When it comes to Touhou, should I start with the PC-98 games or the Windows games?
Touhou 6 - EoSD. It's the first windows game.
The canonicity of the PC-98 games is still dubious at best.
Unless you dont care about that, then I guess starting at Touhou 2 and trying the Windows game if it doesnt strike well with you couldnt hurt.
>>329521721
Windows.Man, you just won't give up, will you.
>>329522254
Give up on what?
>>329521721
Do what you want, but Windows is more accessible.
>>329521721
windows
embodiment of scarlet devil's all you need to play to figure out you hate bullet hell games
all the best memes came out of eosd anyway
>>329522935
Please don't act like a faggot, even ironically.
>>329522528
Nevermind that, got the wrong person.
Back to your question, Windows it is. I suggest starting with either the sixth game, Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, or the seventh game, Perfect Cherry Blossom. EoSD is basically the most pure Touhou experience as it is simply danmaku dodging, with none of the gimmicks that later installments have. Meanwhile, PCB is by far the easiest Touhou game and serves as a good way to ease in.
So it's up to you, really.
>>329523206
the only faggots are the touhou fanboys
when your subculture gets to the point where people start remixing the game's background music with scenes from softcore japanese porno, you've reached a whole separate level of unironic faggotry
>>329523316
Thanksalso I think I know who you're talking about, some guy keeps making touhou threads that keep getting deleted right?
>>329523316
>EoSD
Harder to get into without hitbox patch.
>PCB
>easiest
May be true, but game is NOT easy.
I'd recommend 10 or 11.
>>329524196
>hitbox patch.
go on
>>329523839More like the ones that DON'T get deleted and just keep falling off the catalog. I get he wants to talk about Touhou, but damn, this is like the sixth Touhou thread we have today.
>>329524196
>he needs the hitbox patch to play EoSD
fkken scrub
>May be true, but game is NOT easy.
Never said it was. But it IS the easiest, and if he has problems with it then that should give him a good idea of how hard the series is in general.
>I'd recommend 10 or 11.
SA is hard as shit, what are you doing?
And MoF, while also easy, is not something I'd recommend to a newcomer because of the stupid-ass power-bomb thing that's going to have to un-learn to be able to play the games that don't have it - which happen to be the majority.
>>329524406
In EoSD you don't see your character's hitbox. Can be really hard, if you are new to the series. But if you install the patch, you are a casual.
>>329524781
sounds like a lose-lose situation
>>329524920
Just overpower it. Took me 3 months to 1cc this game, but, damn, it was so satsifying.
>>329524781
how does it make me a casual to add in something every game after this has?
You can start on >>>/jp/
Play them in order starting with Touhou 6.
I suggest you to go back to the PC-98 games after you clear touhou 10 or 12.
Casuals will tell you that EoSD is 2hard4you because you can't see your hitbox but the ideology for EoSD is more about reacting quick at the patterns instead of precise micrododging, kind of like a classic shmup.
>>329521721
Start with either Touhou 2 (it'll prepare you for the rest of the games as it probably has the hardest controls of all of them) or 6, if you're not willing to go through the hell that is Evil Eye Sigma, though you'll miss some things like Marisa's backstory and how Reimu knows Yuuka (as well as Yuuka's origins).
1 has hardly anything to do with anything and can be skipped.
>>329526980
>though you'll miss some things like Marisa's backstory and how Reimu knows Yuuka (as well as Yuuka's origins).
wow, so he's gonna miss non-canon shit and irrelevant shit!????
what a fucking loss
>>329527114
>PC-98
Why don't you go back to /jp/, you dirty secondary. ZUN's current word is that anything not contradicted by current canon (read: nothing at the moment) is canon itself.
>>329526980
>Start with touhou 2
Don't do this. This is a game that you'll appreciate much more after you get a few 1ccs.
>>329521721
Windows, the PC98 games are a separate canon and they're kind of visually hard to play. They don't really have any appeal until you're already into the series.
Start with 6, and get the vpatch for it
>>329527220
>ZUN's current word is that anything not contradicted by current canon (read: nothing at the moment) is canon itself.
Source?
>>329527220
>you dirty secondary.
Oh, fuck off. I bet you don't even have two Normal 1ccs, much less any of the shit I have.
And you know damn well what I meant by that. You're talking as if Marisa's backstory and Yuuka's whatever were stuff that mustn't be missed when in fact they are both hardly relevant to anything.
>>329527323
>They don't really have any appeal until you're already into the series
>implying
Touhou 4 and 5 are excellent, they are even better than some of the main windows games.
>>329527509
>Lotus Land Story
>better than ANY of the mainline gamesMystic Square is pretty good, though, I agree.
>>329527509
>Touhou 4 and 5 are excellent
Once you're already into the series.
I never said they're bad, mystic square is one of my favorites but if it was my first touhou game I wouldn't have given a fuck about it.
There's absolutely no reason to start on the PC98s.
>>329521721
Neither.
Touhou 2-5 is focus-less hardly-canon janky shit and Touhou 6 is filler that fixes the jankiness but lacks the hitboxes of later games, and the worst you'll miss from skipping it is who Sakuya is and Cirno's first appearance.
Touhou 7 is a good, proper introduction of the game that shows you all the important characters, has all the features of the modern games, and has a nice balance of difficulty.
>>329527907
>Touhou 2-5 is focus-less
Depending on what you mean by that, I might have to correct you while calling you a fucking faggot.
>that shows you all the important characters
Best joke I've heard this month.
>>329527220
Why are you PC-98 fags such elitists? It's bad enough with the primaries (most of which I doubt have ever actually spent a cent on the franchise), but then you have to go about preaching your obscure games that have been disowned by their creator and aren't even legally allowed to play.
>>329527709
>Lotus Land Story
>better than ANY of the mainline games
Yes, much better than some of them. It was the point where the fundations of the gameplay mechanics where done. Pattern wise it has a lot of variation, the shot types were balanced and the extra can be either easy or extremely hard depending of yoour style of play.
Musically it defined ZUN's style music from that point until touhou 9.
>>329527872
>if it was my first touhou game I wouldn't have given a fuck about it
That may as well be just you, i'm not saying that they are good entry points since they differ a lot from the main windows games in characters, and atmosphere. But saying that they don't have appeal as standalone games is really stupid.
>>329528192
It's like that with every long running series, just look at Persona or JoJo
>>329528267
>i'm not saying that they are good entry points
Weird, because that's exactly what the original point was.
Are you dense?
>>329528267
So you're telling me LLS is good, not because the game is good, but because it was Touhou's first for a lot of things?
That's like saying HRtP is the best Touhou game because it was the first. Absolutely retarded.
>>329526980
>PC-98's Story
The only parts of the PC-98 games that are relevant to the Windows games is the part of Touhou 2 where Marisa is introduced to Reimu as Mima's apprentice to explain how she learned magic and maybe Lotus Land Story if you count Yuuka's appearance (which itself can be excused as any other noodle incident without being named directly); the rest of it is just filler.
You can get that by reading the games' manuals; in fact, if you actually care about Touhou's story, the majority of it (like the /rest/ of Marisa's backstory explaining why she became a magician in the first place) is explained in the writing works. And from a gameplay perspective, the PC-98 games are a more primitive version of the Windows games and absolutely not suited for entry level.
>>329528523
No, i'm saying that LLS is good because it's good. The mechanics are good, the scoring system is good and so is the music, if i wanted to say something like what you are implying i would had say that SoEW is the best. You are the one making retarded implications.
>>329528403
I was talking about that specific part of your post ,but alright.The point i was trying to make with you ,as i said before, is that those games are great on their own.
>>329529069
>The point i was trying to make with you ,as i said before, is that those games are great on their own.
And if your purpose of playing them is to get into a series that they are not at all representative of, you aren't going to have any interest in them. Which was the original point.
Reading and comprehending basic context isn't hard
Touhou is a very mediocre game series, ehich gets by on its novelty
>>329529490
>ehich gets by on its novelty
Yeah, I'm sure it's the only thing ever that is populated by cute anime girls.
>>329529549
No I mean the bullet hell aspect of it, it's not actually fun by game standards, or by shmup standards
Especially if it isn't SA or IN
How did ZUN accidentally make a scoring system as good as PCB's.
>>329529741
I had fun while playing it.
Was that fake fun?
>>329531814
Of course.
Any non-anon-approved fun is fake fun. You were deluding yourself into thinking you were having fun because I say so.
Start with PCBor IN if you want to learn bad habits like me
>>329529831
I dunno, I love PCB but its scoring system never stood out to me. Although I can certainly understand the appeal.
My favorite scoring system isLoLK
Don't mind the people talking about plot and such. Touhou is not about plot, it's about gameplay and music. You arent missing anything important if you skip the dialogues (just like everyone else). You can later read them at the wiki anyway (not the wikia, that one sucks). Start with Touhou 6, you dont need a hitbox patch, you'll naturally get used to your hitbox (just like in every touhou game, even those thsr have hitboxes. When you go pro, you just stop looking at it).
Another piece of advice is to play the ones you like. Theres over 20 something touhou games. You dont like eosd? Play pcb. Prefer in? Or would you go for mof? Just have, playing one before the other wont change much again since the plot is entirely irrelevant.
Play the pc98 ones later if you're curious. Theyre good games.
>>329531814
You had fun the wrong way.
