Article from shitaku so I made a picture.
post yfw valve will have to pay millions in potential liability+legal costs
>WE'RE NOT OPERATING IN AUSTRALIA!
>IT'S JUST A PORTAL TO THE US STORE!
Truly pathetic.
>>332370306
ACL is pretty fucking based. Hopefully Valve will start listing prices in AUD now that their 'loophole' doesn't work. I mean come on, New Zealand gets proper local pricing.
you care about this more than valve does
so valve's gonna have to dip into the fountain o' money and break off a little somethin' somethin' for the australian government
and you think this is the end of valve
>>332370306
I just hope that they improve their business practices.
So what happens? Do they get fined? What if they don't pay? What can australia even do?
Oh no, they will have to pay millions of Kangaroo shekels to the cuck league.
If only they weren't a privately owned multibillion dollar company...
Wouldn't it be funny if they just removed the store from Australia?
>>332371443
You're the first person to have thought of that anon, good work.
It would actually work out better for consumers, since the Australian store is just the US one with inflated prices. They even list costs in USD.
I hope shit like this paves the way for used digital game sales. The only reason I don't buy digitally, really, is that I can't easily sell my games after I'm done playing them.
Give me back my right of first-sale and I'll start buying digitally
>>332371664
yyyeah, i kind of stopped feeling sorry for australians paying so much for video games when i found out their minimum wage was over $17/hr
Can Australia just fuck off already? Has ANYTHING good come from that shit hole?
>>332371443
There's a 99.9% chance that'll be what happens. And then Australia never got pcs games again
>>332371093
They can no longer sell in australia if they don't pay
>tfw Valve pulls out of Australia
>tfw Australia gets disconnected from Steam
yes please
>>332371443
This would be hilarious as shit
>>332371828
Virgil Donati and quite frankly, excellent shitposting.
Indians wouldn't get savaged half as badly here if it wasn't for Aussies.
>>332370306
I don't think this will have that much of an impact on Valve
Who wants to play with Australians anyway? All they do is lag like shit and swear all the time.
>>332371828
wifi, medicine related shit. Also quantum computing research.
>Millions of Australians get shit on because Gabe was bullied by an Australian in school
>>332372054
Fuck off cunt
>>332371816
That's a hangover from the minimum wage being intended as a living wage and keep in mind that it's not 17 USD.
>Valve pays fine
>continue operating like nothing happened
>>332372110
Wifi is the gateway to the niggernet, medicine lets people with shit genes live, and quantum computing isn't useful yet.
>>332370306
Good. Fuck Valve.
Valve should just abandon the shit island.
What if Valve refuses to pay? Australian govermnent can't do much about americans companies, other than blocking access to Steam in Australia, and in that situation the consumers will be the most fucked in the whole story.
>>332370306
If it doesnt hemmorage them into dying then who cares.
>>332372341
Valve should abandon PC and shut down
>>332372426
"Waaa I can't be ripped off by Valve anymore!"
If they pull out of Australia, they would have to either refund all the games bought by australians or make all the games and their features available without Steam.
>>332372292
Oh, and penicillin for human treatment.
>>332371816
>when i found out their minimum wage was over $17/hr
Which ends up being around $10 USD
>>332372426
>consumers would be the most fucked
Actually blocking a service as draconian and monopolistic as Steam would allow opportunities for other, presumably better services to flourish
>>332372426
The Australian government should make it legal to pirate any game that is on Steam. DI-fucking-SCUSS
>>332371831
Then I would pirate almost exclusively.
>>332372616
We would have found it eventually
>>332372665
Good luck with those Denuvo games
>>332371828
The great emu war
>>332371835
whats going to stop them?
its a us portal after all
>>332372574
>>332372638
I'm talking about people who already bought tons of games on Steam, if they suddenly lose access to Steam they'll also lose access to the games they paid for and will never receive the money back.
>Australian law xDDDD
how does it feel to have no consumer rights?
>>332372784
Same way Japan stop us fags from buying digital versions of region locked games. But in reverse. Block all ip activity from the us
>>332372819
Most of /v/ seems to forget the only reason Valve even started with refunding was because of consumer rights outside of the US.
>>332372928
good luck with that
>>332370306
Just what we need, to lose Steam access here because of whiny sheep farmers who always want money own my shitty country.
>>332372956
This
America has little consumer protection laws outside the few lemon laws for things like contractual agreements and appliances
>>332372970
Well of course you'll have some tech fags that'll spoof the ip block with private vpns or proxies, but the mass majority of those kangaroos probably don't know how
>>332372661
The US would probably nuke them if they tried that.
>>332372819
It feels like shit.
DaS3 Deluxe Edition cost $137.95 on the Playstation store.
Fuck this gay country
>Australians get banned from 4chan
>Australians get banned from Steam
I wish this happened.
>>332371749
I'd sell so many of my digital games if I could.
Great news. Fuck Valve and anyone who uses their service. Steam is for faggots.
>>332371828
Acdc
Does this mean that steam will finally start listing prices in au dollars? I stopped buying stuff from the steam store ages ago because of how blatantly they were fucking us.
>>332372928
they can't "block us IP activity". That would mean blocking most servers, from youtube to twitter to probably even 4chan.
Countries like China do this though, that's why Chinanet exists. maybe if australia makes kangaroonet, they would finally cut 4chan off from all the shitposters and BBC threads
>>332371828
Ricciardo is top lad.
>>332373139
Fuck off India.
>>332373229
>Does this mean that steam will finally start listing prices in au dollars?
They're getting sued because they sell games to Australians in the first place, they'll probably just give up and stop selling games to you people.
>>332373280
>Australia
>BBC fetish
I'll cop the shitposting but don't lump your degenerate American and European shit in with us.
>>332372054
>Who wants to play with Australians anyway? All they do is toss hektik bantz and swear all the time.
Fixed that for ya nerd.
>>332373139
>Australia in one person
It sucks living in a country where everyone has to cop it when one person does something stupid.
>>332373280
And nothing of value was lost
>>332373280
They can do that
Steam servers probably have and are based around static IP addresses and you can readily block those
If this doesn't imply free shit for us then I don't really care. Valve always get their way anyway.
>>332373363
I thought this was mostly a Scandinavian thing.
>>332371828
Has anything good ever come out of you, pal?
>>332373118
are you seriously attemping to suggest that a blanket us ip ban is a workable solution for australia?
>Valve refuses, they loose small audience of irrelevant convicts and abbos with bad internet
>world and valve win
>Valve ignores them entirely
>Austrailia can't do shit because they don't operate in austrailia or have austrailian services
>Kangaroofuckers cry into their shit brown ashsole spread
>Aussies get banned from Steam
Take a moment to consider this. 70-80% of active tf2 servers are based out of Australia. Result. Hats: the Game finally dies
>>332371749
this would never work, because what's stopping you from making unlimited copies? The data never gets truly erased and you can freely distribute it.
>>332370549
>ACL is pretty fucking based. Hopefully Valve will start listing prices in AUD now that their 'loophole' doesn't work. I mean come on, New Zealand gets proper local pricing.
This is good, except for the fact I have about 50 steam bux and if the store gets changed to australian money the prices will no doubt increase making me lose even more.
>>332371816
>I don't know how basic economics work
The average wage in Zimbabwe is over a 100 billion a month, that 100 billion doesn't buy you jack shit. It doesn't matter that their minimum wage is billions higher than yours. Likewise Australia may get a higher minimum wage than the US, but that higher minimum wage does not even come close to covering the disparity in goods/services pricing. Your effective purchasing power is still much higher.
>>332373564
>all games instantly lose like 10% of their playerbase
>quality of communication and social interaction increase 100%
>>332373639
Zimbabwe abandoned their shit currency
post yfw no more aussies in steam
>this probably means valve will completely abandon the Australian market!
>if they stop operating in Australia that means they will have to fully refund all Australian accounts!
Wow, /v/ sure does have shrewd insight into the business world! Great thread guys.
>>332373569
>Aussies are the only ones keeping Hats alive
Do these fuckers truly have no shame?
I don't think you niggas even understand how big of deal it would be if Australian IP's were prohibited from accessing steam.
It may not affect you but in Australia that shit would be on the news and there would be petitions up the ass.
Buying shit games when I was younger is what taught me to be a better consumer. Australian children will grow up to be coddled morons.
>>332373716
so are they back to bartering?
>>332370306
>Australian Law
So... it's nothing?
>>332373821
We can dream though, can't we?
>>332373569
none of the servers I play on are aus based and thats all that matters
>>332371093
Valve pays money. Everyone using steam has to submit to a bloodtest through their steam mobile spyapp to prove their identity in case of refund.
>>332373591
buy a bunch of keys then sell them once the shift comes
>>332373590
>because what's stopping you from making unlimited copies
the steam key, or any other key required to unlock the game.
>>332373973
then we're back to cracking the game and distributing it freely
>>332370306
So who gets the payout? Some faggot?
How does this protect me, the consumer, at all?
>>332373821
>Australia that shit would be on the news and there would be petitions up the ass
who cares
>>332373694
>10%
>Implying aussies don't all pirate regardless of their bullshit
>most sellers don't even notice the drop since outside of europe, us, japan and the middle east, nobody buy games in large quantity.
>>332374142
??? are you against the refund system then
Australia Store on Steam is literally the ONLY country that valve won't use that countries local currency for.
Every game in Australian Steam is USD not AUD, meaning, that you cop biggest tax penalties as well as higher conversion rate / inflation of the USD price so instead of being 59.99 USD, they put it up to 84.95 USD or something, thinking thats AUD, but this is actually 105.99 AUD, making games here super expensive for no reason.
Our neighbor New Zealand used NZ dollars on their steam, not USD.
Valve has had aussies tell them for years to let us pay with AUD not USD but they just ignore it and reap the extra money from keeping it USD because they are greedy jews.
>>332370306
Link to the article right here anon: http://kotaku.com/valve-found-guilty-of-breaching-australian-consumer-law-1767649760
>>332370306
Aussies are the source of so many problem
>>332370306
All they're going to do is appeal it right up until the deadline and then pay a meager fine for policy they've already changed, valve will lose 0.5% of their revenue for that year and things will continue on exactly the fucking same as they are now.
ITT Fucking idiots and u18's
>>332374451
To be fair it must cost a lot to send the data that far over such slow wires
>>332371828
ACDC
Midnight Oil
INXS
Heath Ledger
Hugh Jackman
Chris Hemsworth
Attractive people all together
You want us to fuck off?
Ok then, give me your WiFi, oh and your UGG boots
>>332371816
You fucking moron.
After taxes it is nowhere near $17/hr and on top of that our living expenses are some of the highest on the planet.
>>332371828
>Has ANYTHING good come from that shit hole?
Wireless technology you are likely using at the moment for your Internet connection.
The current forefront of quantum computing.
80% of the worlds mining and drilling software and technology has been developed and exported from Australia.
>>332374472
>linking to Shitaku
Get the fuck out.
>>332374695
No, you just fuck off back to sniffing petrol, shitfucker.
>>332371828
Ausfag here. Don't let other Ausfags fool you.
Australia is literally "First World thinking/living" but "Third World" everything else.
>>332374451
is 40C really a big deal outside Australia?
That's funny
>>332374489
Name 3 legitimate problems that exclusively apply to Australia that affects other countries.
>>332374451
Valve does this on purpose in spite of Australia because of the ACCC lawsuit.
>>332374872
Nah. Average summer day here in texas
>>332374893
waaaaaaaaaaaaaah they have annoying accents
>>332373127
>nuking a country which supplies the world its raw nuclear materials
Not too bright, are ya son?
>>332373139
Not good considering canacuck shitposters. At least aussiefags try to be funny.
>>332374893
The majority of the population is Australian
The majority of the population is Australian
The majority of the population is Australian
>>332374872
That being said, Australians want to collectively commit suicide if the temperature drops below 10.
It's like people thinking Canberra is some arctic ice city with it's average 5-7 degree winters.
Lmao "valve" is finished
PC master race indeed
>>332375113
>The US nuking Australia ever
yeah he's literally retarded
>>332370306
>ACCC defines computer software as goods
Hopefully devs will stop using "it's a service" as an excuse for unfinished products.
>>332375492
>>332375113
It's a joke, you fucking autists.
>>332375664
>joke's on you, i was only pretending to be retarded
>>332375664
>I was only pretending to be retarded! I s-swear guys!
>>332370306
I really wish that the whole world would get together and state that digital goods are owned goods and not licensed period. Any and all media is owned. The only thing that companies are allowed to do is block multiplayer from people who can be proven to be directly interfering with other people enjoying the product. That means using a glitch to instantly reach max level is not bannable, but clipping out of the world or using aimbots is and again only multiplayer. And then declare that all games must obey the first sale doctrine and must be resalable by the user.
Of course this would never happen because the amount of rectal rangarok from companies that are too lazy to put actual effort into their games would go out of business if they didn't step their game up.
>>332371831
sure thing dude
>>332375924
>>332375974
like clockwork :^)
>>332375335
We adjust to one temperature and most of our stuff is built around it.
>>332375590
This. This is the important part.
>>332375924
>>332375974
You faglords are just retarded and autistic. How the fuck could you even begin to think that post was serious or baiting/trolling?
>>332376201
It was as much as a joke as those you find in CAD comics.
>OP article
What is with people using such tiny fonts for everything they do on a computer?
>>332376121
The problem with that is if it isn't licensed, it could be distributed or resold freely. Then again I know fuck-all about law so correct me if I'm retarded.
>>332374695
More like ugh boots
>>332374821
doesn't affect you considering you don't go outside
>>332373821
>Nothing changes in any country that matters
Oh well
>>332374695
>give me your WiFi, oh and your UGG boots
I would give that shit up in a heartbeat to not have to suffer Australians.
>>332376340
Take it easy on OP, he's not clever enough to take a screenshot of a webpage larger than his monitor without scaling it down.
>>332376201
Ah, but I too was joking when I made that post! Perhaps you should take your black ass out of here Mr. Pot.
>>332376381
tumblr boots?
>>332376538
you can stop lying anytime now
>>332376342
The biggest issue is that digital goods are going to need their own laws written to protect the businesses. I agree with you and that's why digital goods really need a large number of legal experts and judges and what have you brought together to write it up in a way that restricts your ability to copy and distribute to others while allowing you to make copies for yourself. Which being digital is going to be very difficult to enforce but maybe in this case it really should just tell them that if they weren't such greedy cunts about it this wouldn't have been necessary so deal with it.
>>332373492
Yeah, my son. I'd explain how it works to you, but you're likely a lonely virgin homosexual anyway. Enjoy AIDS.
>>332376915
But how could he enjoy AIDS if he is a virgin?
>>332372751
Reminder that ausboi's ain't gonna do shit when their girls are taking the BEC.
>>332370306
so, hypothetically, if the court orders valve to pay out a bunch of money, could valve just say "fuck you", not pay, and then just not operate in australia any more?
i'm not advocating for that, I'm just not sure how this shit all works since its australians suing a US company
>>332371816
uhhh actually minimum wage in Australia is $13.50
$17 is just the usual minimum that employers pay. Becuase if the job does only pay $13.50 for an adult the employees will tell the employer to go fuck themselves.
>>332370306
BASED ACCC
A
S
E
D
Truly, the greatest country on Earth.
>>332371831
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFrgdFb0WS0
>>332370306
>Australia trying to make it legal to steal from foreign businesses
Shameful, even for Australia
>publishers think they can override international law via EULA agreements
thats fucking cute gabe, when youre fat corpse is rotting in your grave nobody will miss your greedy incompetent ass, you fuck
>>332375335
I can confirm.
38 degrees is a normal spring day here. Summer is normally 40/42.
Once it gets down to 25 I put tracksuit pants on. Once it gets to 20 I put a jumper on as well.
Anything below 20 is rug up in bed all day because it's so frickin cold.
5 degrees is like teeth clatteringly cold.
>>332377298
I don't know international law, but aren't Australia and US in some sort of trade agreement? If Valve did that, the US would probably tell Valve to pay up.
How does Australia ass-fluster so many people on /v/? Look at all these people defending Valve over consumer rights as consumers for the 0% chance of Valve pulling business from a country.
>>332378402
Can't handle the Bantz.
>>332378402
australians online behavior endear themselves to no one, not even other shitposters.
>>332374872
As someone who lives in Scandinavia, I can't even stand 20C because it's too hot.
Can't imagine what 40C feels like.
>use steam refunds on games that have no demos and I don't enjoy
>Steam sends a message saying I should stop abusing refunds
If a game has no demo, and I don't enjoy it, why in the flying fuck should I pay for it?
>>332374695
Funny how Ozzies made WiFi yet they all seem to have the world's shittiest connection
>>332378824
Wilikers, that's a barmy way a seeing the world.
>>332379162
Blame our ass-backwards government. Also, I've seen some ridiculous yanks that seem to think our pings are awful because of our internet and not because of how far we are from the US.
>>332379412
romanians is more farther from the US but I never have any lags issue when playing with them
your internet is shit
distance don't matter much when using the internet dumbfuck
Valve deserves after putting the prices at Australian prices and keeping it in USD making us pay an extra 30% because of conversation, either give us Australian prices with AUD or set the prices at US and charge us USD don't fuck us in the ass.
>>332374695
You can literally have all that shit back, but good luck with wi-fi without american internet
I imagine the quick-fix Valve will implement is to relax the 2 hour/14 day refund rule for Australians when they pick "The game doesn't work" as a refund reason.
Legal compliance is all about making the quickest fixes possible. No one wants to actually spend money or cause the loss of money over legal nonsense.
>>332370306
>Implying this isn't all just part of a new TF2 ARG.
Real question, as I am not at all sure how law works internationally.
Let's assume Valve completely loses their shit in some alternate reality that could never occur. They stop selling games in Australia, ignore lawsuits from Aus, and ignore all communication from Aus. Maybe, just maybe, they also ban every single Aus user from steam and leave them without their games. Further lawsuits started in Aus aren't even acknowledged.
What could Australia actually do in such a situation? Is there an international court? Is there some way to bring the beef to America and get the company straighten out by force on it's own shores?
>>332380003
no, which is starbucks don't even give a shit about their current legal tax issues with the British government
>>332380003
nothing really. Except the part where they basically steal all of the Australian's games. That's theft, it doesn't even matter that they say you're only 'renting' the games from them. They'd get sued for that shit.
>>332380003
On the far end, if this was a big enough issue, Australia could issue sanctions to America. Like they stop supplying coal until American Government tells their business to pull the finger out, that would probably piss off way more people, in both countries, than Video Games ever could, so it's not viable here, but it is an option.
On the low end, they could just ask politely and the American Government would likely do tell them to sort their shit out because they don't want the above happening any more than Australians do, but they'd be liable if it did go through because the Aus Gov is just supporting its citizens / following it's laws.
Also there are probably international agreements (The TPP is basically one, only it allows the opposite, International Corporations to sue overseas Governments) stretching back that covers it.
But i mean, Valve wouldn't even do that because as small as the Australian market is relative to EU/America, it's still probably a couple billion a year and this is like a few million to settle.
>>332380319
That's my point thought. What if they outright ignored suits even for theft? Pretend AUS doesn't exist.
>>332380410
It's hard to imagine Valve could cause such a drastic consequence. Then again, if there was a mass consumer revolt after a theoretical nation wide IP ban..
Thank you.
>>332380673
Like i said, it's not really viable. But that's probably one of their only options, i mean even if this was a much much bigger issue i doubt it would be viable simply because America is America and any other country isn't America.
They'd probably lose out far more than America ever could from trade sanctions.
Also, Valve or any company would probably get massive amounts of negative press from such a move it just wouldn't be viable to cut ties completely.
>>332380673
Then the American government would get sued by Australia. I guess you're asking who'd force the American government to pay? No one would, but their credibility would drop again and even less countries would bother trading with them, knowing they'd harbour companies that would steal from other countries.
>>332380914
>>332380917
So it's in the US's interest to kick Valve in the jimmies in the event they go shittarded insane.
That's fun to know.
>>332370306
Let me get it right, now Valve has to
1) Implement refunds (already done)
2) Pay up to the kangaroo court
3) Set up a bunch of contact bullshit that benefits one specific country at their expenses
>>332381116
>3) Set up a bunch of contact bullshit that benefits one specific country at their expenses
They already do this for literally every country EXCEPT Australia.
>>332381116
Yes. Or not do business in Australia. Honestly, despite the annoying shit they'd have to do to cater to our government, they'd still get at least a billion a year if they did it.
>>332381116
They have to set up BETTER refunds that conform to Australian Consumer Law if they want to sell to Australian Consumers.
That 2 hours / 14 days thing is a breach of our laws. Not to mention all the other, vaguer shit in the laws in regards to 'Quality of the product' and whether or not curators / reviews constitute a statement from Valve as to the quality / content of the game. Because that's also in the law, anything you say, or present to a consumer is legally binding, if they find it is not true then they are entitled to a 100% refund on the spot, no qualms or arguments.
>>332381210
I doubt any other country asks for a PO box. Maybe some other ass backwards euro country.
>>332372638
Like origin or uplay or star-something?
Or capsule?
It's been 12 years.
12 fucking years since steam went up.
And there are no alternatives to it.
Do you really think there will be an alternative to steam?
A small kernel of relief for an industry that's completely gouging us in Australia.
And don't give me that minimum wage bullshit argument. Our prices here consistent to what you pay in USD for almost every industry except the big gap in gaming.
>>332370306
Valve should just stop selling games to australians. Stop dealing with their shitty court systems and remove a good 25% of shitters in F2P Valve games. Win win for everyone.
>>332381252
>implying
they get only a few hundred thousands, with only 1/3 of that goes to them.
not enough to even bother with aussie shit
>tfw we're right on the precipice of even relatively small corporations like Valve being able to tell governments to fuck off.
What a time to be alive.
>>332380914
>Also, Valve or any company would probably get massive amounts of negative press from such a move it just wouldn't be viable to cut ties completely.
This would be the most likely outcome, "shaming" is a very real and widely used legal tactic for such matters.
International LAW pretty much boils down to school yard threats of "or else", naming and shaming, or ganging up and laying the smack down, because that's ultimately all that really motivates people.
>>332381293
RIP curators you will not be missed
>>332381460
I don't understand posts like this, why would you, a consumer, be AGAINST pro-consumer laws and regulations that would only benefit you and prevent Jew companies from scamming you?
I would have thought /v/ to be the other way around.
>>332370306
Do Australians hate video games?
>>332381541
Americans literally get their dicks cut off at birth in a Jewish ceremony.
They're cucked by corporate kikes from cradle to the grave brah.
>>332381541
/v/ and the online community hate australians more than gabe
who knew?
>>332381541
What exactly is it that you don't you understand about children talking about things they have no idea about?
>>332381565
No, we're just not anti-consumer Jews. It's sad that this is a difficult concept for Americucks to understand, you're probably so used to being fucked over by corporations.
>>332381541
it's simple anon.
They just really hate Australians
>>332381659
>Hating Australians for trying to make your Jew companies follow fair and pro-consumer laws that benefit you
>>332381681
They're born and raised to be fucked over by corporations, they literally worship the things.
I didn't take the time to read through the entirety of this thread.
While I'm on the side of the ACL in principle, it feels like they are arguing on antiquated grounds. Is a 1800 number and a PO Box address actually going to help with valve customers who have a complaint?
>>332381774
>Is a 1800 number and a PO Box address actually going to help with valve customers who have a complaint?
Australian customers yeah.
Have you actually tried getting through to Valve on a non-form issue? It takes days if not weeks, a 1800 number would mean they need it staffed, but it also means any customer can contact them and get their shit sorted faster than Valves equally antiquated 'contact' system.
PO Box is pretty retarded though.
>>332381750
>implying we give a shit about both of you
>implying we are not just happy you kangaroofuckers get your comeuppance by getting assraped by the fat jew
>>332381565
>>332381714
>>332381659
>>332381891
I thought foreigners being unable to handle the banter was just a meme
>>332381714
we're not Canadian, German or NZ so I can't gather why we're hated.
>>332381891
You don't want the right to refund a game?
>>332381681
Lol what Americans have the best credit and fraud protection rights in the world. They can charge back for anything and their banks will front the charges if shit gets stolen
>>332381541
Because they only help Australians and even then, I doubt it will actually help them much on top of Valve having to charge someone for the Australia specific expenses.
>>332373952
>guys DRM isn't that bad you just have to pee in a cup and send it in proving you registered the game to your DNA
>>332381965
already have the ability, with no help from your kind.
I really fucking hope Valve and GabeN just get the balls to block Aussie IPs and claim they're ceasing all operations in Australia.
Bunch of whiny birdfuckers.
>>332381923
How does it feel to live in a country where your government is a parasitic leech against a company providing a service in a market with multiple alternatives?
Not that I'd expect the offspring of convicts to have scruples.
>>332382053
> 2 hours.
Kek. When this goes through you're gonna get unlimited / 2 weeks.
You're welcome.
>>332381925
Americucks hate us for being white.
>>332382108
I'm sorry our country refuses to be assraped by corporate monopolies and actually takes a stand. Sorry we won't fall in line with the rest of you cucks and take our dicking with a smile.
>>332373512
China does it.
>>332382108
> Company breaks the law of the country they operate in.
> Hey man, could you not break the law.
> PARASITES! STIFLING A CORPS RIGHT TO FUCK ME IN THE ASS!
>>332382053
they only put in refunds because we took them to task over it. You're lucky we're not making you pray to our glorious white country for the gifts we bestow
>>332382232
>not assraped by corporations
How's that shitternet treating you, "mate?" Or are you just happy to have a choice between several different 128kbps connections from different companies?
>>332382232
>>332382262
>Americucks are seriously defending this
>Just like they were against refunds
I seriously cannot understand these fucking people. Why do they hate themselves so much?
>>332378824
I know a guy who moved to Australia from Sweden. He says he's never felt as cold in his life as he did after he moved there, because the houses are designed to shed heat rather than trap it. So the -3c Australian winters feel colder than those in Sweden for him, just because of that lack of insulation.
>>332382374
Some are shitposters. Some are brainwashed by 'trickle down economics' meme and thus believe if they defend a company online they'll get some of their money.
They're LITERALLY White Knights, but instead of sex they expect corporations to help their economy (kek).
>>332382479
Make sense, these are the same people screaming "YOU'RE A WHITE FUCKING MALE"
>>332372628
>Waah USD is 1 AUD so why are prices higher
>Waaah AUD is crap vs USD so our min wage isn't very good
>>332382207
I sincerely hope diversification gets shot.
>>332382407
>So the -3c Australian winters
Did he move into a shack at the top of a mountain?
The average winter temperature for Australia is something like 15°C.
Kinda weird how you can just sue people for not following your country's laws when they have no association with you. Is North Korea going to sue Valve next because their games violate their "no independent thought" policy?
Just an observation.
>>332382798
But Steam sells games to Australians. That's an association right there and that's why the Australian government can sue them.
>>332382798
>when they have no association with you
Wat. Their association with us is that they sell us products.
>>332379567
hey retard,what is ping?
Distance MATTERS...
>>332379567
>distance don't matter much when using the internet dumbfuck
>>332382798
> Sells products to someone.
> Not assosciated.
They make literally hundreds of millions of dollars from Australian sales. Possibly +1bn.
In what world could you see this as 'no assosciation.'
>>332379567
Then how come when Amerifats join our Aus servers, they have 400 ping.
>>332382863
How is an online store supposed to restrict the purchase of a non-physical item by country?
There is no reliable way to do so besides maybe saying "please don't use our store if you live in X country".
>>332379567
You do realize that 'ping' is literally the time it takes for data to travel across countries right. You realize the internet is still mostly a bunch of fuckhuge wires under the seas that link the planet.
Fucking Americans jesus christ.
>>332383043
>How is an online store supposed to restrict the purchase of a non-physical item by country?
Actually Steam already does this. If a game is banned in a particular country, users from that country won't see it on Steam.
>>332383043
IP range ban and an official disclaimer that they do not sell to Australia. Then the government can't do shit to them.
>>332383043
Maybe don't take their money?
>>332383120
>Amerifat's face when
>>332383120
>>332382976
>>332382907
ping with German or Romania servers or player : 4-10
ping with stupid kangaroofuckers or huehues : >100+
face it, your and br internet is garbage
fibre using near light speed to transfer data so distance don't matter much
or did fucking wildfire destroy your highschool education?
>>332383179
They can't do anything anyways. Really the worst you can get is bad press if you tell the Aussie court to fuck off. What are they gonna do, extradite Gabe?
Would be kind of funny though.
>>332382798
It's hard to argue you don't do business with Australians when you have instituted Australia specific regional pricing and adhere to the region's ratings system. Not to mention that there are games being sold in retail stores in Australia require Steam.
No, Valve have deliberately put themselves into this position of being the dominant digital distributor for the planet and now they have to deal with the shit that comes with such a position. They can always pull out of these regions whose laws they have issue with if they want but then they have to accept that also means making less money. It's their choice.
>>332383358
Worst they can do is sue the American government and sell all of their nuclear material to North Korea because they hate Gabe that much.
Whats with all the asspained seppo cunts here?
Just joshing, you guys are tops
>yfw steam will get banned in Australia
>>332383358
>What are they gonna do
Ask the American Government politely, with the option to Sanction the entirety of America if they do not comply (Probably not gonna happen)
But i mean, they wouldn't even need the threat of sanctions, America and Australian Governments are bros, i doubt America would risk pissing off a major trading partner and the closest thing to 'home soil' other than Japan in the pacific so Gabe can stuff his fat face even more.
>>332383358
If worse came to worse, they'd close all trading with the US government and tell them to fuck off our land. Since the US doesn't want to lose it's only base in the South East Asian region they'd force Gabe to obey.
>>332383386
That's a fair observation, but what part of Australian law makes it legally binding to anyone outside Australia? I certainly was not involved in whatever legislative process produced it. Why should I have to abide by it? There is no legal basis for punitive action.
I get what all you anons are saying but this case will get nowhere fast. At worst Aussie anons won't be able to use Steam and that would be a shame.
>>332370306
And yet the ACCC has utterly refused to do anything about the countless instances of people raising their game's prices before sales to lie about the deal the consumer is getting, which is absolutely illegal in Australia.
What a bunch of useless fucking clowns.
>>332383639
>fine this random American company for doing something we don't like or we won't be your friends no more :(
Don't see that happening.
>>332383347
Romania has good internet... ?
>>332383781
>what part of Australian law makes it legally binding to anyone outside Australia?
The part that states that anyone that does business in Australia (as Steam is doing when they sell to Australians) is subject to Australian law. That's why every EULA in existence has a clause stating that the transaction is subject to both the company's country's law and the customer's country's law.
>>332372735
>eventually
lol okay.
>>332383958
they already have 1Gbps
how about you?
>>332384124
Yeah I googled it :/
Where do I sign up for citizenship?
>>332376497
affects me cunt when it's 40 degrees and my room gets the sun during the hottest part of the day.
windows and fans ain't shit compared to this inferno.
>>332383939
Literally all international politics boils down to schoolyard bullshit like that dude. Telling the teacher is appealing to the UN / America. Taking your toys and leaving is trade sanctions. War is beating up some kid you don't like.
But yeah, if America doesn't respect its trading partners that has repercussions for all international trade in America.
If it ever got to that point America would side with Australia because it would set precedent for such a massive FUCK YOU to every international ally America has it just would not be worth it.
I know i'd be less inclined to deal with American companies if the Government showed no respect for me, my business or my money and defended shitty business practices, so long as they're from American companies.
>>332374489
I agree. Refunds are problematic.
>>332384189
If you got one of those retarded walls that are 90% window put tin foil on it, shiny side facing outwards.
My room with a Television or PC on used to get to 48+ degrees, literally couldn't play games daily from 12-4.
>>332384401
you're problematic cunt
>>332383781
>but what part of Australian law makes it legally binding to anyone outside Australia?
The fact you are doing business in a country makes you subject to their laws. This is not just Australia but any country in the world.
>>332384426
nope. just a standard double window that's covered by a outside blind anyway along with interior shutters and curtains.
shit's fucked.
never knew seppos were such hardcore wageslave companycucks
Who are these refundfags, anyway?
Who buys a game on steam then demands a refund because they were dazzled by marketing?
Rubes, that's who.
>>332383781
>but what part of Australian law makes it legally binding to anyone outside Australia?
International trade agreements.
Otherwise, and it's doubtful it would ever happen over something like this, hostile action against America is what takes place if they fail to reign in the infringing company at our request. Things like trade sanctions, embargoes, war, etc.
>At worst Aussie anons won't be able to use Steam and that would be a shame.
I doubt that will happen. Valve likes to be a bitch about things but they always fold eventually. Australia is not all that large a source of revenue for Valve but it is probably enough of one to acquiesce. They already have different rules for different regions as it is now.
>>332384495
I'm surprised people are so baffled by this, like that guy who went to north korea and tried to steal a propaganda poster or whatever
>>332384698
Thats just American stupidity at its finest. The dumb cunt deserves to break rocks for 30 years, thinking their laws wouldnt affect him
