>anon tells me to play Devil May Cry in order starting from the first
>play 1 for a bit last night
Its fucking HORRENDOUS...get lost, have no idea where to go or what to do. I enter a room, kill these sprites, leave the room, enter it again, WOAH HO HO here they are again. Have no idea how to pass any of these "puzzles".
What were they thinking? I just wasted $20 on HD collection didn't I? All the games are this bad?
>>332948369
+(You)
DMC 1 was going to be another resident evil game. If you wanted CUHRAZZZZYY then play 3 or 4 special edition.
If you didnt like the first skip the second and play DMC3, it's the game where it went from a wacky resident evil spinoff to its own thing. Play DMC4 as well but dont touch DmC.
>>332948631
it litereally has RE music
>>332948638
>If you didnt like the first skip the second and play DMC3
Am I supposed to like the first or do I just have bad taste?
Thats why I said what I said anon. Are you ok?
>>332948369
It's dated but it sounds to me that you just suck.
>Oh no you have to do some exploration here and there.
Kill yourself.
>>332948858
>Am I supposed to like the first
what the fuck is wrong with you
>>332948369
You got ripped off, too bad physical copies of 1 and 2 are so hard to find because they're worth like fifty cents combined. 3 and 4 can just be pirated.
>>332948369
>It's fucking HORRENDOUS
>I got lost
>I had no idea where to go
>I didn't know what to do
Sounds like YOU were horrendous, not the game.
No DMC1 is very clunky compared to 3 and 4. Its fun for other people but some just dont like it. No need in bashing your taste if you want a modernized experience. 4S is the best way to play since it gives you more people to play as the only downside is there are no cut-scenes for the new bonus characters except for the opening and closing of their stories.
>>332948858
The first is nothing special gameplay wise and I personally liked the castle, but I can see why others may not. DMC3 is where the real DMC starts though.
DMC1 is Resident Evil with swords. It's still a very fun game and honestly it has the best music, atmosphere, and bosses in the series.
>>332949569
And you feel great acomplishment when you finally defeat a boss
>>332948369
DMC1 is brain dead easy outside of combat.
>>332949569
I disagree in regards to the bosses and music. DMC2s soundtrack is underrated and 3 and 4 have better bosses. The only thing 1 really has over the other titles is the atmosphere.
I like the "weight" DMC1 combat has.
I wish they kept that in the new games.
>>332949569
if you made the "get this unique key to open this unique door" more non-linear, it would be basically everything I want in a 3D castlevania.
>>332951019
Fuck bosses in 3 and 4. Those were the worst parts of the game. 4 had two good bosses which were the giant flame guy and Credo. 3 had Agni and Rudra. The only bad boss in DMC1 was that giant bird on the pirate ship. To this day I still have no clue how to properly fight it.
>>332951469
DmC has amazing bosses.
>>332951469
Nah, the bosses in 4 were good outside of the pope and 3s only problem bosses were leviathans heart and gigapede which wasn't THAT bad. It sounds like you're just a casual. There was a lot of experimentation and room to mess around with them which made the fights a lot of fun to replay.
>>332951469
>Fuck bosses in 3 and 4. Those were the worst parts of the game
Fucking kek
DMC3 and 4 both have some of the greatest bosses in vidya, with a few exceptions.
Nothing has come close to the Vergil fights yet, except for Angelo Credo and Dante in 4.Aside from the rival fights in Platinum's games.
>>332951620
Holy fuck
>>332951818
The bosses in 3 and 4 suck balls, they're the worst parts of those games, even the rivals.
>>332948638
>dont touch DmC
Why? People just seem to over hate this game. It's combat system and physics are way better than 3's. The addition to a gap closer and move variety gave a new depth to the combat, and while the theme isn't quite right it compensates with some pretty good art style.
The things they went wrong with were only the distopic Greenday post apocaliptic fanfic vibes (which of course spread itself all the way to Dante), the linear gameplay (which seems like OP would like anyway), and the dick jokes.
>Error: duplicate file exists here.
I never expected someone to have already made this thread, the chances are low. I'm going to paste what I couldn't post:
I enjoyed Bayonetta a lot, so I thought I would give this game a try, but all it does is make me wish I was playing Bayonetta. I can't get used to how delayed the dodging is after playing Bayonetta, and unless you unlock it later, there doesn't seem to be a way to block or parry. Dante's movements get funny when the fixed camera cuts, and the limited combat options are unsatisfying. It feels to me like the game is too slow and dated for me to try and enjoy, compared to the speed and difficulty of action games today. Please convince me to keep playing, I want to like this game.
>>332952156
You have shit taste anon.
>>332952194
Are you talking specifically about the first game?
I don't like DmC 1 but like everything else, even 2
>>332952336
Yes just the first game, I should edited what I copy pasted a little.
>>332952431
Play it like Resident Evil with swords.
You're playing it with wrong expectations.
>>332952423
>DmC
Fuck I mean DMC
shiiiiit fuck you Tameem
>>332952174
The combat was braindead easy, the characters weren't interesting, the story was dumb as fuck, platforming was okay but I don't play DMC for the fucking platforming. Dontes angel and demon pulls were just shitty versions of Nero's Devil Bringer. The bosses and enemies also weren't fun to fight.
>>332952540
Yeah after reading through the thread, I've seen a lot of my questions were answered. The first game isn't what I thought it was supposed to be, I made an assumption because Dante is the face of it. It looks like I should skip ahead to the third game.
>>332952662
You shouldn't skip it.
It's still a really nice game even if it's a bit "slower" than what you are used to.
You really went into this game with the wrong mindset. You expected some crazy high flying action and got disappointed since everything was mellow and grounded. Just take it slow with DMC1.
>>332952871
Well I should get my moneys worth so I'll try and beat it. Out of interest, what is so bad about the second game? I always see people saying it should be skipped.
>>332953002
>what is so bad about the second game?
>>332953002
Play it to understand.
>>332952174
>It's combat system and physics are way better than 3's
>move variety
>>332948369
2 is actually worse. Much worse.
3 is legit one of the best games ever though. But it sounds to me like that hack n slash games aren't your type. All of them have puzzles and exploration features, except for MGR:R.
>>332951818
and youre obviously another kid who has been lulled into playing shitty games and overpraising them out of ignorance
the only good bossfights in the series that I would hail as anything special are the first nero angelo fight and the second vergil fight, which are coincidentally from the only good DMC games
bosses like Alma awakened from ninja gaiden black or even Ludwig from bloodborne are better in every possible way
Skip to DMC 3. DMC 3 is absolutely fucking amazing and i have a feeling that you'll like it a lot more.
>>332953002
Combat feels weak, too many flying enemies and bosses so you just spam gun, enemies don't really attack, areas are too big so you run around a lot, three variations of one sword and all the same combos, Dante is boring. What am i missing?
>>332953195
If anything you've fallen into /v/s mentality of "If I don't like it, it's shit." and can't appreciate something that goes against your rigid view of what's good.
>comparing Bloodborne to fucking DMC3
Holy shit.
>>332953116
>>332953101
I can't tell if Dante is completely unhindered by taking damage or if the wolves are just completely missing him, either way that's a laugh.
I'll give it a play when I beat 1 anyway and see how bad it is for myself, I must say I'm eager to get to 3 right now. You are right though, the first game is nice in it's own way, now that I realize it was supposed to be more like Resident Evil I'm appreciating it in a new light. It did stick out to me that Dante can comment on so many things, it reminded me of RE.
>>332953537
DMC2 has two discs, one for each character and I'd say don't feel obligated to play Lucias disc if you don't like Dantes.
>>332948369
DMC1 has aged like milk. I'd argue even DMC2 is better from a pure gameplay standpoint if you ignore the fucking helicopter segment.
Just skip to 3 if you want (or try 2 if you're want to, its grimdark as fuck).
But that aside, the puzzles aren't that hard. You're the problem here.
>>332953431
no, ive "fallen" into the mentality of my "opinion" is right because it isnt a fucking opinion, I dont confuse my opinions with actual facts unlike you retarded kids who thinks things are good because you like them
DMC4 is one of the most overrated games ive ever played, and I could write an essay about why its terrible, overpraised trash- but its painfully easy to understand even without that, when the so praised combat system of that game is a less deep version of a fanmade mod for DMC3, and DMC3 wasnt even the deepest, nor the most advanced hack and slash of its time
DMC3 and Bloodborne are in my TOP3 games of all time, and Ludwig has a deeper, bigger moveset than anything in the entire DMC franchise, 3 phases where the third one completely changes the fight, there is actual story and lore behind him, his design is better than anything from DMC visually, and the music isnt made for 12 year old emos that still dont have standards
but feel free to argue instead of pulling your faggy waah its muh OPINION beanie over your retarded face
>>332949278
REKT
Despite what the fanbase tells you, DMC1 isn't that good. It was originally a Resident Evil game and it shows. Jump to DMC3.
>>332953882
Top kek you soulsbabbies are fucking hilarious.
+(you)
>>332954154
You say that like it's a bad thing, I never played RE and i enjoyed DMC1. DMC 1 and 3 are very different games, one is not better than the other.
>>332953882
>my opinion is more than an opinion
>souls games are anything but trash
nice try
I really liked DMC1 aside from the Nightmare fights. Unfortunately, those very fights are why I will never replay the game.
>>332952174
>shilling THIS HARD
>>332954269
pic fucking related, if you dont already know it, youre actually a fucking embarrassing joke
lacking the will to argue and pretending youre too good to do it go hand in hand
>>332954390
cant you read retard? Im not talking about my "Opinions", because unlike you fucking retarded children, i dont need to delude myself about only liking things that are good or only disliking things that are bad
but feel free to actually argue without your memecal le soulse are bad XDDD greentexts
>>332954593
>being THIS upset because people dont buy into your weak shitposting
>>332954593
Souls isn't that hard, the games aren't that good and the series is overrated as all get out.
>>332954561
I forgot about those fights, does anyone know how to best deal damage to that faggot?
>>332948369
Only 3 and 4 are worth playing. 1 was never good with its horrendous camera, underwater levels, recycled bosses, shallow combat and lame Resident Evil esque puzzles.
The only thing good about it is that it has a certain mood/atmosphere that no other DMC has. But I'd prefer CUHRAZY over that any day.
>>332954561
Aren't nightmares easy to beat with the grenade launcher?
>>332949314
>"clunky"
There's that word again.
>>332954751
Reminds me of DMC to be honest.
>1 isn't special.
>2 sucks
>3 is where the real game starts! But yeah the bosses suck ass
>4 is a disappointment but still play it for some stuff
>Let's ignore DmC
A whole series and only one game is considered legitimately good.
>>332952174
>Addition of gap closer
Nigga, if you don't know how to use a Stinger, it's not the game's problem, you're just shitty.
>>332953195
Christ, you have shit taste.
>>332954890
I remember renting and beating DMC1 with my brother. Then we bought DMC2 and were severely disappointed and so we never played any of the others. I just played through DMC3 and 4 two or three years ago and going back to DMC1 is nearly impossible.
>>332954751
coming from someone who has actually beaten every souls game and every DMC game, unlike you, DMC3 and 4 in DMD I can confirm the old hunters is harder than anything in any DMC game except maybe vergil 3 and some of the DMC1 bosses on DMD
>>332955095
go kill yourself, or go back to "argue" into the youtube comment section where 14 year old retarded spics with your fancy buzzwords belong
>>332955212
Let me guess, you put 300 hours into DMC4 just to say it was shit.
>>332948369
I beat the game when I was 6 OP, please get better.
>>332954853
I find that getting eaten by him is actually pretty good, because then you have to face a weaker version of the other bosses, which are easy as hell and you can kill by spamming combos with devil trigger or just aerial raid. Killing these will deal like 25% of nightmares hp, but I think you can only do that once per fight. You usually get some green orbs out of it too.
Other than that, I really have no idea. I guess you just have to be very patient in this fight.
>>332955463
If all else fails i may have to use items.
>>332955287
I put around 300 hours into DMC4/ DMC4SE to learn the game so I can reliably say its overpraised trash by the retarded peacocks and playstation kiddies here that havent played a good game in their life
the order for the series is
DMC3>DMC1>DmCSE=DMC4SE>DMC2
but none of you clowns are even arguing against me, because you neither can, nor are you interested in trying because of the aforementioned reason: you are the clowns of anonymity which continue to live in happy delusions due to simply never been wrenched out of your retarded, contaminating safe space
you actively ruin games by being a retard
>>332955212
man you're always shitposting with the same images.
like some sort of tripnigger avatarfag.
>>332955684
>I put around 300 hours into DMC4/ DMC4SE
Then I know exactly who I'm talking too. The rest of your post can just be disregarded.
>>332952595
The characters were no less interesting than any other in the entire DMC series.
hey lads, I am about to play devil may cry 3 for the first time and it's giving me an option between yellow and gold before I begin
what does that even mean? will it change the color of dantes hair? should I pick yellow or gold?
>>332955764
>durrr ive never been able to refute ur arguments so im not going to try now either XD
well "contributed" to the discussion then, retard
some people are simply too stupid to realize how much they are embarrassing themselves, and its especially easy for a pack of idiots defending their own idiocy to be entwined in a "defense" that doesnt require a single measure of counterarguments or proof to make you feel safe again
you are the shit eater
>>332955985
Gold gives you checkpoints if you die, while yellow forces you to restart the level or use a gold orb.
>>332951469
>The only bad boss in DMC1 was that giant bird on the pirate ship
I only hate that thing if i play on DMD, use Alastor and the guns or Holy Water if you are in trouble.
>>332956217
thanks mate, I'mgoing gold
>>332955985
I'd look this up if I'm wrong but IIRC yellow is where you if you die you can't continue and have to restart the level from the beginning. Gold gives you an option to continue from a point in the level.
>>332955995
whats it like to have such a shit opinion that people can pick yours out of thousands of posters because its this awful?
>>332955985
Go gold the first time and you can choose yellow the next time to show what a big boy you are.
>You can literally miss the Shotgun if you don't look for it
>>332955985
Yellow mode is the original, it means when you die you go back to the start of the mission.
Gold was added in SE and means you go back to the last room when you "continue".
There's also an item called a "Gold Orb" in the game, in Yellow mode it lets you continue like Gold Mode, in Gold Mode it lets you revive and continue the fight you were in.
>>332956423
whats it like to be a retarded meme spewing 14 year old?
>>332956495
Are there any penalties to the score if you die and choose to continue in gold mode?
>>332956559
>being THIS upset because you get called out
get a load of this raging sperg
>>332956471
I was replaying DMC1 last October and couldn't find that fucking weapon so instead of ending the mission I was on I explored the entire fucking castle until I ran into it. It was a lot of fun.
>>332956471
That happened to me when i played in normal for the first timei
Took me a long time beating Nelo.
>>332956613
Yes. Continues and using items (like Gold Orb) give a penalty to your score.
>>332956639
you have a strange definition of fun
![Z0038791[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qrYZWfJ.jpg "Z0038791[1].jpg")
>>332948369
Its okay anon.
This might be more suited for your capabilities.
>>332956624
>heh le doge meme :) u got called out by V already!
did you hear about the hacker 4chan from your big brother earlier this week?
>>332953101
its like DmC 2 was a complete joke to Dante,
compared to the shit he did in dmc1 and 3
>>332956834
>getting upset because people post dogs
So you're a cat nigger on top of that.
Pretty awful. Explains your shit taste though.
>>332956775
I think the castle is DMC1s strongest asset and the fact that it was that expansive and explorable lead me to get a shit ton of red orbs and see parts I don't think I'd have been too if I was just going straight to the end.
>>332956994
he wasnt even trying or talked that much anyway
>>332957028
>>332955768
Except they were. Every major character had a drive that you could relate too, Dante, Nero, Vergil, Trish, etc. were each interesting enough to care about and you wanted to know what happened to them after there respective games. I could not give a shit about the characters in DmC if I tried.
Why do any of these fucking action games even bother with exploration and shit?
I'd love a game that just skipped all that and just gave me arena after arena of fights. Preferably with some cool shit going on in the background or so.
>>332957282
Glad you agree.
Try harder next time.
>>332956624
>Dogeryn Martell.jpg
>>332957384
Probably to not burn the player out. I think MGR is just straight fight after fight though.
>>332948369
Kill yourself you casual fuck
>>332957384
Bayonetta2 is pretty much that.
Very little filler beween battle areas.
But I dont think its bad if you got more stuff inbetween, as long as its handled well.
The way DMC and NG treated the game world was always enjoyable to me, and gave me a change of pace.
>>332957320
>could not give a shit about the characters in DmC if I tried.
story isnt neccessary in DMC / DmC. I skipped almost all the cutscenes.
>>332957557
You're right, but at least the characters in DMC are memorable. The characters in DmC aren't. The game is only remembered because of the shit storm it created, I haven't seen anyone ever bring up how cool Donte was or how Mundus was a decent villian, he isn't even a fun boss fight.
>>332957795
At least they pulled off vergil okay.
>>332957894
Not really. They butchered his character and made clear that Donte was stronger than him until the plot dictated otherwise because they needed a final boss.
>>332957384
You asking for a game of essentially boss fights.
Oh which there are few like that.
>>332957894
It's not April 1st anymore anon you can stop
>>332957795
it's worth watching in spanish.
>>332957469
I feel like cutscenes pretty much give you enough breathing room nowadays. And at least you can skip those, you can't skip the "run through empty rooms" you get in older action games.
>>332957525
>The way DMC and NG treated the game world was always enjoyable to me, and gave me a change of pace.
For me it is really the opposite. Especially in NG, with its bland world, art design and music, everything that wasn't a fight felt incredibly bland and dreadfully boring. Quite sad, cause I quite enjoy the gameplay.
>>332948369
Holy shit I beat the game when I was 10.
You rarely have more than a few directions to go, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out what to do
>Trying to do all S on all level on all difficulties in DMC1
>Stuck in 2 levels
Fuck Nightmare 3 and fuck Mundus
>>332958482
>Stuck in 2 levels on DMD
>>332958375
>all those people who say they beat the game when they were 6 or 10
You don't have proper motor skills developed at that age to do that. Stop.
>>332958735
You most definitely do at the age of 10.
>>332958735
There's plenty games one can finish at roughly those ages.
I can get back into DMC1 easily, my only problems with it are not being able to switch firearms quickly or replay previous missions. And of course the lame diving and rail shooter sequences. Otherwise, I think it holds up alright.
I feel like im the only one who genuinely had fun with DmC
>>332959086
It's okay, there are other people in this thread with shit taste too.
>>332958735
I may even have been 9 at the time.
It's not a very hard game on normal.
Still, it obviously took me much longer than it does nowadays. I just have never been a casual that gives up after a few game overs.
>>332949264
It's the best DMC retard, what are you on
>>332948369
This has to be the worst bait I've seen in a long while.
>>332952194
Maybe stop playing it like Bayonetta and git gud
>>332959086
>being this much of a hipster just to be different
I hope you hate yourself deep down inside.
>>332953195
DMC1 has more combat depth than Bloodborne
>>332959086
It has fun parts, especially in the first half.
The problem with the game is that it's worse than the ones before it in every single way.
It doesn't feel right to support the game, because that's pretty much signaling Capcom that it's okay to go into the worse direction permanently
>>332959086
Easy to the point of boring
>>332948858
I was pretty bored playing 1, but 3 and 4 ended up being some of my favorite games ever.
1 has a lot of good ideas but the gameplay just wasn't where it needed to be to justify the awful levels.
>>332959335
calm your tits girl I was wondering why he would think he's "supposed" to like anything at all
like he's trying to fit in or some shit
>>332952156
They're actually the only good parts.
What the fuck do you enjoy if you don't enjoy the bosses? The level design is typically shit.
>>332959791
Oh, my bad anon
>>332953882
lol
>>332959537
are you retarded? did I say thats not true?
but since you brought it up, youre wrong
the sheer number of weapons and amount of moves to be pulled in BB including the beast and kin modes trump DMC1 easily, and BB isnt even a hack and slash game
also every boss in bloodborne except some shit like the witch of hemwick has more moves than any boss from DMC1 (might as well go on a hunch and say any boss from any DMC game)
how would you know? you havent even played bloodborne retard, meanwhile ive played every entry from both series meticulously except DMC2 which i dropped after completing dantes campaign
>>332960256
>he's still trying
>Reading through DMC1's manual
>Dante calls the Force Edge "Woozy"
What kinda fucking name for a sword is Woozy?
>>332960529
You what? Guess I'll have to look through mine too.
>>332952174
>It's combat system and physics are way better than 3's
Why did you even type all that shit after this? Nobody is going to continue reading after that.
>>332960698
It's on page 7.
>>332952174
>Gap closer
It's called Stinger, it's been there since DMC1.
>>332952174
>The addition to a gap closer
THIS is why no one takes DmCfags seriously.
Not only has DMC always had one with Stinger, but it was one of the first games to ever do it and recognize the importance of one in a 3D melee-focused action game like it.
>>332961535
Well technigally you had links jumping forwardslash in OoT. Didnt have the range, but it was good for that.
>>332961724
>one of the first
Doesn't really contradict what I said, especially since the two are functionally not quite the same and behave differently.
>tfw DMC2 is shit
>tfw DMC2 Dante is the best design
>>332962176
DMC1 has the best design.
>>332948369
FUCKING NEO-/v/ IN FULL FORCE LADIES AND GENTS
THEY CAN'T GIT GUD AT A PS2 GAME.
>>332960256
Bloodborne defense force lol
>the sheer number of weapons and amount of moves to be pulled in BB including the beast and kin modes trump DMC1 easily, and BB isnt even a hack and slash game
Quality > quantity. R1, R2, and the L1 specials got nothing on DMC1's movesets, plus BB is also missing an entire dimension of depth with the lack of jumping
Also, you can get through Bloodborne with just the R1 and O button. Try that in DMC1 and you get your ass handed to you
>also every boss in bloodborne except some shit like the witch of hemwick has more moves than any boss from DMC1 (might as well go on a hunch and say any boss from any DMC game)
I'll just point you to Vergil or Nelo
Also, quality > quantity
>how would you know?
Not playing SSB during SSB nights at my friend's house if you catch my drift
>>332957320
>not mentioning Lady
>>332963380
> you can get through Bloodborne with just the R1 and O button. Try that in DMC1 and you get your ass handed to you
you can get through DMC1 with just the A and Y button
>I'll just point you to Vergil or Nelo
Also, quality > quantity
so the only two bosses I mentioned as examples of good DMC bosses from the entire franchise earlier? However youre a fucking retard if you think boss has big moveset (bloodborne) isnt more important than player has "big" moveset (quotation marks because DMCs are babbys first games moveset wise, play fucking ninja gaiden)
I say again, you literally havent played BB, youre trying to argue back because of a combination of BB being too hard, too oppressive and not mashy enough for you+ having to defend your childhood games that turned out to be babbys first hack and slash right next to MGRR
but durr muh anime vergil!11
>>332957469
MGR had some breathers, like those simple little optional stealth parts or that Dwarf Gecko hacking.
>>332962646
Good taste.
>>332963941
I say again, I literally have played BB
It's not as deep than any DMC game, even the first, except in maybe level design
>>332964148
>except in maybe level design
I hope you dont think any DMC game is deep by any means when ninja gaiden exists
DMC is literally the casual, children friendly hack and slash series
the only reason it gets so much overpraise (like MGRR) is also that its one of the few HnS games on PC (+ being PS2 kiddies childhood)
bloodborne isnt even an action game, I literally originally argued that the boss Ludwig is deeper than any boss from DMC, in every way from aesthetics to the amount of moves it has
there has been zero arguments against that other than "l-le souls games are shit XDD" and that somehow quantity of the moves automatically also means they cant be as good as the 3 moves Vergil 3 spams
>>332964671
Why are you bringing up other games when the original argument was Bloodborne vs DMC lol
What was the easiest boss in any DMC game for you?
For me it was easily Phantom, considering you can defeat him just by spamming jump attacks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDT-u0gUvaU
>>332964842
are you retarded? the original argument was >>332953195
im bringing up "other games" to frame your retarded, uneducated delusions with points of reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zZ7fugWEiE
might as well post something I recorded, show me a DMC fight that is better without resorting to "w-well its better because the player spams jumpcancel for 2 minutes and then taunts"
>>332964917
>He suddenly blocks the jump attacks
DMD surely changes a lot.
The Heart thing on DMC3 was one of the easiest on the series.
>>332954561
>>332954878
>>332954853
Nightmare is the easiest fucking boss in the game not called Phantom, what the fuck.
You literally just dodge its attacks, and when it stops moving, prepare to counter either the side sparks, homing missiles or ice beam, wait out for the energy release and use charged Ifirt hits.
Do it over and over until it's dead.
Only hard part is the final core, just Vortex or Inferno that one.
>>332964671
>this shitflinging between Soulsfags and DMCfags
Ive played through all the DMCs except 2 and I think Souls and especially BB are more fun.
The combat in DMC4 was disappointing as fuck after like 2 hours in. The enemies barely do anything and you can just spam the same OP as fuck moves without anyone stopping you. Then theres the blatantly annoying enemies like Blitzes or those flying ghost things.
Opinions, how do they work.
>>332965105
If dodging attacks then attacking is your standard, I think the very first DMC will suffice your standard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6lM20J73zA
>>332964917
They're all kinda tough to me.
Maybe most of DMC2's bosses I never much issues with them. Perhaps leviathan's heart? Although I still trouble with that.
>>332965576
See, this is why no one will take your opinion seriously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjsuGB3S92Q
>>332965680
>youre just dodging attacks and then attacking!!11
>>332965513
>the side sparks
Spikes, I mean.
There's also the boomerang too I guess.
DMC1 > DMC3 > DMC4
Didn't play the SE for 4 or DE for DmC, but I know vanilla DmC and DMC2 should be disregarded at all times.
>>332965513
>Nightmare
>easiest
>Not Nelo Angelo
Are you playing in Dante Must Die?
>>332966058
Yes.
Nelo 3 was the first DMD boss that forced me to bring out the items.
Fucker and his faggot swords always fuck me up, and charging my fists up would always be too early or too late. It was anightmare
>>332965783
>DUDE COMBOS PROVE A COMBAT SYSTEM TO BE GREAT LMAO
Yeah man, you can have a fuckload of different moves and combo them seamlessly together but that wont make the combat great. Combat implies 2 parties and in DMC the enemies do fucking nothing.
I like both of the series, I even play the Special Edition of DMC4 pretty regurarly to try out some moves on Vergil mostly. I get bored 20 minutes in because the combat is just so braindead easy and non-threatening. The only threat the game has is Blitzes and some bosses, but even both of those can be oneshotted easily
>>332953002
Main game is bait but imo the final boss of 2 is the best in the whole series on harder difficulties (fyt me)
>>332966367
>DUDE COMBAT MECHANICS DOESNT MAKE COMBAT GREAT LMAO
>>332966552
I'm not willing to replay DMC2 to fight you on this point so I guess you win.
>>332966717
Notice how the other poster had an argument under his greentext. Your post seems to be lacking that part. Maybe you pressed the post button too soon.
>>332966717
>combat mechanics
Yeah, in this case it doesnt because those mechanics aren't good enough.
Whats the fucking point in having a fuckload of moves and techniques when the enemies themselves are worthless sacks of meat you can just juggle around willy nilly?
The only really great part about the combat in DMC4 is Credos boss fight and even that is just one boss.
1 is probably the best game in the series, or at least I enjoyed it the most, but the final boss is pretty awful. 2isn't as bad as everyone says, but it's still a marked step down and easily the worst in the series.
Got annoyed with 4 when I realised it would all be backtracking and got pissed off they essentially made half a game and dropped that shit.
>>332959489
>Implying i stated anywhere that i have a need to be different
>>332967093
What about 3?
>>332967041
You didn't play 4 on anything above normal if you think the enemies are lacking. 3 has the problem all across the board plus annoying enemy types. Blitz is fun to fight because it's agressive plus the amount of options you have against it, which is why the series is so popular to begin with.
>>332967093
>but the final boss is pretty awful
This
Mundus himself was a really tough fight, and they made the last fight with him way easier, that makes no sense.
>>332967452
I finished it on DMD and also did all 101 stages of the Bloody Palace.
The fact alone that the enemies literally wont attack you if they're not on your screen (meaning you can just focus on one enemy in a huge pack by only focusing your camera to that direction) makes it piss easy.
The only trouble I had with the playtrough was the platforming sections because the camera is shit and the devs decided to have fixed camera angles, puzzles and platforming in an action game.
>>332967778
Are you seriously advocating that enemies attacking outside of your range of sight is a good thing?
>>332948369
>>332967997
To make the combat actually threatening and tense? Yeah.
There is no actual reason why things like that should even exist, except if your game was centered around autistic combos and people who do nothing else but try to overcomplicate and oversell its frankly easy combat system.
>>332954567
>shilling a 15 year old game
>>332968604
>autistic combos
Meme harder buddy. It doesn't make it "tense" it makes it bullshit artificial difficulty.
DMC 1 Dante had the best design desu, and I do like his VA minus LIIIIIGHT
>>332968840
>enemies are actually competent combatants and actually try to kill you instead of just sitting there
>bullshit artificial difficulty
Why do people think DMC has great combat again? No, really. When questioned, DMC fans only post shitty combo mads that only prove what I've already said - the enemies are non-threatening and blatantly boring.
>>332955582
Heresy
>>332969209
Why do people think Souls games have great combat again? No, really. When questioned, Souls fans only post shitty UGS lock-on strafing videos with the same 3 hit combo.
>>332948369
>I enter a room, kill these sprites, leave the room, enter it again, WOAH HO HO here they are again.
Are you serious? Even old Resident Evil games didn't do this.
>>332953101
no combos
guns were over powered
shitty final boss
demon tanks (r u serious)
>>332970349
not him but because its reactionary and actually forces you to fight against the enemy instead of pulling off "cool" combos on lumbering fighting game dummies
>>332970349
>this deflecting
Epic.
Souls and especially BB have good combat because of the fact that the enemies actually feel like a real, dangerous threat.
Its often more wise to run away from a fight and come back later, in DMC that doesn't happen because you can handle anything the game throws at you right at the start.
>>332965783
How does he cancel out of Nero's Devil Arm grab? like at 3:30?
>>332953195
>bringing up a Souls game
Why. You are either retarded or a fucking troll.
>>332971743
>souls enemies
>threatening
Souls enemies either take no damage because your stats aren't the appropriate level for that area, or get two shotted when your stats hit the arbitrary break point.
The entire combat loop is strafing one way and blocking or maybe rolling when an enemy spins on the spot because of the tracking.
>>332972534
>no damage or two shot
But thats wrong, especially in Bloodborne.
>The entire combat loop is strafing one way and blocking or maybe rolling when an enemy spins on the spot because of the tracking.
Not in Bloodborne, yet again.
>>332972710
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMlq_4HM-lU
??
>>332967093
>but the final boss is pretty awful.
I think phase 2 of the battle against Mundus is great. The obligatory out of place shmup segment and frantic bullet spam finale certainly could have been better, though.
>>332972997
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu0KIPXZxh0
??
>>332973194
But we're talking about how Bloodborne isn't circlestrafe to win senpai
>>332973501
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNt7tC1StBw
you dont even need to circlestrafe in DMC
>>332972997
I dont know about you, but that video had a whole bunch of dodging in it.
Not to mention thats only one enemy.
>>332973650
You're the only one mentioning DMC famalam, still waiting on evidence souls games aren't circlestrafe to win garbage
>>332974197
try playing the games
already said in the thread ive completed every souls and DMC game, DMC3 and 4 on DMD
are the souls games too hard for you so you delude yourself with memetastic shit from /v/?
there isnt a single boss from DMC that is more agressive or deep as Ludwig, Orphan of Kos, Headless bloodletting beast, Loran darkbeast or Manus
the DMC games are literally buttonmasher shit sans DMC1
its as if you opened up a fighting game and limited the AI opponent to 3 moves while you juggle him in the air for a minute straight with the most "deep" character from smash bros whose moveset is still cringe inducing at best against games like ninja gaiden where single weapons have more moves than nero and dante combined
>>332948858
DMC1 is good, but it's rough and dated
DMC2 is bad. Mostly because it's just boring as fuck
DMC3 and 4 are based as fuck
>>332948638
>If you didnt like the first skip the second and play DMC3
No. Even if you DO like the first, you should skip the second and play DMC3.
>>332974753
You seem to think I'm advocating for DMC or something.
My argument is that souls combat is shit, I've played all of the games, they are boring as fuck.
But please continue to be upset, I'm sure DaS3 will be so deep and complex with it's reused assets and unchanged combat from 2009.
>>332975460
>My argument is that souls combat is shit,
your "argument" is that youre a retarded kid who thinks the amount of moves you can pull off in DMC against brainless punching bags makes the combat deep
Ninja gaidens combat is deep when you have easily over 60 tactical options on every weapon that are applicable to different situations and enemies that actually fight back
DMC is you spamming everything from your tiny repertoire against slow pieces of shit that wont and cant fight back
souls combat is by definition better than the autistic target practice of DMC, sans, as i mentioned, DMC1 where the enemies even fight back, because in souls youre forced to fight the enemies instead of "le styling" against them with no care
>>332975275
>skipping the game with best dante
don't do this.
>>332976015
>but DMC
>but ninja gaiden
>autistic
Yes I know these things about DMC and NG, but we're not talking about those games. We're talking about souls games and their circlestrafe to win combat.
>>332976039
I didn't say they should skip DMC4.
>>332976697
He's retarded anon. You'd have a more stimulating conversation with an ant.
>>332953701
Lucia is actually not THAT bad. Its as if it was built for her except for the final boss being shitty.WHAT A BIG FUCKING SUPRISE THERE
>>332976697
>>332977117
scroll backwards then retard without moving the goalposts
let me help >>332953195
it has already been explained why your retarded "circlestrafe" shit isnt even close to true, especially in bloodborne
you might actually be 14
>>332977346
That doesn't explain shit.
>>332977346
Cool, you quoted a post primarily talking about DMC, that also has nothing to do with why or why not souls combat is shit.
You still haven't provided any evidence that souls games are not circlestrafe to win.
>>332977736
>>332977881
fucking idiot
the post doesnt "explain" shit about the combat, it explains to you that we are indeed talking about those games>>332976697 no matter how hard you try to move the goalposts
if either of you literal retards think I care enough to defend "souls combat" to educate underage mememasters about how its not "circlestrafe to win" then youre dead wrong and probably skimmed past every post ive put into the thread to talk about my actual original point and argument, which was about DMC having shitty bosses and using a superior ninja gaiden and souls boss as an example in that original post
go fucking kill yourselves
>>332978187
Anon you're the only one mentioning DMC. I've not moved any goalposts as >>332970349 has been my argument the entire time.
You are unreasonably upset over this.
>>332978187
So you are incapable of both having a solid argument against DMC and having any form of a defense against the fact that souls games are babby easy because you can exploit the existence of movement? And here I thought you had any credibility at all.
>>332978641
>So you are incapable of both having a solid argument against DMC
>>332953882
>>332960256
>>332978632
in other words you jump into the middle of an argument about something which was about DMC and souls, and then youre acting like nobody mentioned DMC and the point is supposed to shift to justifying souls combat to you? are you honestly retarded or somehow autistic which doesnt let you grasp the situation?
feel free to post proof about how "circlestrafing" invalidates souls bosses or feel free to fuck off for good
>>332979215
The very fact that it's a viable strategy against any boss invalidates the entire series. For a series touted as "complex" and "difficult" only to be defeated by simply getting behind the enemy makes the games themselves a joke.
>>332979774
so post proof
if a single dodge roll is required or any other movement than "circlestrafing" then you are outright lying
>actually arguing with souls babbies
>>332980160
Reminds me years back when the souls babbies screamed about Dark Souls being harder than Monster Hunter,needless to say the Monster Hunterfags put them in their place
>>332973194
>Posts an instakill that is possible only on a group of three specific enemies, and only if they combine to do a dangerous move
>>332973650
>Posts some guy abusing super costumes
Anon, given your other replies, are you mentally well? Do you have brain damage?
Because that's the impression you're giving
>>332980581
In terms of difficulty ranking I know these games are different but
>Monster hunter FU>DMC3 Original>Dark Souls 1>Bloodborne>DMC4>DMC1
>>332980985
He does this every DMC thread.
