Who the fuck thought that is was a good idea?
Good thing they fixed it in the ios/pc version
>>331124776
>He can't blitz
>>331124893
Fuck off faggot not everyone plays fighting games 24/7 and is able to pull something like that off easily.
>>331125047
While Blitz is a stupid gimmick that adds nothing to the game, it somewhat helps that it doesn't recognize diagonal inputs.
>>331125047
The inputs are exactly the same for navigating a menu to select your attack.
>>331125847
No they aren't.
>>331126440
Yes they are.
>>331126936
>L and R shit
>have to memorize the combinations
No.
>>331124776
Blitz is a bad command but if you can't actually execute even the most basic ones then that's your problem
>rocking the d-pad in a circle for an instant kill attack is hard
>select Blitz
>enter the command
>it doesn't register
>try again
>end up dying
Maybe I just had a busted copy but it didn't incentivize me to continue playing the game
the only bullshit is if you borrowed this game from your buddy and didn't also get the manual
you literially can't do a fucking thing
>>331124776
It would help if Blitz detection wasn't absolute shit even if you're taking your time.
>>331127760
You have to input the command before pressing A, not after.
>>331124776
I think Blitz is what turned me on to Fighting Games.
I really wish there were more active elements like this in modern rpgs.
>>331127945
>I really wish there were more active elements like this in modern rpgs.
Fuck off.
>>331127803
No one reads manuals, people cry there isn't any on modern games, but truth is, nobody read it.
>>331127945
Why? It's shit, go play a true action rpg.
>>331127861
That's what I did, Anon. I chose the Blitz command and then hit Left, Right, Left and A.
>>331128117
>etrian
>autistic mapping simulator
>select from a menu in combat
>zero active elements
I mean, it's still fun, but they could make it more game-y by adding anything active.
Blitz really adds a new dimension to combat, and if you don't like it, you don't even have to use that character or his gimmick.
Sabin was my favorite character BECAUSE OF BLITZ.
>>331124776
Blitzes were just FF6's QTEs
Remember that when you're playing FFXV
>>331128336
No no no no no.
Scroll down to "Blitz"
press "A"
Left
Right
Left
A
(Not Left + A!!!)
>>331125047
>He can't blitz
>>331128551
>Scroll down to "Blitz"
>press "A"
>Left
>Right
>Left
>A
That's what I did. It didn't register.
>>331127945
Are you retarded? There's basically zero RPGs with completely turn-based combat today.
Mario & Luigi does it best.
>>331128720
No you didn't. You either pushed "Left+A" or you didn't actually select "Blitz" before trying to enter it in.
It's ok, 4 year olds can't do it, sometimes, either.
The simple ones were fine but I could never pull off a bum rush no matter how many times I tried
Then again I was a stupid child and I probably misunderstood something. Barely remember and I haven't replayed the game since the 90s
>>331127212
To be fair, you're not gonna use all of them. Once you get Bum/Phantom Rush, it's all you need forever. Also, are people really this bad at video games now?
>>331128860
>You either pushed "Left+A"
Why the fuck would I see >>331124776
and think "Oh, this means I have to hold down left and right and left and the A button at the same time"? Don't be dense. I literally selected the command and pressed the buttons in the order the game asked me to and it said the command failed.
>>331128893
It's just a half circle.
>>331128725
I love that series, currently playing through dream team and have paper jam on deck.
Most rpgs don't do what m&l does.
>>331128306
These don't really offer the full control of an entire party you get from traditional jrpgs. Your party is braindead AI, useless, or nonexistant.
>>331128384
>Blitz really adds a new dimension to combat
No it doesn't. It's just another completely pointless gimmick in a game chock full of them. RPGs do not need an "active" element. Nine times out of ten you end up with something stupid that only serves to waste the player's time.
>>331129291
Not him, but give Valkyrie Profile a try.
>>331124776
>Blitz is shit
>How would I know to wait for Shadow?
>How would I know that I could save Cid?
It seems that FFVI is the ultimate subtle casual fitler, holy shit.
>>331128441
>command inputs are QTEs
Some fresh memes being baked here.
>>331129041
>Why would I push left+A?
Because it's possible, and a common input.
Fuck, maybe you ARE 4 years old if you don't know why anyone would ever need/be able to press "left + A" in a video game.
I kept trying to do it after the a press during the animation
turns out the actual input was a whole lot easier than I imagined it would be
basically my entire experience with the game, kept expecting it to get difficult or complex on me and then it never did.
>>331129576
>haha you probably tried left+a like a babby
>not really
>haha you probably didn't try left+a like a babby
You seem really defensive about this
>>331125047
>He can't blitz
I did the 360 one every single time without fail. git gud
>>331129440
Well, not all RPGs need to be "a bunch of guys stand in a line and wait for their turn." And this is coming from a guy who loves that type of game and wish it would come back. Doing stuff like action commands doesn't waste anyone's time. It's just there to spice things up a little.
>>331129440
Blitz isn't a waste of time though, it's a skill check.
If you do the input properly, you're rewarded with significantly more damage and don't have to spend MP.
I want to see more mechanics like Blitz. It only sucks when the mechanic becomes trivial or tedious.
Blitz is perfectly designed because you don't have to use it. There are plenty of other characters with their own gimmicks.
>>331129453
I picked up covenant of the plume on DS but I don't think that's the game everyone's talking about.
Is there a remake, port, or 'spiritual successor' coming? I remember hearing something...
>>331128720
Then you did it wrong, because that's how it's done.
>>331129892
wait blitz is considered difficult?
its a decent fun mechanic, unlike say the stupidity that is Cyan's waiting game but in no way difficult
it actually upsets me that people had trouble doing blitz commands. filthy fucking casuals
>>331129892
Dude, please. For the love of everything good. Go play the first game. And then the second.
Also, spiritual successor? Tri-Ace is still making games (that aren't related to FF13)?
>>331130040
to be fair most FF's are incredibly casual to begin with, on the level of pokemon or even more casual given the latter has competitive multiplayer
>>331129492
that's not what a casual filter is. the game is more than beatable without using blitz and saving cid and getting shadow back are secrets.
Are people this bad at video games now? I'm dead fucking serious; I want an answer.
>>331130182
Anon, why would you NOT want a beefy damage dealer in your party at all times? Fuck it, why would you not want a TEAM of them?
>>331130182
So, what IS casual filter?
>>331130334
everyone and their mother learns ultima making even bum rush fairly underwhelming
>>331129892
>Blitz is perfectly designed because you don't have to use it.
Fuck this argument and every single fucking retard who uses it.
>>331130526
But what if you don't want to have a character use magic?
Celes is best girl
>>331130601
Then they get blown out of the water if their name isn't Gau or Gogo. Magic is absurdly overpowered in VI.
>>331130583
Blitz is a pretty damn easy mechanic compared to say optimizing Gau or rigging slots
>>331130583
I like the gimmick, therefore I used it as often as possible.
Lots of people in this thread didn't like it, so they didn't have to use it.
How is that a bad argument? It's good game design. You want your player to have viable and rewarding options.
>>331130334
i used sabin a lot because he's a good character that's easy to get a lot of damage out of, but there's no real compelling reason to use him other than you have to get him in WoR
>>331130506
generally it's a story boss that appears somewhere in the first on half to three quarters of a game that forces the player to learn how to use game mechanics efficiently and gates content from casual players who just want to mash buttons. For instance you couldn't call Magic Master a casual filter because he's an optional boss.
>>331129853
>not remembering the name of Bum Rush forever
>>331129892
>it's a skill check
It doesn't even check for diagonals. Aura Bolt can be performed with either down+down+left or down+left+left.
>>331130804
Didn't seem that way when I played. The only reason I gave Sabin espers was to level up and get strength boosts. He NEVER used magic. My goal wasn't to blow through the game; that's no fun. I just gave serious magic to the mages (Terra, Relm, Edgar, Celes). Everyone else either got white magic or barley anything at all.
>>331131021
on the other hand a beefgate boss/enemy that requires prolonged grinding to beat is ALSO a casual filter, but of the negative kind
as casual is not a measure of skill but rather of devotion so any form of grinding, while being a bad gameplay mechanic, is also an anti-casual mechanic
>>331124776
How terrible at games are you?
>>331131172
>The only reason I gave Sabin espers was to level up and get strength boosts.
Then you fucked up. Sabin's blitzes run off of magic, not vigor, and vigor gives absolute shit returns per point until you get to high levels where that's redundant because you're going to be blowing everything up anyways.
>>331131021
>>331131183
>Casual filter has to be some kind of an enemy/boss
Why?
>>331131172
>giving sabin strength
his best blitzes scale off his magic stat not his strength
you were training him wrong
also the fuck were you doing training Edgar as a MAGE?
>>331131172
Protip: Most of Sabin's Blitzes are magic based.
>Edgar
>mage
You're retarded.
>>331131172
>he never used magic
most of his blitzes damage scales on his magic attack, though
>>331131320
it does not, usually it tends to be in the form of a boss but any section that requires significant investiture of either time or effort is a casual filter
significant compared to the rest of the game that is both before and after it
>>331131021
>Casual filter
>A filter for casuals
>Casuals can't even throw a single hadouken
>Hence, they give up on that character
>Casuals aren't known for finding out nice secrets either
>It still lets you play the game, though, but you get the "casual scum" tag
That's why I said "subtle" casual fitler, you casual.
>>331131360
>>331131348
>>331131375
>>331131317
Whatever the old dude was named, I forgot his name. And duly noted on the blitz thing, I fucked up.
>>331125047
>you
>>331131495
Strago, his name was fucking Strago. I need to replay this game.
>>331131495
>I fucked up.
To be fair to you, this is literally because VI didn't tell you this and instead violated common sense, because apparently the best way to use a Monk is to stick him in the back row, buff his magic stat, and have him spam a blitz that looks physical but isn't.
>>331131495
ah you mean Strago
real shame virtually all of his blue mage spells were useless compared to standard magic
>>331131810
EXCEPT for the big mode-7-y triangle attack. I think it was called Grand Train. Plus, isn't there an item that cuts his MP cost? I remember putting it on him
>>331130840
Gau only starts becoming retarded to manage if you're trying to get every single good rage. Realistically, you can get Stray Cat and Marshal at the very beginning and be set for the rest of the game, maybe Templar if you want him to dominate undead too.
Rigging slots is harder but is both fair once you get it started(Blitz detection is actually broken, automate a blitz in ZSNES and watch how inconsistent it is) and can be pause buffered.
>>331131805
To be fair, Aura Bolt, Fire Dance, and Air Blade don't look physical.
>>331132198
Bum Rush most certainly does
I'm honestly assuming it was supposed to be physical but someone made an error during coding
>>331132329
FFVI is coded like absolute fucking shit so that wouldn't surprise me.
>>331129737
look who's talking!
>Hey buddy, maybe you made the mistake of pressing left + A, like it says you did in your post. Don't worry, it's a common mistake.
>I DIDN'T PRESS LEFT+A BECAUSE IT'S LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR MY BABBY HANDS TO DO THAT!!!
how the fuck are we supposed to respond to that?
>>331129737
Maybe the objective machine was wrong
>>331132329
Bum Rush has way too many crazy effects going on to be completely physical.
>>331132329
>>331133428
I think we can now file Blitzes under not physical or magic, but "Crazy, Non-Elemental Kung Fu bullshit".
>>331133575
Three of them are elemental though.
>>331133840
Then drop the "Non-Elemental" and slip in an anime in there. There we go.
