That fucking Machamp vs. Gardevoir matchup
>You will never get in close
>>331726587
Machamp is worthless against any projectile spammer.
>Synergy awarded for beating someone's shit in while the person getting beat up does not get as much Synergy, so it's the opposite of a revenge meter
>Try to jump out of a synergy activated Machamp's grab as smol Weavile and get grabbed while in midair and take 250 damage but if this big ass Machamp is starting to jump (read: STARTING as in his feet have barely left the ground yet) he's completely safe from Weavile's measily 80 damage grab
>counterattack doesn't come out on frame 1 so I have to hold block on wakeup and take chip damage to Mewtwo Hyper Beams
>Some pokemon can get jabbed out of starting up Synergy Burst attack while some are entirely invincible on startup
>some of these strong as hell attacks like Charizard aerial Flare Blitz and Machamp flying press are entirely safe when blocked because they roll back when they land
>Counter Attack super armor will break if the attack you are countering is too strong/too many hits
>Mewtwo's Psystrike has super armor/immunity to grabs and attacks
>Summoning supports like Jirachi just to give you some synergy leaves you open to an attack, while Disrupter supports gives INVULNERABILITY and can be activated in the middle of blocking combos because combos are so slow that opponents have enough time to make inputs since there is not enough hitstun on guard to compensate for how long it takes for an attack to come out
This game is so fucking stupid.
>>331727747
>fighters have different strengths and weaknesses: the post
mfw gengars ultimate guard breaks
>>331728339
nice defense dude, you sure argued every single one of my points with one sentence. Every single one. At least try to make an argument dude.
Shit like the grabbing with Weavile vs Machamp and supports is not balanced at all, god I wish I could save replays in this game with all the dumb stuff that happens in this game.
>>331728763
It's a pretty casual fighting game to be honest. It kinda reminds me of the Naruto fighting games in a weird way, pretty basic but entertaining especially if you love the franchise. Your criticisms are valid and I have my own with the game but it's fun for what it is and the level at which I'm playing it
>>331729086
>try to be smugposter when I criticize the game
>then take it back by pulling the casual card
i hate you. i hate you forever.
>>331729315
Different anon, should have replied to your original post
>>331729630
oh ok, i was looking at the number of posters and second guessing my post after it went through
>>331729086
>Naruto fighting games
ever played bloddy roar? dissidia? gundam EVS?
its far more akin to those than naruto substitute spam storm
>>331726587
I really want this game badly, but I don't have a Wii U. Why couldn't they have released it on the PS4 instead?
>>331727139
This. Literally last round and some little fag spammed the same projectile 3 times to win.
>>331730762
because ps4 has better fightans
>be Machamp
>niggas try to zone me
>nuh uh nigga, I'm slippery as fuck
>launcher combo
>mofucka eat 240 damage
Fuckin stylin on niggas
>>331730734
I can see the comparison.
>Substitute spam
Hasn't been like that for 6 years
>>331731690
>HURR DURR IM SO SHIT I HAVE TO PICK THE CHARACTER THAT KILLS IN 3 HITS
>>331733204
Stay salty nigga
>another thread where machamps don't appreciate how difficult it is to actually keep their retard character from raping Gardevoir's face in 5 seconds
FUCK GARDEVOIR
>>331733671
Fuck getting in close. You throw a beam and I'll just jump and hadoken.
Machamp has some issues buthe's the only character that feels like a fighting game character to me. His mixup game is ridiculous. No one sees the jumping air grab from field coming.
>>331733261
>>331733204
Lmao
>an entire game of Lightnings
Wtf Machamp why do you suck so much?
>>331727139
>>331730860
CADC
A
D
C
EVEN THE CPU DOES IT
>>331737220
I'm someone who has never played the game before, but I'll probably get it this week
What's a CADC? I know what it stands for, but not what it is. Is it dashing out of a counter-attack after you trigger it?
>>331737403
yeah
you can also do it if you don't trigger it
it's useful since it allows character like Machamp to get through projectile spam without chip damage
>>331737220
>>331737532
This is very difficult to pull off with machamp because of how slow he is, its good enough to get through a one or two range attacks but against heavy spam you will get hit in between dash cancels.
Its very easy for the zoner to mix it up when you move like a tank.
>>331737147
>machamp
>suck
Since fucking when? Because he certainly doesn't in this game.
>>331726587
How well did this do in sales in the west?
>>331727747
>Synergy awarded for beating someone's shit in while the person getting beat up does not get as much Synergy, so it's the opposite of a revenge meter
This alone puts it leagues above street fighter. Fuck comeback mechanics.
>>331741126
dumbass
how good is Lucario in this game ( i plan on picking it up next month)
>>331741403
Very good
>>331741371
>defending ultras
Spotted the sf4 babby
>>331727139
>cross chop ignores projectiles if you use bulk up
>karate chop SLICES through projectiles regardless of your state
>homing attack that allows you to literally dash through the air and smash the motherfuckers skull
>CADC
It's so easy to spot bad Pokken players it's cute
>>331741403
Pretty good. Bone Rush allows for sudden quick approaches and has pretty ridiculous range. Fully charged Force Palm deals tons of damage.
There aren't really any bad characters in this game now that I think about it. They probably need to patch that Shadow Mewtwo's infinite though.
>>331737403
Counter attack and then cancel it with forward +R1
Imagine your shitter opponent's eyes widen with fear when you literally swim upstream through their projectile spam and kick their ass
>>331740954
No info about the US/Japan sales yet.
>>331743723
And it looks like it did better than Super Mystery Dungeon in it's opening week.
>>331743723
>>331744010
I seriously hope this becomes successful enough to warrant Pokken 2 in NX or a DLC update.
>>331743069
Not him but what they do need to change is that all projectiles need to be CADCable
Looking at that Mewtwo beam and those Chandelure fireballs specifically
How do I approach as Blaziken?
>>331744127
I can't remember the last time a Pokemon game truly tanked. Even goddamn Pokemon Battle Revolution managed to push like 1 mln copies despite all the hate it got.
>>331744675
Air dash
That air kick charge attack that has very good range
It's high and low stance also block projectiles IIRC
>>331727747
>Slow power type has a burst that's more effective then a nibble slashes u 1000 times type
WOOOOOOOOW UHUHHUH
I don't need to read anymore, I'm sorry your fucking retarded though
>>331743492
Strangely enough, I've yet to actually face that infinite. I've seen a handful of S.Mewtwo's, and while I try to take steps to avoid the scenario, it's clear they don't even bother using it. But yeah, besides that, it's one of the most well-balanced fighting games I've played. Everyone's anazing.
I wish the AI was better so I could practice on it. Holy shit I'm so bad, as soon as I reached D rank I couldn't even win anymore so I ranked down again.
Just kill me
>>331730762
>Bought a PS4 b/c beaten-wife syndrome, expecting the games to get better.
how long until shitters are online
I just got my ass handed to me so hard, I just nearly avoided getting ranked down
>>331745289
I remember the Pokepark Wii games not selling too hot/
>>331749180
if anything the shitters are only going to deplete from now
some will give up on the game, some will finally git gud and start kicking your ass
it's only going to get worse from now anon, so better start practising those CADCs
>>331749661
But how the hell are you supposed to CADC through Counter-piercing moves like Mewtwo's Hyperbeam? Or gigantic multihit moves like Braixen's fireblast?
>>331749661
>so better start practising those CADCs
I did
Gardevoir still zones me the fuck out
>>331749658
sold well enough to warrant a sequel
if anything the success of pokepark wii showed how much demand there is for a real time action Pokemon game
>>331745426
Yep pretty much this.
Air dash over projectiles.
Homing attack charge to down charge kick to instigate dual phase.
Didn't know about the stances blocking though - are you sure? Will try tonight.
Fucking love Blaziken.
>>331750881
>Air Dash over projectiles
That legitimately never works for me. Projectiles like Braixen's fireblast/spam, and Mewtwo's Hyperbeam last so long that it just drops me right into them.
>>331751306
Obviously this doesn't work for every projectile. Hyper Beam thankfully has a rather long wind up phrase and cooldown period so it's relatively easy to CADC. Fire Blast only becomes a problem if you stand far enough for it to become a giant daimonji of doom.
>>331728339
You can jump to avoid it, not sure if you can do it off reaction to a raw super.
What determines piercing a Counter Attack, number of hits or damage? And does every character's counter attack have the same amount of armor to it? I tried out some Charizard vs Chandelure earlier today, and I swear those attacks just ate mine up like it was nothing but he could charge a counter through me doing 4 hits that must be 200+ damage and not get it broken.
>>331753087
I think Counters are only broken by attacks with piercing properties.
>>331753087
check your move list, some attacks simply state that they are able to pierce counters. Throws are usually much safer though, especially if you have a command grab given how often scrubs use counter or block and it beats both.
Quick!
Tell me your completely subjective tier list for Pokken. GO!
>>331753574
Kill yourself.
>>331754439
but why?
>>331754527
You're only asking because you you're insecure about who you play and want validation, so fuck off.
>>331730762
>Nintendo IP
>On a Playstation
kek
>>331754680
>insecure about who you play and want validation
so would that mean I want my main to be high or low tier?I wanted to get more people in the thread but ok that works too
>>331727747
>>Synergy awarded for beating someone's shit in while the person getting beat up does not get as much Synergy, so it's the opposite of a revenge meter
which is a good thing
>>Try to jump out of a synergy activated Machamp's grab as smol Weavile and get grabbed while in midair and take 250 damage but if this big ass Machamp is starting to jump (read: STARTING as in his feet have barely left the ground yet) he's completely safe from Weavile's measily 80 damage grab
If you got grabbed you either weren't jumping or he did an airgrab, and yeah you can't get grabbed on the ground if you're in the air
>>counterattack doesn't come out on frame 1 so I have to hold block on wakeup and take chip damage to Mewtwo Hyper Beams
that's called a meaty, they're in SF too
>>Some pokemon can get jabbed out of starting up Synergy Burst attack while some are entirely invincible on startup
which is a good thing, you should never rely on raw supers, learn your combos
>>some of these strong as hell attacks like Charizard aerial Flare Blitz and Machamp flying press are entirely safe when blocked because they roll back when they land
Counter Attack, or dodge
>>Counter Attack super armor will break if the attack you are countering is too strong/too many hits
armor breaking moves exist we know this
>>Mewtwo's Psystrike has super armor/immunity to grabs and attacks
Mewtwo is overpowered, stop the presses
>>Summoning supports like Jirachi just to give you some synergy leaves you open to an attack, while Disrupter supports gives INVULNERABILITY and can be activated in the middle of blocking combos because combos are so slow that opponents have enough time to make inputs since there is not enough hitstun on guard to compensate for how long it takes for an attack to come out
if you can do anything while "blocking" a combo then it wasn't a combo, and supports who exist to stop approaches are obviously going to protect you more than a support which does nothing but heal you
>>331750881
here's a video on the stance effects
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUoSQg4d1R8
>>331753574
tier list based off who you play vs what kind of person you are
Cool Niggas tier
everyone not listed in the rest of the chart
furfags tier
braixen
gardevoir
suicune
Lucario
Gay Niggas tier
Luchachu
Mewtwo
EXTRA Gay Niggas tier
Shadow Mewtwo
>>331728339
It's a grab.
>>331726587
How's charizard? I was disappointed that he was so low tier in sm4sh. Surely they wouldn't fuck him over twice, right?
>>331755335
>Not putting chandelure in extra gay niggas tier
>>331726587
>That fucking Machamp vs. Gardevoir matchup
>>You will never get in close
Well Gardevoir is Psychic/fairy.
>>331728339
>>331755953
>mfw jabbing out of gengar's synergy burst and he can't do shit about it
>>331756168
Take that back you piece of shit
>>331755989
He's pretty good. Flare Blitz is strong as fuck and has an annoying splash damage effect. Lots of his attacks are reported to have super armor. His flying stance makes him unique among all other fighters, and his Burst attack can be launched mid air.
As it was already said ITT, there really arent any bad characters in the game so far, so go nuts.
>>331755989
I main him but I dont frequent /fgc/ or anything like that so take everything I say with a huge amount of salt
he's fun to play. he hits like a truck and has a few neat combos and mixups but he's nowhere near as combo heavy as some other characters. his projectiles are ok but he definitely has more of a focus on close combat.
there are some tools for footsies and mindgames, stuff that puts you back a bit or into flying stance. seismic toss is absolutely deadly and probably among the best grabs in the game. that said, I dont know any actual frame data but it feels like he got shafted on that a bit. You need good spacing, otherwise you're probably gonna take some hits because chances are, your opponent's faster.
You can make him work and he's definitely not as far off the top tiers as in Sm4sh but I dont see him winning any tourneys.
>>331758016
>there really arent any bad characters in the game so far
Besides Gardevoir
Post main and the song that plays in your head when you start rocking gay niggas and furfags.
>Machamp
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9hWJXpDb7E
>most fighting games have online "shoto syndrome" where you end up fighting the Ryu/Ken equivalents in most of your online matches
>barely see any Lucario players online and not a whole lot of Blaziken either
What gives? Online seems to be the Chandelure and Pikachu show at the moment.
So, is this game any good?
I'm downloading the demo right now.
Worth a purchase?
>>331758751
Zoning is the current meta. I can't go online, especially against /v/ or /vg/, without at least 50% of all matches being either Chandelure or Braixen. Their very existence requires the mastering of counter cancelling just to win with some other characters, so they bring easy wins this early in the game's life.
>>331758861
I think it's pretty fun.
>>331755335
>Luchachu
>gay
>Chandelure
>Not extra gay
Shit list
Alright Nia, Shadow Mewtwo is draining all the energy in the region, and no one can use synergy anymore. If we don't stop him here and now he'll become unstoppable and destroy the world. What advice have you got for me?
"Relax! Remember, you're in this to have fun!"
Just a reminder that Chandy is best Pokken.
>>331761947
Chandy is a slut!
A SLUT
>>331727139
>>331726587
Idiots.
Bulk up and use cross chop or submission. Bulk up is your best friend
