WHAT IF
http://gamingbolt.com/nintendo-nx-mega-leak-specs-controller-handheld-better-performance-than-ps4-and-more
Then nintendo would win
this fucking wii u is garbage and the 3ds isn't getting any more good games. I really hope they also drop the amiibo shit
A man can dream
>>332260451
Any source that has high specs for it is likely bullshit. Nintendo learned their lesson.
>>332260682
but can it outperform PS4K?
>>332260879
>Nintendo learned their lesson
What does this has to do with having up to date hardware?
Only a bit more powerful?
>>332260627
>more powerful console will win
PC still remains top.
>>332261094
If it can play third parties at 1080p @60fps then there's no need for anything more powerful atm.
>>332260451
>the entire controller surface is a screen, and the shoulder buttons are scroll wheels, that can also be clicked
Welp, I'm done with Nintendo and it's stupidity.
>>332260451
Can't wait for the NX to cost $500+
Can't you nerds be paitent?
>>332261487
>If it can play third parties at 1080p @60fps
Right up until they start shoving MORE shit on the screen and drop it back down to 30fps.
I hope this is true.
Having a console that can play Nintendo games and all 3rd party games that PS/Xbox gets is all I'm asking for.
>>332261798
If that is the case it will be a PS4 that cost $500 and has even less games.
>>332261976
well, if it's for third parties we can just hope to have regular controllers like Pro controller and such.
Also i'm hoping for an improved version of the gamepad, being capacitive, 1080p and being optional for most games would be pretty awesome
>>332262291
>being capacitive
The least important improvement they need to make.
>>332261094
To be fair at that point the best you can hope for is better framerates for more complex visuals, which is what PC's advantage is over PS4. Whatever effects are supported by the latest AMD GPUs will be a given and that's pretty much it.
Mario and Zelda will be monstrous on this machine relatively speaking but as far as what 3rd parties can do, who knows?
>>332262641
>>332260451
Hell if the NX could display FIFA and the usual sports games with equal or greater detail than the competitors, it would sell like crazy in mexico/latin america.
>>332260451
>WHAT IF
"The Nintendo NX is something that will probably delight core gamers worldwide- it is, in the developer’s words, a response to everyone who has ever wished for a traditional Nintendo console to go up against the PlayStation 4 and the Xbox One."
I'd be soooo happy /v/. Just one last fucking good console. i don't care if nintendo stops making good shit after this. I just want one more stellar fucking console with stellar games that aren't total PC garbage.
>ARM
Goodbye
>The Nintendo NX uses an ARM architecture
Trash.
>>332260451
>another NX """""""""rumor""""""""" thread
WIth those specs, no fucking way it will sell reasonable. That shit is gonna run for 700 of my bison bucks for fucking nothing.
>The leaker pointed out that the recent leaks were very obviously false; that said, he did credit them for getting some stuff right: for instance, the entire controller surface is a screen, and the shoulder buttons are scroll wheels, that can also be clicked
OH NO.
>With that out of the way, the leaked controllers’ most controversial elements- the oval shape, the touch only controls- are all false. The NX controller seems to be rectangular in shape, and has a physical Dpad, physical shoulder buttons and triggers, physical face buttons, and two full blown analog sticks, as opposed to nubs or sliders
OH YES?
So imagine if the surface of the pro controller was a screen.
Yes? No?
Keeping physical buttons regardless = I want this to be true.
>>332260451
>the shoulder buttons are scroll wheels, that can also be clicked
this sounds like a recipe for disaster
>>332263462
>>332263583
>I wanted ports/rehashes and other lazy western dev shit
Literally the only reason why you wouldn't be okay with Arm. Well, that and total fucking ignorance.
>>332263652
Then which specs would you suggest?
An i mean, remember this is a console that only needs to play 1080p at decent framerates
>>332263760
No, that's actually a improvement I am surprised took this long to happen. Shoulder buttons with extra use doesn't hurt, it only adds.
>>332263761
Enjoy having glorified mobile phone games and no triple-A third party support.
>>332263876
>He still thinks it isn't exactly a mobile device
Holy shit. You people exist?
>>332260451
COST BREAKDOWN:
GDDR5 is expensive.
8GB of GDDR5 is hella expensive.
Also expensive: 1080P capacitive LCD screens. LCD screens that go under buttons.
One more big price tag: the battery in the controller. If it's powering a 1080P screen, it's going to need more heft than the Wii U's battery... and it has less space to work with.
Onto the good news: ARM SoCs are cheap as fuck--they could definitely jam a midtier one in the controller no problem. The console is also only paying for the graphics card. Again, ARM SoCs are cheap af. The broadcom chip isn't very expensive either.
Based on cost alone, I'd give the feasibility of this system at a supposed $400 price point a 6/10. It's not impossible, but it's hard. 3/10 if we're betting on a $300 price point to undercut the PS4.
Also, if this were true,I would fully expect a 3DS successor that is basically NX's controller with a second screen in a clamshell design and a beefier ARM SoC that can power 1080p.
>>332264009
On price point, I can see them trying to undercut the PS4K before it drops, expecting it to be $500, with the NX being $400 so it can look more appealing with the PS4K drops.
>>332260451
Reminder this is the guy who thinks DDR5 ram is a thing and specifically said it wasn't GDDR5 when asked
>>332263583
>>332263462
You guys know that porting from x86 to ARM can be done without too much of a hassle, right? Optimization for the NX is what would be hard to do, like dual screen and such.
But people who buy third parties literally dont give a shit about those characteristics, so i see no problem here
>>332264254
I do not expect Sony to sell the PS4K for more than $400 except as part of some kind of VR bundle. My understanding is it is basically just two of the same graphics part married to each other.
If it does release in the same window, it will make Nintendo's life harder, not easier.
Better performance than PS4? So stable 25fps?
>>332264702
Difference is that as a company Nintendo has always valued high framerates.
A lot of their first party runs at or around 60
Every Nintendo system is claimed to be more powerful than it is ever shown to be during it's lifetime. You will get Angry Birds and you will like it.
>>332264617
All the PS4K is is the system but with the capability to play the new 4K blu rays. It'll probably have display port
>>332264854
The sound of a scared sonyfag
>>332264009
>>332264254
>>332264617
Don't forget that nintendo always sells consoles at a profit, while sony is fine with taking a loss
>>332264986
Strategy may be different this time
What's the point of using a shared pool of GDDR5 if close to half of it is going to be hogged by the Netflix+Normalfag OS?
>>332264839
I'm well aware of that, however them ensuing their games run at stable and high framerates has fuck all to do with their console hardware.
>>332264986
>while Sony is fine with taking a loss
Not after PS3 they aren't.
>>332265086
What do you mean?
Anyone remember the Wii U rumors how it was supposed to be so powerful. Then the specs got releases and we laughed
>>332265058
>netflix and normalfag OS occupies half of the capacity
>8Gb GDDR5/2
>4Gb GDDR5 is not enough
Wat.
It runs at 1080p
>>332260682
It's bullshit, because it then goes on to say that the controller screen will also be 1080p.
It's not going to be a 'little more powerful' than the PS4 and be able to running two 1080p screens.
>>332264986
Agree, and I am trying to think about if they can get under $400.
They do save a lot by not having to front R&D on a brand new x86 and then buy it in volume. But a 1080p capacitive touch screen, some kind of screen implemented underneath the buttons, and 8GB of GDDR5 RAM? Even if the graphics part itself is PowerVR I think they are overbudget.
>>332264617
The PS4K, unless Sony actually thinks they can support it more exclusively, will be seen as a luxury item. Like a N3DS system is.
"Why buy a N3DS? Just for Xenoblade?"
"No, because it runs games faster and better"
"Ok, but I'm not going to pay $200 just to run a game better or faster."
Same concept here. The PS4K is going to be expensive because its a upgrade to the PS4, but most people won't spend that kind of money just to play games in 4k resolution. Deep down, Sony knows the PS4K IS NOT going to sell PS4 levels right off the bat. In a way, its to answer anybody that has still been waiting on buying a PS4 at all, as if to say "well you waited, now you can buy the PS4K instead!". And its going to be more expensive then the PS4 because after all "its a upgrade. Its the same thing, but better." And normally a price drop happens NOT because a replacement comes out, but because the system sales peaked. Its a attempt to keep the sales momentum going. The PS4 really hasn't lost any sales momentum, which is still crazy even now that it is selling so fast still.
>>332265265
Yeah, the early rumors had the Wii U CPU being a four-core POWER7.
>>332264921
>Last Sony console: PS2
The sound of a scared Nintoddler.
>>332265128
The loss margin for the PS4 is much less then the PS3, but its still there.
>CPU
>GPU
>same die
and its garbage PURE GARBAGE
>>332265231
Nintendo optimize their games. You can make any game run at 60 fps on shitty hardware. When it comes to third party titles you're shit out of luck though. Even if the NX is more powerful than a PS4, there's little reason to expect high framerates from it.
>>332265510
At launch Sony need 1 game to be sold with the PS4 to make a profit on the unit. After 3 months they were making money on every unit sold.
>>332265512
thats what intel has been doing for nearly 10 years and even people like carmack have nothing but good things to say about it
>>332265401
It could go that way. But I expect Sony will play a smarter game and sell it at the same price as the PS4, with the PS4 getting a modest price dip.
They are also trying to sell a $500 VR bundle. I can't imagine they would allow that and the PS4K to combine into the dreaded four-figure territory. Imagine the PR nightmare: all you need for VR gaming for just $1000+
>It's an NX rumor episode
>>332265601
>intell integreated graphics
they are garbage there is a eason everyone runs a GPU in their intel machines and usually runs a xeon over the i series
>>332260451
>All this NX damage control
>i-it's totally 100x more powerful than PS4 and PC and you can carry it in your pocket and you can play half life 3 on it and you can play every exclusive ever and it's not sony!?
>>332265510
Hasn't been there for years, pal. After watching Nintendo pocket like $12 billion selling an overclocked Gamecube with a gyro mouse, Sony and Microsoft are never going to do what they did on PS360 ever again.
>>332265810
Lol nice shitposting brah
>>332265336
No, I'm asking why incur the cost of using entirely GDDR5 when so much of the memory is just used for background functions and not games.
>>332265661
Yeah, it really does make more sense now that you say this, to bundle the VR with the PS4K. If you were to compare the VR race to a actual race, the PS4K would be like Morpheous purposefully injecting himself with steroids in order to try and outrun the Oculus Rift. It would make sense to try and bundle it all into a $500 set.
>>332265661
When you look at the cost of the other VR headsets, along with the kinds of PC components they are generally recommending, $1000 sounds about right.
>>332265884
not him and I love my nintendo shit but he is right, its going to be a shittier ps4 with less features
just hoping for it havinggoodgames
I'm not going to believe anything till it's officially announced. The wii u was originally rumored to be more powerful as well, and we know that was a lie.
>>332266263
>ps4 with less features
That sounds great. If all it does it start a game up when I press "power", that would be preferable.
>>332265931
Honestly, to perform at the level of the PS4 with an ARM chip, 8GB GDDR5 is non-negotiable.
ARM SoCs have advanced a lot but Mali doesn't come out of the gate with PS4 levels of performance. Even Apple's finely-tailored PowerVR stuff can't do that right now. So they probably have to be using a custom 14nm part from AMD/Nvidia, and they probably need memory parity for performance parity. Skimping on GDDR5 would only make this uphill climb even steeper.
>>332266036
Actually, the $500 set I was referring to is just the headset, camera, and move controller. >>332266179 is right that $1000 is close to the total cost, but I think they will do everything they can to make the total $899 and not $999 if there is a 4KVR bundle.
I don't know if they'll have the audacity to release a bundle with those prices, though. Quietly beginning the process of replacing PS4s with PS4Ks and trying to separately sell the Morpheus bundle makes the most sense to me. They will need the extra power to drive those 1080p screens at the FPS they want.
>>332260451
>Cartridges
>2016+1
Why?
Just give us a 1tb+ hdd like the dev version has and let us download the games
>>332260451
>scroll wheel shoulder buttons
im intrigued, but I also think thats hilarious.
>>332260451
>leaks
Even if they are true the "leaked" controller is a piece of shit so who cares if it's so powerful it can easily run real life?
>Launching a new console 3+ years into the Current gen
What the fuck are they that desperate?
I mean sure the Wii U was launched a year before current gen and the Wii 2 years after previous gen
They cant get their shit together can they?
>>332266634
>Why?
Because that's the gimmick.
>>332266602
>14nm part from AMD/Nvidia
Nintendo typical doesn't use the latest process nodes. Maybe they'll use 14nm, but I doubt it. Close to zero chance they are using anything from Nvidia, either.
It was reported they met with AMD and Imagination for chip set pitches.
>>332266602
Many rumors point that AMD will be making the GPUs for the NX, which makes a lot of sense and actually gives this possbile specs some credibility
>>332266745
>wii u launched in 2012
>nx launches in 2017
>5 year cycle, just like every other console
>>332266634
If the games come on cartridges, it may be a way for Nintendo to cut an HDD and an optical drive out of the BOM and get the price down.
>>332266745
The PS4K is launching this year, and the PS4 has only been out for 2 years.
>>332260627
>>332261231
A console doesn't need to be strong or weak to succeed. It only needs to be made by Sony.
>>332267035
>>332267054
It SHOULD be AMD. But I have contacts there and I haven't heard anything.
Re: 14nm, the process has become very common very quickly. This might be a pipedream on my part, but I think it's absolutely necessary for any future portable that comes out with the NX label to use 14nm if they want to keep power/performance in a range where crossplay with the home console and decent battery life are both feasible.
As for the console... I don't want to live in a world where Nintendo could potentially be using a 28nm part. But we do. AMD skipped 20nm entirely so if Nintendo does fall back from 14/16nm, 28nm is a real possibility.
>>332267338
>>332266583
Never going to happen ever again
>>332266634
>HD
When you can sell golden carts with some decent read speed.
I think CDs nowdays are fucking usless, even for home consoles, you can shove some game into a cart and do the dlcs or extra shit on HD but make a entire console library download only is suicidal.
Because it really worked on PSP Go.
The problem is make devs switch, portables use carts since forever, but bring back carts on console is pretty damn hard, mostly because blurays are dirty fucking cheap in comparsion to memory cards.
>>332267424
I wouldn't put it past Nintendo to use 14nm, they just haven't shown an interest in going for the latest possible process node in a long time. It'll be smaller than 45nm, other than that I wouldn't place any bets.
As for whether it should be AMD, who knows. They said they had a design win last year for a gaming console of some kind. Everyone just assumed it was Nintendo, but now we're hearing about PS4.5 so who knows.
If Imagination quoted a better price and Nintendo thinks the performance will be fine, you never know. If the system is a handheld, it probably makes more sense to go PowerVR.
When are they gonna announce the damn thing?
We all know it's coming this year, the Wii U has zero lineup besides Zelda for the rest of the year or the future.
>>332268285
E3
They are saying same shit since Last year.
>>332260682
>little bit more powerful than the PS4
I dont think Nintendo is stupid enough to AGAIN release something thats only slightly better than current gen hardware, only to be completely outclassed by the PS5 and Xbox360OneTwoSkiddilyDo a year or two later
>>332268450
They only said 2016, not E3. People are speculating it has to be sooner. Revealing new hardware during a direct is usually a bad time.
Anyone else not really sold on the home console/handheld unification shit?
>>332268285
They'll probably do some kind of teaser in May then the full show at E3.
>the Wii U has zero lineup besides Zelda for the rest of the year
Don't be too surprised to see a few more Wii U games get announced.
>>332268741
I seriously just don't see it happening. Nintendo's kind of exhausted their library so far.
>>332268613
Nintendo aways show their shit on E3.
DS, Revolution, WiiU.
Also WiiU lineup is kinda barren now they are hiding some kinda of shit.
I don't think they are killing WiiU, but doing same thing as DS- 3DS transition, I mean, DS still got BW2 when 3ds got released.
NX going to be a portable... At least it looks like for me.
>>332264894
This. Any gpu upgrade will only be utlized by VR games.
>>332269029
Just like the DSi, New 3DS, and new Game Boy iterations, right?
Besides, you can't deny Nintendo has seriously changed their corporate structure since 2012.
>NX going to be a portable
Full denial.
>>332269163
Forgetting that the Gameboy Advance was getting games for FOUR WHOLE YEARS AFTER the DS was released.
But yeah no, the Wii U is TOTALLY going to not get ANYMORE games this year besides Zelda. I am SURE this E3 is just going to go on and on about the NX and its launch lineup.
The NX isn't going to get shit until 2017, while E3 is going to announce the release date for Color Splash, as well as two more Wii U games for the second half of the year. They have to be convincing that the Wii U won't be replaced, they can't just suddenly drop everything instantly. It doesn't work that way, and NEVER has.
>>332269376
> FOUR WHOLE YEARS AFTER the DS was released.
Yeah, I bet they were all huge hits.
The GBA was also doing significantly better than the Wii U and had much cheaper games to be dev'd for it.
>>332269469
>"ITS OVER THE WII U WILL GET NO MORE GAMES!"
>He said the NX won't replace the Wii U.
>"JUST LIKE THE DS AMIRIGHT?"
>Yes you are, the GBA got games for four years after the DS was released.
>"T-THOSE GAMES DON'T COUNT!"
Stop moving goalposts, you don't get to do that. I just proved the third pillar fallacy wrong. The NX is going to replace the Wii U, but it won't happen instantly. It will take half a year, to a year tops after the NX comes out.
You can't look at me with a straight face, and expect that not a single Wii U game is going to be announced at E3? That's beyond deluded, they at least have to release new shovelware so they can pretend like they are still supporting it.
>>332269376
Nintendo got burned hard by trusting third parties to make the WiiU launch lineup.
If we had splatoon right off the bat on launch things would be a little better now.
But again third parties like dick suckers, sony and microsoft are paying mad dosh to keep some stuff or marketing on their own plataform despite multiplats.
I dunno what nintendo is doing but if they are doing a console they are going have a really huge uphill battle.
If portable... They just need release pokemon and mon hunt again.
>>332269469
To be fair, WiiU gamepad is underutilized even by nintendo itself.
>>332269469
It's still revenue for Nintendo though. Wii U has a damn good attach and newer titles like Pokken still manage to bring in money. No real reason to have their various studios do nothing or push their games to a new hardware that may not see daylight until next year.
>>332269761
> I just proved the third pillar fallacy wrong.
You haven't. You claimed the GBA had games developed for it, but the DS was a straight-up replacement since it could play GBA games 100% backwards compatible.
If you'd bother to look at the library, you'd see a majority of the titles between 2005 and 2007 are shovelware. I mean, hell, Nintendo only published 2 GBA games from 2006-2007. I would hardly call that support.
And, by the by, the GBA stopped receiving games in 2007. That's 3 years, not 4 years.
>>332269885
>Wii U has a damn good attach
So does the vita and it ain't worth shit.
>>332269885
>Wii U has a damn good attach and newer titles like Pokken still manage to bring in money.
People aways forget this, WiiU game do sell well, even damn ZombiU sold well despite ubisoft saying shit.
Fucking splatoon is at 4? millions now, selling better than bloodborne or some AAA games on other plataforms.
They just need play the right marketing cards.
>>332270180
Different philosophies. Sony doesn't really like to put a lot of effort in their own product unless its a runaway success. Nintendo will at least continue to do so while controlling their budgets.
>>332270191
>zombiu
>sell it as an action game based on the trailers
>it's actually a slow paced survival game
>wonder why it didn't sell as well as they expected
>>332270118
My point is not that the NX won't replace the Wii U, its that it won't replace the Wii U instantly. And it won't, cause it didn't happen to the GBA. I don't care if it only got shovelware, it was still getting games. And the Wii U will be getting shovelware games for half a year or longer after the NX comes out. I have already proven you wrong, nothing you can say can change that.
>>332270441
To be fair, ubisoft and EA kinda sabotaged their WiiU releases.
ME3 got released despite the other consoles getting the entire collection. And ZombiU having a huge budget a new IP.
They used money for like 3 games, and redid the game like twice. And... Let's not talk about Watch dogs on WiiU.
>>332270608
>nd the Wii U will be getting shovelware games for half a year or longer after the NX comes out. I have already proven you wrong, nothing you can say can change that.
Nigger the Wii U isn't getting shovelware games NOW. Just indie stuff.
>>332270662
>And... Let's not talk about Watch dogs on WiiU.
We should talk about the Beyond Good and Evil 2 prototype that vanished.
Ubisoft wanted people to think their problems were someone else when they were really struggling to develop a bunch of their games during that time period.
>>332270746
Let's be real, some of those indie games are shovelware tier.
>>332270908
shovelware at least has a boxed release
>>332269794
>If we had splatoon right off the bat on launch things would be a little better now.
I think the situation would've been the same. Even Nintendo said they were late to the party developing HD titles and had problems. Even Zelda-U got delayed.
If you didn't notice, game releases throughout Wii-U's life-cycle have been pretty inconsistent.
>>332270908
>Ubisoft wanted people to think their problems were someone else when they were really struggling to develop a bunch of their games during that time period.
Even EA stopped developing on WiiU, third parties are trying to bury WiiU, hell fucking FIFA and Madden don't have a proper WiiU port but have a Wii port.
I think they expect WiiU sell like Wii fluke, they got burned and jumped the ship really fast.
>>332271280
I noticed that but, I also noticed that some Wii games have really high poly or resolution in some textures, they aren't really late, but need pratice.And better hardware
Nintendo have some codewizards and can make some games look really damn good even without going full HD, they need a better documentation of their shit and start putting some pressure on third parties.
>>332260451
Oh boy
Nintendo is creating basically another Ps4
They should care for the gaymers!
Trash article from a trash website
