>Vanilla was great
BC was Shit
>WotlK was great
Cata was shit
>MoP is the pinnacle of WoW
WoD is pure shit
You know what this means? Legion is destined to be the best WoW expansion
>MoP is the pinnacle of WoW
No it isn't. It is WoD 2.0 and WoW is doomed
>>332417086
>t. started playing wow in mop
>>332417151
Tell me a single MoP flaw.
Brotip you cant.
>>332417086
>BC was Shit
>WotlK was great
>MoP is the pinnacle of WoW
0/10
>>332417086
>>WotlK was great
>>MoP is the pinnacle of WoW
>>332417251
klaxxi were too creepy looking
>>332417251
LFR existed
LFG existed
Dungeons were braindead
Crafting was weak
Scenarios were somehow more faceroll than the dungeons
>>332417251
The story. Timeless Isle. Dinosaur island.
>Vanilla was great
>BC was great
>WotLK was okay
>Cata was shit
>MoP was okay
>WoD was shit
ftfy
>BC was shit
>MoP is the pinnacle of WoW
>>332417251
Pandas
>>332417579
>Timeless isle
>Flaw
wew lad
>>332417559
>its an LFG is bad episode
>>332417579
Dino island was fine nigger, Isle of Thunder was added with it so Dino Island was just a tiny side thing to fuck around with
TImeless was...okay. Censer was a fucking great item but the isle was kinda boring and was just rush around to rares
>>332417251
5.1 and 5.3 were shit
>>332417697
>actually thinking LFG is good.
You started playing WoW when it already existed didn't you ?
>>332417603
>WotLK was okay
Literally defined PvP balance and the competitive arena.
I don't really know about the PvE side because that shit is boring as hell.
But in terms of PvP balance no single expansion has ever come close to the Wrath perfection.
>>332417697
It was fine when it was just a UI that you could enter to see who wanted to run something
Auto-group and teleport killed it
>>332417559
>Crafting was weak
in what way? mop crafting was the best they've done so far.
>farming motes was a casual filter
>recipes that required rep, dungeons, etc was a casual filter
>the shuffle was a casual filter
>hardly any daily cooldown unfun bullshit, but enough to keep people interested
>items people actually needed
>>332417863
>Wrath
>pvp balance
Deathknights say no
>>332417697
>LFG is good
kill yourself please
>>332417863
>Literally defined PvP balance and the competitive arena.
Who cares about that shit lol
>>332417086
>playing wow with a friend after a while mostly arena
>play some nice matches on low rating
>rating goes higher and higher
>now we are only playing against fucking good 24/7 online teams
>enemies are literally laughing at us cause we are so bad
>both of us quit
i really hope legion wil be better
BC killed world-pvp and exploration by introducing flying mounts and limiting the world itself to a continent.
>>332418052
I really hope YOU will be better
WoW is what broke my Dota 2 addiction.
>>332417086
It doesn't mean a shit because that's what you just spewed
Vanilla = cake
TBC = better cake
WotLK= better cake with cherry on top, practically perfect
Cataclysm = what's that? A fucking cake? Let's shit all over it because anybody manages to take a bite !
MoP = We heard you like Asian cuisine so here, have a noodles on top of your shitted up cake
WoD = cake teleports behind time *sssh, nothing personel, fan*
Legion = cake guys were the good guys all along
>>332417947
>deathknights say no
uh, they don't even exist in any arena rating above 2k?
Is this bait or are you talking about Battleground pleb stomping?
If you said, oh but ICC HC trinkets messed with Pvp balance then I might of seen some hint of intelligence.
But you hit me with DK OP? Wow.
>>332417947
>LFG is bad
anon confirmed for never levelling more than one character.
Well, Legion already has more variety with things like mounts. So I guess it already isn't as bad as WoD, but that doesn't mean it won't be shit.
>>332418214
>wrath was perfect
shit taste
>>332418316
>everything should be gutted because im too stupid to level with friends
end yourself
>>332418316
Chad confirmed.
Arena ruined pvp
>>332417697
>Turning the game into a MOBA with a big lobby is a good thing in any universe
A bulletin-style group finder is fine. A button you press that clumps you with randos and teleports you inside the dungeon is where the game became terminal.
>>332418098
I would not say killed. crippled maybe.
It still took a large chunk of time to reach level 60 so it's not as if the old world was empty. Flying mounts where only in Outland and most people still had items to collected and professions to do in the old world.
I fucking hate Shatt and Dalaran tho, mixed faction major cities suck.
HOWEVER Booty Bay and all other vanilla Goblin Cities are the best places in the game, as they are not too big but not too small and goblins are cool.
>>332418395
It wasn't, but nothing else was better so here's your (You)
>>332417251
I only played til the first wing at launch was available and quit, but here
>shitty lore
>shitty pandas
>having to do 25 dailies every fucking day just to get raid-ready gear
>crafting was retarded
>pvp was shit
made me quit, just like i did in cata, just like i did in WoD, just like i'll do in Legion because i'm a dumbass.
>>332418496
TBC and vanilla were both better than Wrath though
>>332418415
>A button you press that clumps you with randos and teleports you inside the dungeon is where the game became terminal.
Actually, they released this feature when WoW was at its peak.
I agree that newer dungeons should not have teleport travel tho.
>>332418504
>wing
LFR kiddo pls
>>332418543
>when wow was at its peak
popular doesnt mean its not cancerous as fuck
LFG is a stain on any MMO and WoW was cancerous for including it
as were all the wrathbabies who love it
>>332418608
Yeah, because i had no motivation to actually raid whatsoever, much because of what i said above in that very post, so i saw what the fuss was about and quit because it bore me to death.
>>332417970
The non-autists.
Take an average PvP player and let him learn the boring boss phases in an hour. He can do the raid now.
Take the average PvE player and he won't grasp arena for months, if ever.
Raiding in MMOs to get non PvP gear is truly one of the saddest things I can think of. Learning a bosses abilities and then rinse repeat forever? No thinking, no adapting. Just screaming on teamspeak at retards who can't grasp the basics that you can?
PvP is literally the savior of most MMOs. WotLK was one of the last MMOs to not treat their PvP players as morons like they do with their raiding autists.
>>332417086
WoW peaked in TBC, if you say anything else you're probably just trying to justify spending thousands of hours playing a shitty MMO.
>>332418195
i really hope that too. some feature to not ascend to higher rating would be cool so you can train more.
>but you could do some skirmish to train your skills
i could if the skirmish mode were not full of season elite gear gladiator faggots
>>332418693
No. If we are going to fly to dungeons and raids, and there is literally nothing that can happen when you fly, we might teleport there aswell.
>>332417251
Chinese theme .
Pandas.
>>332418395
>everything should be gutted
what was gutted for lfg exactly?
what stopped you and your friends walking up to dungeons the old fashioned way?
>>332418712
>I have no interest in actually raiding
>but I was upset that I had to do dailies for my free raid level gear
???
>>332417086
>BC was Shit
>>WotlK was great
Go home kiddo
>>332418410
what and stomping around with better gear in battlegrounds tricked you into thinking you were good at pvp?
Did arena wake you up?
>>332418860
I had an interest in raiding, just not in making 2 hours of my days just to grind 25 dailies to get access to the best gear pre-raid, the vendor one. So with that out of the way, i gave up on raiding because Cata raiding was already extremely tedious for me, but i still stayed and tried the wing, quit because ultimately it didn't interest me after trying it.
>>332418830
Flying is cancer too anon
>>332418851
Any semblance of difficulty was removed for LFG to function. Socialization and realm community was shat all over by LFG
>>332418543
>LFG tab was introduced when the subs were highest
>subs dropped after LFG was introduced
I'm not a fan of correlation, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's not helping. Obviously there are a lot of other things killing the game, but LFG (as it functions) was a completely negative addition.
>>332418768
>i could if the skirmish mode were not full of season elite gear gladiator faggots
Just like there are only payfags in Hearthstone's "casual" mode
Focus on 'muh endgame content' killed the game.
Endgame content is fine when it's not just gear with bigger numbers. When beating a raid doesn't just unlock a harder version of itself, but an entirely new raid, over and over, that's when endgame content is fun.
>>332418973
>I want BiS gear without effort
yea fuck off then
>I used LFR to judge the actual raid
you never raided before if you thought LFR resembled the raid on normal/heroic in any form
>>332418830
That line of thinking is called "pruning the bonsai tree".
When you start taking away imperfections you end up also removing what made it interesting and you're left with a fucking stump.
>>332418768
>look for random player to play some rated arena
>he´s good win 15/20 matches
>suddenly mate says thank you i have my gear and weapon now i can go raiding
>leaves
>mfw
RANKS OF BEST PVE
>WotLK
Uldular, ICC, Naxx, and the best heroics. TOC is the worst raid of all time, but Wrath still had some of the best.
>BC
Sunwell, Black Temple, Gruul. Depending on tastes TK and Serpentshire were also great or average.
>MoP
Siege of Orgrimmar was a great finale raid. Thunder King was also decent. Had some of the best 5 man Heroics.
>Vanilla
Raids were pretty unbalanced. Blizzard didn't know a lot about what they were doing. Most classes were useless for fights. Naxx required 8 tanks for some reason. But if you were part of the elite, BWL, AQ20, and ZG were amazing. MC was 90% trash mobs repeated over and over and took 15 minutes to kill one pack.
>WoD
Still waiting for anything decent.
RANKS OF BEST PVP
>BC
>CATA
>VANILLA
>WOTLK
>MOP
>WoD
>>332417603
THIS is the only right answer
>>332419128
I'd be fine running hard dungeons for the sake of having the BiS pre raid gear, but no, you didn't do that back then, you grinded 25 braindead dailies.
I raided the entirety of TBC and WotLK before any sort of nerf to bosses, all in a timely manner. Cata launched with a shitty premise and bugged raid bosses and faulty content, that ruined the game for me and MoP didn't bring the interest back.
>>332419318
How come people only talk about raids but complain that there's nothing to do but raiding in WoD, and the raids in WoD are the best part of the expansion.
I'm confused, by more content do people mean more raids?
>>332418990
Just like there are only payfags in Hearthstone's "casual" mode
and they be like " Hearthstone is totally not pay to win"
But which expansion was the best to roleplay during?
>>332419318
>Wrath
>best heroics
>rehash naxx was good
stopped reading right there, end yourself Wrathbaby
>>332419318
I think that Blackrock Foundry was one of the best raids in the entire game but is severely underrated because it looked like SoO 2.0
>>332417086
>BC was shit
It had some of the best raids and dungeons in WoW.
>>332419075
This, catch up killed end game and made blizzard have to rush.
The way vanilla and BC did it was fine. You beat the raid and gear up enough to move on to the next one. And if guilds did not make the mark to move up they simply got stuck.
>>332419521
That's almost certainly an issue. The entire expac was Siege of Orgrimmar 2.0; The big raid being a rehash in terms of graphics (and to a lesser extent bosses) probably didn't help. Highmaul was fairly meh.
SoO was a fantastic raid, though.
>>332419409
>you had to grind 25 braindead dailies
because getting that good of gear needs to be at a slow pace. Decent players did MSV in 463 gear from dungeons, you just needed a crutch
>>332417086
>BC bad
>MoP pinnacle of WoW
b8 thread
>>332419521
blackrock was still the best low level dungeon
in vanilla i didn´t even leave till i got to my level cap
>>332417251
Every class is spammy. Still so in WoD.
>>332417251
One
Year
Of
Siege
Of
Orgimmar
>>332419318
>Naxx, and the best heroics
Are you trolling me? Naxx.0 was an abortion, and wrath started the trend of heroics being piss easy facerolls.
>Thunder King was also decent.
Most consider it the best raid of all time, better than ulduar, for a reason bro.
>>332418532
Not sure, I kinda missed the DK(I even have some lore[orignal concept was that you had to sacrifice your 60lv char to get DK] how my Undead Warlock got cucked by his 'horde friends' in northrend so he died, was revived as DK and given choice to return to alliance like when he was alive before W3 especially after seeing what niggers horde truly are, also have fetish for playing undead characters or necromancers), Northrend,Ulduar it still fits the W3 story and brings it at least some closure, however I'm enjoying my time on Nost and perhaps one day even on Corecraft, but past cataclysm is 'just fuck my wow up'
>>332419318
I forgot to put Cata in between MoP and Vanilla. Almost all of the raids were plagued by bugs at launch and required serious nerfs. Firelands was good enough to hold its own, only if you did it on Heroic. Dragon Soul was technically fun, but not end game worthy. End Time, Well of Eternity were some of the best 5 mans.
>>332419487
Ive been playing WoW for 11 years. Help.
>>332418098
>BC killed world-pvp
No, battle grounds did that. Did you even play Vanilla?
>>332419075
Honestly WoW just turned into "race to cap ASAP or no fun allowed"
Since the infrastructure around how the players interacted and navigated the world changed over expansions (lower and lower level mounts, flying mounts on continents, LFG, limiting world PvP) it discouraged players from coordinating and exploring, which turned questing from group objectives into a laundry list to complete to get to the good part. Some may argue that it's always been that way, but it's gotten significantly worse, turning anything that isn't raiding into an absolute soulless slog.
>>332417086
>MoP is the pinnacle of WoW
We've transcended from wrathabbies to MOPbabies. 5 years from now we'll have legionbabies.
>Vanilla was great
>MoP is the pinnacle
>>332420062
>not fighting people outside instances all the damn time
its like you never even played vanilla
WPvP exists whenever people are out in the world in common areas. When everybody is teleporting around or on a flying mount its dead
Timeless Isle, Sunwell Isle, outside Karazhan, all of these were common PvP spots because everybody was there and you couldnt fucking hide
>>332420263
>he was not playing rogue/druid on PvP server
lol
>>332420260
>>332420195
>I did not play MoP
cool story bros, tell me again about how stupid pandas are.
>>332420062
>tarren mill
was really shit but so much fun
>>332420391
>Alliance raiding Blightcaller
>Constantly kill their Healers despite being alone
Thank god for Stealth.
>Can be a priest
>Can be a warrior
>Cannot be a paladin
The only thing that I have against WoW
>vanilla
objectively the best
>BC
objectively amazing
>WotLK
objectively ok, got boring towards the end, gear started looking dumb as fuck with muh grimdark
>cataclysm
objectively SHIT, boring right from the start, gear looked incredibly bad
>MoP
actually a really decent expansion if you don't mind furbait
>WoD
absolutely boring right from the start, time-gated content destroyed any fun you could have with the game, raids were fun
>Legion
mite b cool
>>332419975
>Firelands was good
no it fucking wasnt. Rag was good, firelands was trash
>Beth was gay
>Alysrazor was only fun if you were flying
>Driving the feet guy was literally AIDS
>Baleroc was too easy
>Majordomo was too easy
>Shannox was meh
>>332420643
>Cannot be a paladin
Anon are you tripping right now?
>>332419318
>WotLK
>Uldular, ICC, Naxx,
Rehashed Naxx was horseshit and ICC should never have been limited to 30 tries a fucking week. You should jump off a cliff.
>>332420643
you can be even a trap now
>>332420716
I mean that if a race can be a warrior and a priest, it should be a paladin too.
>>332420839
>Will never get my Troll Paladin who gets his light from da Loasand Hakkar
Feels bad.
>>332420690
this desu
>>332417251
That island that practically gives away free gear.
>>332420690
>wrath
>boring towards the end
and the start
and the middle
anything that wasnt Ulduar really
>>332420926
>Catch up zone that involves actually playing the game with other people, exploring, and world PvP.
Yeah nah, it's OK
>>332420839
Paladins are a highly organized orderat least were until holy cows rolled in. Not any race is advanced enough/has the right mentality to train them. Some races have priests as a form of tribal worship that has little to do with paladins. Blizzard does exactly fuck all to emphasize this though so your point is correct anyway. Fuck these cunts.
>>332420690
>Cata
>Boring from the start
Those first 3 months were fun as shit man. Heroics that took at least an hour or 2 to complete and 3 raids from launch that were fairly challenging.
>>332418208
>heroin is what broke my meth addiction
>>332419521
>Blackrock Foundry
I think it was a great raid but it didn't have much in terms of visual excitement since it took place underground and Blackhand was rather underwhelming.
>>332421084
>exploring
the zone was 15 feet long you fucking retard, you just pulled up a map of the treasures and looted them all
>playing with other people
wut. were you too shit to solo mobs on the Isle? There was ZERO communication with other players, everything was just a zergfest on the rare or worldboss
>World PvP
Ill give you that, the censer needs to come back
>>332418731
>>332421158
Priest channel the light.
Warrior break shit.
Paladins break shit with the light.
So teach a priest to swing a sword or a warrior to pray and you get a pally.
BC was great though and WotLK was just okay.
Blizzard knows exactly what they're doing
>make every class as easy as press 3 buttons
>make healers a wack a mole simulator
>give people free wow accounts attached to their movie ticket
Blizzard is trying to garner a casual audience unfortunately. Legion will be the same as WoD
>>332421474
They already pruned in WoD and didnt go well.
LFG and LFR wouldn't be bad if you still had to talk with the people to overcome the mechanics of the dungeon/raid.
>>332421384
>wut. were you too shit to solo mobs on the Isle?
He means the PvP against other factions and your own with Ordos shit. I never personally went there because the faggot Saudi Arabian multiboxer with 50-60 accounts was always parked there and would kill anyone who set foot at the beach area.
>>332417086
>BC was Shit
>MoP is the pinnacle of WoW
there's literally no sense of community it's basically a 1 player game aside from your weekly raids that you can do in an hour
>>332421181
i'll agree that heroics were really fun at the start, but it just felt really repetitive after we cleared the first tier, even heroic felt pretty stupid.
>>332417086
You forgot
>Vanilla shit teir
Shit was good once ferals and other hybids where no longer pidgeon-holed into one roll
It was fun rolling on agility shit as a druid in front of rogues and taking it home :)
>>332421734
Firstly, that would still completely dismantle the purpose of realms
secondly that could never work, people would refuse to cooperate and groups would go nowhere because VTK is shit
random group making doesnt belong in a multiplayer because everything has to be gutted and dumbed down for it to function
>>332417863
Season 5 Deathknights and Hunters lol.
>>332421084
>exploration post-vanilla
What a joke.
>>332421943
>people would refuse to cooperate
Why? either they cooperate or they don't finish the dungeon.
And of course LFR should be about the whole raid, fuck this wings division, and there should be no LFR tier with LFR drops, it should be normal or heroic or mythic.
>>332421757
he already listed world pvp
either he is shit and needed to group to do mobs or he is trying to stretch things
>>332422269
>why
because the majority of the playerbase licks windows and eats paste in their freetime
>>332420415
pandas are alright, MoP was the prettiest expansion with the coolest setting but it wasn't the height of WoW
>>332422204
>Vanilla
>exploration
apart from glitching your way into the Ironforge airport or into Hyjal, there was fucking nothing interesting to explore
>>332421158
>tauren somehow ruined paladin
>the bullshit lore behind BE paladin didn't
ok lol
>you will never again join a long AV game where alliance has spawned ivus, drop raid, get tag, rejoin raid, kite it all the way back to the stronghold, have garrison commander kill it, drop raid, loot it, and rejoin the raid ever again
feels bad mang
>>332422727
The BE paladin lore wasn't nearly as bad as the eredar paladin fuckery.
>>332422858
Ashran is pretty much the old AV 2.0
>>332423219
pretty sure its not
old AV wasnt just 40 people rushing mid over and over
>>332423281
>old AV wasnt just 40 people rushing mid over and over
>>332417697
I wouldn't mind it as much if there wasn't any cross realm and the dungeons weren't as facerolley. It's far too much of a passive experience. The group finder tool is a perfect middle ground and they should have only kept it at that.
>>332417603
>MoP was okay
Well, your post was *almost* perfect
>>332422683
>Hyjal
Or uninstanced AQ or uninstanced ZG or CoT or that huge barren land between Dun Morogh, Searing Gorge and Stormwind. And then there was a shitload of smaller hidden landmarks like Quel'Thalas or dancing troll village. Vanilla had a fucking amazing world
Vanila<bc<wotl
The only 3 parts that count.
The only reason wow got dull is becouse the main villian got slain.
>>332423696
>Wrath was best
end yourself now
>>332417086
bc was great you fucking moron
so it's more like
>vanilla was great
>tbc was great
>wrath was good
>cata was shit
>mop was ok
>wod was the worst thing since my son
>>332417251
Everything numerical wise was fucking bloated.
Blood DK's at the end had 1 million HP, they had literally more HP than Onyxia40
>>332423281
Yea, old AV was horde getting stuck at the alliance bridge for hours/days until alliance pushed past the center and won instantly.
>>332423753
Nope.
Wrath best.
Deal with it.
>>332423889
Why did they bloat the numbers so much?
Just play FFXIV ARR if you want to experience the TBC WoW era again.
>>332419479
Obviously it was "my father died in war against lich king and i must avenge him" one
>>332423981
Bigger numbers = make the player feel more powerful
>>332423408
Group (and later raid) finder were implemented because the community was legitimately dying. If they kept merging realms, they'd have to admit they were outright lying about their subscription numbers and paid/free transfers were just draining realms of what little community remained.
So they stopped deleting/merging realms and started allowing cross-realm play.
>>332423981
To prevent people from using old sets/weapons/etc
Endgame Cata weapons would be extremely broken, due to the way their damage scaled. Endgame MoP trinkets with % rate CDR would also be BiS, but they heavily nerfed them in order to prevent people from still using them. Even with the stat loss from using them, they were good; in some cases they were still worth using in progression raiding in WoD, at least for Highmaul.
Blizzard introduced too many amenities that only exist due to laziness.
>flying mounts
>LFG tool
>simplifying stats
>dumbing down/homogenizing class abilities
>removing the impact of racials
>flightpaths fucking everywhere
>questing is more like a rollercoaster than questing through a strange new land
And the worst part is we can't even go back
>>332423597
RIP under Stormwind glitch ;___; such good times climbing up behind that unused instance with homies and freaking other people the fuck out.
>>332419318
This list is objectively correct in every regard. Good job Anonymous.
>>332423889
you know, if one operated under the mistaken impression that blizzard was compotent, one could think the teron gorefiend fight was a sort of trailer for deathknights.
>>332424075
i dont remember TBC having a
3 second global cooldown
>>332424291
I expect them to remove levelling one day.
>>332424291
>removing the impact of racials
Well, to be fair, literally the only racial that mattered was will of the foresaken.
>>332417086
>>Vanilla was great
>BC was Shit
Even though I didn't read the rest of your message OP I can definitly tell you that you are wrong.
You're also a major faggot by the way.
>>332424314
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8uwWU_HUJo
>9 years ago
Fuck me.
>>332424291
>And the worst part is we can't even go back
There is thing called Nostalrius, it's for people with nostalgia goggles like you.
>>332417251
the scenarios weren't very fun.
>>332425214
>objectively negative additions
>i-its just nostalgia
end your life blizzcuck
>top tier
wrath, bc
>mid tier
mop, vanilla
>low tier
wod, cata
I've literally played this game since march 05, and am currently logged in waiting for my queue. The most fun I had playing WoW was during Wrath and BC. Vanilla is a lot of nostalgic memories, which were great times, but the gameplay, story and world, greatly improved during BC and Wrath.
Cata managed to shit on all of it. It's not the worse expansion, but that's not saying much, when you're second behind WoD.
Mist was great because it added a lot of nice features, and tried to give the game more casual content, without stepping on the feet of hardcore raiders. I know many of you don't like this, but the devs knew they had to appeal to the casuals, since the poop sock crowd were no longer paying the bills. The story was meh, and the saturday morning cartoon boss was too goofy for me to even care(literally who gave a shit about sha?)
WoD is just shit. They removed a lot of content, gave us less than what we were previously given, and charged an extra $10. My only reason for playing these days is to PvP with friends while waiting for Legion.
tl;dr Game peaked(and declined) during Wrath, but Mist was okay.
>>332425859
>toptier
>wrath
fuck off
>>332425732
>objectively
>>332425859
>they removed a lot of content
funny, everything that was there previously is still there today
what exactly do you mean by "removed" content?
oh you're just meme parroting i see
Vanilla was... great for its time.
BC was amazing.
WotLK was amazing until ulduar. Then, they released this stupid filler content they probably programmed in less than 2 weeks.
ICC was one of their best instances they ever released, the bosses very really, really creative... But they let us do the instance for way too long and they even introduced the pleb 30% buff which made everything easy mode. Ruby was probably make by the T9 team. Piss poor instance.
Cata... Started out pretty strong. Amazing instances. Classes were great as well. But Dragonsoul... ruined everything. Not just because of LFR, but also because the instance was awful. Not even a single boss encounter was fun.
MoP was meh. The bosses were flashy, you can tell that Blizz is finally mastering their script engine... but they aren't very fun.
WOD was awful.
Fite me.
>>332425359
Scenarios were poorly implemented. The way they were used in WoD is good
Yes, there are good things about WoD, levelling and raid mechanics. Also new models i guess
>>332426141
>wrath was amazing until Ulduar
>rehash naxx and faceroll dungeons was amazing
no
In legion, you level your artifact so you can do bounties, farm greater rifts, gain paragon levels and grind endlessly for legendaries.
>>332426125
>everything that was there previously is still there today
Except the entire fucking Azeroth.
plus naxx
>>332424267
I kept my legendary cloak as a healer until we started doing Heroic Highmaul because the stat tradeoff and sockets going away was just too much to get rid of.
>>332426125
-reforging
-item upgrading(which was brought back later as content filler)
-scenarios
-flying(added back end of expansion)
-valor(added at the end)
maybe I shouldn't have said "a lot", but these features were removed. it also launched with less "new" content than the previous expansions. this is not parroting, these are facts.
>>332426316
They weren't really faceroll pre T7. They were a good challenge. Well, not even close to BC's heroics, but fine.
The real problems started to arise after naxx. When player gear got so good that most bosses died in seconds. The major problem with this is that almost every boss has some kind of ability to delay the battle by like 30 seconds every time their HP reaches a certain threshold. Svala used to to the sword ritual thrice before the nerf, I think. And that final boss in Utgarde... Cough at him, and he stuns you for 10 seconds. Cough again, another 10 seconds. Another cough, another 10 seconds...
I don't even mind rehash naxx. Most players never got to see it, let alone clear it. It's a shame they nerfed the shit out of it, though.
Vanilla was amazing
BC was amazing
WOTLK was amazing
Cata was meh
MOP was amazing (post daily funfest)
WoD was shit
Legion looks to be WoD 2.0
>>332426598
>Sold my account after fully heroic raiding in MoP for $425 (1 character)
>friend re-bought me the game, but then I didn't have my AoC/legendary cloak
felt bad man
Then I sold that account for $240~ after partial clearing mythic BRF.
>>332426624
>reforging - removed is good
-still in game
-still in game
-still in game
-still in game
oh gee wow so much has been removed
>>332426563
bonus: naxx is still in game
>>332426624
To be fair, Reforging as a concept is good but the execution is shit when you have things like Mr Robot that can calculate exactly what pieces to reforge just so you can min-max correctly.
>>332426624
>none of these are content
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>BC was shit
>MoP was anything but shit
nice opinions mop babby, if the game ever becomes decent again (doesnt look like it from the feedback) it won't be anything like mop
>there are only 8 high-pop servers left on EU across all languages
6.2 is killing the game
>>332426739
>complaining about dailies
>praising wrath
I smell a dirty fucking casual
Red pill incoming.Artifact talents are just a neutered/choiceless return of talent trees jumbled into the shape of a weapon. The only choices you ever make are which order to unlock everything while leveling but eventually everything will be unlocked. There is no choice present in the artifact talents despite pitiful "Runes" that only add one extra level to some talents. Eventually once everything is unlocked the "Amazing" artifact talents become nothing more than passive base spec kit that is expected of everyone to have much like the passives you gained while leveling in Draenor. Their greatest change in Legion is pure fucking laziness meant to trick people into thinking it's something it's not.
>>332426807
It's almost like you're dealing with ill informed ninnies or something.
>people ITT defending WoD
I thought the blizzdrone meme was a boogeyman /v/ created.
I can understand people liking the game up until Wrath, but to actually defend Cata and Warlords is some next level shit eating.
>>332427342
the most battered of battered azeroths housewives
>>332417086
2006
>Vanilla is great.
2007
>Vanilla is great. BC is awesome.
2009
>Vanilla is awesome. BC is awesome. WOTLK is great.
2010
>Vanilla is awesome. BC is awesome. WOTLK is great. Cataclysm is meh.
2012
>Vanilla is awesome. BC is awesome. WOTLK is great. Cataclysm is shit. Pandas are meh.
2014
>Vanilla is awesome. BC is awesome. WOTLK is great. Cataclysm is shit. Pandas were ok. WOD is meh.
Thats how it all went.
And legion will be shit.
>>332419318
Both BRF and Hellfire Citadel were great raids, the only problems were that BRF was too red and HFC was too green.
>>332427342
I haven't seen anyone here defending WoD Anon. Some pointing out the good things involved in it but no one saying it's not dogshit.
>>332417086
But BC was good and Wrath was shit.
WotLK gave us everything that fucked up WoW for the future and the worst raid of all time.
>>332417840
what?
>>332426807
>opinion
and having features returned later is okay with you? o-okay. I'd rather the new expansion launch with them, but if it didn't bother you to wait for the last patch, that's cool.
>>332427702
>worst raid of all time
ToC? It wasn't that bad, anon
>>332427586
>WoD is meh
WoD is undistilled explosive cat feces.
>>332427889
He might have meant Ruby Band-aid.
>>332427702
WotLK also gave us the best raid though
>>332427342
The first 2-3 weeks of Warlords were good, the raids are solid, everything else is utter shit.
>>332428042But Throne of Thunder was in MoP
>>332427998
oh.. I counted that shit like onyxia. never really saw it as a real raid, just something people could do if they were bored with ICC.
Does this game still have challenging raid content? I wanted to get in back in the day when i was hearing crazy shit about 40 mans but couldn't because parents would let me download anything. I think this was back in 2005. Im assuming all the expansions are obsolete now?
>>332428058
First 2 weeks were sitting in queue and, once you passed through, fighting lags
>>332428201
No. The challenging content starts at Heroic which only serves as pre-gearing for Mythic. And the only challenge is can you rely on 14 other retards to know what to do.
>>332428201
Heroic is usually the casual filter where Mythic is where the real challenging shit happens. If there's one thing Blizz has actually improved on over the years it's the raid encounters they do. Very varied and interesting mechanicssans the taunt on X of course
>>332423889
Blizzard always talk about "fulfilling the fantasy" & they rarely live up to that, but Blood DK's being so OP with a shitton of health actually felt like a Hero Class
I don't even play a DK but i didn't mind them being OP
>>332428378
Had a DK in one of my groups for a Garrosh kill I pugged for the week. He was doing 1.2 Mil DPS in the first phase and 500k the rest of the fight. He was a tank. I'm glad that shit is gone.
>>332427586
The beginning of MoP, the leveling, was great. The dailies/non-raid stuff was meh, so I quit. Throne of Thunder was a great raid, as was Siege of Org. End of MoP dragged on for far too long, but it was a good balance of stuff to do, and Timeless Isle was good.
WoD is shitty, destroyed Community aspects. Highmaul was meh/bad, BRF was okay, but having 30 versions of it, while also being SoO 2.0, was pretty boring. I quit after it, so I can't speak about the next raid tier.
>>332428526
a lot of classes were bursting that high during p1. impressive he was able to hold 500k till the end as a tank, tho.
>>332428526
Oh yes, MoP DKs. I remember doing blood dw dps, damage was pretty good and also I did most heals
>>332428526
Vengeance was OP.
>>332428723
Vengeance really had a thing to do with it. Prot Paladins and Blood DKs were just dps machines while also tanking.
Wotlk, Cata & WOD had too much cut content
Blizzard need to stop with the fucking deadlines
>>332428997
It hit me that MoP felt great because it felt like a complete experience. I don't remember ever thinking "Oh, that was going to be in the game? Damn."
And I'm talking whole *zones* missing, like WoD. I'm looking at you, Tanaan.
>>332417086
As much as I hate WoD's guts
the premade groups thing, and questing was really good (stuff like Bonus Objectives), and HFC was actually a lot of fun for a few months
>Vanilla was fantastic
>BC was amazing
>Wotlk was kinda boring, Ulduar and ICC were alright, mounts were pretty cool
>Cata at the start was okay, but it was pretty shitty, armor looked cool, mounts were okay
>MoP everything looked pretty pleasing, I enjoyed fishing, cooking, and the little farm stuff, mounts were alright, everything else fucking sucked
>WoD awful, nagrand was okay, mounts were acceptable but mostly reskins, everything fucking sucks
>>332417603
Agree but id say WotLK was good because of Ulduar and WoD needs to be bumped down like 6 levels of shit. Cata atleast had SOME good points to it (pre-nerf heroics and arch)
>>332418395
>im too stupid to level with friends
That's all well and good for 10 year olds. For people whom work various hours, it's annoying.
>>332417086
>>BC was shit
lol no
>>MoP was the pin--
LOL NO
I wonder if the fanboys will still dismiss the whole "demons can only die for good in the Twisting Nether" 'reveal' since it has been confirmed beyond a tweet now.
>>332433342
>i didn't play MoP the meme
>>332432941
Cata had the potential to become the best expansion. World revamp was needed, even though some zones like Thousand Needles were completely destroyed. It was fun to level, new dungeons were good and t1 raids weren't that bad. Future content ruined it - nerfs, boring raids and DD witch was a total shitfest
>>332417086
Vanilla was great
BC was fantastic
Wotlk was good
Cata was shit
MoP was shit
WoD will be shit
>>332433578
>WoD will be shit
>will be
Anon you might have been in a coma for some time now
>vanilla
7/10
>bc
8/10
>wotlk
10/10, day 1 buy, sub active from start through completion of all content
>cataclysm
7/10
>mop
6/10
>wod
4/10, bought on release played it for a month, no reason to ever go back
>>332427586
>cata not being awesome until wrath babbys QQd so much that jewzard made it AoEfest again.
Go fuck yourself. Early cata was good but went to shit so fast.
>>332436461
>WOTLK
>10/10
Shit taste detected. How's those college applications going Sonny?
>>332421439
Not all priests channel the light
Paladins all channel the light.
Priests use FAITH powah
Blood Elves, Dwarves, Humans, Draenei, Worgen = Faith in the light
Trolls = Faith in da voodoo and their animal loa gods
Undead = Faith in the cult of shadow (Aka fuck you reverse light dickmagic, but thats kinda fair considering holy light burns them in the lore)
Night elves = Faith in Elune
Tauren = Faith in the Sun God Anshe
Gnomes = Faith in the power of mother fucking invention and technology and modern medicine and science and all that jazz
Goblins = Faith in the knowledge that stupid cucks will give them money for blessings and sermons and that they can keep all the gold from the collection plate
>OP
>Vanilla- Great
>BC- Shit
>WotLK- Great
>Cata- Shit
>MoP- Pinnacle
>WoD- Pure Shit
Friend, you have this order completely mixed up.
I won't even give you the benefit of (You).
>>332427278
I didnt expect anything more from artifact talents to begin with desu
I thought they were stupid and unnecessary. If you want to add new abilities, just make them baseline. Stop adding stupid new reasons to have them in the expansion outside of your regular talent trees.
>>332438352
WOTLK had the hypest 'fuck this dude is a bad motherfucker' trailer and getting off that blimp in Howling Fjords and all the shit they did with plague bombs and then fighting Vrykul after the lift...that shit stays with you still get goosebumps man don't even get me started on first run of Ulduar fuck.
>>332433518
yes they started off on a great path but early Cata pvp balance was really in the shitter. My god mages in arenas at that time had enough control to lock down 2-3 players for a short time.
Nerfing heroics, letting tol barad die to flawed design after its initial popularity, shitting the bed with raids after 4.0, and of course starting LFR with loot that made it a necessary part of gear progression were costly mistakes. Not to forget their habit of letting great zones become irrelevant outside of farming and gathering.
>>332439229
The WOTLK trailer was so fucking ass. Yes ulduar was good but t5/6 were God tier. Not to mention how they gutted azjol-nerub
>>332417697
Killed any sense of community
>>332419318
>people complaining about naxx rehas
>only a very small part of the vanilla community ever even saw the inside of naxx
>implying anyone here even raided naxx back in the day
>>332439229
I also enjoyed how the whole "what the fuck why is arthas constantly running away this whole expansion" thing was explained with the fact that he was baiting you into sending the strongest mother fuckers to him, just so he can one shot everyone and raise you as his unstoppable elite zombie task force.
Except then he gets fucked up by Tirion going super sayian. Which he kinda should've seen coming
But again, you can quite easily explain that when you remember: Arthas was never really that smart
I have to admit though, despite never playing Cata outside of the underwater zone, mount hyjal and the goblin/worgen starter zones, they really did a good job of stepping up the "Threat" level.
Arthas was a bad dude we had to stop, like you said. Deathwing, from his trailer and the way he shows up as you level, was fucking terrifying
>>332439557
>Wotlk trailer was ass
You didnt like the King Terenas monologue's ironic echo? I thought it was pretty well done senpai
>>332439892
No it was terrible. The fucking WC3 cinematics were better. ICC was edgelord the instance
>>332417086
>BC was shit
>MoP is the pinnacle of WoW
please tell me this is bait and not someone's actual opinion
>>332417251
>goofy pandas
>horrible, horrible story
>almost all new zones looked the same
>not enough content
>LFR
>>332440726
Men
Women
Children
None were spared the master's wrath
Your death shall be no different
>>332441020
>Almost all new zones looked the same
The only ones you could say that for would be Kun Lai and portions of Townlong. The rest had their own aesthetic.
>>332441162
Pic related: you
>>332441338
This pair
So delicious
So exhilarating
All these years and Blizz never balanced AV
Not to mention a PvP battleground that requires PvE tanks is fucking stupid
more like:
>vanilla was great
>bc was okay
>wotlk was shit
>cata was what caused me to unsub
>mop was irrelevant
>what's wod?
>people are still playing this game?
>in 2016?
At least I was there when it was at its pinnacle.
>>332417863
Wrath did,not have balanced pvp.
Pallies and death knights were fucking retarded
>>MoP is the pinnacle of WoW
Lmao kill yourself weebshit.
>>332417251
Gook theme and Kung Fu Pandas.
/blogpost
I hate when contested zones have exactly the same shit for both factions, like hellfire peninsula, dragonblight and so on to the point where it looks like horde and alliance settlements are mirrored on the map
/blogpost
