>DMC4 is a great game with fundamental issues.
>DMC4:SE gets announced
>Oh cool maybe they'll adress some of the problems with-
>WE WANT TO PLAY AS LADY AND TRISH AND EVERY OTHER CHARACTER THAT EVER APPEARED IN THE SERIES.
>Itsuno actually fucking listens and understandably includes the most fucking tacked on and unbalanced characters ever because "OH SHIT GOTTA PANDER AFTER DmC!".
>Meanwhile the actual issues from vanilla are left completely untouched.
Sometimes I hate the DMC fanbase.
>>330757857
Fixing what is wrong with DMC4 would need to completely rework the game and that is obviously not happening
>WE WANT THE SECOND HALF OF THE GAME!
Yeah not gonna happen.
>>330758359
>Fixing what is wrong with DMC4 would need to completely rework the game and that is obviously not happening
Some new enemies along with Dante taking some different routes (like he does in the street in mission 17) to take down the hellgates would have gone a long way.
>>330757857
DMC as of 4 SEs are traditionally just added characters and extra features with minor tweaks, DmC's DE is the one that was an attempted rehaul.
Also the fanbase had very little influence over the matter, it came down to what Capcom would let Itsuno's team afford to do. Considering they cut DMC4 in half in the first place and were convinced to abandon it to another studio shortly after it's unlikely they'd go forward with admitting the mistake and fixing it completely.
Better to just let all the effort go into 5.
Capcom chose what was obviously most cheap to do it, fixing the game would require more money and effort than to add some new characters with reused animations.
>>330757857
>Meanwhile the actual issues from vanilla are left completely untouched.
you think they were actually going to redo half of the game?
dont be fucking dumb.
>>330758591
>>330758615
>Capcom chose what was obviously most cheap to do it, fixing the game would require more money and effort than to add some new characters with reused animations.
The thing is that they obviously blew some money on getting the VA's back and did cutscenes for all the new characters that added basically nothing to the actual game.
Yeah I get that it was on a limited budget but they still blew it on some stupid shit like that.
It is the Special Edition, not an entire overhaul that changes half the game
We've seen shit like this before in the genre
Ninja Gaiden -> Ninja Gaiden Black
Devil May Cry 3 -> Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition
>>330757857
What >>330758359 said, and it felt like a test of various control schemes to me. Vergil has a single ranged weapon and both triggers to swap melee weapons, Lady 's got the opposite, Trish has two different melee weapons always available via face buttons.
>>330758807
They only made 4 new cutscenes.
>>330757857
What was wrong with dmc4?
>>330758902
It's half a game.
>>330758807
Fanservice like that can pay for itself since it allows them to resell a retouched game from 2008.
Going all out would have been a financial leap of faith.
>>330758998
>Going all out would have been a financial leap of faith.
I'm not even talking about some HUGE overhaul here, but just adding some things that would have gone a long way instead of doing throwaway characters like Lady and Trish.
For example:
Give Dante a small new cutscene with an unique boss (like jester in DMC3:SE) just for him to make the second half slightly more bearable.
Give the bosses some modifications when you fight them as Dante so they get a bit more interesting.
Give Nero the Yamato as a legitmate weapon to switch to with R2 to make him a bit more fleshed out gameplay wise.
Have BP have unique waves for each character.
I honestly don't think improving DMC4 would have been that expensive if you're smart with how you do it. Just look at Ninja Gaiden 3:RE, technically the same framework with small alterations go a long way.
>"Time has come and so have I"
What did he mean by this, /v/?
>>330757857
You can't deny this game has the best combat mechanics in the series
>>330758941
And you genuinely think someone would make an entire half a game for a current gen port? You actually believe this?
>>330759530
That he'll laugh last cuz you came to die
>>330758902
>Extremely repetetive
>Same enemies no variety
>Only good part are the bosses
>And some of them are even recycled
>Fight agnus 2 times
>fight doktor 3 times
>Fight sanctus 4 times i believe but not positive
>>330758546
And it would have been a LOT of work.
Not gonna happen for a quick cash in with bonus content.
>>330758817
This.
OP is a retarded faggot.
>>330760065
>Fight agnus 2 times
I wish.
>>330759696
They should have made a full game in the first place.
>>330760219
You fight him once as nero
and then a second time in the roll the dice game as nero.
>>330760065
but all the other dmcs have you fighting bosses multiple times. the only thing I really dislike about the series.
>>330760904
>Fight bosses multiple times
I only remember fighting vergil 3 times and fighting that horse guy 2 times.
>>330760989
And virgil was different and stronger every time. Fuck he was such an amazing boss.
>>330761023
>First time you fight him he just teleports and uses yamato
>Second time he uses beowulf and yamato with teleporting
>third time he uses the sword that i forgot the name of and the yamato along with a ton of those flying blue swords and DT shield shit
>DmC:DE has Must Style mode and Disabled BP timer.
>DMC4:SE doesn't despite them being retardedly simple but great features.
Why.
I was excited for this release but was pretty dissapointed with it. Should have added a lot more stuff to it, even DmC: DE got heaps of good content that DMC4 could have benefited from.
>>330761287
Such as? DOn't really remember.
>>330761136
The sword is Force edge I think.
I really wish they made an option for bloody palace to have randomized enemies each time. Getting through the same enemies again and again only to die at one particular floor is really boring after a while and it discourages me from trying again knowing I'll have to fight the same boring sfuff again.
>>330757857
It has nothing to do with DMC fanbase. Budget for 4SE was just tiny and only enough to do Vergil and even he uses a lot of assets from DMC3. Lady and Trish also made almost entirely from already existing animations (some from Sengoku Basara) and more like bonus characters.
I'd love to see proper DMC4 with fun weapons and more moves, more bosses, etc but Capcom just didn't want to spend money on it. It's only Capcom to blame.
>>330757857
You could play as Trish in DMC2 (even though she was basically a reskinned Dante). It's not like this is the first time there's been more characters to play as. Also Vergil in 4:SE was fucking amazing to play as, favorite character by far.
The problem with DMC4 is that it had a lot of promise but was basically unfinished, I mean the game literally loops backwards after you beat 1st Sanctus. Adding more characters is fine (although playing as Lady is a nightmare), but the DMC franchise in general is getting stale. It needs something to revitalize it whilst keeping the same characters everybody loves (i.e. NOT DmC), which is almost an impossible task at this point.
What would you have Capcom do?
>>330761287
Because DmC was so shit that just trying to bring it to a level of a typical DMC game required that much changes.
>>330761224
>Disabled BP timer.
How nice.
I don't like rushing fights, 90% of my BP losses are timed.
>>330761314
Must style mode and Gods Must Die mode are both modes that sound really good and what DMC4:SE could of had.
Seriously, 4SE was more than I expected. I genuinely only expected Vergil. And it was fairly priced.
>>330761601
My bad, I misread that as DMC3SE
Why is /v/ being so fucking entitled lately?
>>330761801
>lately
>>330761557
Unpopular opinion but I think DMC1 was perfect.
Dante Must Die mode was a great difficulty
The atmosphere is great
The enemy design is god tier and Dante's personality is the best in that game too maybe they should go back to DMC1 and take a look at why that game is so good.
4 had the Gothic architecture and the enemies were good but it didn't capture the same feeling as the first game.
But why DMC 4 is so infinished? Sony pushed it?
>>330762562
>Dante Must Die mode was a great difficulty
>The atmosphere is great
>The enemy design is god tier and Dante's personality is the best in that game too maybe they should go back to DMC1 and take a look at why that game is so good.
Yeah, pity the actual gameplay was shit.
>>330762715
>Sony
>>330762715
Yeah, Sony demanded the game they had no control over be shoved out the door and Capcom caved. They even rushed out the 360 version as well. Damn you, Sony.
>>330762829
4 controls like ass. 1 is more simplistic but holds up to this day.
>>330763306
>Triangle to jump
>Holds up to this day
kek
>>330763306
>4 controls like ass
>1 is more simplistic but holds up to this day.
Both of these statements are so retarded I can't even bring myself to shit on you.
>>330763503
Not him but if you think Dante controlled better in 4 than he did in Devil May Cry than you're retarded.
1 and 3 have the best Dante's control wise.
Calling DMC1 unplayable like you're implying is wrong on so many levels. Keep posting your smug anime girls from meme shows though.
>>330763665
Not him i'm >>330763463
and my point still stands, he also has actual weight in 4 and no triangle to jump.
>>330757857
You'll probably get meme'd to death but I agree with you.
>>330763882
>meme'd
ebic m9
>>330757857
Well there are many reasons of why that could not happen.
>Way easier to make new characters instead of actual levels, new bosses, etc
>DMC3:SE didn't include new level or story content aside from Vergil, so why would DMC4:SE
>It's an old ass game so why does it matter
At the end I'm just glad they didn't let the series just die with DmC.
>>330758817
There are a lot of differences from NG to NGB, next time get your facts right.
>>330763749
I LIKE HOW YOU KEEP IGNORING MY POSTS WITH GOOD REASONS AS TO WHY YOU'RE WRONG BUT YOU RESPOND TO THE BAIT, FUCK YOU
My main dissapointment with DMC4:SE Was that I was hoping for a bossfight against Nero or Vergil, even if it was just in bloody palace.
Vergil fights in 3 and Dante boss in 4 were the most fun bosses in the series.
>>330764142
What good reasons nigger?
You just went with
>Not him but if you think Dante controlled better in 4 than he did in Devil May Cry than you're retarded.
Which is a non argument.
I think they actually wanted to add more content to DMC3SE but DVD size didn't let them. So that argument is pointless.
>>330764173
Same disappointment I felt when I realized you could fight Super Agni or Super Rudra but you still couldn't fight various styles of Dante as Vergil in BP. Though I let it go since Doppelganger comes close enough, except for all the puzzle shit. So really it doesn't at all, never mind.
>>330764236
That's not what i said
i said "and my point still stands, he also has actual weight in 4 and no triangle to jump."
>>330764357
Oh you were replying to yourself, sorry.
>>330764424
I quoted the wrong post, i meant to quote >>330763665
because you're ignoring my facts for no reason.
>>330764343
Agni and Rudra made for a fantastic boss fight as well, definitely one of the best in the series.
I really like the way Lady plays
>>330764578
Fuck you
is the special edition worth getting?
>>330764710
What?
Im not being sarcastic
She hits nice and hard
>>330764745
Yes
>>330764745
Yes.
>>330764745
Maybe.
>>330764745
No.
>>330757857
Get fucked OP DMC4 SE was one of the best things capcom did.
You are a moron if you seriously expect a team of like 8 people is going to create whole new levels to stop back tracking.
Pretty syked for e3 now the mocap actors have done work for a trailer in the past week.
>>330764745
I dunno.
>>330764745
I guess
>>330764124
>There are a lot of differences from NG to NGB, next time get your facts right.
ยจ
This, if you actually want to defend DMC4:SE, then Black is a poor example because it adds new stuff like Mission mode but also gives tweaks the vanilla content for an overrall much better game.
>>330764745
Kinda.
>>330765334
New difficulty too.
>>330762715
It was the first multiplat DMC game running on a new engine and it was capcom's first game on the ps3 and 360.
Itsuno said that they had so much new stuff they had to figure out that we only ended up with half a game.
They've gotten used to the engine and all years later so I doubt DMC5 will take as long to make as 4 did while ending up unfinished
>>330766349
Also each PS4, Xbone and PC have similar architecture.
>>330766349
>capcom's first game on the ps3 and 360.
Lost Planet?
Dead Rising?
>>330766594
He said multiplat anon. Those two are 360 exclusives.
>>330759438
Nigga they didn't even have time to finish Lady. To do ANY of that would take a higher budget or for them to not do something they did. I'd much rather have a half finished Lady over a Yamato set for Nero or an extra boss.
>>330766594
Both 360.
LP1 was released over a year after 360.
>>330763665
Are you retarded? Dante is controlled best in dmc4 if you mastered all of his abilities including switching between his abilities like trickster and royal guard and such as well as his weapons you would literally be an unkilliable machine.
>>330766594
Those were exclusive and it was common knowledge among devs that the 360 was easy to program for while the ps3 was a pain in the ass for a good while.
It's why one of the ps4's main points for devs was that it was much easier to program games for
When has a rerelease (read:not full on remake) added substantial content to the already exsiting game?
>>330760989
You also fought that magma spider in the first game a bunch.
>>330760989
Nightmare throws bosses at you and you must fight bosses again in in one of the last levels of DMC3.
>>330768697
Magma spider 5 times (2 hallway chases are optional) griffin 3 times (after getting ifirit is optional) Nelo angelo 3 times nightmare 3 times (can make you refight previous boss) mundus 3 times. DMC always had the reptative boss gag this is a standard with the series.
