> Creates beloved franchise
> Sequel does everything right and better
> Suddenly and out of nowhere the gameplay is scrapped and replaced with new style that barely resembles the old
> Old fans hate
> New fans are made
> Fanbase becomes extremely divided
> Old style is never returned to
Looks like Nintendo's been taking notes from our old friends at Sega
>>329687604
I don't think sticker star has any fans. Outside of critics, I've only ever seen universal hate for it.
>>329687904
It's got a decent playstyle. The game has no true faults aside from "It's not the old paper mario".
Aside from maybe the lack of variety in NPCs.
>>329687604
> Creates beloved franchise
> Sequel does everything right and better
> Suddenly and out of nowhere the gameplay is scrapped and replaced with new style that barely resembles the old
where have i heard this before
Its clear that Nintendo doesnt want to keep two Mario RPG series running at the same time.
M&L is the main rpg now and Paper Mario is the experimental shit.
>>329687604
>Thinking franchise isn't dead since TTYD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58NRlLaOrDQ
Original PM or gtfo
>>329688219
Paper Mario was better than M&L imo
>>329689584
I disagree.
I also think that M&L deserves one console game at least.
>>329687604
I thought Splinter Cell
>>329689704
>Paper Mario is dead
>Mario and Luigi is trapped on handhelds
>There will never be a good console Mario RPG again
>>329687604
At least it's theirs, they're raping their own child.
How do you think Fallout fans feel?
> ttyd
>better than 64
>>329688076
It really doesn't. The core gameplay is flawed. You don't have to battle anyone ever if you already have coins.
>>329687604
If you're talking about Super Paper Mario- Fuck you, it was great in its own right.
If you're talking about Sticker Star- Yeah...
>>329687604
Thanks for describing what happens to basically every vidya franchise over 5 years in age as if it's an isolated event
>>329687604
>new fans
>sticker star
pls, sticker star sold well, only because it was on an extremely dead console at the time (3ds on release) with extremely limited games.
People did not like the change from TTYD to SPM, due to it not being a turn based RPG anymore. Fans saw turn based combat returning and bought the shit outa sticker star on a starved platform...
Go look at sticker star reviews they are all shit. It is universally hated.
>>329690741
I don't get this either. The original Paper Mario had far less backtracking and didn't contain retarded shit like pic related.
>>329687604
And capcom.
>>329693113
>and didn't contain retarded shit like pic related.
It was IS's attempt at "humor". SPM kind of continues it with stuff like the Hamster Wheel and other stuff like that.
>>329690741
The core gameplay was expanded upon, more badges, more moves, more partner involvement, etc
I have to give the general atmosphere to PM64 though, honestly the comfiest game I can think of and I could replay it a million times
>>329692190
super paper mario was actually good, nice story and the gameplay is similar to clasic mario games. Sadly is not what i expected from previous paper mario games, but at least aceptable. The new games are just shit
We just want partners, the regular items, great story, numerous npc and good designs. Just like the one from n64 and gc
>>329693430
>Paper Mario kept including more ironically shit segments until it became outright shit
There's a lesson to be learned here.
>>329693113
>not roaring in laughter when the counter appears
>>329687604
Just give up on nintendo they will never be good again and will always for eternity go for the casual audience even if it isnt here anymore.
Just buy a pc, xbox, playstation and play south park stick of truth and the sequel.
I mean, it sure as hell has to mean something if even fucking ubisoft makes better paper mario style games than nintendo
>>329694046
It really wasnt Ubisoft though.
>>329694046
this guy gets it
Nintendo doesn't want to make games anymore, they want to amiibos
if amiibos are not something you give a fuck about, move on and realize Nintendo is for the kiddies
>>329693113
Id call you a retard but id feel bad. you really are one. autists have a hard time understanding what humor is.
>>329693113
>The original Paper Mario had far less backtracking
who gives a shit? backtracking is only a problem in already bad games
"oh no, I have to use this fun combat system some more because the game is asking me to backtrack". Seriously?
the first game doesn't has way less backtracking because it has way less game, period and has to waste your fucking time constantly with a way slower text crawl, way longer loading times, and literally every animation in combat taking way longer to get through.
both games are kind of hallway simulators because of the 2D thing but the first game has way less puzzles/mobility options to shake up the hallways and way way more boring combat
>>329694260
Nintendo is becoming completely for kids now and losing the grip they had on their older fans. Really I only think they plan on targeting the older audience once and for all with the pokemon 20 year bs. Then they will not gaf about any old project they worked on.
>>329694297
DMC4
>>329689487
>Creepy Steeple not being one of the best
Fag video made by a fag and posted by a fag.
>>329689584
I think M&L and Paper Mario have very diffferent qualities to the point where they are difficult to even compare.
The main draw of M&L is that if you're good at the game you can avoid all damage. There is some focus on world building and the antics between the Mario Bros, but it's very minimal. It does have some neato puzzles, I'll give it that.
Paper Mario's approach is a lot more mathematical in it's combat. The numbers are simple and easy to read giving you a chance to plan your approach. Plan well and you win, keep making poor decisions and you lose. I also feel that the world building was a lot better in the first three games than all of the M&L games sans Superstar Saga. Rougeport and the Beanbean kingdom really seems like places to live in the universe and all the characters there make up a very memorable experience IMO.
>>329694260
I'm not moving to shit. I'm literally never touching video games again.
>>329690927
By that logic you don't have to battle anyone in the other games if you're already well leveled.
>>329694504
there's a big difference between 20 minutes of walking up and down the spooky woods and playing the exact same game a second time but backwards and intentionally made even more annoying
>>329695119
>The main draw of M&L is that if you're good at the game you can avoid all damage.
except for the shitty first game you can do this in every paper mario too
>>329689487
The only complaint was the backtracking. Everything else was perfect.
>>329687604
I want a new 3D Mario. I don't care about spinoff shit. Fuck you fags for asking for that so they waste time on it.
>>329696506
3D Mario and the RPG games are made by different teams.
>>329695725
moving on from vidya is still moving on
>>329688076
Oh fuck off
>>329687604
>Paper Mario is dead
>FE is now a waifu dating sim
>Metroid is dead
>Zelda is dead
Is Pokémon the only Nintendo franchise that hasn't been ruined yet?
>>329696923
Kirby and Pikmin aren't dead or butchered yet.
>>329687904
I have seen people saying they "didn't mind it" or "thought it was good" bitching about people bitching about Color Trash.
They also happened to be under the age of 16 and have never shown any signs of having played a Paper Mario game besides Sticker Star.
That's Nintendo's audience now. These are the people who lap up the games regardless of quality then whine that people are whining for legitimate reasons.
>>329696923
Gen 6 sucked for pokemon
Xeno is still great
Handholding killed zelda
Kirby is kirby, good but never great or bad
DK is great
3d mario games are great
>>329696993
theres also Donkey Kong
which are outsourced out of house
Nintendo should fuck off, have all the 2nd parties move on to better publishers
>>329696923
pokemon has always been shit, so you can't ruin it.
Sticker Star was bad, but not all bad. We got the Toad chilling in his little Oasis in the desert, we got Snifit or Whiffit, and more. So long as this game has plot (which SS didn't have), purposeful combat (only boss fights in SS), and interesting filler (Snifit or Whiffit, etc) then it'll be good.It won't have any of those and it will be shit.
>>329693019
He means Super paper mario
>>329697241
>have all the 2nd parties move on to better publishers
They all should desu. Of course they wouldn't take the IP with them and they'd likely to become irrelevant like every dev the moment Nintendo stopped breathing down their necks. I mean, which Nip studio doesn't want the opportunity to take over Pokemon or Fire Emblem at this point.
>>329696923
The only reason pokemon hasn't been ruined is because they've been remaking the same game for 20 years
>>329694297
>fun combat system
>>329695857
>except for the shitty first game y
FUCK YOU
casual faggot
>>329694297
>>329695857
TTYD fags are ALWAYS, ALWAYS so mad when someone prefers 64. notice how 64 fans are really chill, and TTYD fags sperg out because they can't handle the idea that someone has a different opinion.
>>329700062
Its the gamecube generation in general.
Gamecube babbies are the most obnoxious queers.
>>329695745
You have to battle to get well leveled
Super Paper Mario is one of the most terribly boring games ive ever played in my life. And the worst part is, it acknowledges how tedious it is, it takes PRIDE in making you type out the word "please" to a caveman 10 fucking times. It REVELS in making you fight a series of 50 enemies that all die in one hit. It takes DELIGHT in making you collect Rubees. It's the only game I've ever played that actually felt smug.
>>329701291
>And the worst part is, it acknowledges how tedious it is, it takes PRIDE in making you type out the word "please" to a caveman 10 fucking times. It REVELS in making you fight a series of 50 enemies that all die in one hit. It takes DELIGHT in making you collect Rubees
I think IS were trying to go for some weird ironic humor like how in TTYD had some of those moments.
>>329701881
But that's the entire fucking game. it's baffling to me how anyone could extrapolate any kind of entertainment value from super. How can a fucking platformer be more boring and less engaging than a fucking Turn based RPG?
I miss when Paper Mario didn't shove the whole paper aspect in your face.
>>329701291
I had to force myself to finish Super Paper Mario. Didn't help that some of the NPC's looked like South Park characters.
>>329702361
Blame TTYD and its boat, airplane, side turn, and roll. Rather than treating the characters separately from the aesthetic, that's where the self-referential and 4th wall shit starts.
>>329702885
>I'm not your partner buddy!
