So can we all agree this was the only "good" part of the game?
>>332055480
eww there is a WHITE man in the background
No, we can't. I played 200 hours and I enjoyed every minute of it. Bought the season pass as well. I fucking shove my money up Bethesdas' arse.
>>332055563
A FUCKING A WHITE MALE
"Hello, I'm Morgan Freeman."
>>332055480
shooting was good, had a lot of fun with it for 30 hours then just kinda forgot I had it installed
better than fo3 and skyrim imho
>>332055594
Why must you deepthroat the Bethesda shaft that hard? There are far better games out there.
i got up to the part where you are supposed to build the teleporter thing and got bored
then i got a new monitor (1440p) and the framerate has been dogshit since (30-40fps) and i cant get it to 60 so i stopped playing
>>332055594
Consider suicide.
>>332055480
No, the only good part of the game is that the space occupied by the box in the shop could be used by something better, like Destiny.
My favourite 3D Fallout by miles, got 100+ hours on it. Shame the story and characters were nowhere close to NV standard but everything else eclipsed it. One of the funnest game worlds ever for exploring imo
>>332055702
Yeah he could have spent that time having fun posting about how much he hates games on /v/
>>332055480
No.
Have there been any character creation mods put out yet?
>>332055480
What happened to Seal's face?
Why don't Bethesda and Obsidian make a Fallout game together? Obsidian's writing and Bethesda's world-building in one game would be GOAT.
>>332055594
Todd put the keyboard down
>>332055480
shooting was good
open world itself and exploration were simply god tier
Piper was 10/10
Everything else was mediocre
Writing/dialogues/RP elements were cancer tier
Pirated it, played for something like 150 hours, no regrets. Still better than most games released in the last few years. Will pirate again in a year after a few DLC and the modtool get released.
>>332055856
A few years ago I would have laughed at you but the world in fallout 4 was actually fucking good
Obsidian should handle all RPG elements and loot though lol
>>332055480
I don't know, man. I've put about 150 hours into it so far and besides for some really shitty quests (kid in a fridge fuck I am so mad) and the same story and environment problems that are inherit in bethsoft games, it's not bad.
I enjoy the robot dlc too, even though it feels like a mediocre quest mod. The new building space is excellent and I really like turning codsworth into a sentry bot
>>332055632
Dont bully mai waifu. It's not her fault she's horribly scarred and has a nose thags grown backwards into her face.
>>332055594
Id drag my balls thru broken glass just to hear Bethesda fart in a walkie-talkie
>>332055480
>tfw no AAA "create-a-character and dress him up" game
>all there is are anime Flash games
It's 2016 gosh
>>332055725
This. I also like many many the timesink elements
>>332055725
>>332055914
The exploration was something that I hated the most though. In the other games it felt so organic, you'd be on your way to do something quest related and run into some bullshit and get distracted doing something fun and it'd be great.
In Fallout 4 unless you expressly go "NOW IS THE TIME I AM GOING TO EXPLORE THIS SPECIFIC QUADRANT OF THE MAP" you never ever touch 99% of the locations in the world. And the ones that you do find are most often either shitty farms where you cant interact with anybody or just dungeons with no significance or depth.
>>332056150
That's not true at all though, I remember many times my next quest marker was over the other side of the map. I got sidelined constantly, more than FO3 and way more than New Vegas, which is very linear by comparison
>>332056012
bannerlord soon
>>332056235
I dont know if its just an anomaly or what but for me in 3 and NV I found interesting shit way more easily and frequently.
>>332056150
meh, I understand perfectly what you mean but it wasn't like that for me. I've been a fanboy of TES and Todd since Daggerfall, and I think that no other company and game can come close to the worlds he creates. I always loved just walkign around, exploring, finding hidden shit.
And in Fallout 4, when I noticed I won't have a proper Fallout RP experience, that 99% of the quests are shit, that dialogues are cancer, I said fuck it, took Piper, and just went exploring.
Literally 100h just exploring, reading terminals, discovering secret locations. The world is packed with shit to see, verticality is amazing too. It was just fun to walk into a bar and see that the people there commited collective suicide. Or the cursed quarry, or the little things like that, the vaults and shit. Then i spent a few hours building shit in my settlements and deleted it.
Call me a troll, I don't care, but I honestly believe that F4 has the best world ever made. But again, I always loved Beth and the worlds they create.
>>332056235
>NV is linear meme
>>332056339
Maybe you just dont enjoy exploring as much anymore, 4 was defo easier to find stuff in and much better in that regard
And boston >>>>>>>>>>>> D.C, no contest
>>332056558
>NV isn't linear meme
>>332055667
>shooting was good, had a lot of fun with it for 30 hours then just kinda forgot I had it installed
Pretty much exactly what happened with me
I played it religiously for the first week, racked up 46 hours doing everything I could think of.
Then one morning I didn't get on to play it and watched a movie instead. I haven't touched it since that day.
>>332056526
>mfw Fens street sewer
>MUH DESTINY
I quit once I heard the old hag try to pull that shit on me again.
FO3's ending was one of the stupidest fucking things I've ever seen, and it was one of the worst AAA games I've ever played.
>>332056618
it isn't, fo3 is a pos with no world building whatsoever, just because in nv it tells you some place is dangerous, and it is, doesn't mean you cant go there, its just, risky, but also fun, unlike fo3
nv > fo4 > dog shit > fo3
>>332055563
YOU'RE
>>332056730
Who mentioned Fallout 3? I can see your opinion is untainted by outside factors
>there's a dangerous way and a normal way
2 paths, one of which is heavily hinted as being too dangerous to go travel, is where the linear complaint comes from
>>332056708
my favorite remains the quarry with the hallucinations, the people going crazy, the amazingly written terminals and the dagger.
Jumped in the water with a power armor, lost the power armor.
>>332056861
>if there's worldbuilding, in an rpg, with areas more dangerous than others, IN A FUCKING RPG, its linear
let me guess, level scaling is the way to go eh?
and my opinion is untainted, I just felt the need to make it clear, that FO3 is a fractured POS
>>332056943
It's linear if EVERYWHERE else but the areas the main story guides you through are too dangerous to traverse until you have a considerable amount of levels under your belt. The game expects the player to be content with getting levels from the main quest before they get to explore.
>>332056943
You seem to have ignored the '2 paths, one of which is hinted at as being too dangerous' part. That's not the only thing though: the vast swaths of barren desert with nothing to see, the 'mountains' or slopes you cant walk up, there's lots that keeps you in place. It's not entirely linear, just noticeably so for what is ostensibly an open world RPG.
Aside from being linear, it's also one of the ugliest and most poorly laid-out maps I've played, but I understand it was forcibly rushed out in that state or something
>>332057104
>too dangerous
and even with the areas the player is ''supposed'' to traverse there's variation and choice, strolling through or exploration
tl;dr git good and for once play an rpg that isn't bethesda pos, just because they were too lazy to build a world in fo3 doesn't mean its supposed to be a gaming standard
>>332057174
fo3 was worse, just throw shit in a map with no sense or purpose, then make d.c and ruin it with invisible walls
>>332057189
Yeah, I like how you get to see all of Nipton, the Ranger outpost and Novac! And can't forget about the Repconn test site!
And I like how you are implying that the areas are not too dangerous. Fresh out of Goodsprings, the Courier is simply unable to kill deathclaws or cazadors, which are everywhere where Obsidian didn't want you to go "too early"
>>332057104
Dude you're just talking out of your ass now. plenty of places to explore that the main quest doesn't take you anywhere near. When some areas are more dangerous than others it adds a feeling of progression to the game (contrast with level scaling, which does the opposite) and it's one of the few things they got right in FO4
>>332057415
you can just pop a stealth boy and sneak past em asshole
again, bethesda too lazy to build a world, throws shit in it, every fanboy ever thinks its a gaming standard because ''muh exploration go anywhere'' despite it being a bleak piece of shit with nothing to find
>>332057189
In a well designed RPG, high level enemies appear in high level areas, not right outside the starting location.
>>332057487
>you can just pop a stealth boy and sneak past em asshole
And what if I want to explore the quarry?
>>332057487
Not them but you're not even making sense now, what is the post im responding to supposed to mean?
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>>332057490
>right outside
in gothic 1 it takes 10 minutes from starting zone to orc territory and that accounts for enemies you meet, and yet its regarded as one o the best designed action rpgs of all time and not mediocre kiddy shit ;)
>>332057550
firstly it explains how to get past them at low level
then it explains how bethesda made a game so shit every casual thought it was an industry standard
kinda like those cheesy 80s movies that are so shit they're good
>>332057490
>game uses natural barriers i.e. strong enemies to encourage players to follow the intended path, but there's always the option to go through them If the player is experienced enough
>HURRR THIS IS A BAD THING
Why?
Would you really fucking prefer invisible walls?
>>332057669
he'd prefer go anywhere ala fo3 with no risk or reward because he never played an rpg before
>>332057620
And in NV, it takes just a couple of minutes to get near the quarry, where an NPC explicitly approaches you to tell you to turn back.
You CAN sneak past the deathclaws, but it is painfully obvious that Obsidian tried their hardest to make the player follow the main quest for a good while before exploring the world.
>>332057756
>CAN
ok thread over, we agree then
>>332057756
And that's a bad thing because?
>>332057620
It doesn't explain anything, but I can tell this is an argument you've had many times before. As a reminder, I haven't mentioned Fallout 3 once, let alone as a 'gaming standard'. I'll leave you to whatever issues plague you
>>332057807
because he never played an rpg before fo3
>>332057827
have fun
>>332057789
You're that guy that people actively avoid conversation with.
>>332057938
except you it seems (^:
>open a safe that was supposedly locked for 200 years
>find a pipe gun inside
Exploration is all fun and games until you realize 90% of the shit you find is completely useless and doesn't even fit the scenario
>>332057976
>>332055480
Silver Shroud was bareable
>>332057104
>sneak into NV
>clean out the casinos
>buy an AMR
>clear out quarry junction and most of black mountain at a low level
Meanwhile in Fallout 4 everything is levep scaled and randomized so the only thing you can do is explore its 30000 locations of which a dozen or so are actually worth the slog to clear out.
>>332057669
No, I am saying that areas that are too dangerous for low-level characters should not exist so close to low-level areas.
Here, I made a mock-up map to illustrate the point. There's a natural progression, but each area is big enough to allow for exploration on its own.
>>332058141
better than making everything level scaled and allowed to go anywhere with no risk or reward
lets say we agree NV is poorly designed, that makes fo3 the absolute worst game of all time, and you know the funny part?
IT IS, at least as far AAA games are concerned
>>332058141
Rotate that 90 degrees and mirror it and it's basically NV
>>332058208
Why are you so insistent on bringing up Fallout 3 when no one else has mentioned it?
>>332058045
Everything can be scrapped and used to fortify your settlements oh and pipe guns were popular just before the war started, http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/File:Guns_and_bullets_-_Street_Guns_of_Detroit.jpg
>explore a location in F4
>ghouls/gunners/muties/whatever
>legendary enemy appears
>always mutates
>drops some useless weapon/armour piece you'll never use
>chest contains a bit of caps and a pipe gun
>Sarcastic
What did he mean by this?
>>332056526
>. I've been a fanboy of TES and Todd since Daggerfall, and I think that no other company and game can come close to the worlds he creates
Except Todd Howard and Bethesda didn't create Daggerfall. He'll, Daggerfall's map was procedurally generated, barely "created" at all.
>>332058324
>Everything can be scrapped and used to fortify your settlements
And that matters little since creating a settlement gives you basically nothing, unless you're autistic about building it.
>>332058324
>used to fortify your settlements
Wow amazing I love getting rewards that are literally useless unless I want to waste my time playing a somehow buggier barebones minecraft with guns
>>332056729
You know you can completely ignore that bitch, right?
>>332058349
>drops some useless weapon/armour piece you'll never use
Most of the time, yeah. But if you have the RNG gods on your side, you can get something potentially gamebreaking, like an explosive minigun or a doubleshot fat-man.
>>332058304
because the mindset of ''hur its linear cuz i cant go anywhere in a no design level scaled world'' is generally from fo3 babies
plus I like insulting that pos whenever I can, and this is coming from someone that still plays oblivion, skyrim, and loved fo4
>>332055480
>start a game
>waste a fucking hour making a character instead of fucking playing
FUCK character creations. What's wrong with having fucking regular premade characters? You don't even see their fucking faces most of the time, it's fucking pointless.
>>332058402
Settlement shops sell weapons and gear that cannot be acquired in any other way.
>>332058443
You can go even beyond that and never enter the Museum of Freedom at all, leaving the minutemen completely out of the equation.
>>332058487
there's a premade
>>332058349
protip: if you save before you enter an interior you can get a different seed for the drops when you reload/re-enter and if an enemy dropped something you did like but with a bad stat just reload the autosave that happened upon entering the area to reroll the stat but not the item
>>332058549
There's a default one, not an actual character designed to be the main character.
>>332058536
>Settlement shops sell weapons and gear that cannot be acquired in any other way.
Which basically doesn't really matter since the game is already easy as it is.
I finished the game almost fully in about 70 hours, never done anything for settlement building other than attaching 5+ turrets in every place I could.
>>332058620
yeah so just play the default
I just changed their skin tone to check out if the baby would get lighter and played the game (it didn't lol)
>>332058487
HATE ROLEPLAYING
>inb4 Fallout 4 doesn't have roleplaying anyway
You'd be right, but your genocide of character customization would not be a step in the right direction.
>>332058671
what difficulty are you playing on?
>>332058487
I think Dragon's Dogma did it right by giving you pre-made options rather than sliders and by stint of it being a 3rd-person action game you get to see your character's face all the time.
>>332058705
Hard. Anything higher is basically shooting at bullet sponges all day all night long, which is absolutely shit.
>>332056618
>NV is linear meme
>>332058695
The look of your character has nothing to do with actual roleplaying, you fool.
>>332058751
check your build, I've been running a junkie build because it adds some penalties to your character to prevent total OPness while upping the damage of junkie weapons by a huge margin so it basically turns survival mode fo4 into a whole new game where you can die just as easily as you can kill and with the upcoming survival mode changes its going to be even better
Why is every faction full retard?
It's like they tried to make it morally grey but turned everyone into morons instead.
>>332059034
I hate how the BoS are full nazi this time
>>332059034
because bethesda's writing team collectively became retarded after Morrowind released
>>332059023
I uninstalled the game a while ago. Will download it once more when all the DLCs are out and some good mods are released, otherwise not worth my time at this point.
>>332057104
If you actually explored more instead of being a pussy you can find some good equipment and level faster doing miscellaneous things.
>>332059034
Remove machine.
>>332059034
Turns out the least retarded faction is also the most bland one - Minutemen.
>>332059034
Instead of people discussing which faction would be best like NV it's just which of the retards is the least retarded.
>>332055480
The male default character is basically porn actor Marco Banderas.
did you upgrade your robot yet, /v/?
>no low INT dialogue
>don't get to hear the voice actors going "hurr durr ptphtptfbpphbt"
The voiced MC was such a waste of time
>>332059948
>not even the option to have a customized voice
>make an old looking character, still sounds like a 30y/o white man
>make a nigger/beaner, still sound like a normal white man
Boo fucking hoo great job beth
>>332059861
You can fucking do this? Maybe I will look into getting automatron, that shit looks hilarious.
You can customise the character a lot, just to end up unable to roleplay as nothing but a concerned father/mother.
It was brutally disappointing.
>>332060265
there isn't that much to it, it's not really worth the asking price if you don't have the season pass, but yes, the robot customization is funny
also the quest dialogue changes depending on whether you're the Shroud or not, which is great
>NV
>sets you up as just some courier who got shot in the head so you build your character onward
>4
>you only get to be either mom or dad but you can't escape SHAAAAAAUN
Is this how Bethesda thought you would be able to connect to your character more?
>>332059861
I bet this shit can lengthen the 2 hour lifespan of the game for another 45 minutes.
>>332060685
Worst thing is by the time you actually get to SHAUUUUUN you usually stop caring about him. You, as a player, have no real connection to him - you've seen him for like what, 5 minutes top? And then he's taken away, your wife shot for no real reason (she was not radiated at all, too - might as well just take her, fucking stupid institute fucks, same goes for the MC), and I imagine people who customized their wife/husband were fucking disappointed by that.
>>332060685
you managed to complete the game in 2 hours? that's pretty impressive
>>332060772
Actually wanted to quote >>332060617
>>332060787
I managed to get bored of it in an hour, but by bff (she bought this crap) didn't leave until an hour later. It was then when I switched to Witcher 3 and played the card minigame until lunch.
What is impressive is someone who actually had the guts to play more than 3-4 hours.
>>332060772
I don't know why they thought going into his room and poking him would be good enough bonding to make you care about him at all. Hell he doesn't even wake up or do anything, it's like he was frozen before getting into the cryochamber.
>>332060486
Its like Bethesda thought people woulnt buy this if everything wasnt almost exactly the same to the third one.
>>332060235
>le black people have different voices meme
>Silly faces are hilarious
You must be 18 or older to post on this website.
>kill bear
drops bottle caps
>stroll into a raider camp with power armor
they actually run at me with metal pipes
>hard enemy
x99 hp modifier xD
>meaningful dialogue
yes (sarcastic) xD xD XD
>>332062001
I know right? What kind of simpleton is amused by someone making an expression?
>>332058443
Yes, but it set the tone for what I was in for. I had enough shitty writing by that point, I didn't need to see more.
>>332055480
>try to make a character not look like a big boss/geralt ripoff
>fail
>>332056730
why are you overusing commas
>>332064124
why, are you complaining, about spell?
we are not, reddit. You knoow?
>Get drunk
>Walk up to a chick
>"mmgGhHEY THAR"
>One dialogue option later he talks like a straight-edge again
That made me fucking furious
