ITT: Great games with god-awful stories.
>>332335353
>FE14
>great
>>332335546
What's so bad about it compared to past Fire Emblem games?
>inb4 waifu emblem
>>332335546
The gameplay is great. Even the Hoshido maps are an improvement compared to Awakening's flatlands. The story for the entirety of the game is terrible though. The terrible localization just exacerbates it.
>>332336943
Im not saying the story is great but whats really wrong with it?
I havent been paying much attention to it because not a lot of interesting stuff has happened so far but I dont see it as bad
>>332337935
Are you playing Conquest or Birthright
>>332335546
This.
>>332335546
>Conquest
>not great
It's literally one of the best FE's to date. Even more considering it's one of the new wave waifu pandering FE's. Awakening, Birthright and Revelations can't even compare
>>332337935
Hoshido side is literally forced drama. Characters that have obvious death flags suddenly get attention in a chapter or two before their deaths. Otherwise, some deaths are meaningless and unnecessarylike Flora. That's just one example. Meanwhile in the Nohr side, a lot of plot elements that were introduced later on are pretty much forgotten or unexplained (like the invaders, for example) because the asswipe of a writer assumes you either played Hoshido first or you're going to play Hoshido later. It's just not a good standalone story and it's meant to complement. It's just a cheap way of trying to get you to buy both games.
It ain't THAT bad. Not good, but I've seen far worse.
>>332338313
Also Corrin and Azura are the fucking worst in Nohr
I'd never thought that there would be a main character that is more unlikable than Micaiah, but Corrin takes the take. At least Micaiah being a weak leader is justified while Corrin just goes around crying like a little bitch.
Azura was behind it all. That dance didn't reveal shit, it was what cursed Garon and turned him into slime. Azura then "dropped" the view-stone to cover up her tracks. She orchestrated the entire bloody war for her own goals, then dipped out at the end once you'd done all the dirty work.I've only played Conquest and don't intend to play the others
>>332338313
>Hoshido side is literally forced drama.
Fucking this. Your mother dying in the first 5 chapters has to be the most forced shit I've ever seen. At least Emmeryn's death had some impact because you got to know her longer (despite her character not really that well developed). Mikoto was just "hey you're supposed to like her because she's nice and she's your mom".
>>332336943
>using awakening as a frame of reference
wew lad
>>332335353
>tfw didn't want to buy it because censored shit
>but apparently the games are some of the best FEs
>after a month of holding on, cave in and buy ut
>mfw chapter 9 where you need to hold out for 11 turns
Intsys doesn't deserve that god awful NoA translation
>>332335353
Dark Souls
Bloodborne
>>332338856
Because the game's so bad that you have to compare it to the lowest bar.
>>332338809
The first 6 chapters are the same for both sides you banana
>>332338889
It's a better version of Elincia's Gambit, in my opinion. At least in this one, you didn't have three broken fliers in your team.
>>332338803
That would actually be a pretty decent twist.
Every Fire Emblem except for 13 and 14. Because those were bad.
>>332337935
havent played Birthright or Revelations but theres a ton of retarded issues with conquest. My complaints
>The villian
I know I know its FE but after 13 fucking games we still cant get a legitimate fucking villian. its always some "MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH IM EVIL? WHY? BECAUSE I JUST AM MWAHAHAWAW
>fucking corrin
god what a horrid protagonist. His logic and thought process is god awful. The fucking guy who kidnapped me is being controlled by a slime monster? And the only proof I have suddenly breaks as soon as you show me? Well shit I better conquer hoshido and make my crazy dad sit in a thrown to show everyone he's possessed :^)
>pacing of the story
how things just happen and go unexplained, or alternatively how everyones cool with it. In the first five fucking chapters you find out your fucking maid is a dragon who can create pocket dimensions, you get kidnapped, you kill your birth mother along with tons of Hoshidans, burn their city, turning into a FUCKING DRAGON and everyone shrugs all this shit off
All the other royals are fucking retarded and oblivous to the fact their dad is evil
If it wasnt for the map design and gameplay I wouldve shot myself by now
>>332339113
Whoops, didn't mean to quote the Hoshido part. Just saying that the whole thing is forced drama. Even Conquest had its share.
Why does nobody care about Azura? She was a princess of Nohr, too, right? And raised as a sibling to the Hoshidans? But nobody gives a fuck which side she chooses.
also, fuck Takumi.
>I don't trust you for a second, trying to pretend like you're one of us
>pick nohr
>how dare you betray us you traitor you were my brother!!!!
>>332339159
>three
Marcia wasn't THAT good, unless you're talking about Leanne or Nealuchi.
I don't get the "fe:if has good maps and gameplay" meme
>>332339245
>I know I know its FE but after 13 fucking games we still cant get a legitimate fucking villian. its always some "MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH IM EVIL? WHY? BECAUSE I JUST AM MWAHAHAWAW
Pretty sure Sephiran and Alvis break the mold.
>>332339159
I love how they specifically design the later enemy waves to fuck you over if you've been turtling with defensive stance with shit like paired up fliers and defense/offence seals
and then takumi using the dragon vein to take away all your chokepoints and just fuck your shit up. I love
>>332335353
>>332339018
kaboom
>>332339407
I always gave her PoR bonuses, so she's up there with Haar for me.
>>332339419
Conquest objectively has the best map design/mission objectives in the entire series
>>332335353
Incomprehensible at times.
Can an RPG really be called great if it's story is dog shit?
>>332339707
who the fuck plays RPGs for the story
>>332339513
The map has a lot of optional things going for it, which makes it better. If you're ballsy and lucky, you can try to take out Takumi before he dries up the river.
>>332339757
I-I do, senpai
>>332339707
Yes.
>>332339284
because she doens't know how to fight who cares. shes not useful in a war
>>332339595
That would make sense. PoR bonuses + jacking Geoffrey's brave lance from him would make Marcia a beast. Even that might not be necessary.
>devs make Phoenix mode so all the casuals can enjoy the story and don't deal with this annoying thing called "gameplay"
>the story is dogshit
JUST
>>332335353
even serenes faggots can write a better story
>>332339950
>when the game was first revealed Nintendo stated they heard fan complaints about the story in Awakening and bought some famous manga writer whose name I cant remember to write the script
heh
>>332340185
>he wrote like 500 pages
>they clearly threw almost all of it out
if I was that dude, I'd be pissed.
>>332335353
>games that have awful stories
>becomes "fe14 is bad" thread
>>332340185
Apparently Kaze's avoidable death in Birthright was a holdover from supports serving more story importance. I get the feeling splitting this up into three games really made a lot of the components underbaked. I'm having fun, but I would rather have one solid experience than three flawed ones.
>>332340097
The story in that one FE mod with Edgelord Kelik was better.
>>332340446
the key word here is "good"
>>332340512
the last promise
it was pretty
>>332340512
>>332340629
>Fates story is so bad that it made the Last Promise look good in comparison.
>>332339245
>"The story was bad because of these exaggerations and lies"
This is why discussing the story is impossible,.Almost every JRPG I played during the 7th gen had a much worse story than Fates has and were formulaic.
Conquest is a pretty solid story and it's a unique scenario where the situation Corrin is placed into also mirrors the challenging gameplay. Corrin is not in an easy position so even the best choices require sacrifices.
>>332340264
I'm betting a lot of it was even more tremendous horseshit than what we had now.
>>332339707
If you were to give up on story or gameplay, would you rather play Etrian Odyssey or Final Fantasy XIII?
>>332339707
Most RPGs have dogshit stories so yeah, it's the gameplay that save them. Why do you think Fire Emblem has the start button skip ALL the dialogue in a scene?
The way the children are shoehorned in the story has to be the biggest bullshit I've ever seen pulled out of the writer's ass. Why are children even back? It made sense in Awakening because it was supposed to be the last game and they wanted to combine all the previous games' gimmicks into one game. Was it because it was popular?
>>332341437
Fates massively improved the child mechanic and it's even better implemented than FE4s. Who cares how it's written if the game mechanic is good? Why should the fucking story prevent the gameplay being improved?
>>332341437
Yes
>>332341730
How was it improved? Seemed pretty much the same to me, except it didn't make a lick of sense in-game.
>>332340971
>exaggerations and lies
where did he lie
>Conquest is a pretty solid story
oh wait your shitposting I get it now
>>332339245
you forgot the retarded children explanation bullshit
>shit I shouldnt have came in you
>lets get corrins dragon made to stuff our kid into a pocket dimension
>we've been battling a little lets go check on that toddler in another dimension
>oh shit what the fuck he's nearly the same age as me now
>>332335353
>conquest is good meme
fuck off awakening fags. It's just as shit as the rest.
>>332341437
The franchise is dead and has no integrity. it's just pandering to make up to lazy/non-existent game design.
>>332339245
>I know I know its FE but after 13 fucking games we still cant get a legitimate fucking villian. its always some "MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH IM EVIL? WHY? BECAUSE I JUST AM MWAHAHAWAW
go play FE8 Eirika's route and be sure to get her pre combat dialog with all the bosses
>>332341437
I'd rather have a second, fully fleshed out campaign set in the future in which your character's child is the main character and the rest of the children are recruitable along the way.
I hope this is the direction they'll take for the next game. The eugenics are too fun to give up on but having kids and their parents fight alongside just doesn't feel right.
>>332342298
They should have made at least one of the children ACTUALLY older than their parents. Like, imagine you go to pick up Ignatius and he's 70.
>>332342695
Don't bother. casuals have made up their mind and will only play the games once and rush though them.
>>332342695
>>332342875
>1 game out of 14 makes it okay
lol
>>332340446
feel free to talk about something else instead of just complaining
>>332342695
>>332342875
>hurr hur 1 game did it
yeah and 13 others didnt go figure
>>332342298
How do they skip the pregnancy, though?
Do they take 9 months break from advancing the story every time someone hits the S rank?
>>332342968
> admits fates is 1 game
> thinks it's actually just 8
lol
>>332342968
>>332343049
I was trying to turn you on to something I liked, not thumb my nose and yell YOU'RE WRONG
>>332343112
I was fucking wondering this too
shit makes no sense
>>332335353
Holy fuck, I'm glad I'm not the only one. I just started and I am digging the gameplay, by my god, the story is abysmal.
>The Nohrians don't attack us as long as mother keeps the barrier up!
>you will NEVER. GUESS. WHO. JUST. DIED!
>That lady I met a few hours ago who just died made me SO MAD I TURNED INTO A DRAGON!
>>332342968
>>332343049
hi samefag
>>332343252
whatever you say grandpa. go play FE4 faggot
>>332340474
Too bad, you bought it, and now Fire Emblem will forever be split for no damn reason
>>332341819
>>332341437
>>332342734
>How was it improved?
>1. The sidequest generates as soon as the characters marry(so you don't have to wait x chapters)
>2. The sidequest level scales to your gameplay progression so that you can complete them at any point in the game.
>3. The children's level scales with your progression in the game so that they're always usable.
>4. Unlike Genealogy there isn't a fixed point so you can recruit the children as slowly or quickly as you want and due to level scaling they'll always be usable.
I seriously wouldn't care if the stork brung them because the mechanic is now the best it has ever been because of their decision to include and update it.
I've been a fan of Fire Emblem since 2003 and honestly starting to resent storyfags the most the sort that are blind to and try to prevent this kind of gameplay improvement. they're the worst thing about the fanbase.
The story shouldn't be the be all end all or ever dictate the gameplay mechanics.
>>332343249
>>332343112
as I understand it, time passes slowly in the pocket dimension. It's a hyperbolic time chamber, basically. The time spent in My Castle also doesn't affect the time spent in the real world, so they fool around and have goofy times and knock eachother up, etc, then go into the pocket dimension to be pregnant and shit. Have a kid, raise it a bit, and come back every once in a while to check in on it. Some parents do this more often than the others. Xander apparently arranged for tutors for his son, even.
>>332343380
I'm well aware /v/ is a cesspool of underage autistic redditors like yourself and only useful as a dedicated shitposting board. No need to call me grandpa like it's any different than crying "it's the current year! times have changed!"
And the sequel.
>>332343515
Here's a better idea: don't have the fucking children.
Or make them both separate campaigns.
>>332343515
I guess I didn't even notice those, since I got all the kids around the halfway point, roughly the same time I got them all in Awakening. But that's cool, it's the same system but better.
I still wish they had been able to work them into the story in some way, though. Or what if they did it where you had 20~ chapters to raise your supports, then time skip, and now you get all the child units, and your 1st gen units have changed portraits because they're older, and you play the other 20 chapters? Obviously in this case we're absorbing paralogues into proper story missions, so it's not really asking too much. They already pack 40+ maps into the game already.
>>332343803
>Here's a better idea: don't have the fucking children. Or make them both separate campaigns.
.
That's the exact mindset that I said was the absolute worst >>332343515 . Did you even read before replying?
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>>332343515
>they'll always be usable.
Except most of them are shit and bad at any point in the game.
And then you have cases like Hisame and Shiro who are surrounded by enemies, but will stop gaining levels past 20 base so they can die super easily because the whole mechanic was super rushed and poorly thought out.
Yeah the story shouldn't dictate the gameplay mechanics, but the two compliment each other and not bash their fucking heads together and make one a whole hell of a lot worse.
>>332343996
Yes, children are cancer because they attract the wrong crowd.Eugenicists
>>332343643
Great characters, but terrible plots.
>>332343484
Japan loves split versions
>>332335353
>>332339757
Gameplay can't carry RPGs in its entirety. If that was the case, Star Ocean 4 wouldn't be laughable garbage like it was, since the gameplay was pretty fucking solid. Everything else, however, was literally bottom of the barrel.
Bravely Default.
>>332343484
If there was no Conquest, people would be bitching about FE becoming a complete grindfest.
It's not that the story is worth being experienced from both sides. You shouldn't really be complaining about the split unless you compulsively need to play both Birthright and Conquest. In which case you should actually be happy they released 2 different games at the same time and topped it off with a third one which is basically a remix of the both.
>>332344153
>Except most of them are shit and bad at any point in the game.
No they aren't, especially above level 20 they're some of the best balanced units who join late in the game in the entire series.
They scale yet they're more suitable for the point the join than the majority of units in the series as a whole. In Conquest Lunatic my final party was half my best 1st gen and the other half were their children(the weaker parent of some were benched for the children).
>>332344916
>Gameplay can't carry RPGs in its entirety
>>332345432
Again, explain why SO4 was so shitty then. The gameplay was fine, quite fun in fact, but it was still a total piece of shit. And that was because the other parts it tried to incorporate were so terrible. Etrian doesn't even really bother with story, perhaps because they know they would do a bad job of it, or perhaps because they just don't care to add it in. Either way, that minimalist approach works for it, because you're never really expecting anything to develop from the plot.
Most RPGs at least give the story a shot, and in those cases, it needs to at least be passable. If it is incredibly horrible, then the best gameplay in the world isn't going to cover that blemish. Which is why Fates is always going to be a low tier, shitty Fire Emblem, despite Conquest having some pretty damn solid gameplay. They actually tried to make a story, and failed miserably at it. It would have been better if they didn't even bother, like Etrian, if this was their idea of good writing.
If someone wants a game where a young upstart rebels against a tyrannical dictator, with multiple routes, just pick up Tactics Ogre. At least you'll get a competent game all around, and at the price of a single game, rather than 2.5.
>>332346575
I never played SO4 but since you're so fixated on it, I'd assume that the sheer volume of bad storytelling in it might be the factor.
Good RPGs that rely more on gameplay don't overdo the exposition.
>>332344916
>Gameplay can't carry RPGs in its entirety
>what is SMT?
>>332348213
SMT does rely on the story though.
That's pretty much the only thing that keeps some of the oldest instalments even remotely relevant to this day.
