Why was Dragon Quest never big in the west like Final Fantasy?
>>332929768
Dragon Quest 1 came out too late in the west. Going back to a barebones RPG experience like DQ1 after playing Final Fantasy 1, which had a fully customizable party, just didn't click with westerners.
Lack of marketing and lots of half-assed attempts. Basically the only solid western release was DQ8 and at that point it had already been eclipsed by FF.
no marketting at all
that's fucking it
>>332930013
>>332929996
I remember a lot of marketing for DQ8 though.
>>332930112
that's the thing
the only marketted games were 8 and 9 and they sold about a million
every other game barely got any and that's why Dragon Quest isn't a big thing over here
it doesn't help that SE only localize the games when they feel like it
>>332930112
>the only solid western release was DQ8 and at that point it had already been eclipsed by FF.
>>332930234
I don't think we would have gotten any of the remakes without Nintendo publishing them.
>>332929768
- It was terrible.
- It failed to capture the imagination of more introspective european audiences.
- Square made superior JRPGs during the same time-frame so it wasn't necessary
An all out mediocre series that legitimately deserves it's non-popularity.
>>332930529
then when's DQ Builder's english release?
>>332929768
Not progressive enough.
>>332930678
this pretty much
and the fact that it's exclusive to Nintendo consoles doesn't help it out at all
>>332930234
>sold about a million
>good
>>332930678
Here's your (you).
>>332930813
it didn't have even have a quarter of the budget of nowadays AAA games, so those are pretty good numbers
>>332930685
Right after Monster Joker 3.
>>332930972
I want to believe
>>332929768
If you saw the Final Fantasy XV presentation that happened a few days ago should tell you why.
>>332930930
Tell that to Squeenix.
DQXI is going to be jrpg of the decadeWhen
>>332931123
Final Fantasy XV was obviously designed for japanese teenagers though.
Just take a look at the fucking character design.
>>332929768
FFVII matched up perfectly with 90s angst so it was a hit. Before that, Dragon Warrior was pretty successful in the West. It just got overshadowed as a "little brother" to FF at that point so it couldn't really take off.
>>332929768
>Dragon Quest had to be released as "Dragon Warrior" in the beginning because a random tabletop game shared the same name
>Nintendo of America released Dragon Quest 1 too late in the NES's lifespan
>The Genesis and the SNES were already out by the time Enix took to releasing Dragon Quest 2-4 in the West
>Dragon Quest 5, 6 and the 1-3 remakes weren't released in the West, which was a really bad move considering how fondly SNES JRPGs are remembered today
>Dragon Quest 7 barely looked any different compared to Dragon Quest 6 titles(in fact, it looked uglier in some respects) and it looked primitive compared to the Final Fantasy titles
>Dragon Quest VIII was released under its original name, which may have caused some confusion among older fans, and its localization was handled differently from previous titles
>After Dragon Quest IX and the DS remakes of 4-6 were released, no new Dragon Quest games came out in the West(other than the smartphone ports of 1-3) until Dragon Quest Heroes, about 5 years later
It's not just lack of marketing. The western market (mass market) doesn't like JRPGs, only few of them sell well. They like Action RPGs (Look at Skyrim sales in comparison).
There are many things that we as upmarket (in terms of investment and knowledge of gaming) enjoy that the mass market doesn't, hence companies focus on us which leaves the industry ripe for disruption.
>>332931123
I'd have no problem with FFXV's character design if they weren't afraid of colours other than black
DQ8 is an incredible game
Really hate how the japs switched to portable for IX because the ds sold like hotcakes
>>332929768
Because they're boring games. I honestly don't know why they were such a huge hit in Japan.
DBZ graphics.
>>332931972
Backwards people like backwards games. It's simple.
So when the fuck are 7 and 8 coming out?
>>332931870
This, They botched this shit in the NES days so bad. Releasing the DW games so late hurt them along with only doing the NES versions
>>332932184
Japan has good as fuck taste though.
>>332932248
they pushed 7's date back a bit
I guess we'll get 8 around xmas
>>332931870
>Dragon Quest 5, 6 and the 1-3 remakes weren't released in the West, which was a really bad move considering how fondly SNES JRPGs are remembered today
Oh right this. Shit there was even some magazines talking about this even then.
dragon quest always struck me as something that would appeal more to americans than FF. its funny that it played out how it did. i always loved the standardized battle system of dq and hated ff switching it up constantly
>>332929768
Akira Toriyama
>>332933559
>DBZ
try again
>>332933651
he did the art for this too if it somehow isnt blatantly obvious...
>>332930789
wha?
there are plenty of DQ on sony consoles
>>332933559
I know some people who played it because of Akira Toriyama
>>332933730
he used it as a counterexample you double nigger
I just want to play 8 again in full HD on something that isn't a handheld
I loved that game so much on ps2 and ps2 emulators suck
>>332933730
He knows, he's saying that DBZ was monstrously popular in Jesusland
is it safe to say 11 isnt being localized?
>>332934218
it's about as likely as the localization of Joker 3 or Builders, pick your poison
>>332934218
It'll get localizedeventually
>>332934027
It's getting remade for PS4 in HD.
>The first Dragon Quest released in europe was 8
>>332934437
I rember buying it and getting bored within 10 hours.
I didn't get into the series until the DS remakes.
>>332931870
Basically, yeah. They gave up too fast on DQ in the west because it wasn't immediate massive success like FF.
DQ8 was fun, but I have zero desire to play any of the other games. Seems like nothing but generic fantasy.
>>332934561
Why? It realy hooked me, I remember waking up at night to play it
I didn't realize there were so many DQ haters on /v/.
>>332934594
One reason to play Dragon Quest games is to enjoy cozy generic fantasy though.
Most of them have much deeper character progression than DQ8 too
>>332934672
Got to level up just a little bit more... got to get more gold for that nice looking weapon in that shop.
>>332934672
Probably because I was used to more story heavy and immersive RPGs like FF.
DQ8 felt too simple and generic.
>>332933819
the latest one is on 3ds and wii u
>>332934938
I think many people have been in the same situation.
Dragon Quest just isn't a story focused series, unlike many JRPGs
There wasn't great marketing, and on top of that, the games weren't really appealing to westerners.
FF games appeal to anyone who likes jrpgs, because even if you hate one of the games in the series, you likely enjoyed or love another game in the same series.
Dragon quest games are literally all the same with minor mechanical differences, unlike FF which is vastly different from game to game in one way or another.
Also dragon quest are a little more hard core and mind numbing to play, requiring much more grinding, with a no frills battle system, that up until 8 was entirely in first person with minimal animations.
>>332934437
Technically it was the first Dragon Quest Monsters, but yeah VIII was the first actual game released there.
>>332929947
DQ1 came out before FF1 even in the land of burgers. Phantasy Star, on the other hand, came out 3 years prior in Burgerland.
>first DQ title I play through completely is DQIX
>hey this was nice can't wait for the next one!
Welp.
Should probably get into the remakes.
Because the gameplay is rigid and archaic as fuck
>>332936606
You're casual as fuck
>>332936857
As are most american gamers. That's why we don't like RNG and menu games
>DQV has waifus and is considered the best game in the series
>never have waifus again
get it together enix
>>332937251
PS4 remake soon!
>>332937251
Horii is still butturt about all the Bianca/horse porn.
>>332936379
Why remakes? Aren't you man enough for the real versions?
>>332937506
Can't blame him.
>>332937659
The remakes are better
>>332936606
Your mom's pussy is fucking archaic
>>332937251
8 has waifus.
>People still blaming SE for it rather than just accept the fact that before merger it didn't get global release to begin with
Wew
>>332934572
Nigga FF had the exact same situation where games were skipped and the first FF to actually get released in EU was FF7.
FF7 was the turning point because they got huge marketing from SONY.
>>332938058
>8 has waifu
>in an inferior version
Doesn't count
>>332938210
>muh resolution
It's the best version content wise.
>>332938290
Characters aside, I only hear bad things about the new dungeon being grindfest.
Playing dragon quest 3 for the first time and have a question.
I'm thinking of changing my cleric to a sage once she is at level 24, should I do this or change her into a different class, or just keep her a cleric for longer?
>>332938290
>>It's the best version content wise.
Too bad you can't see any of it in that pixelated mess
>>332938610
you can change her into a Sage, but you need an item to change from any class to a Sage
except when that person's class is a goof off, then you get a free class change to sage
if you need the Mage magic, go for it
>>332938617
try with glasses
>>332938610
If you want to then sure. Sage is useful.
>>332937789
Yeah, for girls who can't handle man games.
>>332929768
>final fantasy
>big in the west
only losers and weebs play it
>>332939003
you should look into that masculine insecurity you have
>>332938610
Sage also gets revive but you'll have to get her to level 24 again so it's not a bad idea.
I think you only get one book for the class change into a Sage though
It was decently known during the NES era, then Enix closed shop in the west for a while and it had no SNES presence, which FF and Squaresoft snagged.
By the time Enix came back with DQ to the west it was way too late into the PSX era, after everyone started only caring about MUH 3D GRAFICS, though the 1,2,3 ports and Monsters were all decently successful on the GBC.
DQ8 was also successful enough, and so were all the titles marketed by Nintendo, which they also did during the NES days.
tl;dr it is marketing, if you bring the games over and market them, people will buy them, just fucking bring them in the first place.
>>332938826
>>332938917
Got a book of zen in the tower of garuna and didn't know if I change her to a soilder her first then to a sage. Thanks.
>>332939037
I've heard people I didn't think even play videogames mention final fantasy, it's pretty popular.
>>332938610
Switch her to sage once she learns Vivify. (or whatever the 50% chance resurrection spell is called in whatever wussy remake you're playing) There's no real advantage to keeping a cleric over a sage. Only downside is that sages level a bit slower.
Unless you want to make somebody else your sage, like a wizard.
>>332931886
JRPGfags are just /a/ babies who need something to mash through inbetween shows. Another casual market.
>>332929768
This is one of the rare exceptions to the rule that "the Japs have shit taste". In this case it is the west that has absolutely garbage taste.
>>332939857
>RPG
>non casual
Not enough cutscenes/emo characters/flashy gameplay
This was pretty much my party in DQ3 (although with some genders switched around.)
It was pretty rough in the beginning but eventually I turned my mage into a Sage, the warrior into a cleric and the monk became a warrior
turned out pretty well.
>>332940184
Souls is a better RPG
>>332940186
It's like you don't even know what you're talking about
>>332940218
Personally I find monks much more useful then warriors, their speed is much more helpful then the defense of a warrior. Monks are a viable class the entire game.
>>332935139
One reason I like it.
Horrible artwork, I still won't play them.
>>332941504
You like Amano better?
>>332938435
I'm guessing you mean the one with all of the bosses. I didn't play through it, but it's got a bunch of copy/paste bosses with buffed stats, so grinding would be a necessity. The other new dungeon isn't a grindfest though, it's pretty normal.
>>332929768
does anyone know where i can save in dragon quest iii besides the king's castle?
>>332929768
There were better games with less grind, more customization, more interesting stories, and the west never got institutionalized into being required to play every DQ game as a matter of Japanese pride.
>>332931870
Really dropped the ball. Dragon Quest V would've been a huge success
>>332941773
Talking to most kings should work.
>>332941571
I don't see why anyone wouldn't.
>>332941227
Monks do also seem to crit more. But warriors do have high attack. I don't think you can go wrong either way.
Making a Warrior into a Monk would be pretty cool.
>>332941894
are they the only ones that save?
>>332942117
For the most part, yeah.
>>332942217
damn cuz i talked to a villiager in the first town and she saved me, i thought there would be more but when i went to the 2nd and 3rd town no save villiager
>>332931972
did you actually complete any of them?
not gonna argue if you say you did.
>>332935139
>>332934938
yet somehow DQV has one of the best JRPG stories of all time.
>>332937506
What did he expect? He could have made that boss anything other than a buff horse man and I guarantee there would have been way less porn.
>>332940218
I'm playing DQ3 now and I've got a Fighter, Mage and Cleric.
Cleric's gettin made into a thief later and Mage is goin cleric then sage but I dunno where to take the fighter.
What should I do with him? Just to warrior?
>>332943706
>what did he expect
It was 1992, bianca didnt get much stuff back then, the problem is that fans have revisited it and gave it a ton of porn later, this almost never happens
Your anime aired during the 90s or earlier? Then enjoy your almost 0 doujins
Also, we WERE supposed to get Dragon Quest VI(as Dragon Warrior V) but Enix America went out of business before they could release it.
>Dragon Warrior seemed to perform well enough on the NES. What was the reasoning behind not localizing Dragon Quest V?
>We localized it. It was ready to be released.
>Just to clarify – which one, Dragon Quest V or VI? There’s an old Enix newsletter scan floating around that mentions that DQV was off the table for technical reasons, so you were looking at DQVI instead for localization as Dragon Warrior 5.
>Yep, likely it was DQ 6 that was fully translated and ready to go as DW 5. If I remember correctly, it would have been too expensive to bring DQ5 over and thus Enix Japan didn’t give permission for localization.
>Dragon Warrior V simply wasn’t finished by the time Enix America had closed. Had nothing to do with the visual quality and everything to do with Enix America not being around to release. As I mentioned, we had the game basically finished and ready to go but we didn’t have the time to cert the title and finish testing. I’ve heard the various rumors that NOA was looking for polygon based games at the time but that was never something I experienced or heard while working at Enix. NOA wanted the game but we weren’t around to release it.
http://gaming.moe/?p=331
>>332943706
Dragon Quest V had an interesting story but it was paced terribly dude.
It was only like 30 hours compared to IV and VI which were 40 and 60 but it still had 17+ years worth of time skips.
If there was more time between when you get free and when you get married then it would've been a lot better, but it was so quick it was nuts.
>>332944228
What
It definitely felt longer than IV
And please don't compare to VI
That game is longer than most jrpg out there
>>332944228
IV was like 25 hours.
>>332944191
What was special about V that would have been too expensive?
Cant be a chip the game looks like crap
>>332929768
Because Dragon Quest has always been part of Japanese Culture whereas Dragon Quest in the west is just another generic JRPG.Monsters is objectively superior to the main series.
>>332944482
DQV took me only 30 hours but IV took me 40. I always saw VI as a good length, I got tons of fun out of that one. I'm comparing it too because I like it more than V.
>>332944494
How? There's at least 5 chapters of dealing with having a low level character going through some dungeon/challenge and then you've got the rest once you all get together.
>>332944551
Could have been a DQI situation where the people in charge of localization wanted to make the game more visually appealing.
Holy shit /v/ I'm playing this game for the first time and it's incredible. Why did no one tell me how awesome this game is? I just assumed it was the most mediocre DQ game going by you guys.
>>332944805
The chapters are all really short, and I never had to grind in except for money in the Torneko chapter and right before the final boss.
>>332945016
>listening to /v/ ever
>>332943727
cleric to a thief is an interesting choice.
you could go mage and straight to sage but your way would definitely make a more ultimate spell caster type
Making a fighter into a warrior would be good for having a speedier warrior with powerful equipment
you could also opt to make the fighter into another spell caster. Since monks are so fast that would be useful it's own right.
or you could make your monk into a thief instead of the cleric to keep having a really speedy character.
>DQVII is delayed again
I've been waiting for this game since 2014...
>>332945094
I chose cleric to thief because my cleric right now has some alright strength and MP, and the thief is physical but gets good MP as well so he could keep healing while still fighting.
Fighter to thief seems pointless with the thief's MP gain being wasted on the fighter not having any spells.
>>332937506
I love that horse porn though
>>332944228
I really didn't feel that way. You do a bunch of stuff like find out Pankraz was searching for the legendary gear and trying to find your mother, find your old pet, reunite Prince Henry with his family.
Only reason you even get married is because your best bro Henry tells you to find a wife. He knows you need to get laid after all the bs you been through.
>>332945062
Really? I had to in the dancer chapter because that boss was rough. I did in a bunch of them too so that I could have good levels for the inevitable meet up.
>>332936606
>rigid
>It's only turnbased which there are still plenty of series doing this.
>>332945320
Those are good points. Either another spellcaster (maybe a mage?) or a warrior would be best then.
>>332945370
It is pretty good, but I'm surprised how such an irrelevant plot point with no sexual innuendo whatsover could generate so much porn.
What is it about Bianca that makes people want to be NTR that badly?
>>332929768
They tried to do dragon quest instead of dragon warrior monster.
>>332932367
7 is still Summer if I recall.
>>332945418
Wasn't there an item to counter his bullshit magic attacks? I don't remember well anymore.
>>332945016
Reminder to create your party before trying to fight the dark knight
And yes is great
>>332934218
Unless that NX version rumor is true and Nintendo wants to jump through hoops to have it be a bundle then most likely no. Its a damn fucking shame because it looks pretty damn good.
>>332934218
3DS version only
>>332945912
The 3DS version will be localized sooner or later, and even if it won't the PS4 version will.
>>332945395
It was really easy to predict what your dad was doing just from the start when you talk some of the guys in the ship/first town.
The time between you getting married and you getting freed felt really short too, the harry bit was average length but finding Saber was so quick it was almost nothing.
I don't think you getting married had much to do with Henry, it just felt so forced that suddenly you can reunite with and marry Bianca in the span of one chapter. Then you do a cave or two and you're home and she gets pregnant and has kids and then bang, kidnapped. One dungeon later you're frozen for SEVEN years.
This timeskip felt so close to the already 10 year one it just felt like a forced reason for the writers to use the kids as party members to be unique. They really should've spaced out the time between those skips more. I liked the bit before the slave timeskip, hanging out with your dad was radical as fuck. I liked when you got freed because it felt like I could now go around and see what's changed and find new places. But then I got railed into this marriage thing and bam, another seven years.
On a separate note I also didn't like the monster taming aspect at all, it felt really pointless. Sure you could tame a new monster and use them but then you've gotta worry about getting them up to par with the rest and meeting their equipment restrictions and outfitting them and it was just a mess. If you actually wanted to tame monsters it felt like having a level 10 join in an RPG when you're all level 25, it was a mess. I would've much preferred having more human companions. But for some reason everyone loves playing pokemon with akira toriyama's designs so I dunno.
>>332945908
>Reminder to create your party before trying to fight the dark knight
I already beat that evil witch who's totally into femdom with that Knight guy and my current party is my Minstrel Hero who wields swords, a female Fisticuffs Martial Artist, a male Priest with spears, and a female Mage who uses wands. How's my team? Also I'm looking for snakeskin currently.
>>332943925
Ranma gets a new doujin from time to time.
I keep hoping in a remake for a proper flood of porn though.
>>332929768
honestly, they have their own culture, we have our own. they embraced that system of games more than we did. I don't know why, most likely nobody knows why, but we don't see things like DQ wants to convey.
I thought one of the reason the DS titles didn't do well was mainly because of piratefags on DS.
Is there any actual source of hori complaining about jami?
>>332946228
Any team is fine for the main game.
Id change your minstrel to any one advance class once you unlock them, you do this via some quests
![cd677840cb[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/o4RYxVB.png "cd677840cb[1].png")
>>332945559
Considering my Hero has p good strength gains with my Valiant personality I got at the start (changed to tomboy now), I'll probably make them a mage of some sort.
I played DQ 1&2's remix before this and the graphic jump is crazy, it's nuts that these games are on the same system. I kinda forgot while playing them that I was playing on a snes so I didn't think much of the graphics for the first two but 3 reminded me yeah, this is the snes.
>>332936857
Dragon Quest is casual as fuck dude. The only games that can be considered hardcore are the first two games.
>>332946309
Exception being super popular series of course.
>>332946083
Better yet I hope said rumored NX version looks like the PS4 version. If not I am going 3DS.
>>332946653
The final stretch of V I remember was decently difficult, I was playing the sfc version though.
>>332946646
I played it on GBC.
>>332945016
People are just butthurt that the story is set up as little vignettes instead of all being one big story. They are shortsighted and don't see how necessary it is to the themes of the game. Every part of the game paints a picture showing both the good and ugly sides of humanity. Mostly, this involves a fear and distrust of others. It plays heavily into the motives of the final boss, and I feel a lot of people don't think about how these themes affected the main character's choice at the end of the game.
DQ overall conveys a message of humanity's power to overcome adversity.
Kinda related
I was watching Joker 3 vids and I was getting pissed at the huge amount of monster recolors that are in the game
Turns out that you can make any monster into any color (in addition to any size) when fusing them.
Could this game be any better
>>332946216
The only monsters you need are Golem and King Cureslime. Other than that I rocked your kids and Sancho then my wife replaced Sancho for the 3rd part. Tuppence was always in the wagon, mostly for him being a pretty cool dude.
>>332932285
The funny thing is you're probably serious.
>>332946982
>I was watching Joker 3 vids and I was getting pissed at the huge amount of monster recolors that are in the game
Yeah I always hated that. At least it made sense in cases like Slime and Metal Slime considering Metal Slime is a much different entity from the normal slime, and Phoenix and Blizzardry because fire and ice. It made no sense to me why in Joker there was Cannibox and Mimic, or Sea Dragon and Abyss Diver.
>Turns out that you can make any monster into any color (in addition to any size) when fusing them.
WHOA WHAT. FUCKING SOLD.Does this also mean I can make one of the sexy demon girl monsters into a giantess as well?
>>332947384
Yep, any monster can be any size.
They dont scale exactly like youd expect tho, for example an augmented to size 4 slime wont be quite as big as a default size 4 monster, it still looks quite big though.
>>332947617
>Size 4
Huh I thought you could only go up to Size 3. I would assume someone like Rhapthorne 2 or Bjorn would be size 4, right?
>>332931870
"Random tabletop game"
hold the fucking phone
it didn't help that the series disappeared beween the nes and PS1
>>332947617
Care to link some examples of this? I always liked the other games, but this game legit looks incredible.
>>332947740
They introduced size 4 monsters in the DQM2 remake
I think Rhapthorne 2 was default size 3, Im not quite sure.
They have changed some defaul sizes, Green dragon is default size 3 in Joker 3
>>332947745
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DragonQuest#History
>>332946982
I used to love dragon quest monster cobis adventure or whatever his name is. I played a more recent one (by recent i mean i played it probably 4ish years ago) and it was shit.
Is whatever you're talking about good and do i have any hope of being able to play it in english.
>>332948430
>I think Rhapthorne 2 was default size 3
Really? That's strange. He was always the largest monster by a huge margin. In fact I think even in Joker 2 he was actually too small (considering he was around the same size as Empyrea in that game and all).
>>332948180
They are all over the place and most people are still playing the story mode (you can only change monster size in the postgame) but here is a fight against a corrupted (yes there are corrupted versions of monsters) size 4 orc, which would normally be size 2
https://youtu.be/tKys_rVHap4?t=1h25m40s
Notice how his portrait only 2 squares are really occupied by his image and the other 2 are just empty red, this indicates its been resized
>>332946228
Minstrel is middling and honestly pretty useless. Since it's your first play through and you probably already invested skill points in Sword, I recommend switching the hero to Warrior.
There's only one more dungeon on that continent to get the train running and then you're fast tracked to another that unlocks the ability to change vocation.
I never use minstrel so what I always do is build the other 3 knowing that they're going to change class at the same time as the hero, so everyone starts even at that point.
>snakeskin
Try the blue dragons that spawn on that continent.
Alchemy is great, but keep in mind at this stage everything you make will be outclassed when you reach the shop two towns later. This will pretty much be the case until you're approaching the end.
It's a considerable grind to get ingredients in this game. It's likely that enemies holding the item won't even drop it. You are absolutely going to want a thief if you want to take advantage of alchemy recipes. The only efficient way to get anything is to use War Cry or similar move to force enemies to skip their turns and then attempt to steal from each one until you get the item or it says they aren't carrying anything, while your warrior and healer mitigate damage.
>>332948671
Which one exactly? If it was Joker 1, then yeah I would agree it's pretty bad. Joker 2 was just okay, not really good nor bad.
>>332948671
>Hope to playing Joker 3 in english
HAHAHAHAHAHASadly not likely, unless Nintendo wants to pitch in for marketing and translation
>>332934218
nintendo may want it for the NX's launch window
>>332937506
cmon the game was begging for it
>>332940218
im going with hero, warrior, fighter, and the cleric just became a sage. probably gona keep this party till the final boss the play around with new characters.
>>332945016
it was one of the most praised games for DS
>>332948671
I loved every joker game so I guess the series isnt for you
>>332948791
But I put points into Litheness already. Did I screw up? Also I guess I can switch my Martial Artist into a Thief at some point. Thieves do have fisticuffs to.
>>332945178
localization of the mobile port when?
>>332948864
I don't remember anon thats the problem. I hated it sold it and forgot it. I just assumed the series was dead and I could stop paying attention to it.
>>332948931
Welp. My favorite genre of games is locked behind a language. Fucking kill me.
>>332949078
Whatever game i played was complete casualized garbage compared to 2. I honestly hope i just was a complete idiot and was playing the wrong game otherwise fuck your shit taste and acceptance of lack of breeding.
>>332949185
Okay maybe this will help; did the character have white hair or black hair?
>>332948946
Maybe, if the gods have it be, it will be in a bundle with the NX version of X.
>>332949379
If by casualized you mean the difficulty of the main game monster games were never difficult you were just younger.
I really never cared about difficulty in these games, its about making your monsters great to compete online and the postgame
But they also made a remake of DQM2 for the 3DS
>>332949379
>lack of breeding
I dont know what game you were playing but it wasnt any DQM
>>332949379
Joker actually had better breeding, actual difference between monsters due to traits and stat caps, and superior battle system. The problem was that the main game itself was fucking awful and terribly boring and short.
>>332929768
is it just me or has the series as a whole become easer? any game up to i think 6 has random encounters that can wipe out at least one party member if you are not careful. but later in the series you star with 25 hp and monsters wont deal any damage about 6 points, they come in smaller groups and wont use sleep or poison. also i liked the class design better in 3
>>332949965
Starting with 4DS grinding stopped being mandatory to beat the games
Which was an improvement honestly
DQ games actually sell very well in the west. The real problem is the lack of advertising.
>>332949965
No not at all. For starters agility was a completely broken stat back then. Secondly enemies and bosses were just plain well more designed and didn't do 1 whole damage to your party because you cast Increase twice. Third class progression actually had an element of strategy involved. Should you level up this skill or this skill? Should you change your class? Things like that.
>also i liked the class design better in 3
How? It was horribly designed. There was absolutely no reason to change class whatsoever other than turning your obligatory mage/priest into a Sage.
>>332949510
>you will never be a cute gladiator dwarf
>>332950575
my bad by class desing i meant the artstyle. but i do see your point on the class system.
>>332949450
>>332949547
>>332949662
>>332949835
Im being completely serious when i say i have the shittiest memory. I have to assign basic values to things to remember them long term and i remember the dqm game i played being bad enough i wanted to remember not playing anymore of them. You could probably convince me at this point im moxing up games and to be honest im hoping thats true as monster breeding/training games are my favorite.
>>332951029
Man I really like the DQ3 hero design.
>>332951214
Look up footage in youtube or something to try and remember dude
>>332950051
Really? I've had to grind in all of them I've played.
I grinded Liquid Metal Slime hard before the final dungeon/boss of 9 and that was still p hard. 5's final boss too, holy fuck.
>>332951459
Then you kinda suck.
Though I agree final bosses can still be overwhelming if you get to them under level 40 (which I manage to reach everytime in the newer games with no grinding at all)
>>332951459
>"(Boss) expelled frigid a wave of ice!"
>>332951705
Hey frick you dude.
You're saying you never once grinded to get experience? Not even money to afford new equipment?
>>332952053
When I grindI do it for fun
>>332952167
I do too frankly but if I didn't grind I would've gotten my shit smashed a lot more.
Dragon Quest had some of the best advertisement in the West.
Like this gem for example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7KwJzPEY10
>>332949090
the skills you get with litheness just aren't that great when you compare them to anything else.
Honestly, you could just start over and plow your way to where you're at pretty quickly if you really care. Not sure how many skill points you blew, but you can easily make it back if you don't care about having an absolute min-max.
Also, once you get a weapon skill up to 100 the class restriction is irrelevant. My best run, my hero was martial artist and used both Fisticuffs and Boomerang as the situation demanded. (Switching weapons doesn't use a turn)
The fact is if you want skill points you will need to cross-train regardless. Especially in vocations the character isn't even going to use, once you find areas with metal monsters you can get the first 20 levels worth of free skill points and never touch that vocation again.
Also, every skill that says Natural Stat +XX carries over when you switch. Cross-training Martial Artist and Thief is definitely a good choice. The problem with litheness is that the skills just don't pay out for the investment. Most of Thief's are field skills, but Half-Inch alone is great and you can just stop there if you want. You do still get +60 in both agility and deftness for maxing it out which makes it worth it compared to Litheness' 30 charm, 30 magic might and 30 magic mending. Only your dedicated casters need the latter two.
Also, my biggest advice as far as the actual strategies is not to depend too much on Psych Up in late game. It's definitely a worthwhile tool, but the last few dungeons and onward into post game you will constantly meet bosses and enemies that can remove all your buffs and tension any turn they want to. After that, I would just make sure none of your characters use the same weapon class. Later you can do a quest to unlock a scroll that lets whoever carries it use the weapon class' ultimate move, but you can only get one of each.
Because its way to generic for the west.
We alredy have WRPGs to fill the generic fantasy setting theme.
So if we ever get Dragon Quest Monsters Joker 3, what team are you planning on getting. I myself am going to have a harem of sexy demon girls.
>>332929768
Shit art I suppose.
>>332951459
it depends a lot on your party/strategy first time going thru 3 i got a mage instead of a fighter. which sucks since you dont really need magic that early in the game and mages are pretty weak. this time with fighter instead the game runs silk smooth. i havent played 9 in a while but if remember right you can get the paladin and gladiator class way before the final boss it would be silly not to use them as soon as you can imo.
>>332952761
I only have 5 points in Litheness thankfully. Is it worth it at all to level up just once more maybe? Also I'm 7 hours in the game so like hell I'm gonna start over because of that.
I'm 20 hours into VI. Is the swordsman named Terry the same Terry from Dragon Quest Monsters?
>>332953253
Yes.
>>332929768
Final Fantasy takes advantage of animu weeaboo faggotry whereas the DQ series are more like straight fairy tales.
>>332953253
Yes
>I posted music from Dragon Quest VII in a vocaroo thread the other day and nobody recognized it
fucking casuals
does anyone know of DQMJ3 has been uploaded yet?
>>332953159
I've got a mage in my party now in 3 and they might not have much health but those buffs and attack spells do nice fuckin damage man, whatchu sayin?
>>332952627
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sL2bKJZuic
victoriaaaaa!
Canonically who's more powerful Estark or Nokturnus?
Please tell me someone else has played スライムもりもり3. I can never fucking find people to talk about it with.
>>332952761
Oh yeah I have another question. When you class change do you keep all of your skill points? For example if you have like 50 skill points in one class and never bothered to raise and skills, would it transfer over to another class?
>>332953476
Nokturnus.
But primal estark shits over both of them
>>332953317
>>332953345
neat
>tfw dragon quest spinoffs never coming to the rest of the world
Monsters was released before 3DS poekemon titles and it's still not here....
>>332952627
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNWeWMhNRXA
>>332953664
I want to, but I can't read nipplenese
Manlets when will they ever learn?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfhxkBCuwHA
>>332954002
>彼は日本語分からない
wwwwww
>>332953901
Oh god thats fucking funny
Is that Heroes game on PS4 good? Never played DQ. The graphics look a bit shut. Is it similar to witch and the hundred knight?
>>332954395
Its not very good. Id only recommend it to DQ fans
>>332929768
boring as shit
>>332953664
you ever get to play it against a friend or something? That was the greatest thing on car rides withy siblings
>>332954584
well I mean the DS one, Rocket Slime
>>332953664
I played it but got stuck, had no idea where to go next and stopped. I really should pick it up again.
I hope they make a sequel with planes and that it has online play
>>332954584
Unfortunately, I'm the only person I know IRL that imports shit.
>>332954395
Its a musou game, and not only that its for DQ fans. If you never played a DQ game don't play it, its not for you.
>>332954708
Where'd you get stuck? The map on the bottom screen always has a marker for where to go next.
Have you fucking played a DQ game?
Combat is piss boring. Story is the same shit over and over again. Games are slow as fuck. Japs only love this series because they're masochists.
>>332954395
i was pretty fun, way better than hyrule warriors and Dynasty warriors since missions are more like a tower defense. The Sengoku basara games are better and fuck capcom for not localizing 4
>>332954908
I forgot but Im pretty sure the map stopped giving me directions.
>>332954935
>tower defense
This is literally why people hate DQ Heroes and people love Hyrule Warriors. Tower defense is shit all times in every game.
>>332955079
What orb were you on?
Was it after you got the top 3 portions of the map, and you're allowed to actually explore?
>>332953246
http://www.woodus.com/den/games/dq9ds/skills.php if you want to plan ahead I recommend checking out this site. They have a pretty complete database of all the recipes, items, skills, and spells that the classes learn.
If you're seven hours in and didn't get back to the observatory yet, you might want to reconsider your priorities. I know how it is because the game heavily rewards grinding and encourages it, but you really shouldn't worry about all that at least until after you learn Zoom and get to alltrades abbey. Majority of quests are pretty worthless if that's something you've been wasting a lot of time on, too.
You might as well, but the skill you get at 10 isn't really worth it. You shouldn't want your character at red health regardless.
>>332953789
yes, that's what I was getting at with "free skill points"
Every job levels separately for the character starting at level 1 so there's no reason not to grind extraneous vocations to the build for easy points if you were already going to grind. For reference, getting to level 20 gets you 38 free skill points. You can grind to that level really fast mid-game with metal slime enemies. I can't imagine how you would afford more than about 150 skill points without doing this otherwise. levels 50 to 100 you only get 2 skill points at a time. 200 for max level, and you have 150 at level 62(moderately high level for endgame) just to get an idea for how much the returns diminish.
>>332954921
From my perspective, it's a specific formula that works really well and the stories are nice little fairy tales. I haven't liked their attempts to fuck up the formula recently.
I'll take it over the waifish faggots running around talking about their feelings in any given Final Fantasy game.
>>332954908
I popped it up again.
I have 5/7 orbs, ply time 12 hours
Started the game, went up and got greeted by a cutscene
So I guess I wasnt stuck at all I misremembered.
Well I know what Im doing tonight
>>332955273
m8 it's easy to defend just leave a golem and go kill the black holes.
People like HW besides being the worst warriors type game in ages because of the zelda name
>>332937506
I hear this story all the time- is there a source of Horii, like an interview or something, where he says or implies this?
>>332954921
the spinoffs tho
>>332930685
Never. Builder's isn't on a nintendo platform for SE to be cheap with.
>>332955446
HW is more fun than any musou game to come out in a while. Not just because of Zelda.
>>332955526
Yeah, it was in some obscure site though, it was an interview done in Japan that some guy translated
>>332955575
not really Sengoku basara has way better and a more varied cast, the regular dynasty warrior also have better maps and comboes, even DQH has better skills and stage objectives.
HW is only praised because it came on a console with little games and has the zelda name behind it.
>>332954935
>>332955446
that's literally the biggest fault of the game.
What painfully little depth and challenge that you can get in a musou game comes from being in the right location at the right time to influence the direction of the battle. You can still lose by failing objectives like your army getting BTFO and losing strategic locations that you needed to keep because you were somewhere else.
>m8 it's easy to defend just leave a golem and go kill the black holes.
It should be a major red flag when you can sum up how to completely beat the game's objectives in one sentence like that. When you take those away all you have is "don't die" which won't even happen because you have 3 more party members to switch to.
The game is literally just musou dumbed down even further. This is very deliberate, Square knows their market. Every person in Japan buys dragon quest even if they don't play other games. Regrettably, Japanese casuals are somehow even worse at games than those in the west. The game needed to be accessible to the very large number of fans who can't handle anything more intensive than a turn based RPG. Why do you think the default option is a single button simplified control scheme when musou already uses a simplified dial-a-combo system?
>>332955336
I mostly spent so long mostly because I looked in literally every single nook and cranny talking to every single NPC. Also thanks for replying to my other reply. I have bad reading comprehension.
>>332956374
They said Heroes 2 was going to have big improvements
>>332953790
Hirudegarn?
>>332956672
I fucking hope so, also they better add in more characters. By more I mean all of them. It would not be that huge of a cast.
>>332956374
This was my favorite musou game, for those reasons listed. I've been told by fans of the main games that I probably like it due to the departures it makes from typical musou games.
To be honest, having played a few Dynasty Warriors games, it's not much more mindless. But that's coming from someone who's not to big into DW.
>>332956829
http://gematsu.com/2016/03/dragon-quest-heroes-ii-details-class-changes-ability-acquisition-multiplayer-more
Im getting it for the online multiplayer alone
>>332956752
Pretty sure Estark came out first. Its one of those times where DQ actually influenced things for DBZ.
>>332957126
http://gematsu.com/2016/02/dragon-quest-heroes-ii-details-town-fields
Also there is an overworld now it seems, not just teleport to mission
does dq8 emulates well? or should I torture mself and play my ps2 copy on a hdtvor pirate le android port?
