What the fuck happened this generation?
>>333086983
nothin much what about you
>>333086983
Sony realized they didn't have to try to succeed, they just let MS kill themselves
Also, weebs will buy literally anything, so there's that too
>>333086983
Unoptimized engines
>1408x792
Why is this resolution so common on XB1?
Seems like ever since Titanfall, a lot of games use it.
This is the worst console generation in terms of hardware leaps. While the PS3 and Xbox360 were decent devices for their time, especially considering the 360's price, the PS4 (and especially the Xbone and Wii U) was an obsolete piece of shit with a CPU bottleneck even before it released.
This is why the PS4K thing is happening. They need another console generation now, but they can't afford to abandon the consoles they just released like Nintendo is doing with the Wii U, so they are going with the re-released console path.
>>333086983
Consoles pushing visuals over performance and gameplay. As long as he game shines and sparkles who cares.
Stop bitching, games are looking better than they ever have before, theres no difference between the two ffs give it a rest
>>333087361
I really doubt that game logic is really causing a lot of the slowdowns. Sure the CPUs are pretty anemic, but they have nothing to do with the fact the GPUs that are both in the PS4 and the Xbox One are just not good enough for 1080p.
>>333087643
Looking better? maybe
Playing better? fucking god no.
>>333087652
I wasn't blaming the CPU for this, just pointing out how shitty this generation of consoles are.
>>333087517
>Consoles pushing visuals over performance and gameplay.
I take it you haven't seen what this new demo looks like.
>>333086983
I really fucking hope this comes to PC. Jesus, this is hideous, I'm no longer getting a PS4 for it.
>>333086983
just wait till the game comes out. the demo was shit we know that. we don't need a billion threads a day reminding us.
>>333086983
Consoles. Like every other generation.
It seems like they are doing though, so there's that.
>pointless console spec fighting
What the fuck happened to YOUR generation, m8?
>>333088102
*not doing the job anymore
>>333088102
But this generation has been god awful compared to the previous generations.
It used to be that consoles would have a leg up on PC's, then PC would eventually catch up and surpass until the next generation.
>>333086983
Developers are releasing tech demos of unfinished game?
>>333087758
Ops pic is comparing visuals not gameplay
>>333088229
This thread isn't about comparing PS4 vs. Xbone performance. It's about complaining about how both are pieces of shit.
>>333088285
considering they announced a release date already and that game that big need to be gold at elast 6 month before said dare it's getting pretty critical for them. They don't have the time left for a proper graphic upgrade + test loop
It looks like how a youtube video plays when it jumps from 1080p to 480p because of hiccups.
I have my doubts but I'll let SE keep making their game. Better not be another open world meme problem.
>>333088102
They already had a specs upgrade from PS3 to PS4 and X1. That's one spare gen up and PS3 version is kaput now. You can't blame consoles SE seems to have a direction problem. The scale keeps getting bigger and bigger with the anime announcement too.
![best-crying-jordan-memes[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ibwj1oK.jpg "best-crying-jordan-memes[1].jpg")
>>333086983
>Buy Pc all you get are shitty console ports
>Buy console always framedrops under 30 fps
>>333088760
modern gaming
>>333088102
What has PC released this gen that's noteworthy?
>>333088229
Uhh, are you implying that console wars haven't been around since there's been more than one console on the market?
If so, you're obviously underageb&.
The second crash is coming.
>>333089279
All the generes that belong to PC keep doing alright, grand strategy games, RTS, Korean MMOs, FPS etc. Only MOBAS and AAA shit is what keeps getting worst.
>>333089279
Actually playable versions of console games.
>>333086983
>PS4 is outdated piece of crap before it even comes out
>games are ugly and run at sub 30 fps
If you didn't see this coming, you are braindead.
>>333087652
>just not good enough for 1080p.
An intel-only laptop from 2009 can run things in 1080p. The problem is developers trying to use more graphical effects than the consoles can handle.
>>333089279
Xcom 2 I guess. Warhammer total war also looks promising.
My only reason why I will build a new pc when I have enough money is because ofWow: Legion ;_;
>>333089325
No it's not
>>333089846
VR will end this.
>>333089772
>build a new PC forWoW
Is your current one a decade old or something?
>>333089325
No the market nowdays is too stable for that. EA and Activision still have their cashcows.
>>333089325
No it isn't.
There won't be a crash.
Gamers have NO STANDARDS. Publishers and literally chop up a game and sell it in pieces for more money, and gamers buy it and defend it. There's no hope for this medium because publishers can get away with almost anything.
>>333089919
>VR will somehow cause an industry crash
Please explain, oh wise one
>>333089930
My pc is ~6 years old I can playWowonly on Medium and with the next Addon I will most likely only be able to play it on low because the requirements will increase again.
>>333087841
That's the sad part. They still look like asshole while running at 10-20fps.
>>333090286
Fair enough then. I hope you havefunwith it. I know I couldn't, but different strokes etc etc.
>>333089325
Publisher's aren't making pants-on-head retarded decisions like producing more cartridges than there are consoles sold. Activation, EA, Take-two, Ubisoft and Nintendo are all making profits.
>>333090475
Thanks but I'm not sure if i will have fun with the next addon. The last time I really had fun with WoW was back in Wotlk.
>10 years and 3 gorillian dollars and this is what we get
HOW
O
W
>>333090752
>The last time I really had fun with WoW was back in Wotlk.
>>333090823
Tabata and FFXIV
>>333090823
Tabata
>>333091112
Who's Tabatha? Did they spend all the money on her?
Did they delete all the work they did before she showed up and have to scrape something together in a year?
No, really, how does this happen?
>>333091069
Atleast I will have fun to level a character through the new zones.
>>333091367
Under normal circumstances this game would be cancelled after 3 years of going nowhere but SE kept throwing money at the game.
>>333091367
Tabata (the director of FFXV) is the genius that made FF Typeo, Crisis Core and 3rd Birthday
He's really good ad wasting money on making it's battle system worse and cutting game content and chaing stories to have dramatic endings
And FFXIVs rereleases delayd FFXV by forever
>>333086983
Sony and MS decided to release cheap pieces of shit with shit tier specs so they could make profit from day one instead of selling a loss leader for a few years before turning a profit.
PC won
>>333086983
>>333086983
Compared to Final Fantasy XIII
>>333091596
>3rd Birthday
That game literally gave me cancer.
>>333091724
>believing sonygger's forced hype
PC always wins.
>>333089279
Undertale.
>1408x792
How the fuck does that even work? That's not a 16:9 resolution. Does FFXV look stretched when you play it on Xbone?
>>333091807
Guess that settles it
>>333091724
RTS is still dead. It hurts. Instead PC is now "consoles too" but with more graphics.
Meanwhile consoles are becoming "PC too" but lite.
Although it wont crash, at times you can really see how shitty the industry has become.
>>333091596
So we get the worst of both worlds.
Nomura's gay goth clubboi designs and Tabatha's horrible track record. Great.
>>333087190
MS has 200+ million users across Xbox and Windows 10, m8
>>333091912
What I wouldn't give for a good PE sequel.
And yeah, I know they've lost the rights and it'll never happen until they have to go rummaging through their IP garbage bin ten years from now.
If this company still even exists at that point.
>>333092374
Just call it Parasite Steve
>>333092134
Is there anything other than FAF that's worth playing? Sins of a Solar Empire is decent as well.
>>333092457
Sure, why not. But the point is PE: Other M poisoned the well.
>>333088008
It will but there 3 choices
1. Release the pc version with the dx12 tech and build that isn't downgraded and REALLY show how shitty the ps4 is.
2. Wait until the new consoles are out and release it as a "remaster" later
3. Run parity on the pc version and bring it down to the shitty levels of the consoles
This is another gta v scenario. Except it won't take as long since the new iterations and NX are on their way by the end or early next year
>>333088697
Nope it's on Sony and MS
Ubisoft had this problem too
>Sony and MS promise super OP consoles
>Crytek demands 8gb of ram minimum
>Ubisoft wants super powerful gpu for watch dongs, ass creed unity and the division
>SE wants this too in order to use Visual Works models for real-time and 75% live action
>Activision wants powerful and good online for Destiny and 60fps cawadoody
>Sony and MS say yes
>promise 1080p 60fps to everyone
>Ubisoft actually showcases watch dongs at 1080p 30fps with max grafix on 2 sli gtx 580s
And then they fucked everyone up by releasing shit hardware
This is entirely on Sony and MS
>>333091946
>30fps
>memer's earthbound clone
>>333089325
for that people would ahve to be tired of buying shit, and looking at the sales of PS4, people don0t care about quality, so ain't gonna happen.
>>333086983
Bloat & an over reliance on graphics that puch the system toward it's limits
remember how the PS4 was toted as "Super Charged PC guys!"
>>333087307
My guess is that it fits nicely into the ESRAM.
>>333092953
And Xbox One was supposed to be a water cooler
>>333092953
I remember when performance was mediocre on launch so people started touting "DIRECTX 12! HSA! HUMA! MUH OPTIMIZATION!"
And yet, when that all turned out to be BS (aside from DX12, which hasn't really helped console OR PC performance outside of Ashes of the Singularity), people just dropped it all.
Console owners aren't accustomed to graphics vendors hyping up shit that's literally almost completely useless, so they fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
>>333092638
So either pull a crytek, pull a rockstar or pull a ubisoft?
Please no ubisoft, I'd be ok with them doing a gta v scenario if it's not a shit port and it runs well
This game looks and runs worse than XIII and it's running on hardware much more powerful
>>333092638
>2. Wait until the new consoles are out and release it as a "remaster" later
Now that I think about it people always said pc got a release later towards the end of the gen so people double dip
But it seems it's more so that the console version doesn't look completeley outclassed which might hamper console sales with the it's not fair mentality.
Well I won't lie prefer to wait for a better looking game like gta v than be stuck with a downgrade like watchdogs
>>333093226
I wouldn't say it looks worse than XIII, it just doesn't look all that much better considering the hardware it's on and how poorly it runs.
>>333093429
It does look worse
The downgrade has been fucking savage
>>333093789
Doesn't matter for Square
Gotta have them cloth and hair physics that you barely notice
>>333093789
you only think this looks better because it's like a sharp slightly more modeled ps2 game.
the models for xv have more realistic depth
>>333093176
>>333093205
>>333093789
Maybe they should've have just released it while it was still called Versus instead of rebranding it XIV (just think of all those poor saps that bought the PS3 just for Versus)
Hopefully FF15 will be compatible with PS4K. Yeah people bitch about it but you know what if it means we can get stable native 1080p/30fps for all games I'm fine.
>>333093985
I fucking hate 8th gen priorities
>>333094105
Nice bullshot, now show me something running on a ps4
This is a 1080p ps2 game
>>333091639
It's okay when nintendo does it
>Wi-witcher 3 fags btfo!
Pretty sure not even Microsoft knows what their doing with the xbone anymore. The 360's original success must have given them an inflated ego on consoles or something because since then they've done nothing but bad mistake, one after another, and then try to patch shit up afterward but they already made the bed. The console also seems to lack dirrection as first they tried forcing the motion controlls hard to compete with Wii and no one wanted that. They then went for the the whole home theater decive thing and everyone was not impressed and now everyones just looking at the console funny because it can't even run games as well as the competition.
The FF15 engine simply sucks. That's why they are dropping it for FF7 and KH3.
>>333094420
no THIS is an hd ps2 game
>>333094420
and THIS is a ps4 game.
>>333095319
God damn son, this is blurry as shit.
>>333095038
lmao the xbone is still a fucking success. they've sold it at a profit, and it's sold more than 25+ million as compared to the fucking wii u. fuck off.
>>333095176
Remember when they showed this off at E3 2012?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbEcQCqCezg
The amount of bullshit is worse than the Killzone 2 trailer.
>>333095503
doesn't matter. every single model still has more depth than that fucking last gen 13 screenshot being run on a pc cause we know damn well the game ran at 720p NOT 1080p. >>333093789
>>333095538
>more than 25+ million
By "25+ million" do you mean "barely 20 million?"
>>333095658
Not really, it's a tech demo, they always look great and barely end up ever being used to that extend in a game that shit also ran on 2 980s
>>333095693
>every single model still has more depth than that fucking last gen 13 screenshot
Ehh, not really, especially considering it's a blurry Youtube screencap.
>>333095658
To be fair Square were honest and said that demo was running on PC.
>>333095796
This was also a tech demo and it looks horrible.
>>333095796
>that shit also ran on 2 980s
A single 680 actually, with an i7 3770k.
It also ran at 60 FPS.
http://www.gamechup.com/agnis-philosophy-tech-demo-ran-on-a-gtx-680-specs-revealed/
Granted, a 680/i7 3770k blows the PS4 out of the water.
>>333095830
this screenshot still looks better than the 13 one. you only like 13 because it's probably the 1st final fantasy you played on your pc.
>>333095905
Say thanks to Tabata
He has the wrong priorities
>>333092248
Sony have like a billion customers across all their movies, phones, TVs, bluray players and consoles m8
>>333095950
I've actually never played the PC version of 13 since it's a shit game, but the models in FFXV are pretty bad for the most part.
Nevermind the horrible resolution fucks up a lot of the detail.
>>333095181
X-2 had fucking fantastic facial expressions for the hardware it was on
>>333095693
Are you implying XV runs at 1080p?
Comparing X and X-2 1080p screens with XIII, XIII looks clearly better, the same obviously cannot be said for XIII vs XV
XIII should not look better especially since XV runs like shit as well
>>333094667
>retard doesn't know how demos work
>>333095714
have you even checked the stats? They're at 25+ million, and the wii u was discontinued after 3 FUCKING YEARS LMAO
>>333086983
I only have a 720p TV. It looks fine to me.
console vs console
>thousands of videos, pictures and articles, entire websites and endless amounts of threads on /v/ dedicated to breaking down and going every every single minor graphical difference to figure out which version is SLIGHTLY better.
Console vs PC
>LOL GRAJPHICS DON'T MATTER I ONLY CARE ABOUT GAMEPLAY FUCKING PKEKS ONLY CARE ABOUT GRAPGICS
Shitty devs thought it was a good idea to develop games with highest end PC hardware in mind and then downgrade to consoles
>>333096338
This
Console hardware isn't great, but this engine is unoptimized as fuck, there's not reason for it to run this bad
>>333096017
>Sony have like a billion customers across all their movies, phones, TVs, bluray players and consoles m8
BAHHAHAHA
No.
Sony's phones are irrelevant, no one buys blu-ray players, and they spun off their TV industry years ago.
They also said they may exit the mobile market if their new phone flops.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Report-Sony-might-exit-its-smartphone-business-if-2016-doesnt-produce-a-profit_id74499
They're also kind of retarded for trying to put a 4k panel on a phone.
>>333087864
I don't particularly care about Ratchet & Clank or Insomniac but if this is indicative of a trend then holy shit.
>>333096104
WHY DO YOU FUCKING CARE???? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY IT ANYWAYS????? YOU'VE NEVER OWNED A FUCKING SNES AND PLAYED FF2 AND 3 SO WHY DO YOU FUCKING CARE?????? GO PLAY CRYSIS 3 THEN SINCE IT'S APPARENTLY A MUCH BETTER GAME BECAUSE IT "LOOKS BETTER". GRAPHICS THIS, GRAPHICS THAT, GRAPHICS THIS, GRAPHICS THAT, GRAPHICS THIS, GODDAMN YOU PC FAGGOTS ARE FUCKING INSUFFERABLE!!! JUST STOP PLAYING GAMES THEN IF YOU HATE THEM SO MUCH!!!! WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU EVEN WANT??? YOU'RE NEVER SATISFIED
>>333096338
Not the devs' fault
See >>333092772
>>333096423
The engine just needs a lot of power to work
Like how the Source engine was demanding back in the day
>>333096338
they ALL fucking do this.
after years of development they finally boot it up on the intended console to test out out and realize it doesn't even come close to running. then the rest of development time is spent in crisis mode as they desperatly try to downgrade everything they can just to get it to the point where the console wont explode. Finally they get the game chugging along at 18 fps.
>>333096506
Actually Sony phones sel pretty good and they're one of the closest thing you can get to stock android without custom roms or buying a nexus
>>333096531
I DON'T WANT 60FPS!!!! I WANT 1080P 30FPS!!!! I DON'T WANT TO PLAY A FUCKING PS2GAME!!!! FUCK OFFFFF
>>333096585
What about the Fox Engine or even Unreal Engine4?
>>333096139
>it's a demo!
>>333096647
>Actually Sony phones sel pretty good
No, not really.
Depends on what your idea of "pretty good" is.
>>333096576
>>333096721
lol calm down kiddo
>>333096740
Both had to be downgraded.
UE4 is pretty notorious for being downgraded pretty heavily.
>>333096772
>I'm retarded!
>>333096576
I want FFXV to use Crystal Tools, forward renderer for the lighting pipeline and 1080p 60fps on consoles as non-negotiable target
Start by matching the graphical fidelity of XIII and then work from there, improve the character models, then the effects, then the rest and stop improving graphic quality once you reach full gpu and cpu usage at 1080p 50fps in the most demanding scenes
>>333096740
UE4 is downgraded on consoles and runs like shit on them, see the VII R gameplay
Fox Engine was made for 7th gen 720p 30fps and adapted into 1080p 60fps on ps4
>>333087361
>This is why the PS4K thing is happening. They need another console generation now
If you honestly think that "PS4K" will be a significant jump from the PS4, you're naive.
The fact of the matter is that PC hardware left console hardware in the dust years ago and the gap has only gotten wider. Console manufacturers can no longer put out a platform with competitive hardware to a gaming PC while staying within a fixed price.
>>333096961
Both are pretty good engines in the right hands though, hell Batman Arkham Knight runs on Unreal3 and it's locked 30
The thing is that the Luminous Engine has really bad scaling, they would've too turn off so many options to run it at locked 30 that it would almost not be worth it
>>333095538
Selling it still doesn't mean its not the uncool step brother to the 360 that cant do anything right. I didn't say it wasn't a success, I just said it seems to lack ANY direction.
>>333086983
Console manufacturers aimed low in the hardware department and devs can't be bothered to optimize anymore. This shouldn't be a surprise at any point considering shareholder value is the driving factor of most AAA releases today.
>>333096961
The problem is that consoles are too weak to handle UE4, that's why we see so many downgrades
>>333088279
pc gamers' epeens got too big and they demanded to be first at the cost of 600 dollar gpus
>>333097149
>1080p 60fps on consoles
Why? This means the graphics will be worse for the PC version
Idunno
>>333097149
FFVII was barely in development at that point though
Tekken and SFV both use Unreal 4
Kingdom Hearts 3 also uses Unreal 4 and they all run good as far as we've seen
>>333096961
>engine
>downgraded
>>333097218
>hell Batman Arkham Knight runs on Unreal3 and it's locked 30
It also runs on UE3, like you said.
And Fox Engine, it's great in PT, but that's about it.
It's not even particularly impressive, MGSV and PES both used Fox Engine and neither was really a looker.
Granted, they ran well, but Fifa looks miles better than PES and also runs at 60 FPS.
Luminous Engine was designed for high end hardware from the getgo, while not the best idea, it would have at least pushed the envelope.
But, Japs are pretty stupid, so if they can't do it on a console, they won't do it at all, so we get a bastardized version for a cut-down HD 7870 and a laptop processor.
>>333097218
It's not about scaling
If a gtx 680 runs it well at 60fps it just means it scales well only above the baseline requirements that the ps4 fails to meet
Would you say frostbite 3 has shit scaling because a wii can't run battlefield 4?
>>333097443
It seems like this game is getting worse graphics and framerates the closer we are getting to release.
Duscae look like shit and performed like shit, but compared to this new demo, it was great.
This image is the Platinum demo.
>>333097443
Yes anon, downgraded.
UE4 completely removed their realtime global illumination implementation using VCT since consoles couldn't handle it.
>>333097357
Because it's an action game
Fine 720p fxaa and rock solid 30fps for maximum graphics
Point is Luminous in its current super demanding state was a mistake
They have an engine that looks gorgeous and runs great but they abandoned it
>>333097665
This image is Duscae.
Which by the way, had a much bigger are with more stuff in it than the platinum demo.
>>333094667
Don't worry, the pc version will fix it.
>>333097710
And if a PC dev wants to use this feature, they can't?
>>333097489
The thing is though that Luminous doesn't look that great unless you really set all the settings to ultra
But the demo has almost no reason to run that bad, it looks good and has the and the cloth, but other games have that too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaTjCvUZjck
Even KH3 while being not that heavy on polygon count most likely has way way more going on especially paritcles while running pretty well and i doubt the framerate will look any differnt if it runs on an actual PS4
>>333097142
>I don't understand console limitations
>it's a demo, therefore graphics will be lower than usual
>I refuse to believe my console is underpowered
>>333097807
Nope, it's no longer present in the engine.
This is what platform parity looks like.
>>333097665
>>333097789
This is also from the platinum demo
>>333097789
The area was huge, it had tons of grass, tons of enemies and your party on screen and yet it runs at around the same framerate as the PD
I thought you were supposed to improve optimization over time
>>333097430
Tekken and SFV are fighting games, not much going on
And I haven't seen KH3 run on a ps4
I won't believe them it's a ps4 until I see a demo or the actual gane
>>333097508
It's all about gfx cards feature. Most engines are using tesselation and other advanced shaders, those are too heavy for consoles
>>333097665
That actually looks good. s tad blurry but good.
>>333086983
players became whinners thanks to actually believing in the whole PC master race thing.
Why does it look like a decade old PC game?
>>333097430
SFV actually has framerate drops on PS4, which is a pretty big issue for a fightan game.
I wouldn't be surprised if Tekken 7 does as well.
>>333097961
Then it's completely on Sony and MS for misleading devs
>>333097789
Hopefully this is because Duscae was a vertical slice while platinum was made from scratch and they didn't put much effort into optimizing it in favour of working on the actual game. Or it could be a downgrade.
>>333087361
Slims where better than the phat PS3s too, dont throw a hissy fit. I bet the "PS4K" will be slimmer
>>333097990
I'm sorry anon, but that looks awful.
The background reminds me of the pre-rendered backgrounds in an early PS2 game.
>>333086983
Blame AMD's shitty APUs that couldn't cut it. Now there's going to be a PS4.5 with yet another APU that may or may not actually improve things.
>>333096871
wow why are you so butthurt?
>>333098073
I don't see how. They were given devkits with specs and documentation.
>>333098291
What?
>>333097990
If that "looks good" to you, i'm afraid of asking what looks bad for you.
>>333098263
>APUs
Why?
No seriously why?
>>333097878
The point is that demos have cut off areas that aren't detailed, because the files aren't there, because it's a demo.
>>333098218
I hope they won't make the PS4K slimmer just to make it look good, the PS3 Slim was actually not as loud as the fat and i hope it will happen with the PS4K too
The PS4 1200 model is not loud to begin with, but with games it still kicks up especially in pause menus, which is weird
>>333098379
Costs.
>>333097815
If you think KH3 looks at all comparable to FFXV you might be legitimately blind.
>>333098263
For a console with a set hardware that the developers have to work with an APU with way more efficient
>>333097815
>The thing is though that Luminous doesn't look that great unless you really set all the settings to ultra
Why do people act like they know what "ultra" is on a game with no PC version yet or even a release yet?
I see now why the Osaka team said fuck it and went for Unreal on KH3, Luminous engine probably fucked a great deal of their plans for this game because of Console Limitations.
>>333098478
What makes the demo look so much better that it runs at 15-30fps
The empty room? The one big enemy? The hair and cloth physics that you barely notice?
>>333098604
Let's assume "ultra" means "on a GTX 680 or better."
>>333088279
PS3 or 360 where never near a PC. Not even a PS4. Just look at Metro2033 for example
Personally, I'm hoping for the best.
I think FFXV is a great game, and everyone should feel happy that it's releasing.
I can't wait to play it you guys, the hype is UNREAL!
>>333098604
Because it doubt the console versions are high settings, because they look like shit and have one of the worst LOD and draw distance i've seen in a while
>>333098073
Yeah, Sony and MS fucked the devs big time. Problem is that devs can't say that the consoles are weak because Sony/MS are controlling the content.
If you want your game on our console then you better not talk shit about it!
>>333098701
How do you even know what GPU FF15 promo shit is running on?It's a GTX 560 >:)
>>333088358
framerate and resolution you falseflagging dumbass
>>333091596
...Crisis Core was good
>>333098663
Or because they're planning to bring interns to develop it
>>333098785
You do realize that "high" "very high" "ultra" etc are just decided upon and customized when they build the game for PC and aren't inherent to all games right?
>>333098814
How? They have devkits, they were briefed about the specs before they received it, they were given documentations. They know its limitations.
Why do you faggots always use FFXV as the catalyst for you shitflinging competitions?
>>333098903
It was mediocre, especially the gameplay
Tabata always goes for style over substance
>>333098665
Higher polycounts, better lighting and materials, etc. etc.
The big problem is that the actual resolution for rendering and assets is so low that it nukes the visuals.
Nevermind the horrible LoD scaling.
>>333098712
>PS3 or 360 where never near a PC.
On release the 360 and PS3 legitimately had a better GPU than pretty much every PC GPU on the market at the time thanks to their unified shaders (which didn't make their way to PC GPUs until the GTX 8000 series), which is why the 360/PS3 both lasted much longer than a 7800 GTX despite being outperformed by one at launch.
This gen, it's entirely different, there's no special secret sauce that developers have to learn how to take advantage of in these consoles, they were outdated on release and they'll stay that way.
>>333098847
I'm referring to the Agni's Philosophy tech demo, which runs on Lumiinous Engine and ran at 1080p60 on a GTX 680.
>>333099025
Because a demo just dropped and it gave fuel for shitposting. It's just timing, really. The same will happen for any highly hyped game. This is /v/, what do you expect?
>>333098986
So the console version are the best that the engine has to offer?
I'm just saying that at the state the engine is set to, to run on consoles, does not look good enough to achive that framerate
>>333099003
>How? They have devkits, they were briefed about the specs before they received it, they were given documentations.
Unless they were given the devkits back in 2010-2011 when they were developing their next gen engines, Sony and MS fucked up.
A LOT of developers were expecting something along the lines of a GTX 680, and the PS4 was nowhere near that.
>>333098427
I happen to know someone with a loud as hell PS4. Indoor smoking sure does damage to your system
>>333099093
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-grTutoJNE
Is it the same build as this one?
Wasn't the Luminous engine still in the 1.0 version in 2012?
>>333099186
>I'm just saying that at the state the engine is set to, to run on consoles, does not look good enough to achive that framerate
That's because they never designed it for hardware as weak as what's in the consoles.
The best they can hope to do is work backwards and scale things down to an insane degree, which, yes, will make things look like crap.
>>333096871
what are examples of good phones 4 u m8?
>>333099003
Well of course, but specs don't mean shit until you test the hardware.
And on paper the specs do look good, but sadly the cpu is weak as shit.
>>333099186
>I'm just saying that at the state the engine is set to, to run on consoles, does not look good enough to achive that framerate
That means the devs are incompetent and are wasting processing power, which I can quite easily agree with.
>>333099239
I dont smoke and my PS4 gets really loud after playing for about 30 minutes
>>333099147
>Because a demo just dropped and it gave fuel for shitposting.
I'm sure it is just shitposting, and not because the game looks like a sequel to Sonic 06
>>333098321
>>333099003
2 reasons
>1 they lied
>2 they lied again
First they lied by telling them 8th gen was gonna be very powerful
Then they lied with the devkits
IIRC the devkits were more powerful
Like 8gb ram seprate from the vram
A gtx 680
Shit was nuts
>>333099380
>That's because they never designed it for hardware as weak as what's in the consoles.
No, they designed it for the PS3 and now they're trying to use it on PS4 and it can't handle the high end shit they're trying to throw at it. Now they've given up and are just using UE4 for future games
>>333099339
>Is it the same build as this one?
Nah, that one is running on something insane, IIRC it's 4 Titan Xs in quad-SLI.
They really went overboard with "M-MUH HAIR DETAIL" and waste all these GPU cycles on something that most people give no fucks about and has no effect on gameplay.
>>333099186
>>333099380
NOW WHAT
Why make an engine that is pretty much build for a game on consoles, when it's not meant to run on consoles
>>333099421
Is DICE incompetent because BF4 doesn't run on a wii or because SW:BF doesn't run on a wii u?
>>333098663
Luminous Engine is really powerful, though.
>>333086983
Graphics. Graphics happened. Retard console shit eaters wanted graphics and that's what they're getting.
>sub 30 fps WITH dynamic resolution
what the fuck are they doing?
halo 5 has dynamic resolution and looks way better than this, and runs at 60fps all the time
>>333099595
Because the consoles were supposed to be much more powerful
And I mean a lot
Ps4 should have had a 7970 inside not the piece if crap it has now
>Implying Pcuck buys games
>Implying Majority of the PC normies didn't bought FFXIII only when it's 75% off
>Implying Pcucks won't be buthurtt and justify their piracy mentality when SE announce this game will have Denuvo and be DX12 exclusive.
>>333099567
>No, they designed it for the PS3
Luminous Engine?
Are you stupid m8?
Luminous was designed as a next-gen engine from the start, why would they showcase a PS3 engine running on a GTX 680?
Come on m8.
>>333099595
All they can do is drop the engine after FFXV or try their damnedest to scale it down significantly so it can actually somewhat run on current consoles. But at that point, what's the point?
>>333099664
Sleeping Dogs doesn't use Luminous Engine.
>>333099645
If a game is targeting 2 platforms you tone down the game's graphics so it can run at at least 30 fps on those platforms. If you don't you're retarded. They should take this game to 900p on PS4 or remove filters
>>333099828
Halo 5 was built witb proper specs in mind
FFXV was built on false promises and mow they either strip down the graohics or dismantle and remake the engine as a whole
>>333099664
Those reflections, that aliasing and that JPG quality aren't exactly helping your point.
>>333099971
>They should take this game to 900p on PS4 or remove filtersIt already runs at 900p on PS4, in fact, it drops below that at times.
>>333099846
Don't you have a Bloodborne thread to be shitposting with you golden faces, sonygger?
>>333099879
>All they can do is drop the engine after FFXV or try their damnedest to scale it down significantly so it can actually somewhat run on current consoles. But at that point, what's the point?
Their failure to "scale it down" is because they didn't make the engine well in the first place. The engine should be able to scale down well, not lose everything in the bargain and make the game look like Sonic 06 with some filtering.
>>333100010
This guy is correct, they built their game on a devkit that was much more powerful
>>333099971
It's already at dynamic rez, goes below 900p and it still drops fps like fucking crazy while looking like shit
It's hopeless, the engine needs better hardware just to do the basic tasks
Protip: It's the hair guys. The hair is using about 50% of the processing power in any given scene. And they can't remove it or change it because that was the design they decided on for the characters.
>>333100148
>because they didn't make the engine well in the first place.
Ehh, no argument there, but this is a Jap dev we're talking about.
The only reason Fox Engine wasn't a disaster on the same level is because there were a LOT of westerners working on it.
>>333099215
Most devs that provided launch games were given devkits that early though.
>>333100120
FF15 is multiplat you fat piece of disappointment
>>333100274
Then the engine is shit. It should scale down to PS3 level :^)
sonyggery
>>333099404
They do constantly test the hardware as they compile and recompile the build to test performance. If it chugs, they go back and cut quality, it's always been this way.
>>333091898
That's 720p though. The Xbox One runs FFXV at a crystal clear 792p so you can play it on the latest big screens.
>>333086983
I decided to try both the PS4 and Xbox One versions because I have both consoles and it's pretty ugly on both. What makes it worse though is that the framerate also sucks balls.
>>333100261
Remember Nomura proudly announcing they were gonna use 70% real-time cutscenes because Visual Works stuff was gonna get easily adapted and run in real time?
Haha, a man can dream
>>333100276
>Hair
How would you like your hair senpai?
>>333100276
But the hair looks like shit. Jaggies everywhere
>>333093789
>>333099468
It's also well known that the PS4 screenshot somehow gives worse image quality than it really is. Also, it doesn't make sense that PD looks and performs worse than Duscae. Something must be up with PD to be like that.
>>333100332
No they weren't
They developed on pc because muh x86 architecture
How do you think higher graphic settings ended up in watch dogs pc?
Why the fuck did they develop this ENTIRE GAME using PC hardware that's lightyears ahead and only just now start scaling it down for release? And with no PC release announced? I've been playing shit on my fucking PS2 and it runs at 60fps, why the fuck did devs stop knowing how to develop for the console the fucking game is for?
>>333099518
So it's just baseless accusations then.
>>333100503
Little chink there needs some shampoo with antialiasing
>>333100641
>It's also well known that the PS4 screenshot somehow gives worse image quality than it really is
Mmm, no, not really.
That's not how screenshots work, at worst it'll just be compressed so you won't get the same texture/asset detail compared to a lossless capture, it won't turn the shadows into horribly dithered blobs.
>>333100641
>It's also well known that the PS4 screenshot somehow gives worse image quality than it really is
That's not a known fact at all, just change the screenshot setting to PNG instead of jpeg since the jpeg compression quality is shit
I don't understand. Plenty of open world games look much better and run well on PS4 hardware.
>>333100641
>It's also well known that the PS4 screenshot somehow gives worse image quality than it really is
I dont think so. Even the hair in Duscae looked better.
Both screenshots were taken the same way
>>333100669
Because Ubisoft is not known for competence for any platform.
>muh x86 architecture
Same architecture don't mean shit unless the hardware configuration is the same.
>>333100919
They optimized his hair
>>333100628
Yeah the cell was a clusterfuck and this is why that happened
Now watch this
>>333100748
It's true
Look it up
>>333100814
I don't know what to tell you brah. I took a screenshot (PNG) and compared it side by side. Screenshot definitely has lower quality.
>>333091596
Fuck you, m8.
Type-0 and Crisis Core are some of the best Final Fantasy games.CC is better then VII
>>333101036
Post it.
>>333087864
The funny thing about this image is ever since they stopped making 60fps games, they've been making nothing but garbage that hasn't been received as well or sold as well as their previous titles.
Seriously though why was the 6th gen the last gen where most console games ran at 60fps?
>>333094667
Looks like a Sonic 06 screenshot.
>>333101131
I can post the screenshots I took but I can't very well post how the game is running here, can I? If you have a PS4 just compare them yourself.
>>333100976
pretty significant downgrade in terms of the complexity of the environment
>>333101241
Because western devs
>>333101093
Type0 must've been the only FF game you played then
