Why was/is it called the greatest game of all time?
Casual appeal
>>329174039
Pretend gamers who think the 1 game they played through to the end is a masterpiece.
>>329174039
It's a very good game.
>>329174039
Journalist were Nintendo fanboys
>>329174039
It was the largest and most ambitious fully 3D game of its era
>Revolutionized combat in a 3D setting at a time where developers still didn't know how to work out things like targeting and focusing the camera on the enemy you're attacking
>Did a good job translating Zelda's gameplay and design philosophies into 3D compared to series' like Castlevania and Contra that totally botched them, or other series' like Mega Man that just controversially changed genres.
I don't even like Ocarina of Time that much but I can see why it was a huge deal. Compare 3D action adventure games before and after its release.
It was a landmark in 3D video game design. Most modern RPG's owe their combat and movement to the precedent that OoT set.
It also has a good story, lots of side-stuff, interesting dungeon design. Just a good RPG all round. It pales in comparison to the outrageous depth of modern RPGs like The Witcher and Dark Souls, and also the gameplay isn't as polished a them. But OoT is nearly 20 years old, and it was an expansive polished masterpiece in 1998.
>>329174039
it was, at the time, the greatest game of all time. who would have figured?
>>329174039
It was, in it's day, the greatest game of all time.
Particularly if you were young, and could relate to the story on that level.
It was ultimately a kids game, as was Majora's Mask.
...and a great kids game at that, it should be said. It did not coddle you like today's hugbox shite.
>>329175303
Lol what.
OoT handholds you hard as fuck for the first few hours. Same as games today.
I wouldn't call it a kids game, either. It appeals to all ages.
>>329174926
Pretty much a /thread. Moving on.
>>329175606
I've never understood why Zelda fans are so adamant about not calling them roleplaying games.
The 2D games and N64 games basically played like ARPGs with your character growth tied to items rather than experience points. Distinguishing ALttP as being completely different than something like Illusion of Gaia or Alundra is silly.
It's like throwing a fit about calling the Metroid Prime series a first person shooter because it places a heavier emphasis on exploring the environments than the combat. It's still rooted in that genre.
>>329176142
>The 2D games and N64 games basically played like ARPGs with your character growth tied to items rather than experience points.
By that logic, Metroid and Banjo-Kazooie are RPGs too.
Zelda is not an RPG, and for that matter, neither is Final Fantasy. It can't be an RPG when you don't create the character yourself.
>>329174039
It's a safe, uncontroversial answer even if it's not necessarily right.
>yfw OoT is actually the Citizen Kane of video games
>>329174039
nintoddlers will justify anything, even an overrated 30 y.o. game thtat has aged terrible
>>329177340
>30
>>329174039
Because it's the highest rated game evar!!!
Because at it's time it did a lot of new shit which impressed people.
If you try to compare it to modern games it's going to fall short but at it's time it was impressive
>>329174130
Basically this
and this
>>329174525
I remember every single fucking website gave it a 10/10. It was basically the only game with 10/10s across the board. Then faggot nintendo biased journalists were replaced with faggot xbox dicksucking journalists and it fairly got dropped from its 10/10 game of the millenium status.
>>329174039
It was great for its time but for some reason people still praise it and pretend it didn't age like milk
>>329174926
Yep.This guy nailed it.
Personally I think Majora's Mask is a better game. But its so different from other Zeldas.
>>329178718
This is why ratings mean very little to me. Not just because of OoT, but GTA V? 98? That game sucked. Undertale also had a 98 for a while. All 3 of these games are bad.
Ratings / reviews only matter if you find someone who has very similar taste to that of your own (not necessarily a """professional gaming journalist""", but perhaps a friend or something). Even then, you still won't find someone who has the exact same taste as you.
>>329179964
Didn't Undertale use to have a higher score than OoT for a while?
>>329180171
Yeah and people threw a big fit when a critic gave it a low critic score just to make sure that OoT stayed higher.
>>329174039
It laid a ton of groundwork for modern 3D games and was incredibly innovate. Almost all 3D games today can trace their roots to it and Mario 64,
It's a meme to call it the greatest game of all time, just like it's a meme to call Navi annoying and a meme to call the Water Temple hard.
>>329176382
>its not an rpg if you cant create a character yourself
This is a lie
>>329174926
This is why i never understood the comparisons between FFVII and Ocarina of Time.
There were lots of games that were being made in 3D but developers still had the mindset of a 2D game.
>>329174039
Basically defined how to do 3D action-adventuring right the same way Mario did for platforming when everybody else was just trying to do 2D-in-3D.
It is not only extremely well made and set the bar for most of the things it dabbled in, it is historically significant.
I really don't like when people say something like "Mario 1 is the best game of all time!" or "Ocarina of Time is the best game of all time!" You can tell they're just picking a non-controversial choice, they're trying to get points for picking a "classic", and they probably haven't played the other games in the series, or other similar games from different series. Or maybe they're just going by tradition, or possibly even pretending to prefer certain games.
For example - Yesterday in a thread, I said that Mario 1 had really flat, bland, boring level designs, the controls are stiff compared to the other Mario games, and the game can be beaten much more quickly than the other Mario games. All of these criticisms are true, yet of course, everybody flipped the fuck out about it, just as I knew they would when I made the post. If you've actually played more of the Mario games, you'd probably think 3 or World is the best. If you haven't played them, then why the fuck do you go around saying 1 is the best, and yelling at anyone who doesn't agree? Have you even beaten the fucking game? It probably seems like I'm digressing a lot from OoT, but the same concept applies to Zelda games, or any other series for that matter. Why do people feel the need to lie to themselves?
It's ok to just admit that you like Twilight Princess, or Majora's Mask, or whichever game you prefer. Those are perfectly valid positions. You don't have to feel bad about it for not preferring the fucking classic "masterpiece" that nobody is allowed to question. Odds are, if you've actually played and completed the entire series, you'd find that you like the combat, puzzles, story / characters, overworld, music, atmosphere, equipment, etc. better in one of the other 3D Zelda games. Not sure why traditionalists / purists have such trouble admitting this to themselves. Everybody else can easily detect when you're lying, so you're only fooling yourselves.
>it was good for its time
>it aged well / poorly
These are both fallacious concepts. Games do not age, they were either always good, or always bad. It's wishy washy to say that a game used to be good, but it "became bad" at a point in time.
>>329181645
What a faggot, all this text just because you are butthurt that OoT remains the best Zelda.
>>329182193
According to who? All the idiots who go around asserting its the best based on tradition, and they haven't even played (much less completed) the other games in the series?
Good one. Your argument is that a lot of stupid people disagree with me. That's great. That's awesome. Good for you.
>>329182025
That's not true, Jet Force Gemini was awesome, but became shit the moment somebody figured out twin-stick TPS controls.
>>329181645
OoT is my favorite game ever created you faggot. I love every Zelda except Spirit Tracks and Skyward Sword, though.
>>329182025
It isn't about age you fucking dip. Guess what, Pong was once the greatest game of all time because that's what we had. You can judge a game completely within it's historical context if you want, but that's ultimately pointless.
>>329182450
You literally have no way to prove what you said, you are just upset because people disagree with your opinion so you have to make reasons in your mind about you being "superior" to everyone else that likes what you dislike.
>>329182025
Do you understand, you little shit, that the concept of aging has more to do with perception of matter than matter itself? Yes, OoT was always a 7/10 max. It was important and it was new and it looked all slick and shiny. Critics were all over it for the most typical reasons - brand name and cool graphics. It did create a 3D adventure precedent, but it was handholdy, cardboardy and a bit empty on variety, while being choke full of useless shit like Golden Sculltulas. It was just a fucking blockbuster.
>>329182193
If OoT is the best Zelda that says a lot more about the series than about the game itself. It's a cheap line but it's perfectly true, it's no different than
>It was fucking downhill from OoT
>>329182716
>because that's what we had
And there you go. That's the problem with saying that games age. You're only comparing them to games that were out at the time. That means nothing in a modern setting, and it only confuses the conversation.
When I say I like an old game, I really mean that I like that game. When people like you say you like an old game, that could either mean that you actually like it, or it was just "good for its time", but clearly you don't still think it's good.
What does this statement "this game aged" mean to anyone, anyway? If someone said "is Mario 64 a good game", I would just say "yes it's a good game". But these people who think games can age might reply saying that it "aged". What does that mean? Does that mean it aged to the point of no longer being good? (at what arbitrary and completely fucking made up point in time did that happen exactly by the way?) Does that mean it aged a bit but it's still worth playing? Why not just say whether the game is good or not?
Saying a game "aged" doesn't really tell anyone anything. It's just a silly, weird thing to say.
>>329182809
Guess that's why you're attacking me for disagreeing with your opinion. So any reason you're getting so defensively? Certainly I couldn't have been describing you in my original post, even though there's literally no other reason in the world you'd respond in this way. I guess you'll just never get over people questioning your little tradition and having a different opinion than you.
>>329182716
more complex =/= better. if it's a good game with its available resources it's always a good game.
>>329183216
So, you're an autistic shitter who likes to tell other people what they have to think. Good to know.
But anon, that's not LTTP.
>>329183793
No, I get to the point and I tell people whether or not a game is good. You on the other hand are a fucking autistic retard, who has no actual rebuttal, and when someone asks if a game is good you say something like "Hmm, yes, it was good but it aged" which is a useless statement.
>>329179134
>I remember every single fucking website gave it a 10/10. It was basically the only game with 10/10s across the board.
you can't really overestimate just how much better it was than anything else at the time
>>329174926
/thread
Because you can't name a better game
>>329183793
Dude you're fuckin' dumb.
>>329183934
No, you idiot. While you operate in fucking maximas (it was always good / was always bad), I can assess the context of the game and say whether or not its actual qualities were the reason for its success/failure. Ben-Hur was considered a masterpiece, but its complete dogshit by modern movie standarts. Why? Because people considered different qualities of that exact piece back when it came out. If you do not understand that context is fucking important you're a retard. I do not spout "IT AGED LIKE MILKY SHIT KEKEKEKEKEK" all day, but I can say it did not age well, mostly because expectation of people changed over time. That's why being influential does not constitute being even moderately good. So shut the fuck up, you do not know shit about criticism and try to be a special snowflake by taking away a valid part of discussion.
>>329184467
I feel fucking #rekt. Don't forget to post to Reddit about your epic win.It's /v/. I do not come here to impress you with my intellect, kiddo
>>329183216
A game can "age" by having common design conventions of the time which were known to be the best solution having been replaced by a more modern convention which handles that aspect of the gameplay better.
For other games which revolutionize a genre (such as Ocarina of Time), having codified a lot of design conventions which later became common, iterative game design will have improved on the mechanics and concepts, meaning that while they may have been first, they are no longer best.
Ocarina of Time, being a revolutionary game for the time, is of the latter category. It has aged poorly because dozens of games released since then have improved on the various design concepts Ocarina of Time pioneered.
Ocarina of Time has some questionable puzzle designs (*cough* Water Temple/Shadow Temple *cough*), very very basic puzzles (look around, slingshot/arrow the eye not visible outside of aiming, door opens), Ruto escort mission, some fairly obtuse side quests, etc.
It was making a new genre. It didn't know what stuff would be especially frustrating bullshit and what stuff would be fun and engaging.
Thus, it has aged poorly by comparison to current design standards.
It's not a hard concept to grasp.
>>329174039
because nostalgia
>>329180924
You're just wrong. RPG stands for role playing game, i.e. a game where you construct and take on a role. Link is the same dude with the same skills no matter who plays him. I 8 your b8. I hope you're happy.
