How did gaming fall so far from what it once was /v/?
I blame the west.
>>333083374
>games are bad because dlc exists
wew lad
subliminal marketing works
>>333083473
I concur.
>>333083518
It's not just dlc, microtransactions, patches galore, online only play, the list goes on and on.
>>333083374
Before, games were made by artists, engineers, toy makers, and other interesting and creative people. Now, they're made by people who grew up to old games, and want to either emulate them or turn them into movies.
>>333083374
dlc works because it was slowly introduces
first it was a little things like horse armor and useless stuff like that,then it got bigger and bigger and here we are today
>>333083779
Where half the game is behind a paywall. And retards pay for it anyway.
>>333083374
Consoles.
>>333083374
>Dorkly
ew
>>333083779
at least the TES fans reacted with horror at horse armor and bethesda hasn't had the balls to introduce cosmetic dlc into the TES series ever again
>>333084043
Some fanbases are smarter than others, i really think a big problem is the fact gaming has too large of an audience now.
Arcades have been tricking you to pay tons since the beginning.
>>333084140
funny thing is that its a fanbase other fans tend to shit on with glee
>>333083374
Plus the sales pitch was pretty good: adding new life to otherwise dead games. It made you think they'd put in an alternate ending for FF7 and so on.
>>333083623
All thanks to the west but the Koreans with their MMOs could be be the kind of powder keg that triggered all of this.
>>333083374
how about you play one first
>>333084495
This might be valid (it isn't) if any other form of media worked that way.
You don't buy a blu-ray then have to pay extra to watch the behind the scenes.
You don't buy a CD then have to pay extra to read the lyrics.
You don't buy a book then have to pay extra to get the BONUS FINAL CHAPTER (TRUE ENDING).
You don't buy a monitor then have to pay extra to get it to render in blue.
You don't buy HBO and then have to pay extra to watch GoT.
>>333083374
do NOT buy dlc, that includes amiibos and extra smash bros characters
the only acceptable form is full expansion packs
>>333084043
Hearthfire would like to have a word for you.
>>333084495
Jesus fuck, the lengths to which people will go to excuse their cuckoldry.
Or is that from a "game journalist", because at least then they have the excuse of being paid to lie.
>>333084945
adds an entire gameplay element, its not even close to say a valve tier cosmetic dlc
>>333083958
Funny, considering it was Mustard that invented DLC.
>>333084931
What if all your dvds and blurays have locked content on them and you just didn't know you could have unlocked them by paying moneyto me?
>>333084937
I don't i buy only the base game.
>>333083374
Idiots.
I don't blame companies, I blame the fucking idiots costumers who got used to get buttfucked, those are the same ones who says shit lile "if you don't have nothing to hide don't worry" and justify W10.
I really hope that htis kind of people get what they deserve for ruiining tech industry.
>>333085064
Consoles ruined gaming way before DLC was a thing though.
>>333085243
ok now just convince everyone you know to do the same and we'll be golden
>>333085383
Wish it were that easy.
>>333083374
Replace the "HOW DLC WAS BORN" for "HOW PS4.5 WAS BORN" for an updated version.
>>333085037
If you count literally nothing you couldn't already do with console commands as a gameplay element
>>333085528
They're wanting everything to be like a pc, another huge problem is they're "entertainment" machines, not game consoles anymore.
Serious question /v/
If game publishers decided to charge $70 instead of $60 for new games,but you get the whole game instead just like in old times
No dlc's,no preorder bonuses,nothing.
Would you support them?
>>333085857
>its cosmetic dlc because technically you could change the source code of the game yourself to include it
skyrim hatedom is hilarious, always looking for more and more obscure reasons to hate it
>>333085972
Absolutely, if i got the whole game for only $10 more sign me up. Hell some games back in the day used to cost like $90.
>>333085998
Ya ain't changing the source code though. your just adding shit that is already into the game to somewhere else in the game.
I guess doing the GTA gun cheat is changing the source code too.
>>333086541
alright give me the pre hearthfire soundbites for the various npc's involved in it you can just create using the console
seriously skyrim has flaws but trying to make everything it has a flaw is just plain ol' retarded
>>333086720
Somebody could've just modded it in really.
>>333083374
it began with expansion packs for rpgs
>>333086863
oh now its not just console commands someone needs to mod it in
and course hire the voice actors needed for it
use the professional recording studio to not make it sound shit
then hire testers to make sure its not bugged to hell and back
skyrim hatedom, still stupid, still hilarious
I have no idea what your talking about
We are still getting great games with a lot of content
There are games that do DLC AFTER the main game is already finished and filled with content
You guys should stop looking through your seeing glass
>>333084495
>buy box of wheat thins
>bottom 4th of the boxed is sealed off
>need to pay $1 extra to get the unlock code so I can eat the rest of my wheat thins
>>333083374
DLC was born from expansion packs. Except instead of going to the store to buy an addition to your game (Yuri's Revenge GOAT) they just had you download it instead. Eventually they become shorter, and cheaper. Thus, DLC
>>333084937
Smash DLC is fine though given that Smash Bro's itself is already a large as fuck game
>>333083473
I blame korea.
>>333087475
Not when characters are 6 dollars a piece.
>>333087475
>>333088003
$6 a fucking character is a massive rip off, especially considering all the literal clones in the roster
>dark pit
>dr mario
>>333083374
gaming is better than ever, unless you
1. only play AAA crap
and/or
2. only play on consoles
>>333088375
Only reason is because the old games haven't gone away, that won't be the case when so much shit today is online only.
>buy Attila from the Humble Bundle because I remember literally EVERYONE saying it fixed everything wrong with Rome 2
>80% of the factions are locked behind paywalls
>would cost $40 total to get them all
Worst $10 I've ever spent. Haven't touched the game at all.
>>333083374
It all started with Valve and HL2 forcing you to install Steam. Everything went downhill after it became successful. HL2 has everything wrong with gaming today, 2cinmeatic4u tech demo gameplay, shitty DRM, unfinished core game that will never be released and sold purely on hype and marketing. It was pure cancer.
>>333083374
i remember a time
when developers had to finish a game before releasing it
when there was no margin for error, before the time of patches and dlc
and you know what?
all those games worked
they required no patches, and the entire game was included in the purchase price
these were good times, times fondly remembered
now
vidya has changed
day one dlc for day one dlc, with more dlc expected next week
and dont forget to download a massive day one patch or your game will not work
this is why i steal
this is why i pirate
this is why i am not sorry
perhaps one day, things will be set right
but until then
i will continue to pirate everything i possibly can
>>333088754
That's absolutely retarded, what I want to know is where are people getting money for all this shit?
>>333088835
It wasn't even that fun and had a boring story.
>>333088905
This. Why support crap?
>>333083518
>wew lad
>>333088439
there are plenty of good new games, you can pretend there arent all you want
>>333088439
old games are outdated
>>333089197
HL2 being terrible is why gaming was terrible. A massive pile of shit with no gameplay and horrible level design thanks to retarded play testers was so successful it made PC gaming "relevant." Of course every other major publisher would copy its success.
>>333088375
All of my favorite games got turned into generic f2p shooters or are dead as shit. Any new game within the genres I like are end up being lazy spinoff reboots, incomplete unpolished garbage, or f2p shit.
>>333089346
I bet you like Destiny and DOTA.
>>333089314
There's a few, not plenty. Name some good ones for me.
>>333088318
>"all the literal clones"
>lists two characters
>implying two characters are destroying the roster
>>333084495
While I agree that companies are entitled to charge the highest possible price the market will bear, that doesn't mean they aren't motivated purely by greed.
>>333087247
More and more games are broken or missing content on day one. If you try to deny this then you will look like a moron.
>>333090056
Ganondorf, falco, toon link.
