.
>>333264123
Are you actually retarded
>>333264117
Are you stupid?
>What is Operation Barbarossa
The worlds largest invasion in terms of warfare history. It was a defensive war that Stalin was losing at first but then pushed the Germans all the way back to Berlin.
>>333264312
jup but how is this redeeming the sovjets? they were one of the aggressors of WW2 igniting a global war
and not defenders
Is the game still looking like a huge streamlined mess with very few reasons to bother playing it over HoI3?
>>333264496
>get invaded
>defend yourself
>ITS YOUR FAULT FOR IGNITING WAR
naziboo's everyone
>>333264496
They helped ignite WW2 by dividing up Poland with Germany, but Germany broke their fragile non-aggression pact when Hitler decided he wanted Russian Oil. Thus Stalin had a defensive war agaisnt Germany.
>>333264672
division of Poland was ultimately irrelevant
if not for that Germany would have occupied all of Poland and still found itself in conflict with France, GB and Russia
>>333264742
I know, I was just explaining how Stalin got into a defensive war.
>>333264672
>>333264632
So a treaty to share all these small countries which don't belong to them does not show the aggression of both countries?
alone this pact shows that they both clearly are the aggressors.
Yes in the war against Germany they were the defenders,but the sovjet union is one of the aggressors of WW2 and therefore responsible for it and does not have any kind of moral highground like
>>333263759 suggested
>>333262454
>what is fabricating?
>what is special forces ordered to provoke a war?
>>333264628
Yes, but my mates are going to be buying it (they haven't played HoI3 nor want to due to the steep learning curve) so I'll be buying it too to play with them. Just hoping it's not going to be as casual as it's seeming to be
