Was this a good boss fight?
I enjoyed it so yes it was. Capra demon was far, far harder and more frustrating than O&S were.
>>330861628
No, for several reasons, but the most obvious are as follows:
>It is made trivial by using ranged attacks.
>You are often fucked by the camera.
>You are often fucked by the targeting system.
Overall no, its not a good fight.
>>330861628
It would be an excellent boss fight if not for the two giants in the room before it that are hellbent on fucking up your summons.
Yes. It was the only good multi-boss fight in the series, too.
is the pvp still active and where are the most people playing?
Is the level still 100-120?
>>330866117
The series is disgustingly bad at handling multi-enemy fights, and disgustingly bad at handling any form of ranged combat.
This fight in particular does both worse than anything else in the original DS.
Should stick to small packs of enemies, single bosses, melee only. Every other fight is always terrible.
>>330861628
only prob was that Ornesteins lunge attacks bugs when smough is infront of him. He stays in the back and then suddenly lunges forward. Problem here is that there is no time to react if he starts to bug behind smough.
But pretty fair overall. Just takes time
>>330866013
This
Solaire makes the boss fight a joke though.
>>330866117
>best multi-boss fight
>not throne watcher
shit taste
>>330866236
>its pretty fair
>except you get killed with no way of reacting
Dark Souls Fanbase: The Post.
>>330861628
It's good. Only hard if you want the Leo ring, since Ornstein will be more offten closer to you ant thus you have to go out of your way to not kill him first.
>>330866283
>throne watcher
>not dual pets
indian shit taste
>>330866396
>dual pets
>dat area before them
no
>>330865935
>Im a terrible player who cant lock on and off
>therefor this game sucks
No idea, beat them third try using the same tactic i used on every other boss. Roll and swing.
>>330866373
I like that super Ornstein can be killed the same way as Sif, by staying under his legs.
>>330866567
>this game is terrible and badly balanced
>"GIT GUD"
EVERY
SINGLE
FUCKING
TIME
>>330866448
area before thrones was just as bad. nothing but running for 10min.
>>330866283
>wactcher/defender
>remotely good
lol no, they manage to be even worse than others
What made O&S good is the fact that they're dramatically different enemies with different unique moves that complement one another. You have "big, slow heavy hitter" and "fast and nimble spearman with ranged abilities". It's a lot of fun watching them cover each others asses, and then learning how to use their weaknesses against them. Finally, when one dies, the other gains a unique power-up related to the other.
Most multi-bosses in the series (including Demon's Souls) suck shit because you're just fighting identical mobs, using identical moves. It makes them even easier to exploit, it's stupid as shit watching 2 "bosses" perform identical animations at the same time.
The Throneboys were even worse, because despite being "different" enemies, they fought in the same, uninspired style; they're just big knights, who halfway through the fight, enchant their weapon. Oh, and one of them does flips sometimes. It, and the following fight with Nashandra, perfectly illustrate the laziness of DaS2 as a whole.
>>330866283
>two guys with sword and shield
It's fucking atrocious, they're way too fucking similiar which causes them to either attack in tandem or right after one another, the rest of the time they have their fucking shields up. It's practically impossible to get hits in without trading or out-ranging the fuck out of them. Oh, and they also have to be killed back to back or else they'll fucking resurrect so you can't even focus fire.
>look at this thread
>itt people hopping on the latest bandwagon thinking it's cool to hate on one of the biggest highlights of DaS1
>and bad players
welcome to the newest low of /v/
>>330861628
>kiting
No, its absolute garbage.
>>330866236
If you've got a shield, you can just raise it and take no damage when he zips forward.
>>330861628
I've always felt the true Dark Souls starts at this boss. It's the first encounter I really felt my equipment and character was underleveled. As the game's own way of telling you to not take it lightly. It made me a better Souls player, having to be flexible with the lock-on mechanic and not be blocking constantly.
Great fight.
>>330866280
Yeah, this.
I had heard that it was a very hard fight, so I thought I'd get some help and summoned Solaire.
Killed them on the first attemp, and Solaire didn't even die.
I wish more bosses could be parried.
>>330867282
yes but thats not the point. its easy to dodge when you see him lunging and coming to you. Prob is when he gets stuck behind smough in the charge animation and you have no idea when he actaully comes.
>>330867171
>i wont argue, instead i will dismiss and insult
The eternal low of /v/.
>he killed Ornstein first
>>330861872
>Capra demon
is this bait?
you can even "cheat" this fight going upstairs
>>330867631
who even uses leo ring?
>>330861628
No, it's one of the worst fights in the series. The idea is great but the realization is piss poor.
I wonder how they felt after losing to some tiny ass nigga even with numerical and power advantage.
>>330861872
when will this meme end?
>>330867706
Who uses the gargoyle axe?
you still collect the shit even if you won't use it
>>330867875
I use gargoyle axe.
>>330866396
>>330866283
Both are cancer. The only good multi-boss fight is Skeleton Lords because they have reasonable health pools and a nice gimmick. Every other multi-boss fight is damage sponges with unfair gimmicks, terrible hitboxes and small windows of opportunity for attacks.
If DaS3 has those fucking Gargoyles again I'm going to be so pissed.
What does /v/ think of the Maneater fight from Demon's Souls? I honestly think it's one of the most unfair fights in the series considering that they're always fucking off into the sky and half the time you try to dodge their attacks it always seems to end up with you rolling off the edge
>>330868006
they suck because half of the fight they do nothing and bug out.
>>330866932
That fight was so fucking bullshit in the Company of Champion, I cheesed it by letting Watcher drop into the pit. The second time I summoned Bernhard and Vengarl so that was no problem.
>>330868006
I may be remembering this wrong, but wasn't it possible for them to jump off the edge as well? I think it happened during my fight against them. Saved me some hassle.
>>330868073
In DaS2, does summoning phantoms still make bosses stronger?
>>330866909
This
O&S are tough, but their differences, combined with having an appropriate arena, give you a lot of flexibility in how you approach
Not to mention the dual phase is short, because neither have much health (Ornstein's is pathetic), and you only have to kill one
The thrones have way too much health, boring movesets, a dumb arena, and you have to kill them close to the same time or they get back up
fucking stupid
>>330868131
They do but they just fly back up. It takes like 20 seconds though so there'll be parts of the battle where you're literally doing nothing while you wait for the bosses to show up again
>>330868185
Yeah
>>330868242
How do you feel about it?
>>330868283
It's good and should stay of course. They should improve the AI though, some summons are almost completely useless.
>>330868372
Thanks for sharing your opinion, man.
>>330868473
You're welcome.
>>330868210
Confirmed for boring moveset. Also artificial easiness. They always move slow as fuck until you get far away. They should always move at top pace. Also a ranged attack would be nice
Anyone else took a look at ds3 gameplay already? That tree boss looks amazing
>>330867939
why do you use the gargoyle axe
>>330867706
I killed Ornstein last for the armor mate
Perfect blend of fashion and function
>invading in Anor Londo with full Smough set and hammer
Fun times.
>>330866013
This. What's good about O&S is that they provoke the player to summon someone, which is one of the main points of the game.
And yet, this idea completely failed by making summons almost impossible with the two giants and the one archer there.
With a fast weapon it is.
With a slow weapon it's an exercise in self-torture.
>>330868006
Man Eaters would have been cool if it weren't broken as all fuck.
There's incredibly common AI bugs that effectively just despawn the bosses.
>>330870535
Just kill them.
it has some shit and it really fucked me over but on the other hand its one of the few genuinely hard bosses in the game, and the last boss before the game starts dropping in quality
>>330861628
Multiboss fights are shit.
>>330867941
>enter fog gate
>royal gargoyle vanguard shows up on screen
>>330867513
Leave the shield up until he arrives. Dodging works, but it's not as reliable as blocking for that situation.
>>330866691
At least you weren't being raped by unicorns.
Multiboss fights are great.
>>330867631
>not wanting man boob armour and the superslam hammer
>>330861628
No. Artorias is the best boss fight
>>330861872
>Capra demon was far, far harder
No
>>330867297
This exactly. I just beat them last night and this was my takeaway from that fight.
