>Phoenix Down supposedly only wakes you up from a knocked out state
>Damages undead enemies
Explain???
Undead enemies die from healing and reviving because they have negative health and going from negative health to positive health is just like dying but backwards.
They're merely unpretending.
>supposedly
Supposed by whom?
>>330676453
People who say you couldn't phoenix down aerith
>>330676140
But that would mean hitting them heals them
>>330676679
No because damage is applied in a multiplicative manner while healing is additive.
>>330676679
Not that guy but the whole "healing hurts undead shit" comes from DnD. In DnD there are things like positive energy plane and negative energy plane. All healing spells draw power from positive energy plane while undead draw power from negative energy plane, the same plane also powers all "kill" or "hurt" spells. That's why "hurt" spells heal undead, while healing spells hurt them. Normal damage acts normally because it just effect their bodies, it doesn't give them any energy.
>>330675974
You know the
>Wake me up
>CAN'T WAKE UP
skeleton?
It wakes him up.
>>330676561
Why didn't Cecil just use a gold needle on Palom and Polom?
>>330677189
I don't know if it was in the original but DS remake clarifies that esuna and gold needle doesn't work on people who turned to stone voluntarily.
>>330676163
>>330677152
Final Fantasy takes the whole healing harms and reviving instantly kills undead but all other damage still acts normally to them.
>>330677275
Why didn't Cloud use a Soft on Red XIII's dad?
When will you faggots learn to differentiate between narrative and gameplay?
>why didn't they revive aerithu-chan?
because the plot demanded that she died. period.
>>330677350
>reviving instantly kills undead
I remember, at least in some early ones, the life spell just did major damage not outright destroy them.
>>330677413
>When will you faggots learn to differentiate between absolute garbage narrative and gameplay?
Fixed for you.
>>330677413
I mean, you could also ask why Seymour doesn't die when you use a phoenix down on him when he fights with you against sin spawn.
>>330677497
The only thing you added was your worthless opinion.
>>330677413
The writers have failed if gameplay and story contradict each other. They should be in sync, story and gameplay should drive each other.
>>330677615
Plotholes are not opinions, dummy.
>>330677631
Nice fedora.
>>330677350
Yes, because normal damage just hurts their physical bodies, it doesn't transfer any energy to them. The whole "hurt heals" applies only to spells powered by negative energy like cause minor wounds Spells like fireball, thunder etc. work normally.
>>330677729
>Thinking that story shouldn't lazily completely disregard the GAMEPLAY of the video GAME is a fedora opinion.
I've know it for years now, but /v/ has been truly lost to idiot casuals.
>>330676679
use flash on any undead enemy in ff7
it says "recovery"
>>330677992
>every game has to be the exact same
Fuck off and stop playing videogames.
>>330678117
Do you even understand English?
final fantasy is garbage.
there.
>>330678117
...how the fuck did you get that from my post? What?
Why did Cloud do it? Why didn't Tifa stop him?
>>330678967
Sephiroth's sword does like 9999 damage if it gets you, nobody could survive that. Which begs the question why didn't he just use this form when fighting you at the end of the game instead of using that pathetic spellcasting form.
>>330678967
that post was written by someone who has no idea what they're talking about...
>>330677350
>>Final Fantasy takes the whole healing harms and reviving instantly kills undead but all other damage still acts normally to them.
They're usually also immune to the Death spell
>>330677413
Found the person who legitimately enjoyed Bioshock 3's story. I bet you also Doctor Who, and hand wavy explanations, don't you?
>>330679346
BUT HEY
>FFIV
Tellah uses his own life force to cast Meteo
>FFV
Galluf gets nuked so hard it goes into minus thousands
>FFVII
Aeris get stabbed
>>330679708
You should stop projecting, anon. I never played any Bioshock and don't give a flying fuck about dr who cares. But good to know you had a strawman at the ready for occasions such as this.
>>330676679
nope. Hitting them is physical damage. Heal is magic damage and because priests fight undead well. and mage attack spells work just because.
Why did we get a Final Fantasy past the first one?
>>330680370
excuse me, you autist? what kinda fucking question even is that?
>boy, I SURE HATE SQUARE FOR RELEASING MORE FF GAMES. >:[
>>330677412
Because that cliff was huge as fuck, just try and climb it.
Why didn't Barret just drink a potion when he lost his arm LOL?
>>330680527
seem perfectly appropriate for this thread to me
it's a FF trope thread, and "releasing more despite being the FINAL fantasy" is one of those
>>330677615
He's not dead yet. You kill him at Macalania.
>>330680120
>because the plot demanded that she died. period.
Not only does this statement show you enjoy poorly written stories with plotholes, it also proves you are intellectually lazy.
>>330680923
>it also proves you are intellectually lazy
harsh words from someone who cares about writing in games.
>>330678967
>you can totally survive a thick gut wound famm
>>330680823
>taking titles literally
this is some awful fedora tier bullshit. pls stop.
besides, it's called Final Fantasy because Square was on the verge of bankruptcy and that game was the last thing they wanted to pull off before having to close down the studio.
>>330681130
>taking memes seriously
plz stop
I always wonder why people nitpick FF7 (even it is ironic at this point) when people died in 2, 4, 5 and 6 as well.
>>330681443
Because they haven't played any of them, but they know some tidbits of 7 because of its popularity.
>>330681112
And caring about writing in games, particularly in story driven games such Final Fantasy VII is bad because...?
>>330681443
The same reason they hyp Aerith death in the first place
>>330681443
because no one on this board (except me) is old enough to have played those
that aside, it was hard to care for guest characters, and old men dying
>>330681660
I think you misunderstood my post. Which is funny, considering you called yourself an intellectual for caring about writing in videogames.
>>330681882
It was real fucking easy to care when 4 gave you a shit party for almost the entire game and then takes away the only reliable healer/caster you have. Oh boy, the next area and dungeon has monsters strong to basic attacks and won't let you use weapons? WHOOPS
>>330681882
>FF2 had so many guest characters die that in the remake they formed their own party to fight the last boss in the afterlife
>>330682250
his MP was shit, who cares
>>330682402
I'm talking about P/P dying then the game leaving you with the worst fucking character in the game. No MP, no spell damage/healing, no special abilities. In order to do real damage/healing you have to caste higher level spells, but you can only get 3-4 off before you're completely done.
>>330682608
except they didn't die
we're talking about characters that died and stay dead
they just left your party and are fine in the ending
>>330677350
Not true in Final Fantasy IV.
In FFIV, Cecil's last weapon he gets as a Dark Knight is super powerful and absorbs the health of your opponents, restoring your own life. A vampire sword that most likely deals negative energy damage.
The vampire sword restores health to undead enemies when you fight them. Which is a huge pain in the ass, because the last boss you fight as Dark Knight Cecil is a lord of the undead, and is undead himself.
>>330682703
>all those death scenes in 4
>they were actually fine all along for most and it was just an excuse to make them leave your party
almost made me forget that some did die, was hard to take anything seriously by the end
>>330675974
Healing items and spells are a unique form of magic. This unique form of magic harms ghosts and undead beings as opposed to healing them like it would for most things. Best way to describe it is like fire elemental magic, it hurts plants monsters but has no effect on fire elementals. Cure is its own element
>>330681930
And you should reread my post. I haven't stated, nor implied being an intellectual or implied being intellectually superior. I was merely pointing out your simplemindedness. If you're implying playing vidya is a waste of time, then let just say, as a medium video games deserve to be critiqued and praised for their merits just like all other forms of media. As far as entertainment goes, it's not a waste of time as long as there was some satisfaction gained.
>>330683852
>I haven't stated, nor implied being an intellectual or implied being intellectually superior.
That is exactly what you did. You insinuated that I'm intellectually lazy because I overlook a rather minor contradiction in a plot, which implies that you see yourself as an intellectual for caring if a phoenix down would be able to revive a aerith or not (still hilarious to me).
>As far as entertainment goes, it's not a waste of time as long as there was some satisfaction gained.
Then why are you so bothered by this plot contradiction? You, as an intellectual, should know that writing a perfect story in a scope of a RPG is almost impossible. You might as well ask why people get sick in-universe or why people lose limbs when potions exist. The story in story-driven RPG serves as nothing more as an incentive to continue the gameplay challenges. So, if the story, despite its flaws, manages to entertain the player, what right do you have to call him intellectually lazy?
What it comes down to is a extremist black-white view that immediately condems the writing of something because of very minor flaws, which is childish at best.
>>330680713
lol'd
thank you sir
>>330681443
Because when Galuf died in FF5 his friends actually did try to use healing items and magic in him.
aerith is shit
>>330684829
Because, when it comes to games that are developed from the top-down, like many RPGs, the game mechanics should be consistent with the setting, but that's besides the point. Saying that peoplet should die, or certain events to happen when it doesn't make sense on the bases of logic, characterization, or setting. Yes, I do realize it's impossible to perfectly simulate reality on a video game, and some measures have to be abstract with those interpretations left up to the player. But making the conciouss effort to overlook the flaws and inconsistencies in narrative, prose, and plot structure IS intellectually lazy. I really hope you don't take this approach when it comes to literature, and movies.
>>330675974
It's because they[CAN'T WAKE UP]
