Which installment of Counter Strike is the best, /v/?
the one with all the dude weed and purple guns
1.6
SOURCE, SOURCE, SOURCE, SOURCE. ALL DAY YOU PUSSY FAGGOTS.
>>331565656
triple 56 doesnt lie
>>331565656
>I'm shit at both 1.6 and CSGO
1.6>CZ>CSGO>CSS
lmao stop shilling your stupid old games, nerds.
they don't even have hyperbeast skins or weed stickers and nobody even takes them seriously hahaa
>>331565656
source is the worst counter strike
1.6>csgo>source
>T-minus three posts until the thread devolves into bitching about how spray patterns being random or non-random makes a game inherently good or bad "for some fucking reason"
>>331565297
The original.
Each sequel did nothing other than try to make more money off something that was free in the first place, while completely missing out on what made the original so fucking good.
Even 1.6 was going downhill already.
>>331566340
Spray patterns aren't the problem.
64 tick servers with hitboxes half the size of the actual model and some of the worst balance in the genre is the problem. It's pathetic when people try to defend Valve over this shit.
B-But at least you get some super l33t knife skins! That's the kind of shit "competitive" gameplay is made of!
>>331565895
Hot dayum
>>331566207
But it's my favorite.
>>331565297
1.3
>>331566678
I agree with you anon, makes me wonder how many matches out there have had a significant change in outcome because of 64 tick.
How hard is it for valve to go 128? Higher costs?
1.6>promod>source>csgofuckyourself
>>331568447
Relative to the money they're making off gun hats and passes it would cost them almost nothing.
But that requires actual work to do, and Valve doesn't do work. Maybe if the community worked out everything for 128 tick servers and also devised a way for Valve to sell it back to them they'd consider it.
CS Source of course.
>>331565297
Counter-Strike Beta 5 (1997)
>21 months in a year
>>331565297
Beta5
>>331565297
1.5>1.6>1.3>Source>Go
>>331565656
>>331565895
the truth of the numbers are with this 2 posts
>>331565656
didn't source have awful hit boxes?
>>331569874
Some people complained they were too big.
Which is why in GO we got head hitboxes ending at the fucking eyes.
>>331566207
This
1.6 was by far the best game in term of mechanics
CS:GO is not bad at all being just slightly worse than 1.6 but having great graphics
Source was a manchild clownfiesta with shitty spray patterns, retarded hitboxes and horrible graphics
Also, it has recently become a bit more difficult to reach Global Elite in CS:GO so now not every single retard who's played for half a year can get it so that's good too.
Cs:go because people play it
>>331570649
>people
you mean literal children, autistic traders, and wannabe l337 pr0s who are actually the worst players on their team.
CS:GO community is the worst I've ever seen, and that's including DotA and LoL
>>331566678
I've played CS since 1.6 came out and I still don't a any idea what tick means
>>331568989
>>331569682
You are a retarded /v/ contrarian if you think CSGO is worse than source.
>>331565297
None, they're all shit
>>331571639
Fuck you
>>331571343
>implying the 1.6 or Source communities aren't a lot worse
>>331571517
If only we had a magic box to put in words and instantly get their meaning explained to us
I honestly just want counter strike to fucking die. It's time to move on to new things
>>331571938
I don't care enough to find out. I just enjoy my games.
>>331566207
>1.6 babbies
Disgusting
1.5 or get fucked
>>331571935
They objectively aren't.
Both are now just played by older people playing a game they've enjoyed for over a decade.
>>331572101
Well yeah, you're a CS player
>>331572109
whats the difference i only played 1.6?
>>331571517
Google it, it's the rate at which the client and server update each other. 128 tick is 128 times a second.
"cl_updaterate 128, cl_cmdrate 128, rate 128000, cl_interp_ratio 1, cl_interp 0"
>>331572174
1.6 is just Russians and anyone who liked Source is human waste
![hitboxes_0000_CSS[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0vXrhBJ.jpg "hitboxes_0000_CSS[1].jpg")
>>331569874
Literally the worst
>>331570121
>GO
>hitboxes
>boxes
no
>>331572174
I live in a shithole where people just play 1.6 and community sucks mayor ass.
csgo at least has decent people playing it.
>>331571523
>This logic
This logic would mean that anyone who liked 1.6 was a nostalgiafag contrarian because it's easily the least selling in the series.
>>331572229
No sheild
No galail(sp?)
Shooting felt tighter but that might just be me.
Also, pre-valve cs. Steam was fucking horrible when it first came out
>>331572262
What does that have to do with anything?
>>331572426
>csgo at least has decent people playing it.
I'm banned from MM for a day because I got kicked by the 13 year old 4 stack on my team "for lulz"
What a decent community.
>>331566678
>64 tick servers
You don't have to play on 64 tick. CEVO is free (and sucks), Faceit is free (and sucks for US), and ESEA (which put a bitcoin miner into their client by "accident", and took it out).
>hitboxes half the size of the actual model
They fixed that a while ago.
>worst balance in the genre is the problem.
What genre? FPS? Does CoD and BF4 have better balance? Do those even count as E-Sports? The only skillful FPS esport besides CS is Quake Live, and all of these games have drastically different gameplay to my knowledge.
>skins
Pure cancer, I agree with you. Part of me wishes they never implemented them, but according to Lurpiss, they are the source of the money for the competitive play.
>>331571523
GO is shit because it killed the pub scene, fuck you tourneyfaggots for ruining the franchise.
>>331572519
What does your reply have to do with anything?
Do you lack the ability to comprehend what I wrote or read what is written? If you don't play counter strike, then the post was not for you. If you do not know what rates are, you can google them. Then my post will make sense to you.
>>331565297
The best https://youtu.be/mB6fq9Aadwk
>>331572375
>they're no longer box shaped so they aren't hitboxes
They are all over rated and not much fun to be honest.
Maybe because I never played 1.6 but just what I think.
>>331572713
>solo queuing
>>331573060
It's scary how much like GO looks like CS For Kids now.
>>331573424
>game is literally unplayable by yourself
>if I queue after my ban alone there's a 90% chance I'll get kicked for no reason and get a 7 day ban
>Valvebots will defend this
A multiplayer game can only be as good as its community, and CS:GO/DotA are a fucking joke.
>>331572713
This is an issue. You can report them, that's why the system is there. I'm sure you can get loss prevention.
If you were playing on client, you'd have to get kicked by a mod, and even then you can dispute it once you get out and the other guy can get banned. It happens, but just keep playing.
>>331572839
>killed the pub scene
There's still plenty of servers you shitters can play on.
>>331565297
1.5>1.6>1.4>CZ
>>331574201
All servers are either surf, Zombie, or Deathmatch.
The server scene isn't even a shell of what it used to be.
>you will never play simpsons again
>you will never play de_rats again
>you will never play poolday again
>you will never play iceworld again
>you will never play a fun and unique custom map again
>>331565297
1.6 > CSS community & mods > 1.6 mods >>> cz >>>>>>> css >>> csgo
https://youtu.be/sRDl2YYx_Wg
>>331574426
>you will never play those shitty maps made for faggots
Fuck off, nobody cares.
>all these faggots shitting on CZ
I want sourcefags and GOtards to fuck off, please
>>331565297
Source for custom content and 1.6 for gameplay.
>>331574626
Don't you have an e-''''''''sports'''''''' game you should be betting hats on, g4m3r?
>>331574653
CZ is only good for the new hand models you can bring into 1.6
>>331574626
The only saving grace of the CS series were the custom maps
Now it's got nothing but shitty gunplay, tiny maps, fw gamemodes and russians
i have only played 1.5 and 1.6
1.6 was better
>>331568440
My nigga
>>331572375
They don't fucking look like that any more. People whined so Valve made it so that the hitboxes were instead hit-cylinders that wrapped around the model.
The reason a lot of people complain about their "Hit" shots "Missing" is that the bullet spread you see on your screen has nothing to do with the spread the server sees. The random number is on the server, not the client, so that accuracy hacks aren't really possible any more - they are possible, but you can't make it so that you shoot 5 shots at an impossible angle into all the enemies' heads.
It means that the holes aren't where the bullets land, which sucks for reactivity, but it isn't anything you could control. Statistically, the difference will cause you to hit as many bullshit shots as it will cause you to miss them. This is not something you can control.
http://blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/2015/09/12492/
>>331574426
Those maps are played on servers, it's just that everyone that plays on them are complete trash. I agree with you that there isn't anywhere the amount of servers that used to exist, but there's still some good places.
Those places being mostly DM, retakes, and KZ. House of Climb might be kind of fun for you, assuming it's not on a ridiculous Long Jump map.
>>331565297
Condition Zero
>>331568447
it's because many people are playing the game on toasters and valve doesn't want them to be at a disadvantage because they would be getting almost 3 ticks every frame and miss out on 1/3 of the info from the server. it's dumb but not going to change.
>>331575170
And what I get out of it:
>competitive is a casual format
>>331575170
Please.
It's because it's much cheaper to operate. Valve doesn't give a fuck about low-end players. Just look at all the controversy over the de_nuke remake that shits all over low end computers.
I don't understand how much it'll take for people to see that Valve is a shitty company. They've already done things infinitely more greedy and shady than EA and Activision could even dream of, but people still lap up their shit.
Is there ANYTHING that 1.6 did other than better anticheat that would make it superior to 1.3 or even 1.5?
>>331575376
Gaben meme faggots
>>331575376
>infinitely more greedy and shady than EA
yeah no
fuck valve but EA are the worst just look at dead space 3 alone.
>>331575698
Galil and famas but that was pretty much it. Also god tier shield for trolling in pubs
Anyone who doesn't say Condition Zero Deleted Scenes is a big faggot and probably bad at video games.
>>331575376
>EA
>better than anything else
>ever
No fuck off
>>331575856
Dead Space 3 can't even be compared to paid mods, or selling hats back to the community that made them.
Or how about that recent DotA Major in Shanghai? The tournament was completely funded by compendium sales, of which Valve pocketed 75% of, and then used a FREE production company to handle the production of the tournament. Every match was met with 3 hour delays, no audio, random cuts, etc...
But le Gaben memes xD he is gaming Jesus! EA is actually worse than them!
>>331576190
EA is responsible for countless rushed games, ruined or lost or casualised or bastardized franchises, DLC bullshit out of the ass, microtransactions, what have you
Just fuck off
>>331576387
>EA is responsible for countless rushed games, ruined or lost or casualised or bastardized franchises, DLC bullshit out of the ass, microtransactions, what have you
Are you honestly trying to suggest that Valve hasn't done any of these?
For somebody who hates micro-transactions you sure are going out of your way to defend the biggest fucking perpetrator of micro-transactions in the industry. And not only that, they sell micro-transactions CREATED BY THE COMMUNITY
But right, EA is worse or something somehow because they don't have reddit memes about Andrew Wilson
>>331576690
>Are you honestly trying to suggest that Valve hasn't done any of these?
No you fucking retard
I'm saying that EA is the posterchild for big soulless corporations in video games destroying the dreams of countless players and devs alike
You're trying to marginalize what EA has done and is doing because of your hateboner for Valve
And that's so fucking stupid that my head hurts
>>331576690
Valve has not released a game with $870 of DLC. All of the micro-transations on the market place are skins, none of which impact the actual gameplay.
Not only that, but the creators of the skins get money. The biggest issue you have is the tax from valve on the market, which you negate by trading.
The only thing that is wrong with skins is that people spend so much time and effort on them.
Valve is by no means a fucking saint of a company, but they're no where near the level of bullfuckery that is EA.
It is amazing how many people will circlejerk over 1.6 but then you go play pugs and literally only beaners and russians play. Then when you play the only decent US pugs (Disturbia) they take forever to fill. /v/, you love 1.6 so much, why aren't you playing it?
Like why post how much you love 1.6 if you don't actually play it? It is an anonymous fucking board. You aren't cool because you "like" 1.6.
>>331577108
time and money***
>>331577108
Holy shit check out this mad Valve drone. Fuck off kid
>>331576834
Nobody is marginalizing shitty business practices but you.
If you don't understand what's soulless and honestly pretty fucking disgusting about selling community created content back to the community, not using community pooled funds for a tournament for said tournament, taking two paid company vacations a year when you do no work, outsourcing all your dev work, or even having the head of your company OPENLY INSULT the community on reddit you're so fucking stupid that my head hurts.
>>331577108
I think they're just a smidgen worse, but at least we can agree that both are dogshit companies.
>>331576190
They definitely can.
You present it as "selling content back to the community that made it" but that's a hell of a leap and you know it. I'm in the community. It's no stretch of the imagination to say that you were at some point in the community. It's also no stretch to say neither of us made fuck all. The people who are actually making things for the community are getting compensated for their work, and literally all it's done has attract bigger and more serious content creators to the scene.
>>331566557
>Each sequel did nothing other than try to make more money off something that was free in the first place, while completely missing out on what made the original so fucking good
The CS:GO devs seemed like they understood at some point... then skins happened.
>>331577189
I don't know. I guess if you played 1.6 and before you will 99/100 have long since stopped playing CS. I couldn't stand steam when they forced it unto CS and bailed then and there. That is more than a decade ago. Never installed steam either because of that shitty way it started. CS is like a zombie and ppl. should let it go already and give it its final headshot.
>>331576190
The only Gaben memes are people trying really fucking hard to pretend that valve's monetisation of their games is even on the same plane of existence as literally any other major publisher in terms of greed or intrusion.
>>331566678
>64 tick servers
It's still pretty bad on 128 tick. You don't get obnoxious peeker's advantage, but it still feels really random if you actually hit or not.
>>331577613
I have made community maps and skins, though. And me and my friends/clan got to play with them for free. Because why the fuck would anyone think it's okay for it to be different.
>The people who are actually making things for the community are getting compensated for their work
Hardly. Even the most popular DotA sets only brought 10k to the creators.
Decent money for not much work, sure. Acceptable profits compared to what Valve made off that by doing literally fuck all? No.
The fact you're even defending paid community skins shows you're already too far gone. If EA did something like this it would be a non-stop shitstorm on every gaming site.
>>331577850
Basically this
>>331577783
I still play it somewhat regularly to this day, there are plenty of pug servers like I said. Most beaner pug servers are hosted in miami anyway so its not like you lag playing on them. Its still a very fun game, great mechanics, fucking amazing movement, the whole 9 yards.
It just baffles me that people will circlejerk how much better 1.6 is than GO, then refuse to play 1.6. I'm pretty sure most people that talk all this praise about 1.6 were just 32slot 16k 24/7 dust2 warriors.
>>331565895
check'd
>>331578106
>Hardly. Even the most popular DotA sets only brought 10k to the creators.
You know some of the most popular TF2, CSGO, and Dota 2 workshop content creators have literally quit their fucking jobs and work fulltime on making cosmetics for valve games, right?
>>331566207
Thiiiiis
>>331578270
Oh wow, they get to make 10k at best per set while Valve is making hundreds of thousands off it!
This is such a great perk for the players and content creators of the community! I sure am glad I have to pay for what every other game does for free!
Seriously dude, get Gabe's taint out of your face.
>>331578478
Why are you sarcastically saying that it is a great perk? You don't think making over 6 figures a year for making fucking sets isn't a good perk? Especially considering how little set makers actually work compared to most people with a 6 figure salary.
>>331578597
Jesus fucking Christ, dude.
You seriously have no problem with PAYING FOR WHAT EVERY OTHER GAME HAS FOR FREE?
You seriously have no problem with ALL OF THESE ONCE FREE COMMUNITY MADE MODS being completely bottlenecked by Valve's monopolization?
You're too far gone. Valvedrones are even worse than neoGAF forum posters.
>>331565895
CSGO takes the most skill.
>>331578950
You know what happened when model and texture replacements were allowed by the client?
Fucking hacks. In dota and counter-strike. I don't care that valve made it impossible to cheat with edited models and textures, no.
>>331579376
Right, I'm sure that's why they removed them.
Good thing hacks don't exist in GO or DotA anymore!
>>331579574
>good thing hacks don't exist in GO or DotA anymore
When did I say that? Do you not know what mat hacking is?
I miss the old CS community. There used to be a mixture of elements but now thanks to GO the whole thing is built around the tryhard MLG audience.
>>331579762
Transparent walls, longer guns, yes.
Pretending like that's had any impact on the number of cheaters is a stretch.
Pretending like even if it did is a good excuse to completely monopolize the community aspect of the game is unfiltered Valvedroning.
I will never understand consumers like you.
>>331579960
>I'm a silver shitter
>>331579960
>tryhard
>trying to win in a competitive game is bad
honestly 1.6 and pre 1.6 were the most skill based balanced ones.
source is the most fun for alternate stuff, like zombie mode
go is best for kill count guns and ebin knife skins
>boring strike
yawn
why do people pretend like GO is a competitive game when it runs on 64tick servers and incredibly outdated source code with shit balance? it's just a TF2 with a 5 dollar paywall
even source was more competitive and it's focus was on custom modes and maps
>>331580785
Firstly, you don't have 15.625ms reaction time so your complaint is fundamentally retarded.
Secondly, the premier league has their own 128 tick servers.
>>331579960
I agree. Old CS community was fun.
>>331580150
>Pretending like that's had any impact on the number of cheaters is a stretch.
It really isn't. You couldn't get caught mat hacking. You can get caught using internals.
How is it even monopolizing the community aspect? You can use whatever custom mods or skins you want on community hosted servers.
>>331581383
Old CS actually had a community because it was all built around servers. Now that they're pushing matchmaking and leagues as the primary means of interaction you lose that.
>>331565297
1.6 feels a lot better to me. I don't know why that is. I'm good at 1.6 but shit at GO.
1.5 > 1.6 > Source > GO
>>331575139
>>331575998
I had literally forgotten this even existed.
Wasn't it called "Condition Zero Sales" back then or something?
So how does 1.6 actually compare to CZ?
>>331577343
Nice argument, you showed me.
