>there are people who don't think this is the worst 3D Zelda game
>>333194632
But it gave us the best porn.
it's either this is skyrim sword
>>333194632
I think it's 3rd best
>>333195116
No you don't. You think it's the worst.
I'd argue it's the worst video game of all time.
>>333193548
wow
it's fucking nothing
>>333196007
Just like TP's overworld.
SSwas the best Zelda game. Loved the motion controls.
Please bring it back Nintendo
>>333194632
I do, but it's still not a bad game, just somewhat boring. I wish I could say that for most other series.
>>333194632
2nd worst, SS is the worst.
Can't wait for the Zelda cycle to be proven true when people seriously start calling SS the best Zelda.
>>333194632
played it years ago... fucking derpessing game.
was used to the lovely made maps of oot and mm but the map designers did either a quite shitty job tbqh or they did it intentionally which would be even much worse.
>>333197383
You're aware we can see you same fagging, right?
>>333194632
It's not that bad negro
>>333197479
How did I miss that? I think my mind just filters out stupid annie may girls.
1.) Wind Waker
2.) Ocarina of Time
3.) Twilight Princess
4.) Majora's Mask
5.) Skyward Sword
All other opinions are wrong.
currently having a good time with the remaster. Technical issues aside, the game is linear but that's it.
>>333194632
>best dungeons overall in 3d zelda
>best companion
>best combat
>somehow the worst
>>333197936
>Yui is a stupid anime girl
Leave her alone!
>>333198057
I love Wind Waker, but come on.
>Piss-easy dungeons
>Boring combat
>Long Triforce hunt filler right before the final boss that kills the pacing
I'd put it on the lower end of the scale.
>>333194632
MM > WW > TP > SS > OoT
>>333198539
>I love Wind Waker
>It has boring combat, easy dungeons, and the pacing is fucked
>It's a lower-scale Zelda game
>I love Wind Waker!
>played tp at launch and thought it was garbage
>replayed it recently
>actually pretty good towards the end but still my least favorite 3d zelda
>never got round to playing ss
>if I play it and actually enjoy it I'll be called a faggot
suffering.
>>333198889
>You can't enjoy something while also acknowledging that it has flaws
This is unironically my favorite Zelda game of all time.
>>333199116
>>if I play it and actually enjoy it I'll be called a faggot
>caring about shit like this
TP is crap and SS is great.
>>333199239
>flaws
Those were some pretty fucked-up flaws you listed, anon. Yet you still praise the game. How long you been working for IGN?
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>>333198151
>Ice mansion
>best dungeon
Wow
>There are people on /v/ who were younger than 10 years old when they first played TP
>>333198057
Wind Waker wasn't that great.
>>333200118
Well, wise guy, which of the 3D games has better dungeons?
Nothing in TP is as bad as
>OoT Water
>MM Water
>SSanything
>>333199552
He is saying he enjoys the game but doesn't think its the Number 1 Zelda game you fucking idiot.
And he is right, it isnt the best. It has cut content, horribly bland music and overrated and simplistic art design. One of the characters is literally a fucking twig and leaf.
Plus Tetra is worst Zelda, no question.
>>333195882
How so? I am actually curious as to why you believe this.
>>333194632
>there are people who care enough the game to post about it
>>333200446
>Plus Tetra is worst Zelda, no question.
Real funny way to spell best
>>333200446
>you fucking idiot
Flaming is against the rules.
>And he is right, it isnt the best. It has cut content, horribly bland music and overrated and simplistic art design. One of the characters is literally a fucking twig and leaf
Thanks for stating your subjective opinions!
>>333199116
You really care about what the autistic Zelda fanbase thinks? These are the same people that masturbate to anime.
>>333200407
>dungeons in SS are bad
Lanayru Mining Facility and especially Ancient Cistern and Sandship are top-notch.
>>333198151
>best dungeons overall in 3d zelda
I never really got this. TP had a few really cool dungeons (Yeti Mansion especially), but overall the design felt lacking.
I liked how OoT and MM usually had one big overarching puzzle per dungeon. Big puzzles that spanned multiple rooms and floors that you would solved throughout the process of the dungeon.
You almost never had that in TP. All the dungeons were mostly collections of insular rooms and puzzles
>>333200870
All the SS dungeons are pretty damn good. The only meh one was the first, and that's just because it stuck closest with the traditional "hit the switch to open the door" shtick of the previous games.
>>333200446
>Plus Tetra is worst Zelda, no question.
I didn't bother to read anything else you had to say.
>>333194632
Its almost like your just intentionally forgetting skyward sword as bait. Nice thread OP :^)
>>333194632
Nah, the Wii version is.
>>333200407
>SS had bad dungeons
is this a meme? did we play the same game?
>>333194632
But it is the best Zelda game period, in fact.
>>333200446
>Plus Tetra is worst Zelda, no question.
No agreement, either.
>>333194632
OoT>TP>>WW>>>SS
I haven't finished MM yet.
>>333201051
so you read the entire post?
The worst ones are Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, and Skyward Sword.
Who the fuck plays a Zelda game for the sidequests? Who the fuck actually liked that shitty ass empty ocean? Who the fuck liked Skyward Sword's controls?
>>333200870
Ancient Cistern LOOKS nice. The dungeon itself is nothing to write home about. That leaves it with two dungeons that are really only good because they both have the same gimmick which happens to be the most interesting thing in the game.
>>333194632
TP felt like a game that nobody wanted to make
Its what happens when fanservice is the driving force behind development, instead of any sort genuine creative intent.
Only worthwhile thing about it was the dungeons. Everything in between was trash.
>>333201000
Except there were dungeons that did this
>having to get all the monkeys in the first dungeon
>needing to redirect the water in the central room in lakebed
>killing all the poes with the flames in arbiters grounds (admittedly a ripoff of OoT forest temple)
>>333201000
>Big puzzles that spanned multiple rooms and floors that you would solved throughout the process of the dungeon.
Twilight Princess had plenty of those, the lakebed temple in particular comes to mind.
>>333200870
Sandship would have been great if your dumbass companion didn't ruin the dungeon's gimmick for you 5 minutes in. Objectively everything in that game is ruined by how hand holdey Fi is.
>>333201228
>so you read the entire post?
Nope. My BS detector instantly gravitated towards anon's retarded statement.
>>333201416
>Its what happens when fanservice is the driving force behind development, instead of any sort genuine creative intent.
That's why I liked Wind Waker.
Even though it was short and somewhat easy it felt like something new to the Zelda franchise rather than trying it's best to recapture OoT.
>>333194632
Perfect
>>333201000
Every dungeon in TP is the same thing. Starting corridor -> central room with left and right branches plus invariably locked middle branch -> do one of the lateral branches (get dungeon item or key for the other branch), go back and do the other (get boss key and/or dungeon item), go back and take the middle branch to the boss.
>>333194632
Of course they don't, it's not Skyward Sword.
>>333201478
you had the central room in Lakebed and the Monkey collecting in the Forest Temple, that's pretty much it. Even the Temple of Time with the statue gimmick, you were still just leading it through a bunch of insular rooms.
For a game with what, 9 dungeons? 2 major puzzles feels like a dip in design quality.
>>333194632
>there are people that don't think op is a faggot
MM > WW > OoT >>> SS > TP
I accept that my nostalgia probably plays into this, but damn was TP a disappointment. Everything between the dungeons felt like such a slog, and its got to have the worst Zelda soundtrack (at least until we got Phantom Hourglass)
>>333194632
That's because those people have good taste in video games anon.
>>333194632
There are people who don't know Squidward Sword was the worst
Twilight Princess can't be the worst Zelda game when the likes of Skyward Sword and Spirit Tracks exist, but it still has its share of problems which make me question why I bothered replaying it.
One of the most glaring things for me was the combat, the camera work is utterly atrocious in combat situations with L-targeting.
It's necessary to L-target to perform certain manoeuvres, but this causes all sorts of problems when your target has to be surprisingly close to be locked down, and eliminating one can quickly snap onto another.
Did you think you'd actually stopped targeting the moment you let go of the LR-button? Lol nope, for a brief moment you're still targeting, and pressing the A button will still trigger a jump attack instead of doing something else.
The ZR button has weird as fuck context. Sometimes it also does a jump attack, or sometimes it does a shield bash like you want it to, or otherwise substitute an A button press.
One of the most annoying things is that your movement is always relative to the camera, not necessarily to your locked target, and yet your actions are relevant to your target. If the camera gets in a weird or unexpected angle or snaps in a way you didn't anticipate, what was meant to be a jump attack can turn into a side roll or vice versa.
I can't recall Wind Waker giving me this much shit.
>>333194632
>best 3d dungeons
Worst is WW, by a mile.
>>333202775
nigger did you even play Spirit Tracks
>>333203047
Of course he hasn't he didn't even address it.
The world in TP felt so bland and lifeless. I can't believe how lazy they got with Castle Town and Kakariko.
>>333203047
Yes and Spirit Tracks is shit for a lot of reasons.
The fucking train driving is pure filler and negates exploration when your paths are laid out for you. They're littered with instant-kill suicide trains to watch out for and the bunny hunting is no fun.
The lore is dumb as shit, fucking TRAIN PEOPLE AND TRAIN DEMONS.
The pan flute is bar-none the worst instrument in the Zelda series through the brilliant conception of blowing into the DS mic whilst sliding your stylus on the touch screen to awkwardly play a sequence of notes. Even Skyward Sword understood what went wrong here and limited the harp to basic strumming motions.
Dungeons and such were alright though but you had to deal with a lot to get to them. Phantom Zelda is actually great.
>>333203514
Between both Kakarikos there are four residents total, whatever excuses they may make that's just boring.
There's nobody of interest in TP's lands, no real colorful people like the residents of Castle Town or Kakariko, Kokiri Forest etc from OoT.
>>333203636
you must be a retard if you couldn't use the flute properly
also the lore is at least interesting and different instead of rehashing the same 3 races over and over like usual
>>333203889
Oh yes because who doesn't fucking love the Eskimo creatures from Phantom Hourglass?
The flute is not difficult to use for skill but for the haphazard gimmicky use of the mic.
>>333203636
I liked playing Pac Man with the demon trains and Where's Waldo with the rabbits
Honestly, it was more fun that running around a flat, empty field for the Nth time.
>>333204093
See it could've also just put in an actual overworld that's tightly packaged like Link Between Worlds.
It took them face-lifting Link to the Past's map to understand this. We need more maps akin to NES Zelda, LttP, Link's Awakening, Oracles and Minish Cap.
>>333202775
>Twilight Princess can't be the worst Zelda game when the likes of Skyward Sword
found the pleb
>>333203636
>The pan flute is bar-none the worst instrument in the Zelda series
nothing could be worse than the SS harp, or sound worse than the wolf howls
>>333204574
>three tones for howling
>trying to emulate the OOT/MM Ocarina songs with five notes plus half-tones
Who the fuck thought it was a good idea?
>>333203636
You know that demons based on morphs and constructs exist in actual mythology, right? Of course it's bullshit. It's what people actually believed at the time.
>>333204574
>>333204729
Yes, SS Harp is boring and wolf howls sound like shit.
Neither of them killed the flow of the climatic final boss battle though.
>>333204805
I wasn't aware of them but wouldn't be surprised that they existed.
This however does not change that they are seriously fucking lame.
Malladus was also a shit antagonist, it's practically just a stronger enemy that possesses a leprechaun to become not-Ganon
>>333204574
>thinking anything could ever top the fucking pan flute in uncontrollability
The Harp and Howl are over with quickly and easily. Howl is even optional mostly.
The Panflute is tied to the shitty DS mic and you're required to do the song at least decently to make progress. It's abominable, I recently tried to replay Spirit Tracks and quit the minute Zelda had to remind me this pile of shit existed.
The worst is clearlyMajora's Mask
>>333205437
How did any of you have any trouble with the pan flute
It was so basic and easy to use you would have to be a literal retard or 5 year old to have any trouble with it
>>333205643
Again it is not difficult to grasp, but the DS mic is unreliable for this task.
>>333205715
Uh no, literally never had anybtrouble with the mic. You blow into it, it works. Like i said, you would have to be a literal retard to have trouble with it
>>333205715
The problem I had with it is that I always ended up moving the DS as if I was playing an actual panflute to hit the different notes instead of dragging the stylus around.
>>333205946
Well we could send back and forth anecdotes about this all day but we won't get anywhere like that now will we?
>>333205715
Was your mic broken or something?
The thing was ass for picking up voices but blowing into it was just fine.
I think you were just a fat fuck that couldn't produce that much air.
>>333200118
>Ice mansion
>worst dungeon
literally the first thing that comes to peoples minds when they say how good tp's dungeons were is snowpeak ruinsand they're right you idiot
