How did the PS1 outsell the N64? Seriously, what's the appeal of that piece of shit? It's long load times, shitty ports, or crappy graphics?
Price difference nerd. Same thing it always is
>>332248367
It was better and also had better games, didn't use cartridges which is a huge plus. Wasn't shit like the n64 is pretty much the main reason.
>>332248367
N64 didn't have Frogger
How can it even compete
>>332248687
Could you recommend some good games for me then? Been trying to find some. Just played parrapa the rapper for the first time, it's pretty awesome.
>>332248687
The N64 was $200 at launch. The PS1 was the same price.
>It was better and also had better games
Great argument.
>>332248367
>How did hasgames outdo nogames?
>How did inexpensive CD outdo expensive-as-fuck bespoke cartridges?
>>332248367
>long load times
almost universally under a minute, and generally under 30 seconds
>shitty ports
Like? Keep in mind the kind of ports the fucking N64 got, you really don't have any leg to stand on, barring a handful of PC ports. It doesn't even 100% win in multiplats against the PS1, and that's embarassing for hardware that with slightly more competent design should have been a straight upgrade from the PS1 in every possible way.
>crappy graphics
The PS1 was designed around '93 and put to production in '94, the fuck do you expect? Keep in mind, there was no consumer-level 3D rendering hardware on the market when the PS1 came out, Sony had to design their own chips and took the cheapest and fastest way to render shit, and it's not like the competition of the day (3DO, Saturn) looked any better.
The PS1 had a two year release gap to capture the whole market and by 1996, the PS1 had a ton of games. Loads were garbage, but it had enough quantity for there to be quite a bit of quality to pick from.
The N64 had a small selection of pretty good games, but 1: you didn't really notice that until after 1998 or so and 2: fucking $79.99 for games vs the PS1's $49.99.
It's pretty easy, assuming you were even born when either machine was released.
Its fun how there are only fanboys in these threads, rational human beigns are so rare on /v/ nowadays.
let's try anyway, i'm bored.
N64 suffered hard from using cartridges-no loading times is always a +1 for me but limited the memory pretty hard, also apparentely developers had a lot easier time developing for ps1 instead of n64, and thus ps1 biggest advantage: the sheer number of titles.
While full of shovelware and crappy games ps1 library simply towers over n64, and delivered a lot of great games-it was the 3d renaissance, and developers did things we could only dream about when consoles were 2d only(not like the-more of the same but with more pixels)era that started from ps2 to literally now...). It delivered every kind of game, from crappy licensed ones to sports games, jrpg, simulations...
N64 on the other hand had a great advantage: beign Nintendo. And that meant back in the 90 having literally the best and most experienced developer you could ask-and it really showed. Most N titles for the platfrom were-and still are-masterpieces that still stands the trial of time. OOc is regarded by most as the best game ever, mario 64 literally created the milestone for 3d platforming as much as Super mario bros created it for the 2d genre, f-zero x is still unreachable even by todays standard, etc. Problem is, there's little more to it, and it showed what the gamecube would have become: a more "niche" console with less games but with almost each and every one of them top quality and with an "old style"focus on gameplay(while PS and mainstream games shifted to a more cinematic experience...but thats material for another thread)
>>332249040
castlevania simphony of the night is a game that should be played by everyone at least once in your life. One of the best games EVER, period.
What genres do you dig? Ps1 really had a LOT of great titles.
>>332248367
In my country
N64 75 for games
PS 35
Also final fantasy 7, Resident evil. Metal gear solid need I go on.
>>332248367
Games
N64 had none.
>>332250712
>One of the best games EVER, period.
>the definition of style over substance
>>332248367
Even with the load times, it was much easier to pirate CDs than to pirate N64 games.
>>332250962
nice meme
>>332251095
>the definition of style over substance
Nigga, we played the same game?
Csotn has literally more substance than every castlevania 3d ever made put togheter alone.
It had a huge castle, dozens of weapons, thousands of secret, magic powers, shapeshifting, bosses, multiple endings and a terrific gameplay.
Only downside replaying now after so many years is the levelling system-but thats mostly because i cannot stand the exp level system anymore on ANY game. It just became a lazy design way to avoid putting efforts in giving players any real challenge or need to improve, because why getting better and grow some skills when all you have to do is to grind more?
>>332248367
People forget or too young to remember how hard it was to get a n64 when it was released. It was wii hard
PS1 had all the games.
N64 got cucked hard by PS1.
>>332248367
PS1 had more to offer than babby collectathon platformers and badly aged FPS games.
>20 years later
>Nintendofags still pissed the PS1 outsold them 3:1 and is considered the better console, despite the fact the N64 had the best line up of exclusives in his history.
The saddest thing is always the N64 defence force are ameriburgers, because thats the only country where the N64 actually sold enough to not be a flop.
Nintendo had the chance to create the greatest console in history and his greedness and stupidness doomed them for the rest of history.
>Crash Bandicoot
>Spyro
>Metal Gear Solid
>Grand Theft Auto
>Resident Evil
>Gran Turismo
I just don't know OP
PS1 had a larger library and games weren't as expensive.
PS1 had
Resident Evil
Silent Hill
Crash Bandicoot
Need for speed
FF7
MGS
Tekken
Oddworld
Driver
Tomb Raider
Gran Turismo
Wipeout
Xenogears
Twisted Metal
Spyro
Tony Hawk
Castlevania
And many more still popular and relevant franchises even today
N64 had
Zelda
Smash
Mario
Stuff nobody gave two shits about back then and still don't.
Just look at the N64's controller. Despite Maryoh 64 being fun and quite a few other games, they just didn't understand spacial movement within a 3D world very well.
Add to this that Nintendo never corrected the issue, but instead went with wagglan while Sony, Xbox and PC kept regular controls, whelp its all history.
>>332249040
Silent Hill
Metal Gear Solid
Resident Evil 1-3
Spyro 1-3
Final Fantasy 7-9
Parasite eve
G-police
Crash bandicoot 1-3
Alundra
PS1 had a shitload of hidden gems
>>332252434
i remember playing this, also that Serial Experiments Lain game is eerie as fuck
>>332251781
>went into a store
>bought one
Not really. In europe N64 got overshadowed terribly by the ps1 for a lot of reasons(cant say anything for the US because i wasn't there and i have no idea).
Sony invested in the ps1 SO much and it had a fuckhuge advertisment campaign. We saw commercial on national Tv, on videogames newspapers, literally everywhere. When you generate enough hype and the kids start buying-because kids are and will ever be the main target for videogames-all other kids followed.
N64 on the other hand underestimated sony's product and didn't pushed so hard on the advertisment and focused on his already fidelized playerbase...wich didn't got bigger, while sony appealed to new markets with a whole new generation of kids.
The ps1 was more powerful and the n64 looked as if it was designed by fisher price with controller designed for mutants.
>>332251781
Nintendo has a tendency to limit the amount of systems they make or amount of prints they make of games. It's something that still happens today. I just dont understand their business practices sometimes.
The sad thing is that this thread won't get deleted even if it's instigating a flamewar thread
Anyway, the PS1 CRUSHED the N64 just like the PS4 IS DESTROYING the Pii U
A few thoughts:
- PS1 released almost a year earlier than the N64
- PS1 used CD roms, whereas N64 was limited to cartridge-based games (leading to cheaper game prices)
- The release of FFVII had a huge marketing campaign, and was one of the first truly big games with FMVs, you can imagine the sales hype
>>332248367
>Seriously, what's the appeal of that piece of shit
Gaming for older people, music capabilities, third party support, compact disks.
Simple, for every amazing game the N64 had, the PS1 had five. It had both quality and quantity.
Think of it like this: you ask people their five favorite N64 games, they're gonna tell you a lot of the same ones; Mario, Zelda, Goldeneye, Smash, Banjo, etc. You ask someone their five favorite PS1 games and your responses are gonna be all over the place, and you're gonna get only a handful of repeats.
>>332250712
If you think the gamecube had good games your the nostalgia ridden fanboy. They wouldn't of had shmups or rpgs if Sega didn't fail. Also you can't call psx shovelware when devs were at their pinnacle with it. First party was pushing out Tenchu, prappa, gt, blasto, intelligent cube. square was pushing out tobal, gears, ff, brave fencer, einhandler, bushido. Konami had suikoden, silent hill, castlevania, mgs, Capcom had resident evil, rival schools, dino, mega man/x. Working designs had lunar, alundra, classic shmups. Namco had tekken, time crisis, ridge racer, soul caliber I'm still missing tons of games because there's tons. I like the n64 and it's the last good Nintendo console but let's be realistic. Also gamecube only has one classic game and that's eternal darkness
>>332253072
PS is the first console platform to actually capitalize on Nintendo's number one weakness.
Nintendo wants 3rd party support but they don't want 3rd party support to ever overshadow 1st party games. That pretty much how Nintendo progressed from SNES to the situation we have today.
>>332253142
>Also gamecube only has one classic game
That's so incredibly wrong.
>>332249040
Fucking APE ESCAPE
>>332248367
CD technology allowed for bigger better games.
Which is why Final Fantasy moved to the Playstation. Otherwise 7 wouldve had like 15 cartridges.
CD also allowed for higher quality audio, and FMV. And overall, it wasnt bank bustingly expensive like early CD consoles.
It also had good third party support, and far more launch titles. the N64's US release literally only had 2 launch titles, while the PS1 had like 10.
in fact i'm pretty sure pretty much every other console had more launch titles than the N64. (and most were disk based as well)
This list needs an improvement
>>332248367
The N64 has, like, 10 games worth playing.
The PlayStation library meanwhile is absolutely massive.
That's why.
>>332253072
Isn't that the main issue with every Nintendo system since the 64?
GameCube:
>Smash
>Mario Kart
>SM Sunshine
>F-Zero
>Twilight Princess
>Resident Evil 4 as an extra
Wii:
>Wii Sports
>Super Mario Galaxies
>Brawl
>Mario Kart
>MAYBE Xenoblade
Wii U:
>Smash
>Kart
>Bayonetta 2
>Mario Maker
>Splatoon
The thing with Sony vs Nintendo is that with Nintendo, a ton of people buy a small number of games that get large sales.
With Sony, a ton of people buy a larger variety of games that get a smaller amount of sales.
>>332253936
>PS1 version of Rayman 2
>cut levels and awful voice acting
Only thing worse is the DS version.
>>332248367
>"How did the PS1 outsell the N64?"
Honestly, I'm not sure it did. Literally everyone I knew at the time had an N64. Hardly anyone had a PS1.
Yet, I always hear the PS1 outsold the N64. I can't explain it.
>>332248367
Discs. That's why.
>>332253142
Its so amazing how you IGNORED everything i saidand went full retard with
>HURR DURR U FANBOY NINTENDO SUX NO GAEMS
First, i haven't talked about gamecube other than it was a "niche" console, but ye, it had good games, biggets problem most of them were rehesral of n64 ones with fixed gameplay and added graphics, so it literally disappointed N fans who were almost the only ones who bought the console.
but let's ignore that.
can you tell me WHEN i said ps1 had only shovelware? I even said ps1 was the main actor in 3d renaissance...also I said ps1 had a LOT of awesome games, but it also had dozens and dozens of bad games and shovelware. On old N console it was actually HARD to find a bad game-you could walk into a store and buy a game and knew it was going to be good nonetheless. With the ps1 everyone jumped into the wagon-3d graphics and an easy developer kit made creating games, even shovelwares, easier, thus we had a flood of games never seen before-both great, good, meh and plain bad.
Gamecube suffered less from this, and it was the last N console where the "official n seal of quality"meant anything.
But we were discussing why ps1 outsold n64. i state again my previous claims>>332250712
>>332252598
And also add another BIG factor: time. Ps1 launched like a year or so earlier, and became "mainstream" even on people who never even heard of videogaming and console before. Nes and snes were kinda confined beign "super nerdy" toys, while the ps1 tried to appeal(succesfuly!)to a broader audience.
>>332255185
Nigga, where are you from? genuine curiousity.
>>332255185
>Literally everyone I knew had X, but not Y
I hate seeing people post this. It's like they can't comprehend people elsewhere are different. And don't know them.
>>332249040
Omega Boost
>>332253463
>PS is the first console platform to actually capitalize on Nintendo's number one weakness
Blast Processing, bitch.
>>332255185
It's called burying your head in the sand.
>>332250712
>>332252417
Thanks a lot guys. My taste is anything but sports games so this is perfect.
>>332253614
Fucking love ape escape so far you're an awesome person.
>>332255328
I'm from Florida, and same shit happened to me.
If anyone living in Florida reads this, MOVE OUT OF STATE. Shit is fucking nuts.
>>332255185
It outsold the N64 by nearly 2:1 in NA, and by an absolute shitload more than that everywhere else.
The PS1 didn't just outsell the N64, it absolutely annihilated it.
>>332255494
I'm in Orlando. What's wrong with Florida right now?
>>332253936
>All those glorious RPGs
Goddamn that made me feel.
>>332255505
>The PS1 didn't just outsell the N64, it absolutely annihilated it.
well, not as much as the PS2
N64 was a success only in NA. Americans got the short end of that generation. Poor fatties.
PSX > Saturn > anything else >>>> Nshittyfour
I loved both because the N64 had Nintendo shit before they rehashed everything and the PSX had some of the best JRPG's to date.
>>332255901
PS2 was and is pretty glorious though.
Developers made more games on the PS1 since the cost to manufacture is very low. Loading times were very annoying, but it was forgivable. Some say the graphics of N64 was better, but I think PS1 is slightly better. I think PS1 has limited texture handling and the N64 has faster texture loading, but the N64 had limited space, so texture quality is lowered to fit the cartridge space, where as the PS1 might not have on the fly texture loading, it can store higher quality textures, thus, better looking environments and characters. Also one of the predominant graphics techniques back then was to use CG stills for backgrounds, to go around the polygon limitations of the system. N64's limited cartridge space restricted the use of CG movies, and thus, CG still backgrounds. Also CG movies are one heck of a marketing device as well as an in game reward for the player. "Cinematic gaming" was all the rage of the late 90s after all.
I'm in North Florida it's a shit hole I would love to leave if I could.
>>332254671
>MAYBE Xenoblade
You didn't like it?
>>332253936
FFVII was a true system seller
>>332253936
This is far from incomplete too. I can think of three games from Square ALONE that aren't on here.
>>332255901
>The majority of those sales are because it was a cheap DVD player
I mean I gotta give it to Sony. It outsold the Wii as well, didn't it?
>>332249003
You. You are my nigga. Forever and always.
>>332255328
>Nigga, where are you from? genuine curiousity.
Chicago.
>>332256830
No wonder you're retarded.
>>332248367
For every all-time great N64 game, there were 30 great PS1 games. Do the math.
>>332256943
that doesn't make sense... 30 x 0 is still 0, man
>>332255689
What happened to RPGs man
>>332256424
I love Xenoblade. I just think it wasn't one of the large CORE games that Wii owners would have.
>>332248367
N64 graphics are shit. i mean look at this
>>332257089
They stopped putting effort into them.
RPGs used to be more than just cute girls and swimsuits. Hell, shit like swimsuits used to be rewards, not DLC.
>>332248367
People forget about all the (at the time) amazing games that have since gone to shit, or nobody cares about anymore. Things like Tekken, Tomb Raider, Syphon Filter, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, there were a ton of franchises that were revolutionary and mind blowing at the time. Add in Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Silent Hill, etc. and there was a lot of great shit for PS1.
>>332257067
I know you're memeing, but the N64 still had Mario 64, Smash, Goldeneye, and Zelda. It had more than 0.
That could work on the Wii U though. That thing legit has no good games.
>>332248367
>shitty ports
>ignoring the N64 port of RE2
>ignoring the N64 port of MML
I know /nintendogaf/ is deluded but stop.
>>332257436
We give Compile Heart a ton of shit for their practices, but at least they try to keep the genre alive.
Core RPG gameplay that slowly improves with each release and generally comfy games.
Their BIGGEST sin has to be that they reuse assets. Outside of character designs, which is subjective, it's the asset abuse
>>332257654
>Goldeneye
>good
Not for the time, and not today.
>>332257654
Well, it has Bayo 2 family
>>332257245
That little faggot has his own jet airplane.
>>332257786
To be fair, Golden eye was pretty good for a Fps.
>n64
>good
Bad controller
Bad games
Cartridge-based
Ugly fucking 3d shit
And yet still it became the defining console for the nugamer shit generation.
No wonder modern games are such shit.
Gaming went downhill fast in the mid-90s, and it's dead now.
>>332257654
as much as I hate nintendo at this point, I must admit that even the wii and the wii u have more games I'd play rather than the n64
>>332257928
>any console fps
>good
>especially one with the shit N64 controller
My god, you kids sure were brainwashed by garbage in the mid-90s, weren't you?
>>332257945
I agree with the bad controllers
I got blisters with that shit
>>332257945
>Bad controller
Go fuck yourself, the N64 controller kicks ass.
>>332258064
The multiplayer was pretty dope
>>332257945
I'm not the biggest fan of N64, but you sound underaged as fuck. Even as a lifelong Sonygger N64 had some God-Tier games on the thing. The world is all the better for games like Mario 64 and Majora's Mask.
>>332248367
Fuck off with your retroactive console war bullshit.
>>332258074
yeah, that's why every modern controller uses the same design
Did the 64 had that much piracy?. I remember moding your ps1 so you could play copied games was practically a must
>>332258226
>f-f-fuck off, consoles were always best bros.
Even consoles before your time depended on rivalries.
>>332258281
>Most controllers use the SNES layout with a joystick that the N64 standardized
You're right, they do. Your beloved 360 controller even has triggers that mimic what the N64 had.
>>332258210
>underaged
Only underaged idiots bought into the N64 lie.
>world is all the better for mario 64
>a game with horrible controls and a shit camera
>majora's mask
>a fucking dumb as shit noexploration Zelda which goes against every single thing Zelda is supposed to be
Child, please go fuck yourself and get the fuck out of gaming. You are the reason gaming today is shit.
>>332258074
There is absolutely no comfortable way to hold the fucking middle stick unless you have the hands of a 6 year old.
>>332258617
>assuming
So if I'm understanding you correctly, the only redeeming feature on the N64 trident is the Z button?
>>332258617
snes controller was really good and comfortable
and sony perfected the controller
>>332258617
>triggers
Ah, yes. Something even the C64GS had.
>>332248367
Gaming was in a "RPGs are the only thing that matter" fad at the time, kind of how today we have the endless stream of Medal of Dutyfare games. The N64 had jack shit in that regard, as everyone making an RPG had moved to the PSX for FMVs and the like.
>>332248367
>tfw some shithead's been making threads crying about PS1 outselling N64 for the past few days, probably even longer
I don't know why, byt nintenbabbies' tears always please me.
>>332258617
>mimic what the N64 had
>two triggers
>actual triggers and not just a button
The Dreamcast is responsible for that. RIP in peace.
Legend of Legaia, Spyro, Ace Combat, Twisted Metal, etc.
The system had crazy good games.
>>332257945
>[N64] became the defining console for the nugamer shit generation.
>No wonder modern games are such shit.
But the worst of modern gaming originated in the "mature", "photorealistic", and "cinematic" games in the PS1's library.
>Gaming went downhill fast in the mid-90s, and it's dead now.
The sixth generation was one of the best, my man.
>>332248367
it's the long load times, shitty ports and actual games
n64 had mario and ocarina of time, everything else is forgettable and or shit
>>332258671
Oh, so you're just shitposting. Alright.
>>332248367
I remember two "girls" in school asking me if I had wipeout. I knew Sony would win then and there.
>>332258891
>>332258901
>>332258931
>>332259303
You faggots have no idea what you're talking about. Hopeless!
>>332248367
>PS1
>shitty ports
Compared to what? The N64 that most of the time didn't get those ports at all?
>>332248367
Cd's, memory card, you could put a music cd, the slim(?) version of ps one is glorious n64 just make the console traslucid oh and moking your friends by having RE3 and so many others edgy titles. I wonder how Nintendo its not totally broken
>>332259673
Aim a little higher next time. A legitimate discussion would be preferable.
>leagues better controller
>leagues better games
>better storage system
>could also use it as a CD player
More than enough reason to get one over a 64.
>>332259673
solid argument bro
you've convinced me I'm wrong
>>332259673
Anon, you're the one saying the 360 controller is mimicking the 64 one. That's just silly.
>>332248367
after SNES most companies went with sony, and the gamers followed suit.
>companies that stayed with nintendo for N64
Rare
Natsume
>companies that switched to sony
Square
Capcom
Konami
Namco
Eidos
Enix
Activision
THQ
EA
Rockstar
I know I got a ps1 because square said effectively "fuck 6 cartridges for ff7, we're switching development to playstation."
ps1 may have won but n64 was the king when it came to multiplayer.
as usual the true master race owned both.
some of the greatest games of all time were released on each.
>>332259776
>>332259825
>>332259918
Fine then, keep being unreasonable. No one can say I didn't try to get through to you people, but that much is impossible! I showed my evidence and you rejected it for no reason other than you being zealots. I'm done. I'm out. Goodbye.
>>332260198
If you're bored, just say so.
I don't see the point in pretending.
>>332260093
Natsume even made a better Harvest Moon for the playstation.
>>332248367
The PS1 had 3rd party support, while the N64 had next to none. Most of the big N64 games were developed by either Nintendo or Rare. The majority of those were aimed at a younger audiences at a time when the game industry as a whole was moving away from childish platformers and towards games with deeper stories and gameplay. For better or worse, FMV helped tell those stories, and FMV is only really practical on CDs, which the PS1 had and the N64 didn't.
