>t-too many numbers
>all I do is sit and wait for things to happen
>this is boring give me my fps back plz
Fuck you. Idiot. Ascend to the master race of video games.
looks really fucking gay OP
I'm sorry.
>>333247236
>not liking grand strategy
YOU'RE gay
>>333247036
I always roll terribly in Risk, are grand strategy games similar?
Meh, none of the things you listed are why I don't like them. I just find the systems annoying as fuck to learn. Tried out Shogun 2 a while back because I was told it was one of the easiest to learn. I spawn into a map (after having to create an avatar with a bunch of choices the game doesn't explain the meaning of) and I make about 10 attempts to click on various parts of my city and city screen to get any info, then give up and march a soldier to a neighboring territory. I see a small village that tells me it will provide some resources if I attack it, so I click on it and my soldier spawns a chair out of his ass and sits down. Ended my turn thinking maybe the attack happens the following turn but 2 turns later he's still on his siesta. I've been meaning to watch some tutorial on youtube or something because I feel like I'd enjoy it once I understand how to actually play.
CK2 is pretty shit now, bro
Conclave ruined it
The fuck is Ohio doing
>>333247429
>Meh
Stopped reading
Ok
>>333247429
Is this trolling or are there people actually this stupid on this board
>>333247036
>having to feel smart all the time, even in your hobbies
Haaa. I used to be like you. Must be hell.
>>333247429
>Total War
>grand strategy
uhhhhhh
>>333247451
By ruin, do you mean expand the mid/late game to actually be interesting? Playing as a vassal is fucking crazy now. You can have so much pull over your liege.
>>333247369
Not at all
Especially not crusader kings
That's focused on characters and plots and intrigue and shit
>l-look guyz, I'm looking at a map
>t-this is a really good g-game
>t-trust me
You're a fucking retard for playing those games, there is literally nothing entertaining in them
>>333247598
Yeah if by interesting you mean a bunch of stupid pointless mechanics ripped from EU4 to sell more DLC
Would rather just play RTS games, Grand Strategy is pretty boring
pls preorder stellaris
>>333247673
Ahh, to be a casual again.
they're not hard
the only challenge is learning what the buttons do and what options they give you
there is very little 'tactical brilliance' in these games
>get big army
>kill people
fucking dwarf fortress is harder than civ games
>>333247802
Ahh, to be a tryhard again.
Face it, kid. You only like those games so you can feel special, kill yourself.
I've already transcended grand strategies
>>333247429
>shogun
>grand strategy
CK2 isn't really grand strategy though.
>>333247804
>he's never played Vicky 2
dem pops anon
>>333247429
is this supposed to be some kind of meta ironic joke?
>there are people judgmental about which genre you enojy of the most pathetic of all hobbies
lol
After I figured out how the shit worked and modded anime girls into it CK2 captivated me longer then most games. I'd say I'm pretty bored of it at this point though but I have like 460 hours in it
>>333247036
CKII is the poster child for DLC feature creep ruining a game. TOG was the last good expansion, everything since has made the game more of a clusterfuck. Conclave in particularly completely fucked the whole experience.
I try, but I just much rather play or study chess.
Still learning shit about this game every time I play it.
>>333247804
>playing the easiest most casual way
>implying the game is purely around waging war
>waah its the games fault i don't know how to exploit the political systems or family trees
>>333247673
>I haven't played this but I'm shittalking it
>>333247036
>tfw ck2 crashes every time i start it up
>Paradox games
>Complex
They're board game tier.
It's hilarious people try to act like they're special for playing them when there are far more complex/indepth games available.
>>333247869
>You only like those games so you can feel special
Heh, you almost had me, kiddo.
I have 3 phd's. strat games are boring unless its a tactics grid game
I mostly play street fighter and blazblue
>>333247036
Do I have to buy all the expansion to enjoy CK2? wich one are required?
>>333248053
this animu portrait make me enjoy the game more than the 3d portrait shit
>>333248308
just pirate them you fuck
>>333248290
You have different taste.
>if you don't play games you're smart
FTFY
>>333248308
Old Gods, Charlemagne, and Way of Life. Start with those.
>>333248290
2* phd's.
Phone keyboard etc
>>333247862
Thats not eu3
i'll stick to shooters and racing games, thanks
>>333247862
This. Although it's a great game, get off your high horse OP. CK2 is fucking babbies first gsg.
>tfw playing hoi2 as your first gsg
>tfw no fucking idea what you're doing
>tfw after months of defending the russian motherland you start to push back the fascists
feels pretty good man
A typical multiplayer lobby on a weeknight.
>>333247036
Grand Strategy games are fun until you figure out how they work and you start blobing. After that there's no point in even playing because you know you're going to win.
Is EU4 even grand strategy anymore? Everything is so fucking automated.
War in the East/West is an actual Grand Strategy game, why don't we talk about those?
>>333248342
wew. I think you're actually right.
>>333248493
>blobbing
>only thing to do
>>333247545
>>333247598
>>333247889
>>333247958
It's always interesting to see what minor things trigger /v/'s autism. I've never played a game in this genre before, saw a thread a few weeks back, asked what a good starter was, someone suggested a few things, I picked shogun because samurais seemed like an interesting setting. My peon brain couldn't understand the mechanics on my first try. Like I said, I've been meaning to read up on how to play. I do find it ironic that you're all being so hostile towards a newcomer in a thread literally about telling people they should play this genre.
>>333248664
stop baiting you faggot
>>333248664
Total War doesn't fit under the blanket term of grand strategy.
But Dominions is more autistic than any of your grand strategy games, what now, huh?
>>333247036
>mfw seducing my vassals
I learned to play Paradox games, they're either railroaded as fuck or mindboggling FUCKING BORING map painting.
CK2 After the End is a mod that puts the player in a post-apocalyptic United States. Unique cultures and religions that have evolved over hundreds of years.
breddy gud
>>333248493
War in the East/West is a wargame. I wish they weren't so fucking expensive, and I wish/wgg/ didn't die.
>>333248781
>Issues of grand strategy typically include the choice of primary versus secondary theaters in war, distribution of resources among the various services, the general types of armaments manufacturing to favor, and which international alliances best suit national goals. Grand strategy has considerable overlap with foreign policy, but grand strategy focuses primarily on the military implications of policy. The political leadership of a country typically directs grand strategy with input from the most senior military officials. The development of a nation's grand strategy may extend across many years or even multiple generations.
Sounds like Total War to me, abet Total War is a very stripped down kind of GS.
>>333248858
do you ever find yourself fapping to all the sexual escapades you can accomplish?
>>333248641
What should I do though?
I have a current game right now where I started as a Count under the Umayyads and eventually overthrew them, conquered my neighbors, and now have all of de jure Hispania.
Now what?
>playing goy simulators
remember to pre-order all of the DLC dumb goyim, I mean valued customers
>>333249059
Put your dynasty into power all over the world. They don't have to serve you directly.
>>333248998
That's the main point m8, the added opinion and taxes is a side benefit
>>333248967
Gary Grigsby games are military grand strategy.
EU4 for example isn't really grand strategy by definition, it is more like "Westphalian Treaty Diplomacy Simulator 2013: Never Ending DLC Edition".
>>333248664
Dude, the game comes with a tutorial, just play it.
>Ascend to the master race of video games.
>Posts a picture of CK2
I am literally LMAOing at your life
>>333249168
Ignore this faggot, the tutorial is absolute shit for actually playing the game.
Just westernized as 400 development Inca by 1530. Ask me anything.
>>333248490
95% of all CK II games are private though
>>333247890
Ironically enough Vicky 2 is easier than CK2 once you realize what to do (get resources in Africa while unfucking bureocracy and then literacy > become GP, by cheesing prestige if necessary > industralize). Every fucking game ends up with being similar, at this point I'm convinced that the only genuinely good aspect of those shitty games are mememods like >>333248935.
>>333249059
You go to bed, Mike.
I had a fun game in EU4 multiplayer where me and a friend started as Native American tribes, conquered our neighbors, split North America in half between us, fought off colonization attempts, and eventually invaded and conquered Japan, Korea, and China together.
>>333249449
I said go to bed, Mike.
>>333249449
yah
Mare Nostrum fucking when
>>333249449
You should've conquered the Nauhatul/Inti respectively and converted to their religions.
>>333249565
this was before that meme expansion.
Mike, tell em about our 3 empires game
>>333249667
You do it faggot, I'm going to sleep.
>>333247036
ALLAHU SNACKBAR!!!
>>333249723
Thank god for States. Finally it will bring an end to blobbing and painting maps.
>>333247504
Unfortunately this. I hope HoI4 makes things a bit better, but ultimately it's just "paint map as a major power" or "paint map as a minor power that is capable of not getting buttfucked immediately via autism or patience."
There's just not enough variance between games.
>>333249372
Thanks Aaron.
>>333248342
How can I make my gsg kawaii again anon?
>>333249723
>attract immigrants
>palestine
T-those are Jewish Immigrants, right?
man, i just remembered i was playing a game of this. there's probably been a gorillion new DLCs since I last played
I'll finish it one day, insh'allah
I play Dominions but it's more like Warhammer honestly.
>>333249164
Do those wargames have a polictical aspect to it though? I thought they were mostly about organizing shit like logistics.
>>333249863
HoI4 is a production line simulator. It looks pretty good.
I'd rather play an rts or moba desu senpai
>>333249946
sure thing there rabbi anonstien
>>333250057
HoI is about organizing logistics, CK2 is about role playing as a lunatic despot, EU4 is diplomacy simulator and Victoria 2 is alcohol manufacturing simulator.
>>333250192
I was talking about War in the East/West/Pacific, not Paradox's snoozefests.
>>333250229
>snoozefests
>he doesn't enjoy engaging in long term economic planning of an industrializing nation
>>333250113
Yeah, I like the various binary alt history choices. It's exactly what the genre needs.
I was pretty blown away when I saw the Anglo-French Union during the World War Wednesday stream.
Of course, a remaining problem is still the fact that only a small number of nations are actually playable to an enjoyable extent. It was an exercise in autism trying to play as a South American fascist nation - oh sure you could do it, but the game doesn't really want you to and there are various penalties applied to you, most notably of which is the strange idea that Brazil was not an industrialized nation at the time. Sure it wasn't Germany, but it was still a self-sufficient country for goodness sake!
However, I think that can be easily remedied with regional DLCs that make South American, Africa/Middle Eastern, Asian, Minor European, British Commonwealth, and Soviet Satellites more fun to play. Like you get unique systems for joining various ideologies and unique objectives if you want to do something alt history like fascist Persia or restore the Ottoman Empire.
>>333250192
>EU4 is diplomacy simulator
Since when? EU4 is an opportunist simulator, fuck alliances.
>>333248664
If you aren't actually a troll, some basics for Shogun 2:
Start as the Shimazu or Chosokabe on medium for your first playthroughs, other clans are much harder until you know what you're doing
>Economy
-Get trade agreements with other clans
-Upgrade your port to a trade port and build trade ships, send them to the trade nodes around the map for massive dosh
-ALWAYS be in the positive for food. Never build higher level castles without having a surplus of food
-Upgrading farms first is a good idea, don't neglect upgrading roads and ports as well
-NEVER upgrade markets
-recruit Metsuke's from towns with markets. Stick them in your most profitable towns for even more income. Upgrade them along the Overseeing Town line
>Diplomacy
-NEVER backstab an ally, always break agreements and wait for truce timers to run out
-ALWAYS expect the AI to betray you, unless their temperament is Peaceful
>Combat
-Ashigaru are cheap, but weak. Very cost effective though and good for early game. Samurai cost more in both training cost and upkeep, but are much stronger
-Spears beat Cavalry, Swords beat Spears. Archers beat low destroy low armour units (like Ashigaru and Monks) but are less effective against high armour units (Samurai). Cavalry are good for killing bow units, decisive charges against wavering units, and mopping up kills when the enemy has routed
-Units on top of hills get defensive and range bonus, and are harder to hit with bows. Units in forests are hidden until enemy units get close, and are highly protected from bows
-Yari Ashigaru using the spear wall ability tire faster and move slower, but murder almost anything in melee but specialized combat samurai (like Katanas)
-A clan's speciality increases the stats and reduces the cost of certain units, making them highly cost effective. it's always a good idea to play to these strengths. For the Shimzau its Katana Samurai/Cavalry, for the Chosokabe its bow armed units
>>333250524
I don't think that's true in HoI4. HoI3 was heavily scripted and had horrible production mechanics which made the game heavily dependent on the performance of 3 nations. Even as a small major like Italy it was a horrible struggle to pump out infantry/planes/tanks/ships on the meager IC.
But in HoI4 it seems like even small nations like Finland can do a lot of things because of the way production is structured and industry is built up.
Even in HoI2 it was nowhere near as bad as HoI3.
>>333249939
google the anime portrait mod
there's steam link and dropbox link
>>333248798
>autistic
Care to elaborate on that? What do you see when a game is autistic?
>15yo daughter
>she asks me if she can leave court
>she wants pursue a life of piety at a nunnery
>let go go with my blessing
>fast forward 7 years
>alert: your daughter has died!
>what?
>view her character sheet
>traits: depressed, homosexual
>cause of death: suicide
My daughter was confused and in order to try and help herself she decided to dedicate her life to God. Only she couldn't deny her true self and her unusual feelings no matter how devoted she was. So spiraling into a depression and convinced she would be forever shunned by God she took her own life.
My own daughter couldn't come to me and talk to me about what she was going to...
Why didn't I write to her more often? Why did I not visit her more? Why wasn't I a better father? Why is a grand strategy game giving me feels?
wargames>grand "strategy" games
>>333253219
You know what you had to do to cure her. Yet you did nothing. You are a failure as a father and as a lover.
>>333251874
Complex
