Do I need to play the other Drakengard games before I start with Nier? Are they related? I heard the others are pretty sub-par.
Nier thread I guess.
No, you can start with Nier.
Although they're connected, it's pretty trivial and more of a nod to the fans.
If you like Nier I recommend at least giving Drakengard 1 a try.
>>332402326
this
>>332402326
whatever you do, just don't play 2.
>>332402326
>>332402525
>>332402581
Alright, if I like Nier I'll have a look at Drakengard 1 & 3 too. Thanks.
Start with Nier, it's much better than the rest of the series and just slightly connected to it.
>>332404490
Also, I'd recommend playing Nier Replicant instead of Gestalt.
>>332404624
dosnt really matter which one he plays t b h
>>332404624
But I can't read moonrunes.
Was Drakenguard 2 the muso one? I think that's the only one I played. I remember the ending where you had totransform into an angel and fight your dragon BFF who betrays you.
>>332404490
id say Drakengard 1has better writing and much better use of alternate endings. Nier honestly could've had one solid ending with a little editing, the different routes hardly differentiate from one another.
You can safely skip all Drakengard games besides 3 entirely. 1 & 2 are garbage.
I haven't played Nier, but the Drakengard games are garbage, so I would avoid them. DoD1 is the worst Musou filler passed to high hell.
>>332405668
3 is the weakest of all the Taro games and is worse than 1 in many places.
DoD1 is also the most pure and complete of all the Taro games, so i dont get this idea of skipping it. Nier gets spotty in quite a few places while DoD3 is chopped to shit by virtue of DLC
>>332400981
No, what you need to do is play Nier blind andhave three boxes of tissues with you
>>332405432
they are all technically musou, at least 1 and 2, I never played 3. 2 is shit becausethe main protag of 1 is retconned into a weakling who is killed off by the faggy MC of 2. A protag more generic than Vaan or any of the other examples you could think of beats a man who loved killing so much that he was never not smiling in the first game when he is covered in the blood of his enemies. A man whose genocidal rage frightened a dragon who wanted to drive humanity to extinction.
Did I mention the MC of 2 was a faggot? Because his inability to give his hot cousin the dick she desperately wanted is the reason for most of the bad endings of each playthrough.
>>332405668
What are you talking about?1 is better than 3 in literally every aspect besides gameplay and honestly, who the fuck plays Drakengard games for gameplay?
>>332406279
1 has better gameplay than 3 in pretty much every way except ground combat mechanics
I sincerely believe if DoD1 just had more fluid and bouncy controls people wouldn't complain about it nearly as much as they do, as a whole its pretty solid.
>>332406101
Oh yeah, and almost as important, the dragon supers in 2 are dogshit compared to 1's.
chaos dragon's ultimate will never not be the best dragon attack in any game
>>332404624
>Liking brother Nier over papa Nier
Gestalt has the superior charscter, and replicant is kind of hard to get a hold of anyways. The only issue with Gestalt is howSuper fucking cringe worthy the cut-scene after the Mother Goose fight is.
>>332406527
Old Nier doesn't quite fit the game in my opinion. The character is way too innocent and idealistic to be a 40 years old man. Also, the time skip becomes much more relevant when you're playing young Nier.
>>332407096
>The character is way too innocent and idealistic to be a 40 years old man.Considering what the Replicants actually are, it makes sense.
>>332407291
I used to think like that, but after reading the Grimoire Nier I changed my mind. It's clear that Taro had young Nier in mind when he developed the game, he just changed the american version to make a experiment and also because of the idea/meta of it.
>>332407573
Yea I think all the mix-matching really gimped Nier's story, if he had committed to one design it couldve been alot stronger.
The old Nier/Kaine romance feels out of place in gestalt
>Nier
Good game dragged down by some moronic decisions and lack of budget. God-tier OST.
>Drakengard 1
Although bad in many aspects, it was extremely unique and had a lot of good things in it. Amazing, singular OST.
>Drakengard 2
...
>Drakengard 3
An attempt to make a shit late night anime that has nothing but sex jokes on it. While Drakengard 1 and to some extent Nier are good games with some bad aspects, Drakengard 3 is a shit game with just a few good things. Shit OST except for 3 or 4 songs.
>>332408335
>DoD1's OST
The OST in that fucking game must have created an entirely new genre of music. Each track is dozens of pieces of classical music all mashed into a single song and they all somehow fucking work, it still baffles me to this day how they made that happen.
>>332408334
It's just another thing that makes much more sense when you play with young Nier. But as Taro and Saito said,the decision to save her at the end comes more from the player than from Nier's character.
>>332408480
There's also some music not in the OST.
Just listen to it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8AR01IoieA&t=15s
It sounds like something straight out of Silent Hill 4.
>>332408719
Good lord, I'm glad I played the undubbed version.
>>332408650
It made absolutely no sense to me that he would ever choose to sacrifice himself to save Kaine. He goes through the whole game with the sole purpose of saving his daughter only to leave her fatherless in that ending.
>>332408719
I think Caim's facial expressions alone capture true insanity better than almost any other game.
>>332408817
Angelus' VA is superb.
Caim's voice is, well, you know.
>>332408817
Aside from the shit voice acting, the US version was censored as fuck, too. Large portions of the character buildup/personality of your group and rival were completely wiped out.
>>332408480
The best part is that the soundtrack perfectly fits the atmosphere and idea of the game. At first, it seems like nothing but noise and disjointed tracks, but then you start to realize that the songs are supposed to sound like that and it they start to grow on you. The tracks are meant to sound exactly like something out of a horror game, it's supposed to make you tense and unnerved while listening to it. And also to make you realize that there's something very wrong going on.
>>332408817
There's a translation?I really want to play with the original voices.
>>332409303
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgW8WbD1vFk
This is my personal favorite, though they are all fucking amazing
>>332408915
That's what the producer of the game said. He said that Nier himself would never choose the life of his daughter/sister over Kaine's, while Taro said that the choice was meant more to the player than to Nier himself. He said that if the player really liked Kaine's character, he had a chance of saving her in the end.
I have really high hopes for Nier 2. Budget and gameplay were always a huge problem on Taro Yoko games and now it seems that they were solved.
>>332409037
Angelus was voiced by a guy in the Japanese version, I thought a man's voice was much more fitting for a dragon. A gay guy called Peter. He also voiced Caim.
>>332409056
Yeah, I'm aware. The Japanese version is much more darker, I hear.
>>332409370
Nah, it's just undubbed. English version with Japanese audio.
>>332409841
JP version is edge as fuck
>priest that fucks little boys in a group with a permachild, this will surely work out
>psychotic elf bitch eats babies thendies when a swarm of floating death babies eat her
He wrote the game to be dripping with irony, and most of it was cut out in such a way that the story misses all of that and drastically lessens it's value.
>>332410120
>Game with a pedophile, a girl who eats kids and a MC who's a fucking pyscopath
Imagine the shitstorm that Drakengard 1 would cause if it was released today.
>>332410120
Arioche is more or less left intact though, its petty clear what she's up to once you play her side missions
Leonard was more subtle, but at the same time its not even that edgy since he was trying to overcome his pedophilia in his interactions with Seere
All in all, much less edgy than some of the bullshit in Grimoire Nier
There was a really good analysis about Nier and Drakengard that I read a long time ago, can't remember where it was.
>>332410120
Some of the details are known to us Westerners, about the censored things(pedophilia, cannibalism, incest etc.) but experiencing it from firsthand would be much more different. A shame, really.I'll always love Arioch.
>>332410401
If it wasn't censored, it'd probably share the same fate as Rule of Rose.
>>332410401
>Imagine the shitstorm that Drakengard 1 would cause if it was released today.
It'd be some low-budget indie game so nobody would give a fuck, it'd get some passing comments but thats it
So many games today have far suprassed Drakengard in edginess, its honestly not that bad
>>332410468
I thought the bald old man was a pedophile too
>>332410729
No he was just a narcissistic prick, that's why he lost his hair in the Pact
>>332410690
Most edgy games are satirical to the point where no one takes it seriously. You could argue that Drakengard was also satirical but it was a lot more subtle than shit like Hatred.
What were they thinking when they made this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7kA3iWJ8g0
>>332410948
i dont know but its good shit
>that menu trailer
>>332410948
>>332409405
That sounds so fucking good. Post more Drakengard tracks.
>>332407573
In the whole canon including the side material, young Nier fits much better, but for the tone of the game itself and the game only, I much preferred papa Nier, even though the fact that they didnt really plan it for him shows here and there.
>>332410948
I really dig the glitchy ones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN_6ujOWmcE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A5Wwb6iGwM
>that sound spike right in your right ear at 1:01
>>332411121
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXsRJt7Xm4g
This one's my absolute favorite. I want Sano back for DoD6.
Does anyone have a better quality version of this picture?
>>332403828
Playing Drakengard takes determination.
>>332410690
I mean, I'm sure some have, but tons? The others aside, the MC alone is the edgiest fucking person ever, did you watch all the cutscenes? He is a legitimate lunatic, the only character from any form of media that I can think of that approaches his level of calculated bloodlust isSinnby the end of book 10 of Malazan Book of the Fallen, and thoughshe was running around naked, laughing and painted in blood while torching tens of thousands of people, even that to me didn't capture madness as well as Caim does at certain parts in DoD1. As said before, by the end he had basically frightened Angelus into submission with his murderous rage, and it's not like she cared if humans died; in one of the aerial missions she asked him something to the extent of "do you truly wish to spill all of the blood that exists in this world?", and it just showed an image in the bottom where messages go (since obviously he is mute) with that psychotic rapegrin on his face.
>>332411173
I prefer young Nier because of what I said above and becauseI really fucking hate his design, I mean, young Nier's design isn't amazing but papa Nier looks like someone with mental problems
>>332411684
I really fucking hate papa Nier design*
Okay folks, now a difficult question: Which one has the better soundtrack, Nier or DoD1?
>>332411121
this is my second favorite after 5-ground2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29bWGOWA_GA
beginning is slightly cut off but can't find any better quality ones.
>>332406101
The fuck?Nowe doesn't kill Caim, fagballs. Caim dies because Legna kills Angelus at Caim's request
>>332411778
Stop being a fag
>>332411951Nowe battles Caim in the ring shaped zone and Caim is thrown down into the abyss
>>332411684
> papa nier looks like someone with mental problems
But, how?
He looks like someone living in a post apocalyptic world as a warrior
>>332411898
I expect the music I listen to twist my head around a bit, so it's DoD1 for me. NieR's is good and all but Okabe played it safe.
>>332412112
Caim doesn't die then
>>332411601
Murderous madmen are all over the place in games now. Hatred, GTA, Manhunt, etc.
Caim didn't bitch out Angelus, from the moment they made the pact it was "we ride together or we die together.
>>332411778
>>332411684
You have the absolute shittiest taste.
>>332412208
Then I guess I got the story wrong. In my defense, the game -really- sucked ass and I don't even think I got the third ending because at one point I just decided it wasn't worth it. Regardless, the little fairy faggot still beat Caim 1v1 even if he didn't kill him.
>>332411898
They're about equal, they're going for two different things.
>>332411974
>>332412250
He looks slitly less retarded in the art you posted.
See pic related and tell me if that looks cool for you.
>>332411684
Maybe his in-game...uh...visuals aren't really top notch, but I like his design, would have a gay skeleton crush over him any time.
>>332412396
A big point for Nier and his crew is that they're a band of misfits, so who honestly cares if you thinks he looks cool or not.
>>332412304
How do you forget Caim's death? It's the only scene worth playing 2 for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoSyOCI6w5g
>>332412396
It looks cool to me
The graphics were never impressive in Nier but they made it work
>>332409405
Dat chopped up Dvorak
This soundtrack was fucking genius, and this low-budget cashgrab game had balls the size of car tiers to go with the storyline and soundtrack it did.
God bless Taro, and god bless whoever the composer was.
>most soothing song hasn't been posted yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk5hLsX2AKo
>>332412229
>Hatred
Not even a kid would take that retardation seriously.
>GTA
None of the GTA protagonists are really murderous psychopaths in the context of the story.
>Manhunt
I'll give you that one.
>>332412396
He's fine. Only the batman mask after the time skip was questionable imo
>>332412229
I should also add that the reason Caim is so striking is because although his disposition is disturbing, he's honestly the better alternative considering what the Empire was up to.
He was a necessary evil and the setting of the game is pretty much his paradise, he actually has no choice BUT to exact his revenge with the skill he has, and he revels in it. A queer mixture of righteous fury and sadism.
Reminder he also never killed anyone who wasnt the enemy.
>>332412536
It's not about graphics though. There's PS1 characters who look cool, old Nier just looks retarded.
>>332412453
He was acceptable before time skip, the mask made him even worse.
>>332412641
>>332412729
Yeah, probably would've looked better with a regular eyepatchStill into him
>>332410729
>>332410814
Also super racist against non-humans, whicheventually led to his Caim-induced death when he fucked with Angelus.
DoD2 may be shit, but all of it's lore is great.
Also, I miss pacts. Even the ones in DoD2 are really interesting.
>>332412641
serious questionwhy does he wear the mask?
Thankfully, the new protagonist looks way better than in the previous Taro games.
>>332412574
Vercetti was a cold piece, so was Trevor
Also Kratos
>>332412909
We always had bretty good females.
I also hope for a qt boy
I miss Emil
>>332412705
Arguably you could say that that's only because nobody but an enemy was crazy enough to stand in his way. Anyone who did so he would immediately see as his enemy, which seems like a pretty big grey area. I do agree though, he was necessary in the overall plot of the game, which is obviously why he was the main character to begin with.
>>332412909
Not really. She's basically a mixture of Kaine and Zero who were already the same character in different situations
>>332412565
Fuck you I was gonna post that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w7MXyIZPRc
>>332413017
Inuart tried but Caim didnt really hate him or try to kill him, he just wanted him to fuck off and give Furiae back.
http://www.jp.square-enix.com/company/en/officer/
>Saito is Executive Officer of Squenix.
>Also a producer of DQX and XI
Well, that explains everything.
>>332413039
Taro loves them white haired females
But the personality will be vastly different nowthough if we go from blank personality to a bitchy semen demon I'm totally fucking on-board with this ride
>>332412565
There are only two calm DoD1 tracks I can think of, one is Ending D, the other one is from a trailer:
https://youtu.be/q8TDQ5oJdIw?t=188
Both are great, shame we'll never have the one from the trailer. It reminds me of DMC 4's weapon select/upgrade track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMxysjfVMDE
>>332411898
Sophie's fucking choice
It's like, how do you figure out who wins a race when the runners are going two different directions?
Nier set a record on a racetrack and Drakengard is running through fucking mountains and quicksand and shit
>>332412979
Taro said that there will be 3 protagonists, so your wish will probably be granted.
>>332413039
>Kaine and Zero
She looks nothing like them.even if you're right, her design is much more pleasing and cool.
>>332412889
My guess is that he lost his eye somehow in the 5 year time skip, perhaps due to recklessly fighting
>everyone forgetting ending A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDndbZt_A-w
>>332412112That's by Urick, Caim beats Nowe in the cutscene right after the fight, Urick only pushes Caim back because Caim is surprised Urick doesn't die, then Caim kills Urick so hard it breaks his pact with death. And he survives the fall and comes back later.
>>332413286
I guess, i dont see it as anything better or worse than what we've seen so far in Nier universe
Drakengard has its own thing going on
>>332412960
Just being "cold and calculated" is not the same. It was a musou game so he was always killing thousands of people on the map, that's normal for that sort of game, but the difference was that he was killing thousands of people IN THE CUTSCENES TOO. With that fucking grin. Whoever designed/drew his reactions to shit did a spot on job, not just for the character portraits but for the cutscenes in particular.
>>332413516
I wanna be this happy.
>>332413342
Kinda odd since Ending A shows him without his mask and he still has both eyes.
>>332413516
The image you posted is from DoD2
>>332413516
Its just how he was, of all the murderous types Caim just happens to be the most well-done
>Be autistic neet
>train with sword to compensate, git gud
>parents are killed by Empire, sister railroaded into some bullshit goddess position
>Empire is closing in with no mercy
>pretty much green light to go apeshit and have everyone thank you for it at the end of the day
>>332413413
See, I don't recall any of the story of that fucking game, if that really happened then that is much more satisfying and I can be slightly less irrationally angry at 2.
>>332413714
What?
Ending A was a flashback of them spending time together was it not? Yonah was younger in that scene
>Nier 2 looks cool
>skipped PS3 so i don't know how the first game is
they will release a remastered edition, r-right?
>>332413879
It has to be. I remember being confused after that ending.
>>332413984
I woudnt bet on it.
>>332413879
Oh, it was a flashback?
I suppose that makes sense. Whoops.
>>332413726
It's Caim. If you want to nitpick, see the video in
>>332408719
That's just the start of the game, when he hasn't even gone full bananas yet, the sparkle in his eyes of the impending murder is almost childlike in it's delight, and that's where his mood stays for most of the game as long as he is killing.
>>332413984
Its also on the 360
Just buy either of those and hack it.
>>332413984
You don't need to know anything about the first game according to its director. Hell, he said fans of the series will be much more confused than the newcomers.
>>332413856
Everything involving Caim in DoD2 is gold. Everything involving pacts is at least Silver. Nowe is really the only problem, though he's a big fucking problem. That andthem copping and making Manah mind-controlled instead of just still evilDoD2 also has the best dragon combat of any of the three games and some of the best bosses.
Taro still had some limited creative control.
>>332414124
Nier is good to play on its own. Its really stupid to skip it.
>>332414104
I'm just saying, you're talking specifically about his reactions and grin, and while that's the most famous one, it's not from that game.
>>332413514
I always thought that design was one of the weakest aspects in both Nier and Drakengard. Both the areas and characters look so boring in those games. I haven't seen much of Nier Automata yet, but what I saw looks more attractive than previous games.
It helps that the guy who worked in the designs of Vagrant story and FFXII is working on Nier now.
>>332414145
I can't agree with the last unless you are referring to aerial missions. Ground mission dragon combat goes to DoD1 with no contest whatsoever, it's not even in the same league as the others, it was so fucking satisfying using chaos breath, your attack itself was armageddon, magma spewing from the dragon's mouth, volcanoes and earthquakes erupting beneath you, purple lightning falling from the sky like rain.
Why is this psychopath so damn charming, anyways? Are we all just edgelords?
>>332413984
>Not having a PS3
It's like you hate video games or something.
>>332414487
Psychopaths are charming anon. Have you never heard of Ted bundy?
>>332414487
He's simple, to the point and isnt trying to bullshit you on what he's about.
>>332414487we all just want to be as happy as he is; he takes supreme joy in doing a simple, repetitive task. We try the same by grinding in MMOs or at a job or posting on the internet and still fail to enjoy life.
>>332414124
>Hell, he said fans of the series will be much more confused than the newcomers.
Good ol Taro
>>332414423
I am referring to aerial missions, but I also think ground dragon combat was better. Being able to actually control your altitude was a godsend, and it lent itself to more complicated combat than DoD1's which boiled down to "mash that button and kill everyone unless there are archers". Which is fun, don't get me wrong, but DoD2's was better. All in all DoD2 had better levels and gameplay, since there was a little more variety in terrain and enemies.
I really wish they would have let Taro direct that game.
>>332414490
I didn't buy one because I usually played a friend's PS3
>>332414124
Found it:
http://www.wired.com/2015/06/nier-yoko-taro-interview/
>“One thing I’ve done to help newcomers to this franchise is that the story’s a little difficult to understand if you’ve played the first one,” he said. “You may actually be confused by it. So it may actually be better to come in fresh and play this game first.”
nier automata will be similarly open world like Nier
Right
RIGHT?
>>332414864
I like to think so. Some of the concept art shows 2B standing in some pretty wide open areas.
>>332414864
Allegedly it'll be like Zelda or something, boars are back in too so I guess thats a yes
>>332414864
Taro Yoko said that the game will maintain the RPG elements and open world nature of its predecessor. According to him and Saito, they're aiming to make a Nier with better gameplay while retaining the spirit of the original.
>>332415060
I fucking hope so. God bless Yoko.
Platinum games has a tendency to make their games quite short show I've been stressing thinking about Nier Automata ending up as a 6 hour hack and slash game
>>332415219
Platinum is just co-developing by helping with the engine, graphics, etc. And the main designer for MGR helping with the mechanics.
Taro and his team are still managing the overall direction of the game. Check out the interviews, even Taro was skeptical at first.
>>332415029
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNveMjoSxp0
>>332415219
Platinum is making the gameplay while Taro is handling the story, scenario and overall direction of the game. Check out some interviews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssD3wf5Kp9M
>>332415219
>6 hour hack and slash game
lets be honest with ourselves and admit that without the grind-wall blocking the final endings Taro's games would be exactly this.
>>332415856
Let's not exaggerate. Doing Ending A and B of Nier can easily take about 25-30 hours to the player unless you ignore all side quests.
>>332416019
fair enough, what I said probably applies more to Drakengard games.
There was a site that reported everything about Nier and Drakengard, including lore information, interviews and side material, but I can't find it right now. Does someone know what site it is?
>>332416593
http://nier2.com
>>332416838
Thanks anon. This site is really useful.
How much of Grimoire Nier can we take as canon to Gestalt? Obviously the stuff about the creation of the Grimoires and Emil's backstory are probably canon to both versions, but did papa Nier take it in the pooper like brother Nier?
>>332412889
>somebody actually saved my pacha
Cool
>>332417070
I woudnt worry about it, just see Papa and Brother Nier as two different timelines
Hey moonfags, how did Replicant handle Nier and Emil's conversation at the wedding where, in Gestalt, they discussed Nier's wedding?
>>332417070
Gestalt isn't canon.
>>332417070
Honestly Gestalt seems like just westernizing the story and thats it.
Theres some retro-justification by Taro and all, but in the end there can only be one Nier who went through the shit the game puts you through, and quite obviously thats bro-nier.
>>332417632
Bro Nier wants to marry his sister.
>>332417646
>>332417669
This is wrong
Regardless of the origin of Papa Nier, in the actual canon both exist at different times since their replicant cycles don't line up, and sometimes Yonah is presented to Nier as his sister and sometimes as his daughter.
Obviously the ending can't belong to both, and it's unclear where each one got to, but they do both exist in canon.
>>332417669
Brother Nier for ending D
Papa Nier for ending C
In all honestly with some proper adjustments he could've done them all at one time, but that'd require killing off Kaine a little earlier which is ultimately no big deal.
>>332417632
As far as I know, the relantionship between young Nier and Kaine is different from papa Nier and Kaine, so my guess is that the dialogue was probably related to her. Or it can be about Nier's mother.
>>332418302
BroNier and Kaine was more of a proper romance
PapaNier and Kaine was more of a mutual respect thing
>>332418074
Again this is what I'm talking about as the justification, the whole "they both exist just different cycles" is a "sure it is", we end the cycle in the game, so it can only be one.
And since we only have background material for one and absolutely nothing for the other, its a pretty shallow "canon" for papa nier.
The something very special tumblr girl also wrote some nice articles about where papa nier doesn't really fit into the game, which are all true too, if someone wants to read some nier theorizing.
>>332418393
Its honestly up to your own preference, many would see the Father/daughter scenario far more believable than the Brother/Sister one, but of course we know they planned for the Brother/Sister one initially.
I think the Father/daughter one actually takes the story further though, or at least drives home the central idea much more strongly. Little details like cutscenes with Kaine and Emil dont really matter that much.
>>332418393
Okay sure, but the actual canon says nothing about which one it was, and clearly states both exist.
Have your preferences, but this is the reality, so to speak.
>>332418074
>>332418143
>>332417669
>People still have doubt on which one is canon when the creator literally said that he thought of young Nier when making the story
>People still have doubt on which one is canon when the creator uses young Nier instead of old Nier in every side material.
We could argue about semantics, but everybody knows which one is canon.
>>332406527
>Super fucking cringe worthy the cut-scene after the Mother Goose fight is.
I've never played the game, can you elaborate on this?
>>332418393
>we end the cycle in the game, so it can only be one.
Multiple timelines.The best story-telling excuse ever made.
>>332418625
>>332418679
I prefer papa nier myself, but I consider it odd to treat him as canon to any material outside the game.
In the end I wonder if we'll get some direct references to him in Automata, and if so, how specific.
>>332418787
Hence why it is ignored
>>332418772
he literally said the thing about the endings in Grimoire Nier, go back and read it.
And honestly who honestly gives a fuck which one is canon or not. The game fucked up to begin with by even making the split in the first place. If he really had a solid idea on what he wanted he would have never have done that.
>>332418772
Regardless of which is the original, they are both in canon. This isn't up for debate, it's word of god.
>>332418787
>>332418910
I forgot, this is a DoD game, everything's canon
lol you guys now realize why he's disassociating Automata from Nier 1
Having two Niers was a mistake thats too much of a headache to justify past "two different interpretations"
>>332419181
This seems wrong; wouldn't The Garden of Light have to come after DoD2 ending A? Pretty sureManah is dead in ending B, but she's alive in the epilogue story
>>332419291
I doubt Taro would've made a direct sequel anyway
>>332418950
>>332419056
>And honestly who honestly gives a fuck which one is canon or not
Hopefully no one. I'm just arguing that's obvious which Nier Taro has in mind when he writes anything about the game. Sure you could say both are canon, but the reason why the creator is releasing more material to bro nier while ignoring papa nier is clear.
>>332418625
>Little details like cutscenes with Kaine and Emil dont really matter that much.
As some people said, Nier's personality doesn't quite fit his age in the american version.
>>332419498
>Sure you could say both are canon
There's no "saying", though: they are. That's all I'm arguing.
>>332419840
I disagree, and I rather like him and his optimism--which he reatains more after the timeskip than his younger counterpart.
>this exists
http://nier2.com/blog/2015/07/09/yorha-summary/
Taro is a goddamn madman.
>>332420123
>http://nier2.com/blog/2015/07/09/yorha-summary/
Reminder that this is likely super canon and important to Nier 2
>>332420072
I think the way he deals with situations is way too simple minded for someone of his age, not to mention how overly innocent he is in some situations. I remember finding his personality really odd when playing for the first time, then when I thought of him as a guy in his teens or early 20's, things started to fit much more easily. For me, it's clear that they made him innocent and optimistic due to his age and the time skip was used to emphasize his development as a person, while in the case of old Nier it doesn't make that much sense. That's my opinion at least.
It's also important to remember that we all played as old Nier, so it's natural that many people will have a preference towards him.
>>332420123
>Taro is a goddamn madman.
We're talking about the guy who made the last boss of DOD3. Of course he's a madman.
>>332415856
Drakengard 3 took me 40 hours to get to the end
Lets be honest, you didnt actually play Taro's games
Reminder that Taro wanted Drakengard 3 to be a game about a schoolgirl calling her dragon using a cellphone, but producers didn't let that happen.
>>332421536
Holy shit, source on this?
>>332421640
>He also mentioned within the same interview a couple ideas he wanted to do for this entry but were rejected. The first one wanted to trick players into thinking that they missed a title by calling this one Drag-On Dragoon 4 and have the story search for the "missing piece" of the series. The other one was set in a contemporary setting following the adventures of a Japanese high school girl who would call for her dragon companion through her cellphone.
http://drakengard.wikia.com/wiki/Drakengard_3
>>332421536
Drakengard x SMT when?
>>332421640
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/623/623509/index-5.html
It was also supposed to be called "Drag-on Dragoon 4" and be about the search for the missing Drag-on Dragoon 3
DoD5 when
>>332420857
I think it made him more interesting as a character. It's as if he was... a little out of touch with the reality, and it is understandable.
Nier loses all of his restraints once something concerns his daughter and ignores all reason, getting him into the whole mess. Never once does he question himself what was he doing if he thought it will bring him closer to saving Yonah.
He also certainly has some communication problems. He doesn't understand people and I think the "friends" scene in Aerie kind of fit him. Yes, he is naïve, but in a really sad way.
>>332421536
You know, there is the whole concept. I'm sure it's familiar. It's called a "joke". Like picrelated.
>>332422017
It wasn't just a joke though.
>>332421334
If you're playing them straight then its easy enough, how good are you at games anyway
>>332421859
>>332421889
Whatever the fuck goes on in Taro's head, is beautiful
Wish more directors would go into these kinds of dark stories. But if that were the case they wouldn't be special anymore i guess. Never retire yoko
One interesting thing about Nier is that few people realize the whole game is a deconstruction of video game tropes.
>>332420123
>No21 says there are no such things as monsters
Lady, you don't know shit
>>332422578
Also very true about Drakengard 1.
Pretty much everyone in the game is a trope that got twisted
>>332422293
We used to have more directors willing to take risks in the past. Sadly, the industry is playing more and more safe as time goes on.
>>332422293
>watch his presentation about developing games in GDC
>when I was suddenly made into game director I was surprised and bought a few books about writing manuscripts
>and then I threw them all away after skimming through them because they all seemed like bullshit
>I came up with this own style of creating story, which I'm sure everyone else also uses. I contacted other people but they all deny doing so. I bet they're just asses and trying to hide it from me
kek
>>332422957
I am in love with this man
>>332422957
>>332422293
>During his youth, he experienced an incident that would influence his later work as a scenario writer: while in a shopping street with a group of friends, one of them who was walking along a high building roof slipped and died from the fall. The scene as Yoko remembered it was initially "horrifying", but in hindsight he saw humorous elements as well.
>but in hindsight he saw humorous elements as well.
>humorous elements
>>332423175
Humorous element is that his friend who fell had a boner.
>>332422957
Fucking based.
I like the fact that Drakengard/Nier threads have minimal shitposting. Hope that doesn't change after Nier 2.
>>332423525
dont jinx it, you know full well how bad it can get
>>332423525
PC when?
>>332400981
>Do I need to play the other Drakengard games before I start with Nier?
you just need to get the TRUE ending of Dragengard 1 if you're that interested in story
after TRUE ending of Drakengard 1 it splits into two timelines: Nier and Jap Nier
>>332423525
Its coming to ps4. as an exclusive so far
The shit posting will surface in full force
>>332423525
It because we all know that elements of these games suck so pretending that they do in order to rile people up has no effect
>>332423923
The funny thing is that exclusives should have less shitposting since the number of people playing is smaller. However the fact that exclusives generate console war bullshit changes that.
>>332423945
(You)?
>>332411507
pls
>>332413413
>Urick only pushes Caim back because Caim is surprised Urick doesn't die, then Caim kills Urick so hard it breaks his pact with death. And he survives the fall and comes back later.
i'll have to salvage a copy of that piece of shit just to see that happen
also, was it just me being stupid or did they cut out a lot of the companion's stories?
>>332425972
>also, was it just me being stupid or did they cut out a lot of the companion's stories?
I don't understand the question
Anyone ever see the Drakengard 3 prequel novel that was in the limited edition for sale online anywhere? I saw it on Ebay ONCE for $20 but couldnt get it at the time.
>>332426465
well as i was running around getting these people to join me their backstory was briefly explained, and that's about it unless I missed something
i did all their quests and there were one or two lines of dialogue, like whenthey're dropping children off of boatsbut other than stuff like that it feels like there's something missing
i've gotten all endings so far except for TRUE endingand Flowers for a Broken Spirit is my favorite
>>332423525
I can see it ending up like Metal Gear threads after MGR was released. Seeing as how Nier 2 looks like a hack n slash like MGR, things are going to get CUH-RAZY
>>332417070
>did papa Nier take it in the pooper like brother Nier?
I sort of doubt it seeing as Papa Nier would have been old enough to join the shade hunt and make a proper living at that point.
>>332427885
Papa Nier also isn't weird about his hair like Bro Nier is
