>mfw I cringe remembering when many people on /v/ (including myself) were hyping up the "return" and "new golden age of WRPGs" thanks to Kickstarter
>mfw all of them ended up mediocre and terrible
Let's break them down, shall we?
>Shadowrun (Dragonfall and Hong Kong)
Gender and race selection literally don't effect the game in a meaningful way
Linear as fuck
iOS menus and design
Terrible combat
Nobody uses the creation tools because the games suck
>Wasteland 2
No true role playing thanks to the shitty party system
No replay value due to the shit tier character building system
Energy weapons are complete shit even with the best ones equipped
Certain poorly designed combat sections make you resort to using LAWs and RPGs to win (the brothel)
>Pillars of Eternity
Lore dump dialogue
Bland and boring setting
Terrible, nonsensical balance (no combat for EXP but the game is full of trash mob combat)
Party relationships are complete shit (party members never do their own thing aka acting like real characters and not just your combat slaves)
agreed but what are you gonna do?
Divinity Original sin was good at least....
>>332132270
same guy posting this fucking thread and the witcher vs dragon age thread like three times a fucking day. fuck your shitty pasta
Underail was good
>>332133706
yeah but it could have been better
>>332132270
Or you could bother with what those games did right instead and enjoy them for what they were.
Oh, yeah, /v... sorry. Keep on being miserable by your own misguided elitism.
>>332132270
fuck off cunt
>>332132270
I agree with you, but
>Gender and race selection literally don't effect the game in a meaningful way
I can't think of even a single not-MMO game that avoids this.
>>332134310
Fallout 1/2
Baldur's Gate 2
I like the one where you name all the new rpgs as shit, go back to that pasta, this one is stale af
>>332132270
>only played Returns
>still lumps in Dragonfall and Hong Kong in your shitty pasta even though you haven't played them
Posting your hours made you look fucking WORSE, good job you utter, fucking, retard.
>>332134821
>Posting your hours made you look fucking WORSE
How?
Dragonfall is shit no matter how far you get into it
>>332134602
>Baldur's Gate 2
This is my favourite game of all time, I've replayed it many times and I honestly can not remember any difference between races/genders. Are you referring to the racial bonuses? 'Cos I guess they count, even if it's a very boring way to go about it.
>>332135371
Certain quest givers wouldn't interact with you based on your race or some people would outright attack you
>>332135371
>Baldur's Gate 2
>my favourite game of all time
MFW playing Shadowrun after finishing XCOM.
>>332135489
Huh. Guess it's time for another replay.
only problem with shadowruns combat is the flanking and cover system doesn't make any sense
If you want my legit criticisms:
Shadowrun:
>Combat is jank even after massive improvements made from Dragonfall Special Edition and on.
>Pretty bad quest-flag bugs resulting in busted dialogue and stuff not happening when it should
>All three games try a little too hard to do the Shadowrun thing where your actions ended up not meaning dick in the grand scheme of things and you're still these pathetic little worms because OMG EPIC AWESOME COOL DRAGONS JUST OWN EVERYTHING INCLUDING YOU
>You didn't really end up accomplishing much in Returns, Dragonfall explicitly makes your quest feel like a waste of time and has you end with a convo with one of the dragons who basically pulls the "heh we're pulling the strings here, watch as you are forced to watch your oblivious MC not understand his Kiez and the Free State are doomed!" card, Hong Kong was awesome until you're given a completely bullshit no-win situation at the end of the extended mission.
Pillars of Eternity:
>Insanely uninteresting world and lore despite the good writing
>Very jank balance
>Insane amounts of shitty trash-mob combat
>Party members are by and large bland and uncharacterized minus a few notable standouts
>>332132270
Thats because they fucked up, they ware suppose to be these up to date in in depth good games, with voice acting and streamlined stats
What we got was absolute minimum voice acting, fucking shit tier clunky controls, fucking shit tier graphics, atmosphere, walls upon walls of fucking text and absolutely autismal outdated assburger stat system and combat system that followed some pen and paper shit formula
None of the three games ware that interesting, long or unique they ware just so mediocre especially considering that they ware pay'd for already by the people that ended up buying them again once they ware finished. They had all this time to study shit, to learn shit about games and story telling, they had so much breathing space and they gave us the most bland awful shit
>>332136603
>completely bullshit no-win situation at the end of the extended mission
What are you referring to? I hope its not the choice to get your SIN back or not. Also your other comments just smack of someone that knows nothing about the universe.
Why are people responding to this pasta?
>>332136850
>judging a crpg by how much voice acting it has
spot the millennial
>>332135548
global rule #2
>>332136603
>>332136850
Name one (1) good CRPG
>>332136603
>Pillars of Eternity:
>>Insanely uninteresting world and lore
I love how PoE gets shit for its boring world and lore when Witcher and DA are worse but get by because of presentation and voice-acting.
Medieval fantasy is shit. Across the board. Medieval fantasy made by americans even worse so. Has been for a long time now.
>>332137242
nwn
>>332137119
I'm sorry, are modern day standards to much for you ? fuck good voice acting, it adds nothing to game anways rofl right ?
>>332137242
Divinity original sin
>>332137328
fuck off subhuman weeb
>>332137354
modern day standards
>mcfucking kill yourself
>>332137242
>CRPG
Sengoku Rance
>>332137345
I'm playing through shadows of undrentide and holy fuck drow are the worst. I keep having to go through those portals and waves of them keep coming.
>>332132270
>Energy weapons are complete shit even with the best ones equipped
The hell are you talking about? You can get up to 300 damage per turn with the gamma ray blaster.
>>332136993
>Also your other comments just smack of someone that knows nothing about the universe.
Not him but the Shadowrun universe kind of sucks and people only put up with it because it's the only mainstream cyberpunk PnP.
>>332137328
And any RPG made by Japanese developers is even worse.
>>332137345
>>332137419
>>332137452
>good
>>332137434
>>332137518
>shit on medieval fantasy
>ergo, plays jrpgs
Kill yourselves.
>>332136993
The whole thing where Auntie asks you to burn the warehouse, yeah.
It doesn't really make a lot of sense to burn the warehouse because even if you do, you just fucking leave Hong Kong anyway with the Yellow Lotus. The fuck does Auntie care if she's gonna just pack up shop when Ares rolls in?
But nah we gotta have that so we can set you against Duncan.
Duncan wants his life back, but you can't make the corp cop a deal to give Duncan his SIN back but just leave yours burned.
So it's either you get your SIN back and be a liability to your team (nevermind SINner was one of my preferred "negative" traits because unless you had an asshole adversarial GM having a SIN largely only fucked you when you were an idiot) and not be able to run anymore, or leave Duncan's burned and he hates your guts forever and never speaks to you again.
I can't even try to convince Duncan his SIN isn't worth the trouble? I mean, what the fuck did his SIN do for him before? Some asshole pencil-pusher HKPF cop was able to burn his SIN in a second- this is before we even hit the AAA corps throwing their weight around. Someone could easily do it again, and believing that your Shadowrunner exploits are just expungible is hilariously naive.
The whole point of the base Hong Kong experience was that with patience, persistence, investigation, and wisdom you could turn a no-win scenario into a winnable scenario. This is just making me pick between alienating my adopted brother forever, or ending up working at a fucking stuffer shack so he can go be a cop again.
Haven't played any of those because who gives a fuck but it sounds like the problem is with you and your ridiculous standards lol
I mean, how many of your favourite games as a kid had notable flaws?
>>332137678
Your comment reeks of a pretentious weeb with a superiority-complex
its 2016
you can stop pretending baldurs gate 1 & 2 were good games now
>>332137773
>Haven't played any of those because who gives a fuck but it sounds like the problem is with you and your ridiculous standards lol
>I mean, how many of your favourite games as a kid had notable flaws?
>your ridiculous standards
What does it tell you about my """""ridiculous standards""""" when a buggy and incomplete game like Fallout 2 is still a better game than the Witcher series or any modern WRPG like Shadowrun or Pillars of Eternity?
>>332137434
Good goy, enjoy substandards, just like good ol days ;)
>>332138013
>fallout 2
>literally r eddit: the game
opinion discarded
>>332138193
>>literally r eddit: the game
It predates meme culture but nice try homo
>>332137828
>"your shit is shit"
>"at least it's not as shit as j-shit"
>"it's still shit"
>"y-you're a weeb"
If weebs had superiority complexes they wouldn't play retard babby shit like jrpgs. Stop deflecting. Medieval fantasy is fucking cancer.
>>332138193
>i've never played Fallout 2 but i think i'll shit on it all the same just based on shit I read here
>>332138442
back to rebbit
>>332137975
What's wrong with them?
>>332138585
babbys first arr pee gee
>>332138497
>proving his point
Nice.
>>332138628
Answer the question.
>>332138661
>pretending to be another person
thats pretty sad, rebbitor
>>332132270
loosen your fedora kid you probably werent even alive during the golden crpg age
>put at least 8 hours into NWN2
>absolutely hate it because of real time with pause combat and the huge bias against martial classes
All I want to do is get all the interesting dialog checks and hit things real good without fooling around with magic. Is that too much to ask?
>>332139032
nwn is garbage just like bg
>>332139032
DnD 3 and on in general don't like fighters and other melee-only classes.
>>332137345
Faggot. Unplayable piece of middling crap. NWN2 at least had a few moments of fun scattered through it.
>>332133469
It had horrible crafting and loot systems, an extremely poor grasp of tone in its writing, and bizarre puzzles that tripped up the pacing at the worst times.
The fundamental combat systems were great, as were the general atmosphere and the graphics and environmental design, but the game was hard to take seriously in any way.
>>332137328
>witcher has bad world and lore
>hasn't read the books or played the first two witcher games
>>332139032
>All I want to do is get all the interesting dialog checks
You sound like that bitch wot wanted RPGs without gameplay. Having said that, real-time-with-pause is fucking cancer.
>>332139443
Pure melee classes get shit skill points per level and are essentially locked out of content for no real reason.
