Why is this game praised so highly? I'm playing through the SNES "Final Fantasy 3" US version.
The writing is awful, it feels like an RPGmaker game, the art in general is bad, the pacing is bad, like what the fuck?
Final Fantasy Tactics is 10000000x better in just about every regard but it's not as popular. Why?
Am I missing something?
>>332720413
because you were born in the year 2000.
>Am I missing something?
Good taste, for one.
>>332720540
>>332720557
No, tell me right now why this game is good. Those aren't valid retorts at all.
Is it because the US SNES version has a shitty translation or what?
Final Fantasy Tactics was 10/10 compared to this trash.
>>332720649
I told you already, you were born in the year 2000.
>>332720413
i feel the exact same way senpai...and i was born in '89 not 2000..im convinced it's some elaborate hoax or something
>>332720649
>s it because the US SNES version has a shitty translation or what?
I bet you think this because it doesn't use any curse words you son of a submariner.
>>332720649
You can't honestly expect to come to /v/ and get actual reasons behind opinions, right?
play final fantasy 6, not final fantasy 3.
>playing the US version
well there's your problem.
>>332720783
>It doesn't use any curse words.
No, here's an example:
>At the start, the rebels want to capture the enslaved girl because she's a commander.
>The old man who helped the girl out knows she was under a "slave crown"
>Instead of articulating to the fellow rebels that she was enslaved, he instead tells her to just escape.
This is terrible fucking writing, no logic went into the old man's thought.
>>332720413
wow super edgy faggot. let me tell you, you're fucking gay.
Play the GBA version. You're playing a game from 21 years ago and complaining that the "art is bad"? I think the pacing is just fine, too. What part are you even up to?
>>332721037
fuck try to play Tales of Zestiria you will cringe hardcore
>There are people who seriously disagree with OP
I didn't know there were so many plebeians who actually think FF6 is better than FFT
>>332720413
>writing is awful
The fuck? The writing was fine for a localization. Ted Woosley is the one that actually made effort to translate the game into something Westerners could understand.
>art in general is bad
It's Amano. How is that bad?
>pacing is bad
No it wasn't.
Do you actually have any actual substantial reasons besides OPINIONS?
>FFT not as popular
>Shit cameras
>Slow paced story that goes 180 all the sudden with MUH ZODIACS!!!
>Completely forgotten characters after their little arc
>Orlandu cheese
>Terrible characters in comparison to FFVI
What?
>>332721142
FF6's art is inconsistent as fuck. The party members look like they're in a completely different art style from the enemies.
Yes, compared to other SNES games, this is shitty art.
>>332721037
>At the start, the rebels want to capture the enslaved girl because she's a commander.
What? This isn't even true at all. Do you know how to even read?
>The old man who helped the girl out knows she was under a "slave crown"
And?
>Instead of articulating to the fellow rebels that she was enslaved, he instead tells her to just escape.
Hahahahhahahaah holy shit you stupid dumb nigger. You have ZERO ability in reading comprehension. HAHHAHAHAHAH HOLY FUCK YOU'RE DUMB AS ROCKS
You truly were born in the year 2000/
>>332720413
>Why is this game praised so highly?
Because it's good
>The writing is awful
>I'm playing through the SNES "Final Fantasy 3" US version.
There's your problem. The original translation suffered from localization issues that were prevalent in all japanese games being imported and translated at the time (with references to sex and alcohol removed or softened for American sensibilities), and with more family friendly language. Technically, there has never been a definitive translation of VI.
>it feels like an RPGmaker game
it was made before RPGmaker and much of RPGmaker is designed to generate sprite based RPG's like Final Fantasy VI, you can even use the palettes in RPG maker from classic SNES games like FFVI. If it feels like an RPGmaker game, it's because RPGmaker was designed to churn out clones of such SNES RPG's like VI and IV
>the art in general is bad
You are a confirmed pleb if you think the sprite art in FFVI is bad. The game is hailed itself as a pinnacle of sprite art of the 16 bit era. You obviously weren't born before this game even came out.
>the pacing is bad
It really isn't. You're probably just confused because there's no single main character as the developers designed the game without a single, central main character on purpose. Terra is the closest to that because she ties all the characters together, but she isn't technically the main character of the game, more of the central plot device whom like every other character has her own individual arc.
>Final Fantasy Tactics is 10000000x better in just about every regard but it's not as popular. Why?
I wasn't aware this was a competition between Tactics and VI (both are two of my top favorites of the entire series), but the reason Tactics isn't as popular is because it was never really advertised like Final Fantasy VII and it was a tactical RPG. It was also a side game that was churned out pretty fast by the developers of Tactic Ogre.
>>332721449
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGNskqYu2_0#t=24m30s
This is exactly how it went down in the original translation.
What lack of reading comprehension are you fucking talking about?
>>332720413
>art is bad
only fucking SNES game that I think was as beautiful as it was RomSaGa 3
eat shit
>>332720413
>I did this with FFX for a week+ straight of shitposting
>FF6 should go just as well!
I guess 4 is next on your list, OP?
>>332721591
its 100 times better than anything you'd see in a museum
>>332721470
>the game is hailed itself as a pinnacle of sprite art of the 16 bit era.
And yet Super Metroid, Terranigma, Chrono Trigger, and Castlevania IV all have far superior art?
>People defending the pacing of a SNES era JRPG
>>332721037
>Instead of articulating to the fellow rebels that she was enslaved, he instead tells her to just escape.
You are seriously stupid. The old man told the girl to escape because the guards at Narshe were coming for her.
Narshe isn't part of the Returners until much later. The Returners are a separate thing. Narshe was neutral at the start of the game and had no interest in fighting the empire or fighting for the empire and disliked the Returners (whom the old man was affiliated with) because they were seen as antagonizing the empire to be more authoritarian by rebelling. The old man was trying to save Terra from being taken by the Narshe guards so that she could be handed over to the Returners, you dumb fuck.
>>332721727
>lists the worst games imaginable
>>332721816
I suppose that's because I haven't gotten that far, but god fucking damn the pacing is just so bad.
>>332720413
>>332721470
Pretty sure Tactics sold more than FF6, what with being on the Playstation and all. The series was obscure underground shit prior to Sony grabbing it.
>>332721897
>Chrono Trigger and Terranigma are worse than FF6
>>332720680
>>332720540
This, basically.
Ff6 is one of the best games every made. You're the kind of person who thinks The hunger games is a better book than grapes of wrath.
FFT is only of the most popular games in the Final Fantasy series ever, why are you even acting like FF6 is way ahead of it in terms of popularity?
>>332720413
You take all of that back mother fucker. This is my favorite game of all time.
>>332721997
haha you grew up to be a fag cos of those games
>>332721897
Looking for this?
>>332722046
I think the Grapes of Wrath is better than the Hunger Games and didn't care much for FFVI.
Or Chrono Trigger for that matter. FFV was better.
>>332721564
>This sorcerer, fried 50 armored soldiers in 3 minutes. What about her?
>Slave Crown robs her of her will
Exactly what are you not understanding? Where in the world is she a commander?
>skip past tritoch
>old man scene
>I removed the crown!
>name Terra
>GIVE US BACK THE GIRL AND THE MAGICTEK ARMOR
>SHES PART OF THE EMPIRE
>Being this stupid that you can't already figure out the following
>Narshe is under empire rule
>Old man is a rebel of the empire
>Those guys want to get her back because she's able to control the armor
>Meet Locke
>WE'RE PART OF THE REBELLION
how fucking idiotic are you? Everything is completely spelled out for you.
>>332721919
If Tactics sold more, it only did so by riding the tail of Final Fantasy VII. But a lot of people disliked Tactics at the beginning because it was a tactical RPG on the one hand and because, at least for English speaking players, the original translation really sucked, making the already complicated story hard to follow, which didn't appeal much to the VII babies
>>332722046
>You're the kind of person who thinks a book for children is better than a highschool level book.
>FFT is a book for children.
>FF6 is a highschool level book
??????
>>332721919
Wrong. FF6 sold 2.620m copies in Japan and 860k abroad, FFT sold 1.360m in Japan and 910k abroad.
>>332722092
im looking fpr yo mommas sweet ass
>>332721414
okay.
>>332721470
This. Fucking love you sir.
>>332722065
but FFT is terrible. TO shits all over it, despite coming out before.
>>332721909
you haven't even made it 1 hour into the game at this point
>>332720413
did you psx tactics or war of the lions?
>>332722165
>FFT sells more than FF6 internationally
And you're proving my point. FF was a niche series outside of Japan during the Nintendo era.
>>332721909
Except all that is made clear in the old man's dialogue with Terra you retard. He says explicitly that he's with the Returners and explains to Terra that he wants to help her. The Narshe guards show up because they want to string Terra up by the throat cause she's an "imperial witch" who's ran through town killing people. You're basically calling the writing shit cause the old man said "Terra, sneak out the back while I distract them" cause he reasonably assumes that the Narshe guards showing up with their attack hounds on a witch hunt aren't going to be easy to persuade that "she wasn't in control of her actions" and wants to give Terra over to the Returners and not them. How you could miss this when my 9 year old self in the 90's could get it is really amazing.
>>332721909
>complains about pacing
>hasn't even met Locke yet
And you had the nerve to criticize the game? Holy fuck go back to the Order 1886. And FFT's pacing is worse than FFVI's
>>332720413
I don't like FFVI but you are complaining about the things it does right and comparing it to a game that's a rebranded Tactics Ogre game instead of other mainline FFs.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>332722389
That's almost assuredly because FFT was released internationally while FF6 only got a North America release.
>>332722498
>rebranded Tactics Ogre
Is tactics ogre easy to emulate?
Without the game having a fit and not working properly.
And it being in a language that matters?
>>332722657
It's made by ex-Quest employees.
>>332722736
Yes, just don't emulate on ZSNES because ZSNES is shit.
I've played Final Fantasy I-VII
VI was the only one I didn't finish. I made it to Kefka blowing up the world, got Terra back in my party and felt no desire to finish the game.
V was my favoriteII had the best OST in spite of it's awkward leveling system https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqCxgB3V2E0
>>332722908
>it's
fuck me, "its"
>>332722623
And FF6 was only released in NA/JP because, again, it was a niche series at the time.
Once again, proving my point.
FFT fanboys are always fucking ridiculous.
>>332722908
You missed one of theworstfinal bosses in the series andthe game collapsing into a pile of broken, zero difficulty shit as you get more party members.
>>332721727
>And yet Super Metroid, Terranigma, Chrono Trigger, and Castlevania IV all have far superior art?
Castlvania IV, fuck no
super metroid, maybe, but I never said the sprite art of VI was better than Super Metroid
Chrono Trigger, again maybe, but Final Fantasy VI came out before Chrono Trigger, which came out late in the SNES' life and much of its art style owes a great deal to Final Fantasy VI's setting the bar so high for its time. If you think Final Fantasy VI's sprite art is bad, I'd love to see what you think of Final Fantasy IV. I would argue that while CT's sprite art is more polished and doesn't have that pesky thing of the enemy sprites being more detailed than the character sprites OP hates, the sprite art itself is far superior thanks to not being just sprite art based on Akira Toriyama but by probably being the only Final Fantasy that tried hard as it could to imitate Yoshitaka Amano's artstyle which blows the fuck out of any Toriyama designs.
>>332722890
Oh I thought tactics ogre was on the fucking playstation.
FFV has all the jobs you could ask for, a good reason to take other classes, a not-stupid plot like IV and the best character death and replacement.
>>332723242
That's a port of the SNES game. There's also a PSP remake that has different mechanics.
>>332723305
I see.
>>332723008
Why did FFT only barely outsell FF6 internationally despite being released in far more regions?
>>332723090
>one of the worst final bosses in the series
I'm not saying Kefka is the best, but that's objectively wrong. Worst boss fight in the series isSephiroth.
>>332722812
yes?
and?
>>332723609
The witch from 8 is worse than Sephiroth and Sephiroth is piece of shit.
>>332721414
That's every final fantasy game.
>im playing this 20 year old game and its awful!
>>332723609
>not Necron
Its like you never played Final Fantasy before. Necron is worse than even Orphan and Vayne.
>>332723687
I never beat 8
>>332723734
Yes, there are good 20 year old games.
>>332720413
Sorry OP, you should have known that VI is the sacred cow of the series and it's only okay to shit on VII and X.
>>332723609
Sephiroth is Kefka with the HP to actually handle an endgame party for more than 20 seconds.
>>332723770
Necron can actually fight back.
>>332723139
nomura > amano
>>332723936
They all can, what's your point?
I don't know OP. The music is quite good as are the sprite animations. I have a lot of fun whenever I pick it up.
You probably just aren't into sprite video games which sucks because there's a lot of good shit you're missing out on.
If I wanted to play FFT should I play War of the Lions?Should I play Ogre Tactics instead?
>>332723247
>best character death
Yes.
>and replacement
No. I don't mind Krile but she isn't anything special.
>>332722908
Dude, FFVI was one of the installments I genuinely did not have a clue about regarding the story. I happened upon this thread and read it because I was curious about the OP's impressions. Why the fuck would you just blatantly say a plotpoint like that without spoiler tags?
>>332724140
game is over 20 years old and its quite clear the OP doesn't give a fuck about the story
>>332723994
I'll take Toriyama's redesigns of Bulma and Goku over anything Nomura cranks out.
>>332724065
I am into sprite videogames, why do people keep strawmanning me so hard whenever I shit on FF6?
>>332724107
It's a loli.
>>332724193
it's clear OP is an autist who can't even bother to play the first 30 minutes completely before complaining about bad pacing. Maybe Sonic would be more up his alley
>>332724025
They really can't.
>>332723247
I'm glad I'm not the only person in this thread that loves FFV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CMTXyExkeI
>>332724193
Why the fuck would I play an RPG if I didn't care about the story are you mad
>>332724193
It doesn't matter that it's 20 years old, obviously not everyone on the planet would have played it yet. I'm just saying that clearly this is a thread based on not knowing what the fuck is going on and even if the OP is a moron it really isn't cool to just haphazardly post about what seems like a huge twist near the end of the game.
>>332724309
Which ,again, I don't mind, her sprites are some of the cutest shit in the franchise but Bartz and Faris are way better as characters.
>>332724298
because your criticisms are vapid and based only on an extremely limited exposure to the game you're criticizing. You also appear to be trying to make it a contest between VI and Tactics for some dumb fucking reason. I take it someone who liked VI insulted Tactics in front of you and you decided "I'm going to play VI and complain about how terrible it is, here I go."
fuck off
>>332724309
that's not an improvement.
>>332724298
Because you're talking shit about the art of the sprites when the sprites are so detailed. I'm not sure how anybody can look at this and call it bad unless they're troll.
>>332724469
I actually played FF6 because I'm bored after not having any games to play so I said "Fuck it this one's a classic I'll try it out"
and then disappointment
>>332724212
they're not redesigns
what do you want honestly? most artists copy/paste the same designs over and over. nothing wrong with it.
What's different in the gba version of the game?
>>332724140
It's a plotpoint that pushes the story forward, but it's hardly shocking since everyone and their mother already knows that the crazy clown character is the big bad. There's other, far more important plot points.
>>332724376
Plenty of people love FFV anon, it's easily my favorite. I just wish some of its fans stopped acting like it shits all over the other games because that's blatantly not true and it makes all FFV fans look like hipster faggots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSsJuyHsv_E
>le greatest jrpg of all time
>last half of the game is a ten-hour fetch quest
>>332724715
you mean like Terra is half-esper?
>>332724518
You're right, that isn't bad.
This is however.
>>332724715
In literally no other FF games does the villain manage to destroy the world. That would have been something that really added to the experience for me. I don't get why you're trying to justify just spelling that shit out. You even had spoiler tags in the same post.
>>332724589
okay, so you're not vindictive, you're just stupid
>>332724814
>FFVI
>I FUCKING HATE LINEAR GAMES I WANT OPEN WORLD
Provides you World of Ruin
>I FUCKING HATE OPEN WORLD GAMES I WANT IT TO BE MORE LINEAR
Provides you World of Balance
Seriously how the hell does anyone hate FFVI?
>>332720413
People didn't give a fuck about FFVI until FFVII hit it big and then contrarians picked out VI as the FF they were going to rally behind.
>>332724910
contrarians, hipsters, etc
>>332724910
Why don't you think about it for more than five seconds?
>>332723936
>Sephiroth is Kefka with the HP to actually handle an endgame party for more than 20 seconds.
Kefka being easier doesn't make him bad. Kefka is more remembered for his design at the end and his being one of the earliest tiered bosses (i'm not sure if he was the first).
>>332724838
>Garland actually manages his Time Loop, you never know which WoL you are that manages to stop it.
>Exdeath manages to merge the three worlds and become a giant tree with the void
>Ultimecia actually achieves Time Compression.
>Vayne actually manages to kill the Old Gods
>Sin has been destroying the world for the past 10 years
>Lightning actually destroys Cocoon and brings everyone to Pulse
A lot of villains achieve their goals in FF.
I'm working my way through FF7 for the first time and I just got to some mountain with a bird and a mako reactor on it. These dudes are telling me I have to play some convoluted minigame to beat Shinra's ass.
Is this worth doing?
>>332725097
>Kefka being easier doesn't make him bad.
Bull fucking shit it doesn't. When a final boss rolls over to one round of an endgame party attacking them despite the game building them up they are garbage and there is nothing you can ever say to convince me that you're right.
>>332725202
Phoenix is useful for taking on the optional bosses but isn't that useful outside of that because VII is a really easy game.
>>332725202
>convoluted
>It's Tower Defense
Where do you think all those knockoffs got it from? And yes, you want the Phoenix Materia.
>>332725097
>>332724662
Music is lower quality and the sprite pallet is a bit brighter and less saturated. There's more items, equipment, summons, and a new dungeon with two new super bosses.
>>332725189
>Lightning is a villainI've never played XIII, is that true?
>>332725226
then stop grinding to level 99 with Ultima, Gem Box, and Gogo Mimic on everyone
>>332725318
Okay, not gonna lie, I didn't read half of what the guy was saying. I just came here to ask.
>>332725423
You don't need to grind to shit on him.
>>332725410
Lightning Returns FFXIII is pretty much Lightning killing everything
>>332725497
you can beat him at level 6 or something, but chances are you still grinded the fuck out of the game to fight him.
>>332725226
I've always remembered the final bosses of Final Fantasy being relatively easy. I can't think of a single FF boss that was harder than Kefka simply because I can't think of one that wasn't easier than Kefka to beat. I remember struggling against hidden bosses and mid-level more than the final bosses in all the "golden age" FF's because I usually grinded before I faced them. And I remember Lavos in CT being harder than any of them. The only reason Sephiroth stands out to me as the worst because in terms of his design, he's a copy of Kefka at the end, with a less impressive boss theme, and a needlessly long cinematic ultimate attack.
>>332720413
>>it feels like an RPGmaker game
>Game RPGmaker stole everything from feels like RPGmaker.
>there will never be another FFT that's not about autistic kids in some faggoty dream world
>>332720413
>The writing is awful, it feels like an RPGmaker game
Stopped reading there. And you're also a fucking stupid troll. First of all VI had the greatest character development of any FF game at it's time. Secondly, the story branch-off's for all characters were executed greatly.
>>332724662
More content and bug fixes but it looks and sounds shittier. You can get the restoration patch to make it look and sound slightly better but it's still GBA at the end of the day so the SNES version shits all over it on that front.
>>332725747
I kind of miss the amount of playable characters in VI.
>>332725654
>I can't think of a single FF boss that was harder than Kefka simply because I can't think of one that wasn't easier than Kefka to beat.
Then you're not thinking very hard. Every final boss older than VI is harder than Kefka because killing them in a single round is far out of reach, let alone killing them in a single action.
>>332725662
Will there even be another one of those?
>>332725662
Tactics Advance and XII ruined Ivalice for everyone.
>>332725639
Not running from random encounters isn't grinding like crazy and even if it was he's still a joke in an LLG because FF6's balance is fucking retarded.
>>332724518
The point is that the majority of what else you see in the game isn't that good.
When in comparison to Chrono Trigger, may not have better, more detailed designs, but the art direction is very close to the same level of quality. What makes it better is that it's level of quality is CONSISTENT throughout the game.
>>332724140
games over 2 decades old. get over it.
>>332726024
what is the illusion of difficulty?
>>332724406
I don't know, why would you?
It's not like there aren't things called dungeon crawlers that have been around since the start of the genre.
>>332726134
CT really isn't that great.
>>332727152
Something completely irrelevant to the discussion? You're pretending that bosses who can stand up to a beating and can kill a party without resorting to setting your party's HP to 1 and then hitting them with an AoE attack is equivalent to one that dies almost instantly.
>>332727295
Why is FF6 better?
What would you call a better JRPG than Chrono Trigger? Why?
>>332720413
I think a big part of it comes down to what was there before it. If you VI to the past Final Fantasies, it had the biggest range of playable characters (14-including the secret characters you could pick up), a ton of different side-stories that explained people, and you got to perform a DAMN OPERA. For a traditional JRPG, it was and still is a game with a compelling story, interesting characters, a unique setting, with fun gameplay, and an unforgettable music track (Terra's theme, the opera, Celes' love song, Kefka's theme, etc.).
That being said, it has flaws just like any other game. Yes, some of the writing is terribly cheesy. Yes, there is a glut of characters. Yes, there are a ton of shit espers.
Like any game, it comes with its pros and its cons. I loved and still love FFVI. However, it hasn't aged well compared to newer games. It's a lot like the first Superman movie with Christopher Reeves. It was groundbreaking for its time. However, it's pretty hard to watch nowadays.
>>332721236
FFT A SHIT!
A SHIT!A SHIT!
>>332727489
arc the lad
>>332726134
>The point is that the majority of what else you see in the game isn't that good.
the quality of the sprite art is no better or worse than Chrono Trigger and even exceeds the level of detail in CT's sprites, you've kind of already admitted this
>When in comparison to Chrono Trigger, may not have better, more detailed designs, but the art direction is very close to the same level of quality. What makes it better is that it's level of quality is CONSISTENT throughout the game.
nobody cares about that.
Complaining about the enemy sprites looking more detailed than the character sprites is beyond retarded as it was a stylistic choice which also served a practical purpose (considering how much memory was on this thing for a catridge) and was no different than what had been done in final Fantasies before it. When we played the goddam game when it first came out, we used to just use our imagination to imagine what the battle might look like if it were an anime or some shit, the enemy sprites being more detailed than the character sprites gave the game a certain charm. I've heard plenty of criticisms of this game, but criticism of the sprite art or criticism of the character sprites being less detailed than the enemy sprites being a legitimate criticism and not just a funny joke? That's a new one.
>>332727516
I wonder if XV will be talked about in the future like you're talking about VI now.
and what we'll have then, if anything.
>>332721812
Earthbound has good pacing in my opinion.
>>332728363
Tales of Phantasia had a good pacing.
FFVI isn't flawless, but OP obviously set out from the very start to find anything he could shit on to dislike the game ASAP. What a faggot.
>>332728462
Lots of people do that with other games, especially FFVII, which many VI fans constantly go out of their way to shit on.
>>332728635
most FFVI fans who disliked VII played FFVI before VII came out.
>>332724910
Memers.
>>332728827
Yes, and?
>>332725662
It will always be remembered for its epic commercial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L65VrvcVNM
The kid who plays Mewt fucking OWNS that role.
>>332728339
Pls no.
>"remember that one hallway that had the repeating boat pictures from the demo!? Right before you fight that token monster from the series and literally just press o to win? "
>"yeah, that was my favorite part! "
>>332729126
>the press O to win meme is still going
>>332720413
Go to /vr/ you fucking idiot. This is the wrong board
>>332727489
Secret of Mana
>>332729097
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d15qmRzn2Pc
you will never hear moogles the same again. i feel its an improvement
>>332720413
Lots of characters, battle system becomes pretty crazy and everyone has a special ability that gives them personality, story is whatever but has a lot of very memorable events and scenes
Probably the most even difficulty curve of any FF, lots of freedom in lategame, decent female protagonists, great soundtrack
FFT was less popular because loading times and not being like FF7
Because FF is a JRPG, and JRPGs are one step up from visual novels, even old ones.
Play a real RPG. No, not today's modern JRPG-inspired shit games, a REAL one.
>>332728339
I dunno, dude. Hopefully, whatever games we have to play in the future are fucking EPIC.
>>332729254
The dude in red looks like he's about to take a glowing dildo to the ass by the pegging enthusiast on the ground...
Play the SaGa series. It's sad that Square prefers Final Fantasy over its cooler younger brother
It's basically FF except open world and extremely non linear. It was often released side by side with the FF series but it seems like people preferred linearity over it, especially in japan
>>332729438
And like it.
>>332729221
>Probably the most even difficulty curve of any FF
Only if you consider a flat line a difficulty curve.
>>332729254
You've never fucking played a real RPG my nigga til you've played Wizardry IV
>>332729717
>most even
>flat line
yes, thats very good anon! good job!
Woolsey is the Nintendo Treehouse of that era. Nobody cried censorship back then and the things they did back then were heinous.
If he did localisations now, he'd be boycotted quick.
Play a fan translation or the GBA one. Woolsey fucked things up
>>332729474
>get the most broken shit in FF6
>is extremely easy to get but you have to avoid using it or else the game becomes a joke
>get the most broken shit in RS1, 3
>takes legitimate effort and knowledge to get to that point, 10 fatestone Saruin and buffed Destroyer will still fuck your asshole raw even with the best possible abilities in the game so that using them doesn't make the game pointless
>>332728185
>nobody cares about the quality of a game/aspect within a game being consistent
Bullshit. FF7 suffers the same problem with the FMV cutscenes contrasting with the blocky in-game character models. It breaks the focus between each art style like it doesn't know what direction to go in, and ends up feeling awkward while playing. The same thing applies here.
Also, it doesn't mean anything if it was a stylistic decision. If the whole point of it was for the player to rely on imagination, then it doesn't make sense that character sprites to have animation that counteracts that instead of being still like the enemy sprites. There's nothing wrong with stylistic choices, but none of that matters if it's executed poorly.
>>332720413
It's mediocre at best.
Congratulations: you've discovered something literally everyone has known for about a decade. Good for you.
>>332721470
>definitive translation
Well, there is the woolsey uncensored patch
>>332729760
Bitch I played Wizardry1 on the goddamn Apple II.
Get on my level, kid.
>>332729895
I always felt SaGa was the smarter of the two games but it never got the same love as FF.
Also the few games that did get released here were completely misunderstood by reviewers trying to play it like a typical Square JRPG
>>332730161
SaGa games are FF light with more grinding
>>332728991
This response also applies to:
>>332728635
>>332722306
>TO shits all over it
TO offers a couple of more strategic mechanics, but the level scaling ruins the pacing and the "job" system is way too rudimentary to actually add any real depth of customization.
Speaking in terms of story/plot: a couple of characters have a bit more complexity in TO, but the overall plot is extremely simple and could be grasped by a child with minimal explanation.
FFT and TO are extremely different. People compare them because of their aesthetics large portions of the dev team overlapped. But anyone who makes this comparison beyond a shallow, superficial level has obviously never played either game for more than a few minutes.
tl;dr You're a fucking moron. Please stop parroting gamefaqs, you're just embarrassing all humans everywhere.
>>332730161
The GB games were actually very well received, the problem was that the west didn't get the SNES SaGa games and instead got SaGa Frontier, which has shitloads of problems compared to the RS games.
>>332730524
The PS2 Romancing Saga got shit on so bad by people who don't know how to play and needed their hand holding
>>332730947
What do you expect from people who were raised on babby tier games like FFVI and VII? They'd have an aneurysm if they had to play a game like Nocturne, let alone a SaGa game which doesn't even run on the same fundamental concepts as most JRPGs.
>>332729179
why is that? it's almost as though people on /v/ are stupid or something.
but that can't be...
>>332729218
I never understood this series until years later. I thought you played as moogles or something, but I knew there was something else to it. ad campaigns were so confusing back then.
>>332730161
SaGa games are fun, but can get frustrating as hell with how learning skills are lolrandumb.
>>332729946
>FF7 suffers the same problem with the FMV cutscenes contrasting with the blocky in-game character models.
That just made the FMV's more awesome to see when they did happen. This is a charm the remake won't have because everything will look "consistent" rather than relying enough on the player's imagination to imagine how the events might look were they all as good looking as the FMV's. Even 8 and 9, which were more consistent by your standards, did this
>It breaks the focus between each art style like it doesn't know what direction to go in, and ends up feeling awkward while playing.
Final Fantasy VI was a huge game for its time, with the development team struggling to fit everything on the space available on the cartridge. If you notice, the enemy sprites don't do a lot of movement, they're more like paintings that nudge forward every now and then to suggest movement. This was not too uncommon in a lot of RPG's back then, where the final fantasy series in general stood out was that unlike other RPG's like Phantasy Star, it had a side view where the character sprites moved in a way that felt like they were alive, instead of something like pic related. And of course the contrast between the character sprites tiny chibi size and the big bad more detailed enemies made the enemies seem a lot more threatening. Any more animation on the enemy sprites though could risk too much memory being used. The only way to have the enemy sprites move more without wasting memory would be to downgrade their quality to something more like what we see in Chrono Trigger or Secret of Mana, but the main reason the sprites were the way they were in those games because they weren't really like the turn based Final Fantasy or the Phantasy Star series, but were more like Legend of Zelda in that they were the ARPG's of their day. Turn based RPG's traditionally had more detailed yet more stationary enemy sprites
>>332720413
FF3 for snes is literally and objectively the best game ever. eat shit
>>332733690
You speak as though I'm not already fully aware of these things.
In terms of working around limitations, it takes more effort and though to balance things out in a way that makes sense. The problem with the "stylistic choice" that FF6 made is that despite it's vision, you could easily dispute it with:
>"Let's make all these detailed, cool looking enemy sprites"
>"Oh wait! Look's like we can't fit as many of those in the game. Let's just half-ass the rest of the sprites we would otherwise make more detailed if we had the option to."
If that really was the case, then they simply didn't do it execute it well enough. A game like Phantasy Star, which you mentioned, does this while still retaining a level of balance and direction with it's style and you can easily see what they were going for.
Also, calling Chrono Trigger an ARPG while comparing it to Zelda is just plain ignorant.
>>332730448
a job system in a game like that doesn't even make sense. might as well just allow you to have any skill on anyone.
Reminder.
>>332722127
That book bored the ever-living piss out of me.
>>332736119
Why does it not make sense?
>>332720413
>Am I missing something?
Being straight.
>>332721470
>Technically, there has never been a definitive translation of VI.
Horseshit, the GBA translation was very well done.
>>332736264
Agreed. Just replayed Chrono Trigger again a few months ago--that game is fucking transcendent holy shit.
When I try to replay FFVI I usually get to the World of Ruin, then it's just "meh, I'm good for now."
>>332735879
>You speak as though I'm not already fully aware of these things.
Whether you're aware of them, you're blatantly ignoring them for the sake of making shallow criticisms that just make you look retarded and petty.
>In terms of working around limitations, it takes more effort and though to balance things out in a way that makes sense.
There's no need for what you call "balance" here. Again, nobody cared about balance when the game came out and most people don't care about this now. You only care because you have some obsessive need for it here and I think it's because you want the game to tell you how to imagine it like most modern games do.
>"Oh wait! Look's like we can't fit as many of those in the game. Let's just half-ass the rest of the sprites we would otherwise make more detailed if we had the option to."
They didn't half ass those sprites though,. Again, that's just the visual style of the game. It was the visual style of Final Fantasy. All the Final Fantasies from 1 to VI did the same exact shit. That was the hallmark look and feel of the games until Final Fantasy VII came out and even Final Fantasy VII continued some of that tradition. Nobody cared back then because that was how Final Fantasy fucking looked. Your complaining about consistency because you're looking at the games through a post-millenial lens that is used to all games having a single visual look at all times. Back then, we didn't care that Terra and the others looked different from the enemy sprites because it didn't fucking matter. We knew how Terra and the others were "supposed" to look thanks to the Amano designed character portraits and thanks to the details of Tetsuya Nomura's enemy battle sprites and thanks to Hideo Manaba's sprite art of the settings, we could also imagine how a more "consistent" portrait of the events happening on the screen might happen in our heads. That was enough for us.
>>332736264
I still love bnoth. Bad comparison though as CT uis far, FAR easier and needs very little grinding; FFVI is less easy to pick up and play.
>>332730296
that's the worst bullshit I ever heard
Before RPG maker, there were games it modeled itself after. FF6 was one of them.
If that alone doesn't speak to its quality, the soundtrack definitely does.
>>332736008
>A game like Phantasy Star, which you mentioned, does this while still retaining a level of balance and direction with it's style and you can easily see what they were going for.
I really think you're over exaggerating the level of inconsistency in the visuals of Final Fantasy VI for the purposes of your argument.
>Also, calling Chrono Trigger an ARPG while comparing it to Zelda is just plain ignorant.
The fact that you can't understand what made Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana and Secret of Evermore distinct from Final Fantasy that you think the comparison is ignorant just shows how ignorant you are. Those games were like the Kingdom Hearts of their time as far as how their gameplay and style was compared to more "serious" and traditional turn based RPG's like PS and FF and they are really the true precursors of the modern RPG experience. The comparison with Zelda is simply saying that like Zelda, there was a more real time action feel to them that necessitated sprites being less detailed to allow for more real time movement and allowing for battles and exploration to happen on the same single map as opposed to what we have in other RPG's where you encounter an enemy and go to a separate screen, where the enemy suddenly looks more detailed and menacing. But again, nobody fucking cared because that was the way Final Fantasy was. I don't think you really understand the visual style of these older Final Fantasies. There is plenty of balance there as the balance is in the contrast, that is stationary detailed sprites who move very little but suggest movement but are juxtaposed by less detailed character sprites that show a lot more movement. Unlike CT, where you clearly see Crono leap and stab the enemy who shows visible signs of being in pain, games like FFVI you have to sort of imagine how that happens but all the elements you need for imagining that clear mental portrait are there for you. And that's what matters most with this kind of game.
>OP and his shit taste
>>332739985
Love the soundtrack. So many different genres, all executed with aplomb
>Uematsu at his finest
FFVI is literally his final form
>>332741034
Nobuo says 6 is his favorite one. The guy really set the bar high for vidya OST with it
>>332720413
it may not have the best gameplay nor character development, but dam it had some hard-hitting moments
>the opera scene
>when you airship breaks
>that creepy as fuck music in the WoR that tries it's best to take all your hope away since the world is destroyed and you don't know if your friends are even alive
>that change in the music when you get the airship and you recover hope
>Locke's backstory scene
>Gau's backstory scene
>Setzer's backstory scene
it may be broken as fuck and only 1/3 of the cast have proper character development, but all of these moments beat aeritz death for me
>>332729882
>Woolsey is the Nintendo Treehouse of that era. Nobody cried censorship back then and the things they did back then were heinous
Well there was no real way to check censorship back then before the internetz
Also, people are too hard on Woolsey. The guy had to put in a load of work to do his translation for FF6, having only like two weeks to do it. And really most of the changes he did in terms of things like sexual content were fairly benign compared to some of the things we're dealing with now with Fire Emblem.
>>332741285
If there's an older FF that I think might deserve a proper remake, it might be 6 just because there's so much in there you can tell went unfinished due to the limitations of the time.
>>332720413
>there are people who like Final Fantasy games
I will never understand this
I've played so many of them and none have ever gone beyond mostly cookie cutter, decent RPGs without much depth
Not bad games, but I have no clue why people still get hyped for these things
>>332720540
>>332722046
This game is 16-bit cenimatic game.
Unskippable cutscenes, pratically unkillable early on, and horrible pacing.
>>332741436
>If there's an older FF that I think might deserve a proper remake, it might be 6 just because there's so much in there you can tell went unfinished due to the limitations of the time.
it's not worth it for 2 reasons
>A- 2D sprites are a big fucking part of the charm it had
>B- current square would turn it into 3D ARPG like they are doing with 7
the second point may not be that bad if it somehow uses the combat with various characters in an imaginative way, but i don't think a remake would be as good as the original
>>332741458
But FFVII the best game evar
Does anyone else get some weird 6 vibes from 15, or is it just me?
There's been a lot of these threads lately for FF6 and 9. Is it the same guy?
>>332742019
It's probably the same guy who was spamming about FFX a couple of weeks ago.
>>332741698
Just you.
>>332741285
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnvZ6Dqv7Ws
>>332741642
If it were up to me, the visual style of a remake would be a mixture of 2D and 3D with the aim of making it look like you're playing on a painting with a "flat" feel.
>>332742150
okay
Music and stuff aside, I always loved how incredibly expressive those little sprites managed to be.
>>332741087
He always considered FF IX's music his magnum opus though.
But imo little in that comes close to the Opera and Dancing Mad in FF VI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMFCM0SKbnY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2f-SeMxpkE
>>332742785
>No Fisherman's Horizon
Look at this plebbit taste.
>>332720413
You have to compare the older games to the ones from Squeenix. Then you get the picture. All the older Squaresoft titles are great, but it's useless comparing them to eachother, when garbage like 13 exists.
>>332743774
>VIII
>>332744016
still better than everything after IX.
>>332742785
Get on with times FFIXfags he already changed his mind on that one
>>332744167
X? XI? XII?
>>332742785
>tfw hearing Dancing Mad live
Was pretty hype, especially the organ solo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMFCM0SKbnY
I bet OP started that FFVII thread. what a faggot
>>332727708
FFT is pretty bad. TRPG's are NOT meant to be isometric, if you like an isometric TRPG you are WRONG
Isometric is BULLSHIT, as far as trpgs go, for arpgs they are great. Diablo 2 is a great game, FFT is shit.
>>332725384
Holy shit, dat art
>>332725226
But what FF final bosses were ever really difficult? Usually the really pain in the ass fights were hidden bosses or sidequest bosses, like Weapons or the final hunts in FFXII (which had the absolute easiest final boss of any FF game, holy shit). Hell, in FFX almost every boss was more of a pain than Sin's forms.
>>332746193
>But what FF final bosses were ever really difficult?
FFI and FFIII-V's were far more difficult than fucking Kefka was, that's for sure.
