So tuesday it starts? What builds are you guys going. Im thinking of being a Ponk
Cleric>Priest>Priest>Priest>Monk>Monk>Monk
or
Wizard>cryo>cryo>cryo>sorc>necro>necro
cant decide
>>332100038
I was thinking about wizard>cryo3>sorc3, I'm more interested in demons than undead.
I thought f2p starts in april
>>332100209
F2p does, but march 29th begins the founder server.
>>332100209
its just 10 bucks to get a month head start.
Gonna go for squire. I want to chill in fields with strangers and get to know players. I figure if I level arrest to 10 or 11 I can at least CC a whole pull for a few seconds.
I really wish C3 squire had SOMETHING to use in dungeons, though. The buff it has is completely shit. A short range debuff cleanse would be neat. Run up and slap someone out of stun.
>>332100151
I usually play necros when games have them, They have stopped putting them in games alot since eq2
>>332100379
>>332100325
oh okay, no thanks
>>332100397
Why dont they have a upgrade for squire called knight or something.
is there any in depth build discussion anywhere?
2 days is too long
>>332100727
You can play with a skill simulator if you want. I wouldn't recommend asking /tosg/ or anybody else though, for some reason in spite of there being almost 60 classes people are really hesitant to deviate away from any build path that doesn't end in a rank 7 class, probably because that's how RO worked or something.
>>332100629
To be fair, the entire swordsman tree is full of what are basically knights.
I'm going to assume centurion will more than likely be the popular upgrade to squire considering it's a whole class full of party-play and buffing your party/guild. Murmillo might be neat if it has some CC or Debuffs, though. I'll be going swordsman > pelt > hop1 > hop2 > squire3 so far.
>>332101562
you think a cleric/priest3/monk3 will be stronk?
How comfy is the music?
>>332101665
You can do that if you want but I think that particular build path is kind of outclassed by that new Chaplain class and people have said some buffs don't work on the Double Punch move.
>>332101835
amazeballs
>>332102172
kill yourself
>>332100872
Actually it's because later unlocked classes have massive power boosts over those available at earlier levels.
It sucks, especially considering the game is 100% scale-able on all levels. Most abilities just scale so poorly due to how they're made.
For instance, bash lvl 3 is low damage but good because it's attribute makes it knock down. Good! Guardian sucks because the flat numbers it gives are minuscule even once it's available, but it's attribute lets it buff your evasion by a percentage while active. Good the whole game if you go dex build!
Meanwhile, Thrust lvl 15 is 258 damage - no overheat. It can bleed w/ attribute but only on stunned enemies.
Dragoon's Dragontooth lvl 1 does 477 damage. I'd say it's strictly better.
I actually agree with your sentiment, by the way, but the reason for this thought process makes sense.
>>332101665
Never really looked into that tree since my friend was going to go monk. What skills are you planning on using?
>>332100038
Wizard 3 was suffering.
>>332101835
maximum comfy. They actually got soundtemp back for some (all?) of the tracks.
I'm going to be playing this with a few friends and we're all pretty hardcore players. I'm going swordsman, would I be better off building towards DPS for leveling, or building as a tank so we can grab huge globs of enemies and AOE them down?
>>332103000
i dunno just yet.
Is the game nexon level on pay2win? I remember a thread with a lot of complains about cash items.
I remember that some class features, like Wugushi's poison pot, didn't even work in the second icbt. Have they fixed those yet?
>>332103578
No, AFAIK everything in the cash shop is cosmetic or "time savers". There's nothing pay2win yet.
>>332103514
Well, look up some monk builds for now. The good news is there will be (paid) stat/skill reset, just no class reset.
My friend wanted to go kamehameha build but read it was underwhelming (I would still do it, too badass not to) and instead went battle priest into double punch build. Double punch is apparently the go-to monk build.
http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/
this skill calc has videos for most skills if that helps your choices.
Do bots still work? I'm too lazy to grind the old way.
>>332103293
Grabbing Peltasta for the aggro skill goes really well with a mage in your party
But I advise against going full tank/support/healer in this game, all characters need to be able to deal damage
I was in the two betas this game is boring and broken as fuck.
fuck these shills.
Shit game. Won't last more than half a year before it's dead.
>>332104315
I thought it was fun. Runs like garbage though why the hell is the game so fucking resource intensive?
How good is the Musketeer and Corsair? the only classes i'm interested.
>>332101835
The ost is already big as iro now
SFA does a good mix of fantasy music
SoundTemp gets the techno right
Bunch of other artist too
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bpwdGKW1ZsU
>>332104482
Musketeer is apparently the end all be all of single target damage. Corsair is pretty decent but it's a pirate so it gets style points. Unfortunately the class will be 10% scurvy dogs and 90% Kiritos.
>>332103775
>time savers
>not pay2win
I fucking love millennials
>pedo weebshit
rock bottom
>>332104807
Pay2win is something that gives you an advantage that another player CANNOT obtain in-game through any other means. For example, if I pay $5, I get a 10% damage boost or something.
Leveling up faster isn't fucking P2W retard.
>>332104780
>90% Kiritos
I admit not much makes me laugh here but that got me good
>>332104914
>game is about grinding out of your uterus
>lvl up faster isn't p2w
Oh man i can't wait for the VIP access pack
>>332104914
With a level cap this high +exp shit is gamebreaking in terms of PvP and late-game content.
>>332104429
Shit really? I thought it can run fine on mid range PCs. Is there at least optimization options in game to make it better?
People expecting Ragnarok will be disappointed. The music and art style are similar, but ultimately the game isn't a breakaway from modern MMO concepts.
People expecting the savior of MMOs will be disappointed. This still isn't it.
But don't lose the hype, here's a reason to play: Guild war declarations are one-sided. You can declare war on any guild, as long as you know where their tower is, and they cannot refuse. War means you can PK them anywhere that isn't a town for 7 days.
What happens in practice is that any unwanted groups, such as BRs or pinoys, will get killed on sight by everyone, without mercy.
More than half of the people who bought the founder's packs are either BR, Russian, or SEA. There'll be no shortage of targets to hunt.
I was able to play in the last beta and to be honest I am not exactly sure if the game is worth putting time in. It's grindy as fuck, which is not so bad and some people even tend to enjoy that. But limitations without VIP status are quite big and I don't really wanna spend money every month at a game I am not sure about how long it will survive.
>>332105471
In the beta tests I had to go into the config files and mess with stuff because there weren't options for some of it. I looked into it a few weeks ago and apparently they did some optimization improvements+added the ability to disable other players' ability effects but yeah too many people on screen makes the game run like shit and it's my main concern for the game.
>>332105583
One last thing. Do not listen to the opinion of anyone on /v/ who played the international tests. The game's completely different now.
>>332103578
You can't trade with other players unless you pay.
>>332105583
Hunting scum sounds fun. Might give it a another shot then.
>>332105373
>tos
>pvp
>late-game content
dude wtf
>>332105752
I played those and hated it. What changed?
>>332103715
Anyone?
>>332106085
>Clipping in sprite styled models.
>>332105752
Id like to a ask a few questions.
One where is the shinobi.
Two give me the shinobi.
>>332106207
But the models are in 3d. They have a sprite-like style but they are 3d models.
Is the game fairly solo friendly?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgYEZicGUk8
>>332105936
They fucking casualized the grinding. More dungeons, daily quests and missions, etc.
Thanks to faggot who complained about the grind in iCBT2. Now IMC thinks we want another WoW clone. Thanks again, casuals.
>>332106085
Everything works properly as intended now.
>>332106379
Come into /tosg/ so we can shower you with memes.
If you absolutely need to know, all 3 currently implemented hidden classes have their quests known. Pretty much everything is datamined hours after the patches hit.
Are necromancers as shit as they say?
>>332106530
Yes there's a party finder. The last dungeon you pretty much need a specially designed team for and I think some things like alchemist potion ingredients and some pets you need to be in a guild to get though.
>>332106528
>sprite style models = models that resemble the style of sprites
>>332105770
But auction house is open to all, non paying people get 1 listing at a time thought right? Which is still pretty shitty. I remember a post on NA blog saying they understand the problems in KR and is working on solutions in NA, or something like that. I guess we'll see next week if they changed anything.
>>332106693
That's not solo friendly which is what he was asking.
So i've got a question. There will be two servers? One for people that bought that early month pass and one for f2p? Will the f2p be able to play in the first server after it goes free?
Also i dont know shit about the game other than the videos because didnt get in the beta. What class would resemble knights/crusaders from Ro?
>>332106791
You don't get to set your own price for the item m8, IMC controls the market. Can't trade silver through trade even if both players have tokens, so enjoy selling your extra rare items for nothing in the auction house.
>>332106850
Party finder in dungeons gives massive exp boost, non-dungeon grinding is trash now.
>>332106791
You can list 1 item at a time and you lose 30% of the profits if you don't have a token
1 to 1 trading is completely off limits if you don't have a token, and even if you do it's not going to be implemented at the start.
>>332107057
and you can only get that 600% boost if you do party finder
Meaning if you want to play with friends or guildmates or whatever, you're shit out of luck. You either play with randoms for full exp or play with your friends for 1/6 of the exp.
And remember, it's only 2 dungeon runs TOTAL per day.
>>332106984
Because of the way the class and stats system are, nothing come close to the RO classes.
I was a fan of RO and got baited into this game, don't do the same mistake anon.
>>332107057
>Can't trade silver through trade even if both players have tokens
Is it too much to hope that this results in a bartering system of sorts?
This game honestly sounds like another boring theme park MMO where nobody speaks to each other because everything is easy.
>>332107664
That won't work, all items have a a trade limit, it's just that you can only see it on weapons.
So if you trade for some item like say a recipe, the amount of times it can be traded goes down, but you won't know that
So you can have the cool thing where you but a tradeable item and suddenly it becomes impossible to trade (but there will be nothing that says it can't be traded except for an error message when you try to trade it)
>>332107801
It's more like nobody talks to each other because IMC shuts down the chat server due to the race war on BRs.
>>332106778
Ah ok sorry, I thought you meant the models WERE sprites.
>>332108009
Oh damn. Black Desert blocked all those BRs. These guys should do the same.
Wow a tos thread on /v/ that's actually decent
Can someone explain to me this tower of earth thing? Everyone seems to think it's the end all and IF YOUR CLASS BUILD ISNT GOOD FOR IT KILL YOURSELF
>>332108009
I kind of want to join a guild solely for the inevitable race wars.
>>332108157
BRs have the option to either use international or their local servers, which means they are almost guaranteed to play on the international because they won't want to play with each other.
>>332108245
It's a multi floor challenge where you have to kill all the monsters within a time limit, or else you lose.
The only reason it's hard is because the stuff inside the tower is the same level as the current cap. Once we get a highest cap and Rank8 classes it'll become fodder content.
>>332108245
It's the last dungeon meant to be done at max level, it has 20 floors total and nobody has gotten past the 7th or 8th one that I'm aware of. Main issue people have is that there's a time limit on each floor and the mobs have a billion HP+attack with unevadeable magic damage when you are in range.
>>332106556
>come to tosg
>WHERE EVERY CLASS QUESTION IS TOLD TO FUCK OFF
>AND EVERY BUILD QUESTION IS DROWNED IN NICEBUILDGREATBUILD MEMES
Yeah no
Tosg is about as bad as the reddit
>>332108245
>Zones in RO for decent grinding required specific builds if you didn't want to get stomped.
>Still had random groups suffering in those maps but having fun.
>With new maps the builds required change.
And nothing happened, people maybe had trouble from x to y levels because they had to farm in less optimal maps but hey, it wasn't the end of the world.
The problem is the playerbase mindset, specially with MOBAs players moving to MMOs, where you can't have fun and always do whatever you must do.
My first characters will be shit, I'm sure of that, but my main in RO was a shitty monk who didn't max acolyte and just picked whatever monk skills I wanted and I still had fun for months.
>>332108773
Can you blame us? We've been literally drowing in "please help me with my build" for over a week, and it's the same garbage builds. Tanks with max level peltasta buffs, wizards with the worst spells, archers with the wrong skills maxed, etc etc.
Sorry if you got your feelings hurt on 4chan. Lurk more.
>>332108993
Good build.
How am i suppose to figure out what i want.
There is literally so much shit and if i do something wrong ill be a sucky lvl 600 with nothing good
>>332108993
And that's why you shouldn't tell people to go there, people like you
Go open it right now, they're discussing shit tier fan art, THEYD RATHER DO THAT
>>332109205
Just accept that you will fuck up. It is an inevitable part of life. After playing a bit and fucking up dozens of builds, you'll figure out what does and doesn't work.
>>332100038
I'm doing Archer, Quarrel3, Hunter3 for a pavise and pet build, even though it will be suboptimal.
When my friends are on, I'll likely do a healer or tanky squire depending on what they play
>>332109442
BuT i dont wanna have to get 600 more levels agian :O
>>332108773
That's because /tosg/ is populated by the some shitposters from the shittiest general that ever infested /vg/
/rog/
>>332109442
The problem is the scary feeling of lvling up weeks or months to a shitty build. You can fuck up builds in diablo 2 or path of exile, but lvling up a character again just takes a few days.
>>332100038
Is monk any good on TOS? I'm not sure if I should try monk or ninja.
People who want to go into a branching class/stat MMO and not fuck up their first character are literally babies. That's the very nature of this kind of game.
Man the fuck up, at least it's not like Ragnarok where it takes forever to reroll.
>>332105141
when the game is grind paying to skip the grind gets rid of all gameplay
I want to know the sepherd skills, I want to have a cute dog companion.
What is the best build for bokor?
>>332110430Good build.
I want to do full cryomancer + full sorcerer
I only got up to cryo 3 during cbt
Waiting for open beta now
>>332110171
It is good but it's mixed support+damage it's not like RO Monk with asura strike and pure damage.
>>332110662
>Asura strike.
Man, I still remember being the literal nuker of the party, staying behind everyone and when some stray boss appeared I knew I had to launch AS and if it didn't die they would finish it.
And then do another nothing for...how long it was? 20 minutes?
>>332110171
I played up to monk c2 in cbt2.
It sucked. Double punch all day and paying for stamina pills.
The energy beam skill was underwhelming too.
>>332110430
If you don't max summon zombies, there's no point in playing Bokor.
>>332111054
I was thinking, cleric/kriv2/bokor3/plauge doctor. but i dont know how or what to use skills on or what is the best way to distro points.
>>332100038
I'll wait until April, then spend some bucks if they stop making retarded decisions.
As for builds, since swordies got nerfed to the ground I'll roll a healslut build (probably Cleric c2/Priest c3/Chaplain/Plague Doctor)
>>332110662
>>332111014
Oh man, I was actually hoping for RO-like monk. Guess I will go with ninja then.
Thanks, anons.
I want to support mongolian pride with hackapell but they arent in the game yet because fuck me I guess.
How painful would it be to make a support/tank warrior that's literally all defensive stats?
So, Swordsman - Pelstata - Pelstsata - rodelero - squire - squire - templar
If I put literally everything I have into con I'd do essentially no damage, but become an unkillable god tank in PVE, wouldn't I?
Anyone know if they made the hunter pet not completely retarded like it was in beta?
>>332115060
Nobody needs a tank in this game
Everyone with Peltesta 1 is already a tank
>>332115060
Well, no, you wouldn't.
Squire buffs are flat and fairly low, making them turbo garbo.
Lategame is all magic all the time in terms of damage.
Magic cannot be blocked and at the upper end enemies will be raping your hp regardless of how much con you stack (and every class will be pumping con like a madman because it's one of the only stats that is actually somewhat useful)
rod is absolute garbage
templar does absolutely nothing except allow you to make a guild tower
basically a character with templar is worse than a character without it.
>>332116838
Magic can be tanked if you go full SPR, even CON/SPR is ok
>>332101835
Tracks are good, but they do this weird thing where they extend one track over several loading screen AND play two different tracks on one same area. It really is off-setting, and kinda immersion breaking IMO. It's like listening to a separate audio player.
>>332110430
I don't know how much changed since I last played it but the voodoo doll stuff was really shitty. Took way too much mana and you couldn't spam it as much as you'd like. However they did make it so multiple bokors could activate the 3rd hit damage together. Also a super weird thing was that the monkey skull you use to lure zombies would do a stupid amount of damage if you could hit the boss with it.
I really love the idea behind Krivis but I don't know if they're really worth it in practice. The Crit buff is kind of whatever and if you're going to take the max +buff spell you have to max it out. The little campfire is super comfy but really didn't do that much. And as much as I love Zaibas it doesn't cut it at all in areas with lots of monsters or higher level areas. I put like 20% damage into it plus the magic bonus from Zalciel and it barely kills 3 enemies.
Don't know how well it holds up but early/mid game getting priest just for blessing is probably way stronger.
>>332118681
Apparently Zaibas has double Int scaling; it gains one point of damage per hit per point of Int, and since Int increases magic damage that also increases the damage per hit by one again. Clerics still can't nuke as hard as mages because their number of hits is spread out when hitting multiple enemies rather than hitting them all at the same time but Zaibas scales pretty decently.
>>332119425
Yeah but double int scaling still falls off later on as +2dmg per int isn't that much when enemies have shitloads of hp and you get 1 overheat and a 30s CD.
Like you can burn an entire zaibas on 1 big normal mob or 1 on 1-3 smaller units
And it doesn't work on flying units.
It is a solid okay move, but being your only source of real damage is not good at all.
General consensus on corsair and his usefulness in pvp?
>>332100379
>just 10 bucks
Not everyone sleeps on money like you.
>>332100038
monk
>>332120587
>10
>alot
Please be poorfag somewhere else
>>332120482
The problem with corsair is that people don't want you in their group. Every group only needs one and for everyone to get the benefits he needs to be the leader. In the closed beta there were a lot of pirates who would hijack a party and kick people to let their friends in. After all its way easier than starting as 2 people and recruiting 3 more (especially since chat was broken almost the whole time), plus you get access to heavily contested grinding areas. That really spoiled everyone's opinion of them.
>>332121572
Every group only needs one and for everyone to get the benefits he needs to be the leader
Is it because of Jolly Roger? I didn't really plan to dump any points into that because pvp fag and future woe build.
>>332121270
SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIL
>>332121270
fuckin Rockerfeller over here dumping 1 week's worth of ramen to get a game 2 weeks earlier
>>332121915
Yeah, Jolly Roger is a pretty good skill for grinding. If everyone's a pirate you get 10% chance to ignore all damage. But if you aren't going to get it then you won't have to worry about that.
They were really strong in the closed beta, since having an off-hand weapon with +magic damage was a hundred times stronger than using a 2h sword or shield, but I heard swordsman balance has been all over the place since then so I don't know how good it is these days.
>>332122636
What about wizards?.
Are necromancers as shit as I hear?
so p2w or not finally ?
>>332122894
When I played they didn't have any kind of organized PvP. But while dueling I had a character that kicked all kinds of ass.
Cryo-kino-thaum with almost full CON because players don't have nearly as much HP as monsters. Ice wall and psychic pressure does a stupid amount of damage, with so much CON you can block most attacks because players don't really invst in SPR and because of that they can't interrupt psychic pressure. All ice spells have a really high chance of freezing people and telekinesis is a full screen range grab that stuns people and puts them anywhere you want for your other spells to hit. I bet if you were playing with a team your teleport also swaps position so you could drag people out of safety zone into spells your team is charging up.
Probably not as effective as the game goes on and more people can buy auto-cure scrolls but I thought it was pretty fun. Also my genious plan to use transpose and swap CON/INT didn't work at all, you don't get %HP back when your get 200 con and it takes forever to regen HP without a cleric.
>>332105583
>He honestly thinks that the same groups being hunted won't get together and massacre other players
Your naiveness is so cute.
It started like this in Tibia as well, a bunch of people hammering down BRs and Mexicans, just to give birth to the worst PKers in the game, with Mexican players naming themselves with the same surnames (like Del Toro) just to show everybody that they belong to the gang and even taxing players to use places to level up.
In the end, mass bans occurred and this gave time to people to get strong enough to stand up to that kind of shit. But I've heard stories of the same shit happening in other servers but with BRs banding together and murdering the living daylights of non-BR players.
>>332100038
I have no idea what the classes are or what I'm going to roll but it's going to happen.
>>332122894
Wizards are great because quite a few of their spells don't use AoE Ratio (one of the three things that makes grinding unbearable in this game, the others being leash range and aggro limit).
>>332108773
All generals end up turning into mass circlejerks over time, ToSg is no different, the thing is that this problem is worse with MMO generals as there's always the namedropping cancer happening.
>>332123167
Necromancer kind of sucks because their spells take an additional resource to use (corpses) and at the time only the corpses of certain monsters worked. If you were grinding in an area with demon monsters you couldn't recharge your spells without buying expensive consumable items. Also their summons cost tons of SP to use and don't really do that much damage. I heard they got better with summon skeleton and stuff but they're still not super great at actually leveling.
I don't know if either of the summoning classes are really that great. Summoner's cat easily maxes out your buff list so you can't have priests/linkers in your party and only some monsters like Temple Shooter deal enough damage to justify using.
When building a plague doctor, why is recommended to spend 3 classes on bokor, is corpse explosion THAT good?
>>332124420
Well shit. I pretty much wanted to play a summoner that goes around with a huge entourage of monsters. I guess I just have to go with something else. No Ainz Ooal Gown for me.
>>332100038
It's a garbage game. It's not even worth even trying out, it's that bad.
Is this game as badly designed as random comments make it out to be? Someone described the latest dungeon on a previous thread (ET it was I think) and it sounded like a clustefuck of bad design, also mentioned that some skills don't work well such as Chronomancer depending on target ping or something like that, other skills just not working at all, some classes being useless, etc. Was hype for the game but now I'm cautious.
>>332124782
Yup. It's going to be f2p in a month anyway, so you'll get to see this for yourself first hand. They were supposed to save MMOs and make a great spiritual ragnarok successor, instead they made a turd and are trying to sprinkle it as hard as they can.
>>332124550
You shouldn't give up on Necromancer. The vast majority of classes aren't that good but you've got to take them for the flavor. Plus the balance adjustments are super crazy, we live in an age where Quarrel Shooter is super strong instead of the most garbage class in the whole game, so anything could happen. And also the necro trainer is super cute.
If you want to summon things nothing can touch necro, they've got turrets and units and mashing bosses into the shoggoth.
>>332124420
They moved the summoner's cat thing to the second line of buffs now, which I'm not sure exactly what that means but I think it doesn't use up your normal buff slots kind of like Dievderbys statues.
>>332120587
I´m a student that have to eat fast ramen, and 10 bucks is nothing.
>>332125383
I dont really want to give up on necromancer, but I dont want to handicap myself willingly. I already accepted that they would suck either at PvP or PvE, but from the sounds of it, they suck at everything because of the resource system. But honestly, I dont know, I'm just making guesses. If I had the knowhow I would want to find the secret way to break the class.
>>332105752
>no key, will sing
he actually delivered
>>332101835
Ragnarok-tier, inching close to MS-tier
>>332125725
Then you're nothing but a poser.
>>332104690
Got some kind of weird soft-yet-hard boner.
>>332125725
Fuck off deutsch cuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daWRU--1m5k
Literally best track
>>332126275
You can literally borrow 10 dollars from anyone, Or ask if you can do a hours work. Stop being poor. If you was that poor you wouldent have a pc or internet. fucken 10 bucks is a combo meal now days. its nothing.
>>332126493
Go back to cuckany, germ.
>>332109979
Reskill?
Is full dex/2 handed sword still OP?
>>332126787
That´s not me poorjew.
>>332125489
That's really good. Even though its buffs weren't super strong it was awful that a sorceress couldn't have a cat familiar running around with her.
>>332125807
Looking at the skill calculator it seems like the type limitations have been removed from everything but the shoggoth. And that's really just 'cause he benefits from beast/mutant/plant bosses while summoner gets to use all the devil boss cards.
I haven't gotten that far but none of the classes around that level look super enticing anyway. Chronomancer is good if you're doing a support thing but otherwise Necro doesn't seem like a waste unless T2 featherfoot or warlock are like obscenely strong. I'm holding out for Taoist so I wouldn't be able to get either of those anyway.
>>332127330
Aren't videogames degenerate? What are you doing outside of /pol/?
>>332128019
Not browsing /pol/, got called German, figured you were a Jew, complaining about 10 bucks, figured you were poor. 1+1 champ.
>>332100038
Don´t bs me. Honest answers please, is this more fun than when you played Maplestory and Ragnarok in your teens, kid age?
>>332128892
It's not even 1% as fun. It's shit through and through, really.
>>332128892
no
its repetitive grindy shit but its not like ro or ms where you could choose where to grind
also the balance is fucked
>>332128892
It's a pretty linear game without too many spots to just level up because monster density is really low on most maps. Even though they added a second path through the game it doesn't really change that you're moving from quest hub to quest hub like WoW. Plus free players can only play 1 dungeon a day and you're encouraged not to play with people on your server because cross server matchmaking gives 600% more experience.
I'm going to play it to collect cute outfits and kiss boys, but I'm not going to lie and say it's a good game.
>>332129235
Your credentials? Played the game or just from your YT viewing?
>>332129374
God, is this WoW themepark ride?
Elaborate the balance thing.
fuck this game is pretty. i've ignored it until now.
is the combat free target and a bit action-y animation based or is it like, select target, rotations, hitting every global etc? i see some pretty full hotbars.
i only played RO a tiny bit and it was fucking years ago, if its anything like that.
>>332129567
Well fuck. I wanted to relive my happy youth with playing a game with qt sprites and charming music while grinding for that super rare pan lid or ninja star icicles with a droprate of 0.04% that I could sell for millions or use myself.
>>332100325
Will F2P players be able to play on the founder server in April?
>>332129743
That sounds exactly like ToS, though.
>>332129771
Think everyone play on the same server, is just the server is open for those that pay first for a month.
>>332129576
i dunno if they fixed it since beta but some classes are just straight up worthless weak or bugged
others are outright broken overpowered
>>332129743
You can still do that. The Vubbe Fighter gloves from the first dungeon were worth hundreds of thousands because you'd use them up to level 200 something. You just have to deal with being unable to directly trade with other people and the auction house taking a 30% cut unless you pay $18 a month for membership.
>>332129852
I´m getting mixed messages.
Is there a similar experience to:
Finding a hidden grinding spot. That spot inside a huge tree. The tree is filled with green slimes. You can be there forever if you want, there´s no exp penalty. You whack away a whole day and find fun thing like a pole with a dead fish on top. Chill music is playing.
>>332128892
>he thinks he can relive his childhood or teenage years
Nah buddy, it doesn't work that way.
>>332130125
Pretty much, but I wasn't able to find too many really "hidden" spots. Also, I'm not sure if you can keep getting the same amount of experience points from the same mob every single level of the game, and even if you could, it would be a lot faster just to pick up the quests to kill the very same mobs and fight bosses every now and then. One of the most fun parts about the game is hunting down hats that drop from mobs, though.
>>332118681
Hex and Effigy got fixed and in PvP deal a truckload of damage.
Aukuras -delay to regen is freaking amazing despite what memers say, the only weak point is that it's static.
>>332130326
I´m sold. I´m getting the 10 dollaros pack.
>>332130132
Hey bud, let me dream alright?
>>332130407
That's good to know. Effigy type skills have always been my favorite in any game that has them. Like Kali in dragon nest was the coolest because you could effigy a boss and damage it safely out of range of its attacks.
Aukuras -delay always seemed like it had the potential to be good (if you could spare the points), but I did hear that regeneration is much stronger in the live version of the game too so I'm sure that really helps it out.
So someone got any insight on if you´re getting a good value on the different tier? Would it straight up be better to wait and buy cash points instead of getting a package that gives cash points? Are you buying cash items and cash points for $50 or are you actually just paying for access and getting $5 worth of items?
>>332129576
Played icbt1 and 2.
>>332130890
I'm pretty sure you're actually buying their cash shop currency and it's just a side-effect that you get early access to the game.
>>332100038
is it release or another closed beta?
how is the game compared to latest iCBT?
>>332129728
Wizard Gameplay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZwA0Zul-eA
Cleric Gameplay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NrbferfwMI
Archer Gameplay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mfsaJgYYzM
Swordie Gameplay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__tnN8qgP5Q
PVP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aFowIPpHMo
>>all other replies of the thread
Good build
Keep in mind Swordie video is exploiting a bug.
>>332130881
It does, someone posted a video that without using any +regen thing a dude was regening 7~% on extremely fast ticks, considering someone could go Paladin as well would make everyone regen a fuckload of health every tick.
>Actually paying to play a game earlier than everyone else
I know $10 isn't a lot but why pay regardless? Why even have "founder servers" do the developers need money that badly? Or are the people who are playing a month early acting as beta testers for when it official goes into live open beta? Either way it's not the fact that they are charging $10, it's the fact that they are charging at all just to play a month early.
I would rather them just let everyone start at the exact same time, there must be a reason for why they are doing "founder servers" I figured it was because they need the money so they are providing incentive for you to sign up. I actually would go ahead and pay the $10 but I'd rather not blow $10 on something I really don't even know if I'll enjoy, a lot of people have said "Oh well if you liked RO then you'll probably like this." but I don't know that for a fact.
I'm not saying $10 is a lot of money, my point is $10 is $10 and I'd rather not invest $10 into something I have no idea I'll even like. It's like people who spend $100 dollars on founder packs for Blade & Soul and then decided the game was shit but they couldn't get a refund so you essentially just wasted money on shit.
Fuuuuuck. Dipped into the $29 one and ready to go. What classes is a must avoid to not struggle like a dummy later on?
>>332131589
If you pay for $10 package, I think you get $16 worth of premium cash? Someone know if the ration is 1:1 for each cent?
Is it true that TOS is extremely expensive in terms of the cash shop? I read where a fucking HAIRSTYLE is like $15, also a bunch of aesthetic shit is super expensive like if you wanted to give your character new hairstyles, cool clothes and what not then you'd have to spend over $100 in the cash shop.
If that's true then this game can go fuck itself, I know it's not a true P2W since it's pure aesthetic items but they should be ashamed of themselves for charging such outrageous prices, $15 for a hairstyle? Ha, fuck that.
>>332131589
You get items + TP.
It's still stupid to pay for early access though.
Most people who follow the game realize this is a quick cash in by the developers and that the game is probably getting discontinued by this time next year, there is no delusion of this being good unlike B&S. Developers already blew every chance possible, they backstabbed the fans they were originally aiming for and now are trying their hardest to break even so they can move to WolfKnight and an upcoming Mobile game.
>>332132031
Some guy said is cheaper than Black Desert Online, in that game one costume is 30$. No idea about the ToS prices.
>>332104914
literally everything you said is wrong
>Pay2win is something that gives you an advantage that another player CANNOT obtain in-game through any other means.
no. this has never been the definition of P2W. this is a definition neogaf and neo-/v/ made up to convince themselves it's ok to spend money on P2W games.
>Leveling up faster isn't fucking P2W retard
yes, it absolutely is. "pay-to-not-grind" is still P2W. this has always been true.
if you can exchange real world currency for anything in-game that gives you any advantage over a free player, it is P2W. you can argue that there are degrees of P2W, and some P2W is less harmful and more acceptable than others (such as XP boosts), but saying these things aren't P2W is a complete and utter lie.
>>332131589
They need cash, the game is struggling in Korea because it's not really the kind of thing Koreans like, and Koreans having them by the balls while they try to get the international servers pushed out has lead them down a lot of the bad design paths they ended up going down like daily dungeon runs.
The packages are thus designed as incentives to support the game by buying the cash shop currency at a significant discount.
>>332132031
It's true, cash shoppy as fuck, also statless hats with the only way to give them stats is by getting an enchant item that very rarely drops from boss; or simply buy them from the cash shop in a gachapon style scroll.
If you just want to have dumb fun on a free game, ToS next month will probably be the game for you. If you want competitive or anything not pay to win, avoid like the plague,
>>332131369
the thing is, i can't really tell the gameplay. the way things are bound suggests its mouse movement and free-firing skills, maybe even base attacks on mouse buttons - so somewhat diablo-esque?
cheers anon.
>>332132260
Archers are mostly move and use targeted skills, swordsmen are diablo esque, Wizards and Clerics have a mix of ground targeted AoE and targeted spells. You can play with a keyboard+mouse, just a keyboard, or a controller.
>>332132260
Yeah, it would be accurate to call it Diablo-esque. I don't remember being able to use a mouse for combat since jump and basic attack are bound to buttons. Also, you can use a controller.
>>332132260
You can use Mouse + Keyboard (preferred for classes like Archer) or simply a gamepad, it's not like RO where you point and the char moves (unless of course you set your control to that) you set base attack in some key and subweapon (block, dagger) in other.
I'm not sure what you mean really, it's really free, at least more than RO.
>>332132213
your post is the opposite of the truth though, people rolling "pay to not grind" into the definition of "p2w" is absolutely a new trend, and a minority voice. i'm not saying its right or wrong but thats how it is.
Wiz > Pyro > Link > Ele3 > Pyro
>>332132223
I thought Koreans liked grinding game? Is the game too easy?
>pay to win
Give up, unless it's a "YOU WIN BUTTON" it won't be pay to win. If people who played those third world official RO servers where you could rental Megingjard and even fucking MVP Cards saw these they'd be seriously laughing their asses off on how rabid people are to defend pay to win. Oh well, by the time GvG gets big the game will already be on it's life support, anyways.
>>332132585
Good build
>>332132510
no, that is not true
pay-to-not-grind has always been part of P2W. people trying to separate it out is relatively new (mostly with LoL - LoL players changed the definition of P2W so buying RP, IP boosts, and XP boosts did not make LoL P2W).
exchanging advantages for real world money is P2W - regardless of the effect or degree of that advantage. this has always been the case. neo-/v/ trying to change the definition of P2W does not actually change it.
>>332132510
Thats horseshit.
If you can pay money for advantages its P2W. End of discussion.
>>332132973
Agreeing with this, I never saw all these weird distinctions on what p2w means until LoL came out, before LoL people pretty much unanimously agreed that buying characters and xp boosts was p2w but nobody really cared about the xp boost thing. Then people got super defensive about LoL because it started aggressively marketing itself as an Esport in spite of the p2w aspects.
Will there be a /v/ guild ?
Shield fencer. Aaaaand I have no idea how it works so I'll probably fuck it but whatever.
Can I build best girl and follow the path of explosions?
>>332133234
Not sure about a /v/ one, but /vg/ already has someone planning on going Templar and if required Templar C3.
>>332133392
Yes, but is the cookiest-cutter build there is in the game. Wizard3->Elementalist3
>>332133392
actually yes.
>>332133851
>Yes but it's the cookiest cutter build in the game
If you want to have even more explosions and be less cookie cutter you can go Pyro 2 Elementalist, it has an attribute that makes enemies explode for splash damage when killed with fire attacks.
Downside is no quick cast +50% magic damage so it's pretty much strictly inferior to the Wiz 3 version but it's a thing if you want to be a snowflake.
>>332132510
He is right
ANY sort of advantage is pay2win
no matter how small it is
saying otherwise won't change that absolute fact that someone paid real money for something of an advantage in-game wether its an exp boost or inventory expansion
you can argue how insignificant these attribute to the "win" aspect but at the end of the day its stil pay2win
multihit skills are still the kings of the game?
The real fucking question is the coin in the cash shop gonna be fucking 20 dollars like it is in Korea.
The vip coin shit is cool but fucking 20 dollars. Nah man.
what's the best attack skill in the game?
>>332134626
Hardest hitting one is meteor. But because of its cast time its not the best
>>332132629
Yes, grinding is alright, the problem is that the game itself isn't amazing. It's not a matter of it being bad, it's just average and on a market that pumps MMORPG every fucking day, it is really underwhelming. Even older MMORPG like RO and Lineage are doing better than in on Korea. It may be something local only and on the rest of the world ToS will do amazingly, but right now, and with IMC, you better expect the worst.
>>332134626
Snipe, high damage, comparatively low cooldown. Only problem is that it's still block-able and dodgeable. Even if you miss though you still have Headshot.
>>332134394
Somewhat, but they've been giving other spells multipliers or making multihit as well.
>>332134317
Is WoW p2w with the lv 80 cash shop thing?
Is the cash shop still fucked?
I just want to know. Is this the most fun new mmo in the market? If so, I will dive in. I got bored with Blade n Soul and Black Desert (Because of the costumes variety is locked behind 30 bill wall).
>>332135391
between RaF and server transfers (ie pay-for-raid-lockouts), WoW has had P2W stuff for a while
and doesn't WoW now have something you can buy with real money and sell in the AH? exchanging real money for in-game currency is definitely P2W
those that played and plan to play this game, rate it.
>>332136034
You spend $20 (I believe) on a WoW Game Time token, which you then sell on the Token AH for Gold. On the flip side, you can VERY EASILY farm Gold and buy one of these Game Time Tokens, which is 30 days of game time.
So basically, jack asses pay 20 bucks for gold, and other people get to take advantage of them. It's honestly not that bad if you aren't stupid and actually know how to make money.
/v/ usual hate mentality going strong even for a niche mmorpg I see. Game is fun as fuck. Maybe you all would be less salty if you didn´t hurdled to reach max lv during CB and just relaxed by taking it easy and have fun?
>>332137126
I kept that in mind when I played the international beta. Although I only got to like level 50 something, I stopped playing because I had already leveled a few characters to see what each class felt like in general to prepare for when the game actually came out. Seems like a fun game, and I'm tempted to pay for the early release and bonus goods that come with it.
>>332136691
Played it in ICBT1 and 2, best I can give it honestly is probably like 7/10 at a stretch. Opinions are gonna be largely based around how much you like the class system+artstyle, in all other ways it's a slightly above average MMO but since I love FFT's artstyle and class system I like the game a lot.
This game's number 1 enemy is the community, it has a very defeatist attitude that the game's just a cash-in and a large, vocal minority of players that hate everything that's different from RO.
>>332137481
>it has a very defeatist attitude that the game's just a cash-in
So like every MMO after 2011, then.
>>332137481
people thought dfo would die last year, still going yeah?
>>332135391
ofcourse its pay2win
its just that WoW is so old and everyone is already max lvl to care about people getting int 80
>>332137481
You spend too much time on 4chan mate. Steam reviews seems glowing.
>>332138032
>is not fun to shitpost about it
gotcha
>>332138063
its Just Brazilians and RO nostalgia fags
creaming themselves in anticipation
I mean how the fuck do you review a game that isn't even out yet?
>>332100038
I'll see you next month.
I'm looking at a shield-basher, probably more towards a provoke tank with Squire levels over the actual shield-basher class. (Palderon and Roldento, or something like that.) I hear there are tons of healers in the game so no sense going that route.
>>332138324
I don't understand what you mean?
>>332138063
You really shouldn't cite Steam reviews for whether a game is good or not, but I do agree this game is worth a try at least. I enjoyed playing it during the iCBT.
>few cookie cutter builds for each class
>most of the unique classes are shit
For a game that looked like it would have amazing classes and skill variety, it dropped the ball hard.
All the crafting classes got nerfed to being nearly useless but still require you to go fight shit to earn exp.
I don't even want to touch it when it's f2p.
>>332138063
>A human being actually posted this
>>332136896
Still considered pay2win
you could say it helps the poorfag community because it lets them play without actually paying real money
but then again a company only wants money and the only reason they let these "tokens" go is because no one is flipping their shit over it
Blizzard knows this is bad and takes advantage of players exchanging money for tokens
they do this by basically putting the gun in the players hand and letting them shoot themselves in the head
Blizzard then can claim they didnt do it since its the player who pulled the trigger
I have no idea how the classes work but I like the aesthetic of fencer and musketeer, might just go healslut though
>>332100038
This game is pay2win as fuck, avoid it before you grow attached and get hurt anon
For the people who played in the beta, is the game any fun?
I have really been craving an mmo and I have almost pulled the founders pack trigger a bunch of times, but I never played RO or anything so I don't have any nostalgia.
Worth buying?
>>332137457
>Although I only got to like level 50 something
Then you didn't get fucking ANYWHERE. The game hasn't even started until you get to the Royal Mausoleum, and that dungeon was in the 80s.
>>332139156
Extremely pay2win (ridiculously pay2win and cash shop)
A lot of grinding
Dumb balance and pve
>>332139334
Well I guess I'm trying black desert
>>332139284
>you didn't get fucking ANYWHERE
That's really great to hear. Looking forward to playing the full game this time along with all the new stuff they added.
>>332139156
Buggy as fuck and the staff shows little motivation on actually fixing shit.
Last I checked, the list of problems caused by bugs/oversights/a that the bokor class faces was in the 50s.
http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=4621&l=1164
You pretty much have to pray that they don't do something that fucks up your choice of build.
>>332139156
It's everything you should hate about MMOs: super pay2win( not to be confused with pay2grind less), ridiculous amounts of numbing grind, no substance, no real goal outside of grinding. Its basically cashing on in Ragnarok nostalgia and has nothing worth offering otherwise.
>>332139156
Very fun. I just feel good being in the game. Loot is fun, hat collecting is fun. Is adorable to look at.
>>332139334
Curious, what's pay 2 win in the cash shop? All I'm aware of is movement and exp boosts
>>332139631
Can you still summon unlimited zombies?
>>332139518
>That's really great to hear
It's great to hear that you have no clue what you're talking about?
>>332139491
BDO is just as bad, the only redeeming quality it has is its pretty.
>>332138848
>Most of the unique classes are shit
This is literally just solo players meming because damage oriented classes level the fastest. Rodelero is legitimately awful but that's about it.
>>332100379
Wait $10? I thought it was like $40 but I guess I didn't read the perks for them all
>>332139742
WoW it is I guess
>>332139491
AVOID BDO. After fucking 20 hours, my character have the same look as everyone else in my class that didn´t pay 30 shikels. No end game, no purpose to party, Warrior is fucking over all the other classes and is p2notbeannoyed.
>>332139741
No, it's great to hear that there's still a lot more game left after what I played. Why are you so upset at someone enjoying the game and not burning himself out before the official release?
>>332139806
Wait til Legion unless you plan on leveling multiple classes.
>>332139806
WoW is fucking dead, people log in for the daily run ,which can be done in 2 hours and log out. Nobody levels anymore, zones are deader than dead. Play This game or FFXIV.
What specifically is p2w about it? Yeah everyone keeps shouting P2W GARBAGE P2W GARBAGE but no one ever says specifically what they sell in the shop that's pay to win
>>332139773
The internet fucking exploded on IMC when they released their first proposed "founders" access.
Rather than own up to the fact that they lied about a whole lot of stuff, they merely dialed some of their bullshit back.
Well at least hyper light drifter and enter the gungeon are coming out, might try it when f2p unlocks
>>332140165
The major thing is the "subscription" token for VIP status. They lock a lot of stuff behind it, such as trading between players, and it gives an EXP boost as well. It's more annoying than being really P2W. The terms is just kind of a catchall nowadays for cash shop items being in a game.
>>332140165
The token is essentially a sub fee that adds a shitload of benefits and on top of that you can buy hat enchantment scrolls that only drop from dungeons that you can do twice a day at like a .25% drop rate that let you enchant your normally statless headgear with randomized bonuses ranging from minor to moderate. You can also buy on-the-spot resurrection items and some other stuff, but you get 5 TP for free every day so you can get that stuff for free so that stuff's not that big a deal.
