What's a fun class in NWN1 that works well with a co-op buddy? He's going cleric and I'm debating going either wizard or bard but I'll take other suggestions. Would it be possible to play as a blade with light armor or would I just get destroyed?
>>332156368
Also preferably anything but a druid since I've already played one.
>>332156368
go paladin
>>332156368
Wizard always works. Bard can normally work here but their main draw is being melee or archer with buffs, which is redundant with Cleric.
>>332157319
I could use the knock and identify spells. Any recommendations for races or spell schools I should focus on?
>>332156368
PALADIN
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>>332156368
>Would it be possible to play as a blade with light armor or would I just get destroyed?
It's possible, but probably suboptimal - the main point of bards is for mad buffs, which is irrelevant with a cleric. If you just want to cut things up, sure.
What are you two going to play? If you wanted utility you could always go Fighter/Rogue or Paladin/Rogue
>>332156368
First nwn was garbage, just skip it and play second game instead
>>332157563
Yeah no I'm partially playing NWN for the mods and the dialogue system for NWN2 rubs me the wrong way. I'm only interested in NWN2 for Mask fo the Betrayer and the Sigil server.
>>332157463
Human is solid choice, extra feat is good and you will probley get another class at some point
>>332157512
Wouldn't a Paladin be redundant with a cleric? Also rogues are boring to play in my opinion. Going to start off with the OC so he learns the ropes a bit then move most likely to SoU or a mod. Is the Aielund Saga as good as people say?
>>332157463
I've never properly played a Wizard so take this with a grain of salt, but for both I'd suggest Human (extra feat, extra skillpoint/level and no stat conts) or Elf (+2 Dex, -2 Con, Wizard favoured class, Keen Senses, longsword, rapier, long- and shortbow proficiency)
If you want mad utility, you can make a Wizard X/Rogue 1 with Wizard stats but first level Rogue, if you want to be able to make your own open locks/search attempts or whatever.
>>332157563
Some of the modules are great, though.
>>332157563
Both have shit OCs with better expansions.
>>332158092
>Is the Aielund Saga as good as people say?
No. Part 1 has fucked balance, part 4 is cancer in every way(bad balance that totally fucks several classes over, forced equipment strips that you never get back, bad writing, insane railroading, terribad romances). Stop at the end of part 3.
>>332158324
Can you recommend a good mod that supports MP then?
>>332158092
>Wouldn't a Paladin be redundant with a cleric?
Not necessarily. Two of their buffs (Bless Weapon and Holy Sword) are unique to them, and with a decent Str/Wis/Cha spread and by taking the Divine Might/Shield feats, you can buff yourself to a pretty good level. And you're good in melee generally anyway. Not as strong as a buffed cleric, but if you wanted to play another cleric/druid, you'd've said so, right?
>s the Aielund Saga as good as people say?
I'm playing part one now, it's pretty fun.
>>332158153
wizard with two levels of fighter. still spell feat. enjoy ignoring vancian castingbbs as you successfully cast spells whilst in full plate w tower shield.
>>332158614
I think I might go wizard anyways for variety's sake since I always play some sort of fighter in DnD games. I'll check out the first couple parts of Aielund saga then too.
>>332157563
Playing alone maybe, but its pretty dank with a good buddy.
>>332159683
It's good for putting friendships to the test when that one fag keeps dying or getting caught pickpocketing.
Shadow dancer is my favorite class but it wouldn't be much fun in coop. Pretty much any class goes well with cleric though
>>332158976
Eh, to be fair I just don't really like resting all the time andVancian magic in general
I took a pally/sorcerer/RDD with Still Spell through the expansions once and it was alright, but I didn't have the most fun.
>>332159562
Fair enough. Have fun!
>>332156368
Why does she have a tit where her dick should be
>>332161058
So massive it needs sum plate to protect it
Well, anon? What's your excuse for not working on it tonight?
>>332161751
I hadfootytoday, now I'm trying to figure out why moving my install to my computer makes it crash every time I try and open the toolset ;-;
>>332158092
>Wouldn't a Paladin be redundant
Not even a group of 4 Paladins would be redundant, you filthy heretic.
>>332161751
>implying I didn't work
wew lad you a red spy too?
>>332162483
>suppressing the casterfag menace for the color of their robes
Good man, keep it up and we may one day be free of the curs.
>tfw can't convince any of my friends to play NWN together because they're either shitfucks or lazy or both
Fuck.
>>332161751
Still a normie.
Still dicking around.
>>332162246
Have you tried pirating the GOG diamond edition? It's been working well so far for me.
I want to make an exploration based game with rare but meaningful NPC interaction built more about uncovering why the world is the way it is than some grand quest to save it.
Should I stick to NWN, a toolset I already have a basic understanding of, or NWN2 which is frankly so powerful and open that it overwhelms and frightens me?
>>332162818
Quit being a sexual minority and get to work it's top tier autistic fun once you get into it.
>>332162483oh my god
>>332162845
I actually have it sitting around hereas a physical copy of the diamond edition
I think I'll just have to completely reinstall it on my computer proper, working out which overrides were for mods and so I can dump and which are my customs will be fun, though.
>damnit
>>332162818
That's pretty shitty, Anon./v/ LATE NIGHT NWN THREAD RP SERVER WHEN YOU FUCKING MONGS
>>332161751
why should I bother trying to create something in the least accessible medium ever? Barley anyone watches my youtube videos. Absolutely no one would ever see my nwn module. It's pointless.
>>332165275
for the joy of creation, faggot.
>>332165335
I do other things. Hell making a PnP DnD campaign would at least be enjoyed by a few players maybe someday.
>>332165408
>implying any of us have anyone to play DnD with
>>332165408
Why not justget that DnD group to try playing your NWN game together instead
>>332161058
>her
>dick
>>332165684
>not appreciating feminine dicks
Almost as faggy as people not working on their modules, desu.
>>332156368
How do you make bard work?
I remember trying a 2h bard with buffs and shit but random enemies dropped my like nothing
I went straight HotU btw
>>332157563
the autism is strong within this one
all of NWN2 was shit
even the precious mask of the betrayer, which was also garbage
why do people have such pretentious opinions and tastes when it comes to NWN?
is because of the DnD is difficult special meme club?
>>332165823
For hotu half orc bard/dragon discipline shit ton of str just enough cha to get spell levels
Honestly, just play Shadows of Underentide instead if you want to start from level 1. Then go to HotU. The OC of both NWN1 and NWN2 are mostly tech demos.
Take a companion to be a knock bitch and then play either a paladin or wizard. If you want to just be the two of you, you could try arcane archer but that takes forever to pay off.
>>332165775
>>332165775
>>332165823
>I went straight HotU btw
Well, there's your problem.
Bards are best at party support with their songs, and have decent skill utility; they require good equipment and building to work as a primary melee fighter.
Like taking levels in a warrior class and 10 of RDD for the bonuses to strength, for example.Good on you for going 2handed though
>>332165919
>all of NWN2 was shit
Well, I have an argument for you, mate
>Can't be a Frenzied Berserker in NWN
>Can in NWN2
>It's great
NWN2 clearly superior
>>332166145
NWN2 also hadfunlock, so there's that.
druid is also an option
they kinda are similiar to cleric,but have differen spells.
>>332166145
Nice try odbisidrone bue everyone knows the true mark of quality is the ability to kill potential companions in your first conversation with them.
>>332166270
No, anon, you have to base it purely on their clothes and meta-knowledge or else it's just being a murderhobo.
>>332166454
Murderhobo is pretty authentic to the typical D and D experience.
>>332166558
Only if your DM is shitor you wanted to run a game to see how long your players could run from the law
>>332166213
Good point.
As fun as playing a high-level Hellfire Warlock was, though, it's a pity because without a few of the bugs a Warlock would be even more awesome (like if Imbue Item worked properly, for instance)
>>332166270
Yeah, but your logic is faulty in that you're presuming that my charactercan see colours... or read
>>332167040
wasn't there something fucked with how Warlocks interacted with SR, too?
>>332166558
>>332166712
This is why Frenzied Zerker is the best DnD class, and why I was so disappointed they didn't implement Deathless Frenzy or the ally-cleaving function in NWN2Except for Lorne, the cheating fuck
>Even though it's more fun when there are real people behind the other characters
>>332167108
There were a lot of things that didn't work right in NWN2. One of the biggest bugs being how damn near impossible it was to remove protection from evil/good.
Dragonform in NWN1 should have been broken beyond belief and it would have been had it been granted the proper size category for use with IKD. But that mattered mostly for PvP servers.
NWN PWs report in.
Prisoners of the Mist represent.
>>332167108
Yeah, Warlocks get treated as if they only had half their actual caster level with regards to beating SR, including bonuses (from Spell Penetration etc), which made fighting enemies with any SR at all an enormous pain (and good luck if that other dude's a drow!)
I forget why - maybe because instead of checking caster level it checked the number of dice an Eldritch Blast rolled? Some fucked-up coding.
>>332167359
Jesus, ypu'd think they'd get the new classes right, at least.Are all the non-magical classes roughly on-par with each other? I've been thinking about trying NWN2 module making and have had an idea for a super low-magic thing for awhile now
>>332157207
>>332157512
>paladin
Policeman pls go. We are trying to have fun.
>paladin in party
>cant bargain for rewards
>cant torture for information
>cant threaten and intimidate people
>cant side with the other side in an argument
Paladins are anti-fun.
>>332167040
>mfw [spolier]color blind adventurer goes on a killing spree because he keeps seeing people in red[/spoiler]
>>332167469
>cant torture for information
Heretics and the Faithless have no rights under the eyes of the gods, heathen. Carve the beasts up for their lie-songs as much as you like.
>>332161751
Fuck you, I am not working until you can guarantee me that my work wont go in vain.
Form the warband and I will join, and be the biggest contributer.
>>332167545
Ctrl+S, m8
>>332167597Still waiting on literally anyone else besides me and Snow-village Anon to post any meaningful progress on their homework assignments at all.
>>332167714
I told you this place was shit for organizing stuff.
>>332167945
I know, Anon, but I dared to hope.
>>332168007
Well if future greatest contributor anon and trying to get toolset working anon start working it would be four of us doing shit.
>>332168131
I was gonna give it one more day to see if that guy who was going to be busy the first night delivers anything.And also I realized that I don't think there any way for actually coordinate a team of people working on a single module without just hot-potatoing a file back and forth to work on it one at a time, unless there's something I'm not aware of
>>332168227
I liked what castle anon was doing.but you're probably right about coordinating though ;_;
>>332162483
>not taking an isometric screenshot
>zoomed all the way in
its like you want NWN1 to look bad
>>332167467
>Jesus, you'd think they'd get the new classes right, at least.
Yeah, I know. I love the game, but it could've been so much better.
To fully answer your question, do you mean just base classes or all class builds?
Anyway, assuming a 'regular' module (as in, no 90% undead like the OC act III which takes away the advantage of criticals and sneak attacks for rogues) all the non-casters are pretty much equal, except for archery-based characters who are fucked over by the terrible way NWN2 handles aggro for them. Monk's pretty weak, even into high levels, and I think Swashbuckler is gimped; but neither are unplayably bad for a well-balanced module, just subobtimal.
If it gets into the midlevels though, let alone the high ones, some melee builds will royally fuck you up - a Frenzied Berserker can get Enhanced Power Attack at level 11 at the earliest, for example, for an immediate +20 damage/-6AB with every attack on a two-handed weapon. If you're not worried about intentionally-munchkiny builds though, I wouldn't worry.
Special cases (as I'm unsure whether you think of them as magic-users or not):
-Pallies are pretty well-balanced in general, but if they can exploit their Divine Might/Shield AND their self-buffs they can be pretty strong, without these they're balanced enough.
-Rangers are fucked if they're archers, dual-wield rangers are balanced enough.
-Bards, even without their spellcasting ability, are INCREDIBLY POWERFUL at mid-high levels in any decent party (or one with any full-BAB characters at all, really) and still insanely useful beforehand. So I don't know how you want to treat bardsong.
Anything else you wanted to know? Further detail my opinions on PrC balance?
Anyone else want to offer their opinion?
>>332168657
>not zooming in to properly expose people wearing suspicious red robes
its like you want to get disintegrated in your sleep
>>332167545
>>mfwcolor blind adventurer goes on a killing spree because he keeps seeing people in red
OH MY FUCK
Now I have to find some way to turn this into a module.
>>332168227
>>332168496;_;
>>332169174
Don't you mean 'disintegrated afteryou attack her and pass out from blood loss?'
>>332168990
Rogue/Cleric/Monk is the best solo build for MotB and HotU. 6 monk minimum, 1 rogue every 5 levels (to dump into tumble and UMD). You don't do a lot of damage per hit but you hit a lot especially with Keen kamas and flurry of blows. And you just keep scaling with cleric levels and buffs.
You have UMD so you can equip all the best amulets, rings, and wands in the game. You have stupid high saves and high magic resist. You have shit tons of AC and AB and attacks per round.
You are basically forced to be Human and have to match the cleric and rogue levels to not get screwed by multiclass penalties. But its an incredibly self sufficient build.
>>332165919
>even the precious mask of the betrayer, which was also garbage
It wasn't garbage but obsidian played it safe as fuck and wasted too much potential
>>332168990
>>332169302
Fuck, I meant to delete some of those spoiler tags. Sorry guys.
>>332169302BETTER DEAD THAN RED
>>332169410
>motb
>played it safe
oh wow anon
>>332169485
b-buh muh wall
What's a good melee build in NWN2 that doesn't rely on magic?
I hate buffing constantly.
>>332169520
That's not because they wanted to play it safe, that's because WotC wouldn't allow it.
>>332169527
Frenzied Berserker
>>332169403
Huh, that's actually really interesting. I do love UMD, honestly worth it for Sun Soul boots alone when you're not a monk.
I might actually have to try that...
>>332169454I choked laughing at this
>>332169527
FRENZIED BERSERKER FRENZIED BERSERKER
>>332169662
Berserkermind
>>332169567
It's also a pretty retarded idea.
>hurr I'll just bitchslap this one god in his own domain then somehow fight all the others who really like their wall what could go wrong
Kaelyn's good ending where she goes gorilla warfare is the only reasonable thing to do if you are really buttfrustrated about the faithless issue.
>>332168227
You'd either have to pass the module around like crazy or have one or two guys collating while everyone else sends him info or screenshots or whatever else would help.
There are issues with both, that you can't really avoid. If we're gonna do this, we're gonna have to bite the bullet either way.Online module making tool never ever.
>>332168496
>tfw I deleted my castle
I'm so sorry, if I'm the guy you're referring to.
Fucking City tiles not working in zigzags.
>>332169485
What?
Are you retarded?
>Rashemen amazing and cool culture that is ruled by females!
>let's do nothing with it, so it will be like generic sword of coasts land
>Planes where many cool and amazing things can happen
>Let's do nothing with that!
They fucked up everything they could and never tried anything nice
>>332169784
You forget it goes quite right in the evil route and you basically devour fucking everything and become an unstoppable abomination.
It's also not so much about fighting god(s) as it is about breaking down the wall and accepting whatever comes after that.
Does anyone know why the Toolset for Neverwinter Nights 2 doesn't function on Windows 10 machines?
I'm using a disc-based installation of the original game.
>>332169963
>You forget it goes quite right in the evil route and you basically devour fucking everything and become an unstoppable abomination.
Yeah, but not in their own domain. Even with this ending you are still forced to leave the City of Judgement
>>332169675
>Huh, that's actually really interesting. I do love UMD, honestly worth it for Sun Soul boots alone when you're not a monk.
>I might actually have to try that...
I found an old save, so let me give the lowdown. Rogue/Cleric/Monk scales like a beast but is extremely level hungry. There is simply not enough game in NWN1 or NWN2 to get to the sneak attacking level 9 cleric spell sonic. PvP servers it was a different story.
In any case, the key number of monk levels are 1, 2, 3, and 6. The higher the number usually the fewer cleric levels you will have at the end. Rogue every 5 levels typically to gain tumble and max UMD. The campaigns tend to throw lots of undead so the sneak attack levels aren't that nice later. Level 7 cleric is really where the buffs start running out so you can make that a target and dump more points into dexterity and strength.
Choose Strength domain and either Time (for haste, which you can usually get on items) or take Animal.
Elf would be preferred so you can search for traps without having to toggle it but the multiclass penalties will be annoying.
Take kamas, focus on getting the best sun soul boots you can find.
Reminder
ADWR part 3 never ever
Regards
>>332170487
Why do you have to remind me?
>tfw no adult mod has ever lived up to ADWR
>>332157563
The amount of wrong just hurts.
>>332170487
>Reminder
>ADWR part 2 update never ever
fixed;-;
>>332170434
Level 7 cleric spells I mean.
>>332156368
Fighter is always solid in that game, Rogue will open up some options too.
>>332156368
>What's a fun class in NWN1 that works well with a co-op buddy?
Dick-ass thief.
>no modern developer has made a NWN 3.
I don't need all these dime a dozen CRPGs. Just give me an RPG with the module system.
>>332170867
Por que no los dos?Fighter/Rogue/SD murders pretty much any custom module
>>332169302
>Don't you mean 'disintegrated after you attack her and pass out from blood loss?'
HOLD THE FUCKING PRESSES
What if
Niggas you listenin?
What if there was a mod where you get the option to do that and then
Niggas hol up this gon be gudYou attack her and then she kills you and the spirit eater jumps to her and then you play as Safiya
SHEEEIT
>>332171026
Myrkul pls
>>332171026
Can youromance Kaelyn?
>>332171105
Mr Lyonsbane, tear down this Wall!
![john-paul-balmet-malelightfoothalfling-rogue[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sS2hheX.jpg "john-paul-balmet-malelightfoothalfling-rogue[1].jpg")
>>332156368
Rogue, duh. Cleric tanks, you snek from behind and neak attack. Most sneak attack inmune enemies are undead so the its a perfect match.
Add 4 levels of fighter to get weapon specialization.
>>332171194
>romancing Kaelyn
>not going for the new best ending when yourestore Akachi's soul then convert to Kelemvor so you can be together 5ever
lmaoing @ your life choices
>>332171303
>took more than two levels of fighter
>>332171459
oh right, NWN was 3rd not 3.5 edition so you can get weapon spec in level two.
>>332171410
Honestly, that sounds like as good an ending as the actual game's (either of them)Man, I really want to write this, now
>>332171573Nah, you do need 4 fighter levels for weapon Spec. I'm just fucking with you
>obsidian drones will defend this
>>332171947
AHH RED ROBES! KILL IT!
>>332171996
That anon, who told me about dance with spies on these days, are you there?
>>332172778
Indeed I am!What's up?
>>332172778
>dance with spies
>male protagonist
>isnt finished yet
>sexualized nymphoimoen
No sir, I dont like it.
>>332173172
I still can't trigger these scenes, do you believe?
I find a right way in conversation after kate/sharna/imoen, but after that nothing. I must go to betancuria for the second time, will they appear after that? Or i already screwed it?
Module version v110 by the way.
>>332173336I didn't like those parts either, especially Imoen
I did think there were plenty of great scenes, though. How far did you get?
>>332173369
I do, actually - considering how damn unintuitive it is.
Still, fuck. Give me a minute, I'll see if I can find my testing savefiles and work out if I missed something.
>>332174074
Also i'm playing with exported Alan with lvl 11 from the first playthrough. Maybe he has some plotflags that prevent new scenes to appear, i'm not sure how it works.
>>332174074
>I did think there were plenty of great scenes, though. How far did you get?
I beat it about a year ago. Havent seen any recent changes made.
When I played there was a lot of unused content, like some hidden dungeon in the library, some unused stores and such. I remember some engineer room with a bunch of golems and powerful crossbows that was not tied to anything.
OK I'm reinstalling this shit after some years. What are some best modules for both games?
>all those NWN threads
I feel young again
>fucking love BG1 and 2
>played a bit of NWN 2 OC
>constant crashes and shit story/writing
>heard NWN 1 is pretty bad too
>Pillars of Eternity a shit
Is Icewind Dale at least good?is it feasible to go through with 6 paladins?
>>332175059
no
play MotB
>>332174335
>i'm not sure how it works.
Me either :/
Sorry for taking a while with this, I tried moving my install to my main computer, which fucked up, and now I'm trying to get ADWS working again since I've been playing other modules lately.
>>332174349
There was a version released late last year that added a couple scenes, I'm not sure how many though. I'm not sure how much of that unused still is still so.
I liked a few, the ones with a high-relationship Kate in particular, as well as Taris ones, the first couple with Sharna and a couple of the oneshots likeMelissaPersonally think the Mistress Kate and some of the cuckolding-triggered ones (youxKate, KatexImoen, Kate makes Imoen fuck you) were hot as fuck
Eventually I got kinda bored with the rest of the module though, so I just kept trying to trigger cool intermissions and spend as little effort as possible on the actual story.It helps that by probably the second conversation with her I'd dissociated Imoen from her BG character anyway
>>332175059
>heard NWN 1 is pretty bad too
What.
Go play HotU, now.
>>332175059
>heard NWN 1 is pretty bad too
You've been rused.
>>332175171
>>332175186
Can I play MotB and HotU without having to sit through the OC?
>can't decide on what class to pick in HotU
>browsing through classes epic level feats/abilities etc
>nothing really jumps out a-
>Monks get glowing eyes
It was a good play through
>>332175059
Nwn1 has some good user made modules and Hordes.
Nwn2 has Mask of the Betrayerunless you hate people wearing red
>>332175245
HotU has some references to the OC but they're almost entirely inconsequential unless you're an Aribethfag.
Also Deekin from SoU but SoU isn't as good as HotU so you don't need to force yourself through that for Deekin's sake either.
>>332175245
Yeah. MotB continues with the OC character, but the connection is very loose and the story completely different.
How do character progress on epic levels, if he's not pure class? I mean feats acquiring.
>>332175245
Yes just read up a summary of the story so far. Also for MotB there's a console command to raise party limit by one and I recommend looking it up and using it. It will give you the best experience.
>>332174693
NWN
Ero:
-A Dance With Rogues (you're apureprincess!)
-A Dance With Spies, maybe? (Male PC)
Not Ero, but still adult:
-The Bastard of Kosigan 1-5 (glitchy as fuck, better/more fun growth and character progression than pretty much anything else I've played, qt waifus galore,full translation never ever
Non-ero/adult, but still worth a shot:
Tales of Arterra 1 and 2 (FUCKING PLAY THIS, it's amazing, especially as a fully-classed paladin; best original cosmos I've found)
NWN2:
-The Maimed God Saga
-Mask of the Betrayerexcept one of your companions wears red
>>332175270
Epic level monks are retard levels strong in Hordes of the Underdark
>faster run speed than everything else
>immune to disease and poison (iirc)
>passive damage reduction to literally fucking everything
>heal spell cos why not
>insane base attack
>can hit like 6-7 times a round
>insanely high armor
>wise as fuck so you can beat every insight checks
>get to punch satan to death
>>332175059
>>332175225
NWN is okay by video game story standards, I dont know why people trash it so much.
It has as good a story as most RPGs, better than some, worse than others.
At any rate its good enough to keep going.
>>332175320Red my mind
>>332175395
NWN one or two?
>>332175434
Forgot to mention, anyone who plays MotB do this
>>332175491
>NWN one or two?
One. Is there difference?
>>332175320
>>332175439
What's with this "people wearing red" maymarino?
>>332175459
To be fair pretty much everything is retard level strong once you get up to the epic level feats. Although my Cleric did feel a little underwhelming since a lot of enemies seemed to shrug off some of my spells, and the insta kill ones fail a lot.
>>332175548
It came from this guy >>332171947 arguing the game should give you option in conversation to kill anyone wearing red
>>332175548
Read recent nwn threads on arch.b4k.co
>>332175548
>he doesn't know about the red menace
welp, you gonna end up disintegrated behind your back
>>332175548
its a funny meme from sharky forums
>>332175579
>holy shit this Power Word Kill spell sounds awesome
>use it for the first time on a pack of enemies
>floor lights up with flashy divine magic
>shits about to go down
>oh boy oh boy oh boy
>nothing happens save for one guy who takes like 1/4 of his hp as damage
At least Destruction does what it says it does most of the time and turns niggas inside out
didnt read any of this shit, but do what i did, become a monk with proper setup, like human and pick goodass feats or whateve,r then when you hit like level whatever 8 + you become unstoppable and not even mummies can fuck with you. you will feel like a beast when you punch shit in the face while they try to futility curse you and shit. you could basically rule the world by level 13, throw on a shield if you want because i think theres a bug that lets that work in a positive manner somehow. but yeah fuck all these other people unless they said monk. MONK
>>332175548
scum wizard
>>332175176
>Sorry for taking a while with this
No problem.
It actually could be a new bug of v110. Just like docks after dhorn attack doesn't return to previous state, so all the doors are closed, no people/courtesans on the streets.
>try a paladin for my first ever NWN play through
>it's just a gimped fighter/cleric with fuck all offensive spells and less of the tankiness
Why people play this class in 3rd edition rules outside of rp purposes is beyond me
>>332175459
How did you beat Meph with a monk? He has 20/+5 soak and 20/- reduction for every type of melee damage.
>>332175546
Minor, but I'm not entirely sure what it is, quantitatively.
How I understand it:
Once you become an Epic character (take your 21st character level through any combination of classes) any feat you select can be any of the Epic feats you currently qualify for (including via feats taken previously on that level) as well as any you'd qualify for normally.
To get any bonus feats from an Epic Class, the /individual/ class level has to be Epic - 21+ for base classes and 11+ for Prestige classes.
The distribution of them is really fucking weird, though, so there's a table on the wiki for reference
>nwn.wiki.com/wiki/Bonus_feat
(ignore the first table)Make sure you take Devastating Critical, desu
>>332175995
Paladin really shines against undead, which make up a good chunk of enemies in the game, especially most of Act1. But I agree they are quite lackluster against everything else.
>>332175995
because its flat out better than a fighter
yeh fighters are THAT bad in 3.x
>>332175491
>>332175434
Alright I feel nice today so I went and found the console command for you homos.
At one point in the game you will get your fourth companion and the game will tell you there's not enough space. Just send someone back to the theater, then go there, type debugmode1 in the console then the shit in pic related and they will be yours forever. Remember to also type debugmode 0 at the end.I should probably make a starter guide with this shit and other useful info
>>332176104
It's been at least 5 years but I recall my attacks doing some kind of magic damage, probably Ki (they made a flashy explosion on hit) and may have been able to dispell stuff. I had so much hp and armor that I barely took any damage and Mephs hp dropped like crazy. It was actually the most anticlimactic fight with him compared to my Cleric, Champ of Torm and Wizard playthroughs.
>>332175320
>>332175324
>>332175375
Thanks guys.
I think I'm gonna go ahead and start with NWN1 and go through both expansions just cause, then I'll do 2.
Last question: Is there a class for either of them that just seems to "fit" better, story wise? not worried about power gaming, just worried about being a necromancer type guy if a story revolves around killing a necromancer.
>>332175995
>Bless Weapon
>HOLY SWORDDDDDDD
>Divine Might/Shield
>Judgement to the unrighteous
Istole a motherfucking babyand kept my Paladin levels, so how about that, desu?
>>332176337
For NWN2 and MotB you should play aFrenzied Berserker =)
>>332176337
Cleric for MotB, with the bonus of also being a pretty powerful and noob friendly class.
>>332176472
if you want hilarity play a cleric of kelemvor
>>332176228
wat? fighter is a breeze in nwn. it's even the recommended class when you create your character because it's so easy to steamroll shit.
the only hurdle you face in the entire game is your first fight with the sorcerer when you get inside the prison, the one who spits fireballs at you, and MAYBE Desther if you're under prepared.
>>332176419
but Transcendent Edge isn't even that good
dont bother with serious class creation, go to the item creator and create a strong weapon, shape it like a penis, and beat the game with a weapon shaped like a penis.
>>332176506
110% ironic, the meme skeltal god approves
>>332176520
the only reason fighters are halfway okay in nwn is because the game is
1: incredibly generous with good equipment
2: made for NWN weapon master PrC
3: every other class is missing core features
in 3.5 pnp the entire guide to playing a fighter is "roll a warblade instead"
>>332176520
Fucking hell that fight with Desther was intense. I never really had to micro manage anything before that point and actually use the pause/que command functions. Also thank fuck I had plenty of potions and pretty much every buff potion that was beneficial for my class
>that feel of terror when his hp is barely dropping but then the feeling of relief when you don't need to get him any lower than "injured" before he gives in
>>332176472
>not playing as a evil scythe weaponmaster
That fucking final fight.
>>332176741
Joke's on you I'm a cleric of Jergal with war domain.
>>332176741
>scythe build
>every enemy in the game is immune to crits
you hate yourself right?
>>332176337
In NWN1 there's nothing that particularly stands out.
There aren't any Ranger or Druid companions, I was always partial to those guys, even from a non-min/maxing stand point.
>>332176840
the crits are coming from inside his brain.
best class for NWN if you know what you're doing
Sorcerer with a pixie familiar (get a mute pixie sound mod, trust me you'll need it)
Sorcerers are flat out better than wizards given the limited number of useful spells in the game and a pixie pet allows you to reach pretty much all the rogue content
>>332176840
>not wanting to end the game with a rad scythe duel
you hate style right?
>>332176741
>tfw Myrkul's Wrath not in game
http://www.gamebanshee.com/cgi-bin/search/banshee_search.pl?_layout=NWN2_Items_Page&_cgifunction=search&NWN2_Items.id=2059
stop fucking around and show us your fucked up new character op get your shit in order bro the world's in fuckin danger.
>>332176978
if you really want to use every weapon ingame, get the ToB mod and pick a warblade, they can change their weapon feats at will
classes in it are a wee bit japanese inspired but on the other hand it can do a fairly insane move where its next attack gets x4 on all damage which is downright brutal with scythe
>>332176337
Paladin fits really well since Aribeth is one and sometimes comments on the fact. Like "Anon we have to do something! We share the same faith so you must feel the same etc". Also the quest is pretty epic and the Paladin class description alludes to pallys taking quests, even mundane ones, very seriously.
Cleric as well since there's a subplot involvingcorrupt clerics handing out evil blessings overseen by Desther the betrayer.
Oh and to there's also a sword called the Holy Avenger or something, which can only be used by Paladins & (maybe) Clerics, which is pretty badass. Not sure if that was in vanilla NWN though, might have appeared in the subsequent expansions.
>>332177239
NWN holy avengers are pretty tame compared to the BG2 one though
that blade was one of the main reasons Casavir was top tier
>>332176587
>but Transcendent Edge isn't even that good
Yeah? Well, who needs a specific weapon when I can have six attacks at +45 damage?
Plus, thematically it's both incredibly fitting and incredibly awesome.
>>332176697
>in 3.5 pnp the entire guide to playing a fighter is "roll a warblade instead"
I thought it was 'roll a FB instead, and turn every fight into a coin toss!'
>>332176980
Motb had some pretty neat items
http://www.gamebanshee.com/cgi-bin/search/banshee_search.pl?_layout=NWN2_Items_Page&_cgifunction=search&NWN2_Items.id=1917
that one is ingame but few people will ever see it
>>332176652
A final irony, even in this.
>>332177304
Yeah it only goes up to +4 or something, whereas by endgame you can end up with +8 or higher. A shame since the concept is great and I loved the idea of being a righteous crusading anti-mage that can shut down evil wizards and liches with the passive dispell.
>>332176587
>>332177314
Also,
>not wanting to be an adopted berserker romancing the love-of-your-lifered wizard
>>332176303
Thanks, anon-kun
>>332177395
Oh shit, you can actually get it? I knew about it, but didn't think you could. You have to kill all your companions, right?
>>332177562
played a wizard on my first run, romancing her was hilarious
by the time we left the beginning cave she practically proposed
So a Fighter is a good beginner character to roll for NWN1? What kinds of skills and feats are good, and which are shit and should be avoided?
Also,what's a good build for ADwR?
>>332175995
>Remember cleric multi-classing in NWN multiplayer
Specced right you could become Kenshiro with a sword for a minute or two.
>>332177620
Not just kill them, butDEVOUR THEIR SOULLLLLLLSSSSSI mean, they deserved it for trusting you, right?
>Not having Deekin as your sidekick
Maximum pleb
>Paladins in the Warcraft universe lore are beings literally infused with the Light, unstoppable juggernauts of fiery justice with even a single one able to turn the tide of a losing battle
>Paladins in NWN are just dudes who go to church and don't get a fright when they see a skellington
>>332177426
>mfw I realize I remember most of his lines in that conversationYou're an irony that walks, two fates bound together, both severed and incomplete
top bantz, gotta give it to ol' skull
>>332177620
yup, get them all to become hostile (should be easy if you know what you're doing), collect their essences (so use devour spirit on'm) and then craft 4 of them together
for style points cheat in myrkul's wrath and arrive with both of them and OOM in tow and go for "that" ending
>>332177761
The best moment in the game for sure
>>332177746
Deekin was great, had him in the 2nd expansion. 3rd expansion I forget who I had in the first part but I had Aribeth'sghoastin the second part. And turned that tsundere bitch into a purring waifu with the power of love.Shouldn't have Muad'dib'd the final big bad demon and used his name as a killing word so I could have had a proper fight, though
>>332177746
fun fact: Deekin is the strongest and highest leveled character in the entire NWN2 game
>>332177752
NWN Paladins don't have to wear pauldrons bigger than themselves, though.
>>332177746
>can become a Red Dragon Disciple
>RED
>>332177746
>that moment in HotU when Meph tries to convince him to leave your side and fight against you
>reading through all my options to keep him fighting with me
>lots of pursuade/intimidate ones
>last one is "Very well Deekin. But I will miss you" with no stat roll attached to it
>feel like he's going to leave me even after all the good times we had, and I'll genuinely be sad if he joins Meph so I pick that one
>he's so moved by it that he tells Meph to fuck off and we tag team him back to ice hell
almost made me cry every time ;(
>>332158092
Other than smite and bonuses to saves plus full BAB paladins are weaker than clerics simply because of the cleric spell options. A cleric can easily buff himself out during / before a fight and become death incarnate.
>>332156368
I was playing as sorc ,that mage which used cha.
Applying self "thorn" auras , stacking few spell resists i dont remember the names and turning into the steel golem. Everything that touched me died in 1 hit.
Shit was fun ,also I used to play shapeshifter and it was the only game that allowed me turn into the dragon.
Also as halforc barb with double sided axe.
>>332178110
>Bishounen demon fuckboy turned to Meph
Least my other companion didn't.
>>332178001
>not wanting to wear pauldrons bigger than yourself
this guy
>>332178110
>bioware writing
kek
>>332158976
That's a terrible combination.
Still spell ups the level on the spells you are casting and you nerf yourself of two levels of caster for a +2 attack bonus and some shitty bonus feats.
You're a dumbass.
>>332178110
>pick up Deekin's True Name because why not, what else do I do with all this dosh
>right before final fight, about to go through the door to Waterdeep
>talk to companions
>IXTHIA THE SCALESINGER
>Yes boss?
>Believe in yourself.
didn't think it could rain in Cania
>>332177686
Safiya acute
>>332177761
>>mfw I realize I remember most of his lines in that conversation
>top bantz, gotta give it to ol' skull
It's truly the best part of the whole game, utterly spine-tingling conversation.''[Eternal Rest] I will leave, Myrkul. But not before I grant you the /peace/ that you rightly deserve."
"For all your evils, let /justice/ be done at last"
"Judgement is the purview of gods! In all you do, you glorify me, spirit-eater... you stoke the embers of my soul!"
>>332177845
>taking OoM with you to the City of Judgement
>notletting him eat Myrkul, then killing-and-eating Myrkul-as-One
The only reason to leave him alive and take him with you is to get one of the best lines in the game (and, in my opinion, I prefer the climax and irony of dueling him)''FOOL! It is my MASTER that will hound the Gods' steps. AND THEY SHALL KNOW FEAR!''
>>332178565
>mfw people who take OoM fuck up andit turns against them after eating Myrkul or lol murders Safiya in the epilogue
>mfw they get mad
Serves them right for trusting the furnace jew.
>>332177697
>So is Fighter a good starter
Yeah, it's good enough, and it'll help you learn the mechanics
>good feats
If you want to be a weapon master or have a weapon you want to specialise in, Weapom Focus, Specialisation and (definitely) Improved Critical
I can't remember if Knockdown is still insanely broken in the fully patched version.
>Feats to avoid
Anything that only buffs your saves, initiative
>Also, what's a good build for ADwR?
Rogue/Fighter/Shadowdancer, anything else is challenge mode
RogueX/Fighter2/Shadowdancer 1 (just for HiPS) or 2 (if you get sick of all the dark areas you get chucked into without a torch and want innate Darkvision)
>>332178034
lel
>>332178034
>Flamethrower
>On a Red Dragon Disciple
Now you fucked up.
>>332179104
**saves, initiative, or skills
>>332178858
>Serves them right for trusting the furnace jew.
LelServes them right for killing Okku, you mean, right?
The first time I actually tried that option - letting him feed - was on purpose, as I was trying to be as cunning as possible and I hoped something would happen. Holy shit I was not expecting that, though.
>>332172778
>>332174335
>>332175976
ADWS anon, are you still here?
>>332179104
interestingly enough rogue1/sorcererX also works fine for Adwr if you remember to take knock, invisibility and detect traps
allows you to max charisma
>>332179275
Yes, i'm here. Did you figure out something?
>>332179104
I think open lock and disable trap DCs are very high, so taking fighter levels is not a good decision.
ORTANO, FORDIGUMA!
>>332179474
That's actually a good idea,I don't like playing a casterbut I can see it working well. Nice synergy, too - and it would mean you don't have to use UMD for the best armour or for scrolls, and can even neglect it entirely if you don't want to wear Boots of the Sun Soul. Clever, anon.
>>332179714
Only that now I can't reproduce the initial conversation on my end, either! Sorry dude, I'll keep digging.
>>332179848
With two levels you get levels of Discipline as a class skill, two bonus feats, all armour proficiencies, and martial weapons; you should have a decent-high Int and you can still hold over skill points to keep OL/DT maxed. I personally think it's worth itAnd if you really want to be unlocking/recovering anything, you'll be using a hell of a lot of Potions of Rogue's Cunning to make those DCs
>>332180341
>that ice storm animation
>>332180341
OBIDAL, NABORA, CESSNA!
I know it's probably asked all the time but are there any other mods like ADWR, that combine an adventure like in part 2 with romance and scenes/ flirting among the party going on while traveling?
>>332180387
At least do you remember something between katexsharnaximoen and first conversation with Kate about docks?
>>332181228
Gladiatrix.
About to start up NWN1 for the first time, not 100% sure on what class I should play as.
Narrowed it down to Paladin, Monk, or Fighter, all pure.
what do
>>332181531
>Monk if you want to be an invincible killing machine
>Paladin for rp purposes
>Fighter if you want to be boring but have a generally easy time
>>332181531
Fighter.
But i'd go with a druid, there's a little quest for him in OC.
>>332181531
They're all solid choices. Cleric is the absolute beast in this game, better than the paladin, I'd say.
Most importantly, these three all have pretty high hit die, so you shouldn't have trouble like Sorc and Wiz do, having absolutely no HP or armor on low levels.
>>332158092
Well >>332158324 is right, but it isn't as bad as he claims. Part 1 is hard as fuck for some characters, and the game gets pretty easy near the end as long as you do a good job grabbing gear after youlose it all.
Honestly, my first playthrough or two I did part 1, but now I Just skip straight to part 2. It's still fun.
>>332181792
Heard Cleric is also good for NWN2... is there a decent enough RP reason to pick a cleric other than being a priest or a healy fuccboi?
>>332181928
Nah, I don't think clerics get any special treatment in the OC or either of the expansions.
>>332181928
>healy fuccboi
You have no idea what you're talking about, son.
Clerics in NWN are full-plate armored killing machines, that also have access to the ridiculous arsenal of self-buffing as well as foe smiting spells, which they can cast without being afraid of spell failure chance, like arcane magic users.
>>332181928
Cleric of Kelemvor for MotB definitely
>>332182319
>Cleric of Kelemvor
This?
http://nwn2db.com/build/?46729
>>332175995
I don't get it. Do you guys just not take divine might/shield?
>>332182432
Sure, why not, I meant more from a RP perspective
>>332181928
>>332182148
Clerics get access to some pretty sick class spells that can fuck a lot of shit up. Also they're amazing in short term fights thanks to their one off offensive and defensive buffs, but you really see the weakness of a Cleric in long fights when your buffs wear off and suddenly you're hitting for peanuts and can't take much of a beating.
>>332175995
Paladins are sort of witch hunters in this game, more of anti-magic tanks with their high saving throws from cha.
>remember my first time playing nwn1
>no idea what d&d is, assume it works like diablo 2
>roll barbarian
>spend starting feat on heavy armor because hurr
>also pick exotic weapon proficiency because double axes are rad
>never use rage, play like a fighter
>waste feats on shit like iron will because the name sounded cool
>somehow make it to act 3 before losing interest
Wew, being 10 was fun.
>>332182647
Just like with every other caster.
Thankfully the fights simply don't go long enough if you're a cleric. Unless it's some scripted shit forced on you by the game's plot.
>>332182432
>no diplomacy
Gimped build.
>>332182524
Apparently not.
>tfw Bless Weapon/Prayer/Holy Sword/Divine Might/Divine Shield/Extended Divine Favour
>>332181357
Yeah, from what I (roughly) remember it goes KatexSharnaxImoen, then you talk to her in bed about your fantasies, then the whole cuckolding thing starts for realsies after you trigger the Mistress Kate scene(god that was hot as fuck)
But now I can't even find this fucking part of the conversation!
Bear with me, I remember it being really difficult to find the first time as well - like, only one specific conversation path brings it up.
Curse you, mod creator!
>>332182726
>no access to magic dispell outside of Holy Avenger
>no passive reduction to spells/elements
>no access to Cleric like buffs/debuffs
>paladins being anti-mages
anti undead, yeah ok. but anti-mage/lich? just wat
>>332182926
Well, you don't need dispel if you resist the spell in the first place.
>>332182839
>for realsies after you trigger the Mistress Kate scene
I think that thing is after Betancuria/Shipwreck actually, talking about temple also.
>But now I can't even find this fucking part of the conversation
What conversation, after the first arrival from Betancuria? Choose something like "well-well, what do we have here" and then just masturbate in front of them.
>>332182830
Sorcerers & Wizards have enough hard hitting spells that fights are over very quickly. Clerics on the other hand have only a handful of offensive spells and many of them completely suck like the negative energy bursts/rays, sunbeam, sunstrike and power word kill. Strip away those few good spells, the offensive/defensive buffs and they're a gimped fighter
>>332182926
They are anti-everything but things with crazy high AC. Their damage is just as good if not better than a fighter against low-mid AC targets. It is lower against high AC targets, that is true, but they have high AC themselves and can't die. Not to mention their saving throws basically make them immune to anything that isn't a direct damage spell, and even those tickle.
>>332183181
With clerics you just go full wargod mode, buff yourself and just slap shit with your weapon.
And if everything else fails you can always useharm.
>>332183092
>I think that thing is after Betancuria/Shipwreck actually, talking about temple also.
Naw, I mean that she only starts acting on it/going to the docks once you trigger the Mistress Kate scene (you're right about it being after the second visit to Bentacuria btw) but I'm fairly sure you do have to initialize it way back after the first homecoming (to KatexSxI)
But now no matter what I do in the homecoming event itself, I can't find the path of the in-bed conversation that gets her to actually talk, that's all.God, the more I do this the more and more I just want to punch this module designer in the face
I just realized that I've never actually played the first NWN and this thread made me want to. Can you do the whole OC and the expansions in some sort of co-op mode with friends? Preferably if it works via LAN or some other simple method.
>>332183396
>implying you wouldn't be usinghealinstead
>>332183586
Well, when I fought that Dracolich in HotU I had to use heal on him, because he was undead obviously.
nwn is too hard, when I played it I just made a fighter with the recommended stats and skills
>>332183689
Haha, yeah, I was just making a joke about how common you fight undead bosses in the game.
>>332183691
Shoulda played a CODzilla, anon-kun
>>332183571
Yes, and any of your major VPNs work fine. You will have to update manually, which is annoying. Make sure you all have different CD keys. If you get stuck, there is a file in the main directory that lets you change the CD keys, just try different combos. Good luck.
>>332183532
So the cutscene about docks(while you in Betancuria) is the first, but actual dialogues from flat_cuckold happens after it, right?
>>332156368
NWN1 Class Tier List
>God Tier:
Druid
>Top Tier:
Wizard, Sorcerer, Cleric, Shifter
>High Tier:
Champion of Torm, Black Guard, Bard, Weapon Master
>Mid Tier:
Paladin, Harper Scout, Pale Master, Fighter, Red Dragon Disciple, Dwarven Defender
>Low Tier:
Monk, Ranger, Rogue, Assassin, Shadow Dancer, Arcane Archer, Barbarian
>>332182839
>Gimped build.
Most of the builds on that site are built for dedicated PVP.
>>332183532
Yes, dialogue about fantasies is right after katexsharnaximoen when you're going to sleep.
>>332183571
I'd skip the OC if I were you
