Not going to lie,the game had me tearing up a few times.
Was a great game. Not 10/10 or anything. I didn’t really notice reddit bullshit like /v/ said there was sans 1 or 2 times.
>>325047034
You faggots are basicly the barney fags of vidya's.
>>325047034
>/v/ forms retarded opinions about everything, inserts reddit/tumblr boogeymen into anything, and automatically hates anything even remotely popular
This shouldn't be news to you
Undertale is a great game
Sorry, the opinions of a furfaggot are essentially meaningless. Fuck off, and take your shit game with you.
>>325047631
I dont get this meme. It's not like MLP where it's supposed to appeal to children. undertale deals with a lot of adult themes. if you mean like dogfuckery nonsense then yeah i guess, but the game even chides you for it as a joke
>>325047765
Most of the anons here are fags anyway so I don't listen to them often.
>>325048221
Barney fags say the same thing. "ITS NOT MEANT FOR KIDS ITS MEANT FOR EVERYONE GASH!" Its a parody on earthbound that is it. Its an okay game i'd go as far to say good but its not the fucking second coming.
>>325048521
As an indie game it's fantastic. But I wouldn't put it in the same tier as a fucking console game. Who does that?!
>>325048676
>Who does that?!
everyone here
run while you still can
>>325048718
Why??
>>325047034
You enjoyed a game. Good. That's what games are for, and don't let this website tell you otherwise.
>>325048676
I can't count how many indie games blow this fucking game out of the water.
>>325049180
Like?
>>325049180
Like what? I honestly need more quality indie games. This one did everything I liked quite well
>>325049235
cave story, super meat boy, terraria, ronin, broforce, Hotline miami, freedom planet, westardo, King arthurs gold, just to name a few.
>>325049494
Those games rely heavily on retro shit
>>325049494
Why put terraria and SMB against a game that's main gimmick is fun dialogue? Those are just great gameplay
OFF, Cave Story, HM are some good examples.
>>325049664
To be fair undertale is using "older" type graphics. Retro is stretching it.
>>325049664
>undertale doesn't
>implying
>>325049738
>these indie games still blow undertale out of the water
>the dialogue is the gameplay in undertale
Not even that guy but come on you two.
Other good indies that are better than Undertale
>LISA: The First, LISA: The Painful, LISA: The Joyful
>Crypt of the Necrodancer
>The Desolate Hope
>Binding of Isaac (can't remember if it still counts)
>>325049664
The irony
>>325049738
I was mostly naming a few indie games on the top of my head that are better then undermeme. Honestly i don't hate this game just find it kind of shallow and obviously way too story focus with really shitty shump/rpg elements. If the game had focused and put more depth and actual mechanics in the actual mechanics of the game I'd find it a lot more enjoyable. Hell I'd be on the "SUCH GOOD GAYM" bandwagon.
I can't say I teared up at any point but I did have feelings and when that option came to go with Toriel or not my heart told me to go with her. Felt bad enough to not want to do the genocide route immediately but after I woke up the next morning I didn't care anymore.
Best paper Mario game in years.
Seriously though it's a fun little puzzle adventure game with light bullet hell elements. I wouldn't call it an rpg when the game discourages you from attacking anything. Biggest criticism is that the game subverts a lot of tropes but doesn't really purpose any alternative. Best example of that is when you go to a store, try to sell stuff and the owner thinks your nuts. It's true, in skyrim when you sell 8,000 dirty rags taken from dead bandits it's a bit silly, but it's there because not being able to sell stuff it's annoying. So, undertale is a bit annoying, but it's hour hard enough to be frustrating. Overall it's pretty comfy and enjoyable, but not 10/10.
>>325049972
this guy
>>325049972
>LISA: The First
>better then Undertale
surely you must be jestin
Why is shotagoat so fucking adorable in every goddamned picture?
>>325047034
Fuck off, queer.
>>325047765
>>325048221
To be fair, /v/ was seemingly really harsh about Undertale because Tumblr was. Tumblr took everything ten thousand times further, like the whole gender identity thing with Frisk. /v/ hates Tumblr, the rest is from there.
>>325050185
No, it was more:
>undertale demo released years ago
>/v/ loves it
>undertale released
>successful, hugely popular
>/v/ hates it
>>325047034
The general accepted opinion on /v/ is that Undertale is a good game, especially when 90% of the bad threads about it are shitposts made for replies.
>>325049972
Just saying indie doesn't mean a hell of a lot anymore. I more mean if you give a list of indie games, you might as well limit it down to what the game does best, which is dialogue and progression.
The fact that the dialogue is different depending on your actions even if you do a true reset of the game is kinda cool, especially if you do a genocide, you can delete the game and reinstall it, but you can't escape the consequences. The meta humor and other nuances as well.
Identifying its dialogue and meta analysis as its strong point doesn't mean it replaces gameplay. Thats like saying isaac is a shit game because it didn't have a compelling story.
>>325050108
At least I can move places of my own volition rather than be shunted into linear areas by Toby. I'd pay 3$ to buy Undertale as a kid's picture book, not 9.99$ as a 'game'.
What pisses me off most though is that LISA and Undertale were both on sale in the same winter sale I bought them on.
>Undertale: 7.99
>LISA: like 2$
100% outrageous
>>325050412
I do agree that it should have been much cheaper for what it is. I spent roughly 10 hours doing all 3 runs, and while I think it was worth every penny, not lowering it by much even on a steam sale seems a bit conceited.
>>325050306
toby expected this
>>325050412
nigger I wasn't talking about LISA the painful/joyful.
The first is a genuine shit yume nikki ripoff
>>325050396
If we're comparing Undertale to games that do dialogue and progression and story better, whilst maintaining 'indie' as a genre
>OFF
>LISA, LISA: The Painful, LISA: The Joyful
>Hotline Miami
etc. etc. Fact of the matter is that Undertale would've done better than the 6.99/10 rating I gave it if it was produced as an anime movie on a VHS tape in the 80s/90s
It appeals a shit ton to kids while donning the guise of being universally teachable.
You guys are the absolute worst. Why does everyone only laud Undertale for the story/characters?
The real meat of the game is in the varied and fun gameplay. Every enemy having different patterns and different solutions as how to beat them.
I didn't like the autistic story but i see the appeal in it for some people.
But boy the gameplay was the most "gamey-fun" I had in the last decade or so.
People like OP give the impression to people like this game is story based instead of having absolute excellent gameplay.
>>325050625
Nigger I wasn't talking about Painful or Joyful.
>>325050708
As a shmup it's pretty trash.
>>325050708
the shmup thing is fun, but I could easily get a game that specialized and prioritized that aspect for 9.99 or a little more.
Undertale is a real grab bag of 'JRPG jokes, SHMUPs, Dialogue, puzzles' etc etc.
>>325050647
Know what? I had enough of this Lisa circle jerk, fuck off with your shitty ass edgy as fuck game.
>>325050731
thought you were seeing as the first is free.
>>325047034
>there was sans 1 or 2 times
No you met Sans more than 2 times I'm pretty sure
>>325050306
/v/ loved it when it came out, but as soon as tumblr liked it too that's when it changed
>>325047034
Eh, it was a cute game that gave me unexpected feels at the end, I guess.
>>325050708
This pretty much. I enjoyed the hell out of checking enemies to see how I could ACT on them effectively, all while their attacks tell me more about themselves.
The bullet-hell was just icing on the cake. Then you have your heart changing colors to keep the game-play fresh with amazing music in the background.
>>325050803
I never understood peoples direct comparison to hardcore shmups, like, you dodge projectile attacks for some moves, that doesn't make it a touhou.
Each enemy had unique attacks that were based on their personality, even the boss fights were specifically done to show the bosses theme. Sans is a perfect example. His entire theme as a character is the knowledge of your ability to save, he is stuck in his own groundhog day, and you are the one in charge. His fight is the only one without RNG, completely based on your ability to memorize it. Die to him enough times and even he knows youll eventually know his next move and he'll die.
>>325050905
LISA is a good game, faggot. And sure, like Undertale you're supposed to be more focused on the story than gameplay.
But you know what?
Undertale's story is shit. Genocide route is typical edgy anime or some bullshit, neutral is literally just 'I want to go home: getting out of here, the game', and Pacifist is some Christian sunday morning cartoon levels of bullshit.
LISA, at least has real gameplay elements you can have fun with while exploring the areas, and it's not obnoxiously upbeat. Even people who like happy endings might have trouble pressing Z through textboxes.
What's the point of feeling good anyway? At least Widdily 2 Diddily knows we're all garbage and isn't acting like we cool.
>>325050905
>i've had enough of this lisa circle jerk
>undermemer
>>325051216
>>325051248
Get fucked Lisafags.
>>325051191
But there are shmups that do stuff like that, IIRC.
All Undertale does is copy a bunch of gameplay elements from successful games of varying genres and put them together. The result is mediocre.
>>325051191
You're talking about a shmup. As one it's trash.
>>325051216
"Christian sunday morning cartoon levels of bullshit"
You really think true lab revelation and the knowledge that across all the timelines, you can never save asrielor gasteris lighthearted. The boss fight really is a letdown though. "But it refused" was kind of cool in a cheesy way.
>>325050141
>>325051352
I have literally never seen a combat that was the same as undertale. What exactly did it copy?
>>325051325
I'll play a game that's difficult rather than a pussy ass 'preach' pretending to be a game under a 10$ price tag made by a guy who looks like the second coming of Napoleon Dynamite, IF you had a 100% urge at all times to want to clock ND in the face.
>>325051038
>/v/ hates undertale
You faggots do realise that
1. /v/ not a fucking hivemind
2. Your literally a member of /v/ and you like undertale and theres fucking tons of undertale appreciation threads every fucking day.
3. THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ON HERE LIKE THIS SHIT!
>>325051548
>no mercy
such a good game
Good to know /v/ has something to shitpost about for the next year. Maybe Zelda U and the NX will be spared.
>>325051505you're still here
>>325051562
>3. THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ON HERE LIKE THIS SHIT!
source?
>>325051532
A lot of the SHMUP elements and Undyne's genocide route song are basically references to Touhou and similar games.
>>325051325
Man how old are you? You know this is a 18+ site right? You fucking do realise that Lisa is only 1 of the games i have on the list but its the only one you can't seem to get over that I enjoy.
>>325051642Unfortunately, yes.
>>325051548
Who's looking for difficulty faggot, it's a simple RPG and faulting it for not being more when it's not trying to be is retarded.
Get fucked Lisa nerd.
>>325051352
>>325051393
Come on guys think outside the box. It has shmup elements. This doesn't automatically confine it to that genre And should not be judged as so.
Combining different game elements is good game design if implemented right (undertale did it right). It results in a varied and really fun experience that probably everyone can enjoy. Because even if you dislike a certain aspect it won't last long enough to be annoying.
The story and text are short enough to not annoy you even if you dislike the characters.
It's one of those game that is guaranteed to be liked by EVERYONE you give it to to try and play.
>>325051647
I wouldn't say the vocal group of /v/ could admit to liking undertale, but overall most places agree that it was a contender for GOTY.
The random encounters were annoying. The "fall through random holes in the floor until you find the safe path" gameplay was annoying. The story was kind cute but I didn't really care enough to finish it. I'll admit it's kind of sad how I have less patience than teenagers on tumblr, but whatever.
>>325047875
>Older children and adults with Autism Spectrum Disorder perform worse on tests of face and emotion recognition
There's your answer. The autismal sperglords who finished the game and said "that was it?" literally couldn't get it.
>>325051647
Look at this thread and fucking tell me how many underfags are in it defending this game for free.
>>325051737I miss the old threads
>>325051817
The ruins were the demo part for the game. I assume you didn't get past that part, but there are no other segments past that one hallway with that type of "puzzle"
>>325051647
Nigger are you kidding me? You see all those Undertale shitposting threads here everyday? Each one of them has nearly everyone defending the game.
Just remember this: Liking a game doesn't mean you think it's the best shit ever.
>>325051817
This is bait right? There are no random encounters. The amount of mobs there are in the game are a fixed number. And they are all unique.
But this is supposed to only be revieled later into the game.
>>325051756
>(undertale did it right
uuuh no it didn't. The space shooter element really does not fit with the type of game it is. It's very disconcerting and doesn't not synergize with anything in the game. Which is highly strange considering this came from a earthbound mod. So somewhere along the way, toby got lazy and decided to make this type of combat.
>>325049494
>cave story
almost as good
>super meat boy
lol no
>terraria
holy shit no
>ronin
?
>broforce
literally got bored of it after 10 minutes, it's "ok"
>hotline miami
nearly as good
>freedom planet
?
>westardo
not even in this discussion
>king arthurs gold
shit taste confirmed
>>325051869
>le too deep for you.
>>325051919
>underfags are in it defending this game for free.
are you telling me you can get paid to shitpost on /v/? where did you get such a job?
>>325051817
>>325051963
Also, there was a map for the floor right on the wall, you just had to put two and two together.
>>325052046
>>325050032
Exactly how I felt.
It was nice at first, but it has no lasting impact. I found everything about Asriel to be cringey, especially the boss fight at the end.
>>325051754
At least with the difficulty I'm paying attention through the game. Undertale in all routes was a fucking snooze fest, except Genocide had a couple check ins and Pacifist had that shit technicoloured ending.
LISA is a simple RPG and I don't fault it for not being more when it isn't trying, but the thing about THAT game is that it's good.
>>325051756
I know it's not a single shmup you fucking retarded nigger. I also make it a point that Undertale combines a shit ton of elements.
But you know what? Implementation failed, dialogue was shitty, and I always felt I was talking to the same fucking person: Toby motherfucking Fox-Fucker.
There's a 'negative reviews' tab on the page for Undertale, consider visiting it after you get done preaching to your baby games forum about Undertale.
>>325051786
>>325051990
so no source? ok then please don't try to argue you have the majority opinion then.
>>325052046
Don't be a baiter m8, I liked undertale but saying Cave Story is almost as good shouldn't even be something you say.
>>325051548
>not enjoying a game for what it is
do you even play videogames? and don't reply with "NO U" please
>>325051216
It's really the worst trend for indie developers. If your inspired by the classics then you should have a focus on exploration of a world map and gameplay. You can tell they are only inspired by barely 2 rpgs mother and Mario since no world map to explore. Either series game play is shallow at best. I'm just glad there's finally a faithful indie rpg looking promising on green light that'll put these lackluster rpgs to rest
I liked undertale but I don't find myself sympathizing with Asriel unless I force it.
Maybe cause I thought Flowy was far more charismatic than goat with demon wings and mascara.
>>325052000
There's a fixed number of mobs in the game but that doesn't mean they all appear in fixed locations, senpai desu.
>>325052000
>There are no random encounters.
Yes there are. They're how I grinded for money to pay for college.
On that note, fuck Hotlands. After Waterfall it becomes a pain in the ass to get any cash because it has such a low encounter rate.
the problem with Undertale is that doing a neutral run is unsatisfying as fuck, TheOmega Flowey boss was fucking great though
pacifist ending was good and the entire genocide run is fucking god tier
>>325052221
>Source
>On something you can literally just see by observation
Don't be a retard. If you don't think a majority of people accept this as a good game then you are just wrong, thats not even an opinion.
>>325052270
You can say that but you and me both know that it'll probably never be as popular as undertale was
>>325052187
Whoa there, friend. Why the banter?
Why do you hate the game so much? If you dislike it you can just say so and state the reason why. There is no need to go full rant mode.
>>325052365
>genocide run
>god tier
Maybe if you're using the trick to increase the encounter rate.
>>325052359
He means if you kill them. Also you can cheat with the college fund by just duping items and selling them.
>>325052257
Undertale is 'hold directional key and then press spare or attack' the game. The Painful at least has some flavor that is notable to distract from the messages being sent in the story.
Undertale could be an anime kid's movie on a VHS tape, a webcomic, an animated series, a book, whatever the fuck. But as a game? Are you going Gone Homo on me?
And yes, I consider VNs games because at least VNs have substance and options. Undertale is completely 'which button did u press when the slime appeared'
>>325052540
The area right before bosses have super increased encounter rates. ie: Bridge before mettatton.
Also Undyne was good, but Sans was perfection. I literally commited genocide just to fight his bony ass over and over.
I can't take the game seriously after it made Tsundere jokes and other such cringey humor.
>>325051216
I enjoy Undertale, but I do feel like Genocide feels incomplete, almost tacked on.
There are a few things in that route that seem thought out, like undying and the last fight, and it is interesting to see things from a violent perspective, but they don't even really explain how Chara came to posses Frisk, or explain why Chara went from being a somewhat mischievous asshole to wanting to fucking kill everything on the planet.
Also shit like the Genocide Metaton fight seemed less like a anticlimax joke, and more like they genuinely ran out of energy to design a new fight.
>>325052626
You didn't play past the ruins did you? Like that is one uneducated as fuck opinion.
>>325052626
I consider you haven't played the game?
The gameplay is the main appeal of the game. All these story faggots are just autists that like to fuck the goat mother.
>>325052406
that's entirely circumstantial evidence. don't even deny how vocal and passionate the fanbase is. you've nothing conclusive to your argument and you're expecting me to take your word for it based on nothing but hearsay
>>325052540
The Undertale Genocide "Grind" is pretty much nothing. Even in Hotland, once you get to that final corridor before Mettaton, you can walk back and forth and be guaranteed a battle pretty much every time. Compared to actual grinds in a lot of RPGs, it's pretty quick and painless.
>>325052626
Not sure what you're on about.
Other RPGs have tried the no killing thing before. Undertal using a simple shmup mechanic for it I felt was very unique and great way to do it
Even if you're terrible at shmups and just want to play the game for the story you can get around it.
>>325052460
Because all the underfags in this thread, like many other underfags outside 4chan, either brush off standard complaints or diehard never accept criticism.
If someone asks me why I dislike it, I say
>Gameplay was lackluster, not much of the dialogue was fun
etc etc
But that's not enough for the standard underfag.
>>325052709
If you do Genocide twice, chara hints at the fact that death made him a demon. Also you fall on where his body was buried. They do explain it, it is just hidden.
>>325052702
To me it felt like it was intentionally bad. Like done in a trollish way by toby fox with /v/ in the back of his mind.
>>325052873
that doesn't make it good
>>325051963
>"it gets good later"
>>325052702
Making a joke on /v/ like that would be cringe, but for normal people that humor is just topical enough to be funny and weird. You are biased because of the community you frequent.
>>325052751
>>325052765
>hurr you didn't play the game
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that part where the heart turned upside down. Or all those buttblastingly easy puzzles.
OH, WAIT, I forgot! Sometimes you press 'talk' or 'flee' like with the big sushi lady! Sometimes you get forced to play the most boring ass route first!
Genocide and Pacifist change what you fight in the game an dodge with your little heart, big fucking deal.
>>325052867
How and why did he possess Frisk though? Why didn't Chara possess any of the other humans earlier? Why wait?
It just seems so less thought out than the story elements in the other routes.
>>325052926
Doesn't make it bad either.
>>325049235
FTL is the single best indie game
>>325053195
Maybe because undertale is badly written
>>325052812
You do realize there are tons of rpgs that have morale system right? There also a lot more complex then did you kill or not kill.
>>325053163
No, that's just a fact, there arent "puzzles" like that later in the game.
I wonder if Broquest was released if the same thing would have happened
>Tons of threads about beta, demo versions, hype for the final release
>Game is released, suprise hit
>Fandom explodes on other websites
>Gets GOTY awards, memes, people latch onto the characters autistically (as if they weren't already with broquest tbqh)
>/v/ now pretends they had never seen it in their life and liking it is bad+wrong
>>325053195
Because the the player, that's you, wasn't involved then. The fall child interacts with YOU, not Frisk, she is merely a middle man between you and the psychotic bitch.
Sorry you're too retarded to understand.
>>325053252
Fuck, forgot this in previous list because I couldn't remember if it was indie or not. Not my type of game, but hella if it's a good indie game. Good taste anon.
>>325053195
He explains that he is essentially the feeling of completion. I thought of him as a demon. More so because he calls himself one while asking you to sell your soul for a true reset.
>>325052836
That's not enough for the standard /v/ fan of any game.
>Gameplay was lackluster
What makes the gameplay lackluster? Compared to what? What did you come in expecting, considering there was a demo?
>not much of the dialogue was fun
>fun
Do you mean it was too childlike? Do you mean the jokes were too blunt? Too obnoxious? What?
When someone is asking why you dislike it, they're looking for clarification of what you dislike. If you just give the standard line of "I disliked X", it doesn't mean anything. That's a value judgement of why it was bad for you, not an argument for why the game itself was bad.
>>325053189
People are trying to talk about videogames here. I know people over there at reddit say /v/ is only for shitposting but please stop it.
>>325053310
No because broquest will have themes that won't embarrass us
>>325053341
wait wait wait
did you just call frisk a girl
It's ok to like Undertale
The only people who will get triggered are the newfags.
They try to fit in by following the masses and hating everything /v/ hates, they can't form their own opinions.
If they were here longer they would know that /v/ used to love Undertale, it's only hated now because tumblr caught onto it, which is already a stupid reason to hate something.
These kids don't actually look at Undertale for what is but instead just look at it as a punching bag.
Just ignore the MEMEGAME TUMBLRTALE posters, they're not worth the headache
>>325053264
Did you not read my post at all?
>>325053341
That doesn't answer the question though.
Why did a player have to be involved?
>>325051942
I don't even really remember much about them.
Besides all the Toriel art.
>>325053189
>in GAME you only press buttons for hours and then you finish it. GAME is boring, Big fucking deal, I only pressed buttons!
You can trivialize everything in this way. You just described a lot of cool features and general gameplay.
Please come up with actual arguments this is an discussion board anon. Not a "general negativity board"
>>325053195
>i-it's actually a metaphor for the players control over the main CHARActer and stuff guys i swear!!!!
i mean jesus christ i love undertale but its very stupid sometimes
>>325053482
Hahahahahahaha
Dude you're fucking retarded.
>>325053435
But Anon, I already said what was lacking, what was shitty about the dialogue, everything! Why repost it to you if it means nothing to underfags?
>>325053456
>implying
Can you not accept that Undertale is like a bad spinoff sitcom?
>>325053468
I agree with you. But posting pictures like that while you make statements like this feels almost like falseflagging.
Please don't use faggot meme pictures. It won't improve the reputation undertale has.
>>325052709
Chara was always a cunt.Shepoisonedherselfjust to manipulate Asriel and murderhervillage for god knows what reason.
>>325053171
>you browse 4chan therefore you have no right to judge the joke
Don't really see what site I browse has to do with it but okay. Still a cringe my joke and I'm not don't even watch much anime
>>325053553Goatmom waifufags and theory craftingit was a simpler time
>>325053553
There is something really wrong with this WEBM but i can't quite put my finger on it.
>>325053561
In Undertale you only press one of four buttons while Toby Fox clone #94 talks about something. There's nothing eye grabbing or remotely deep about Undertale. Nothing actually intrigues me 1%, because Undertale turns into the same gimmick no matter what you're doing for the route requirements.
>>325053621
You aren't making any sense.
I understand the meta element on the Genocide ending.
But from a story perspective, who did Chara need a player to make a connection with Frisk?
If it was powerful enough to break the fourth wall, what was stopping it from possessing a regular human?
>>325051727
>this is an 18+ site
>posts the new trendy and hip parallel universe meme
I bet you're not even 18+ yourself faggot
>>325053562
At least argue directly instead of standing in the sidelines like a pussy
>>325053459
elaborate
because broquest was getting pretty circlejerky, it would be prime shitposting material
e.g
DAE FREDDY MERCURY XDD LE WRONG GENERATION
>>325053765
>cringe my
cringey
>>325053482
That thing (the fallen child but not) is a demon that comes when called by name. So, he came into Undertale when you named the fallen child.
Only warlocks can summon demons. Therefore, the player is a warlock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZRP7nQkfrM
>>325053765
Thats the thing though, you don't have to watch anime to get the joke, average people know what tsundere is somewhat, toby exaggerates it and uses it as a joke, people find it funny. Here however, the general knowledge and understanding of what it means and what autists use the word for makes it not funny.
Basically normies will find that joke funny.
>>325053958
Better explanation than I've heard before, since you do in fact name the original fallen child, not Frisk.
But it hardly seems deliberate.
>>325053987
>Asriel interrupting the pacifist credits
jesus christ i remember actually shitting myself when that happened
>>325053847
You're implying that the characters are all clones, and not distinct? I don't agree in the slightest. Each major character had a personality and failing of their own.
>>325053853
I'm not really knowledgeable about the plot of this game, because it has like 2 different plots, but I believe Chara just needed EXP to take control of Frisk.
This is where you come in. Chara even says it would have been impossible were it not for you.
>>325054061
Of course, they're called normalFAGS for a reason.
>>325053740
I'd rather look like a person who enjoyed Undertale and is justifying the hate behind it
Rather than a "guys look, I'm on no-ones side! Aren't I so mature?"
Also I mainly posted that picture because it's Sunibee, and I like Sunibee
>>325054061
What's the joke? Is there more to it than just the plane itself? I mean that's barely a joke, it's like a quiet chuckle and barely memorable.
>>325053797
I wonder when the first Undertale thread was made.
The oldest picture in my Undertale folder is from March 8, 2014.
>>325053837
Like what?
>>325054451
The joke displays behavior common in an overused anime archetype.
That's it.
>>325054154
I'm implying that the writing is bland as fuck, and at some points it feels like you're directly talking to a nasally voiced tired as fuck Toby Fox.
All of the archetypes are present:
>Woman general who is really a nice person deep down
>WACKY BAZACKY D00D!
>Lazy fuck (bonus points for lazy fuck who is hiding a massive powerlevel)
>Mummy
>lowkey ghost of antagonist
>power of friendship
>NERDD!!!
>Flamboyant guy of ambiguous detail
>King who feels like doing an hero
I understand the capability of humor in using stereotypes like these, but when Toby makes all the characters bland stereotypes whose dialogue patterns could probably be traced elsewhere; how is that good? All of them are presented as they are: Stereotypes. Nothing else notable.
>>325053468
there's maybe one person in this thread doing any of that. you're making disingenuous generalizations to sweep any and all criticism under a rug where you can easily argue from a vantage point. and you're not even reading what people are actually saying.
>>325054451
Does every joke have to be a gutbuster for you? I actually prefer my games to have those quiet chuckle moments, puts you in a good mood.
>>325053837
It's made using a modified engine, looks wierd because it isn't natural.
>>325054637
No, I just don't understand how that could ruin the game for someone. Then again some people here really hate anime so whatever.
>>325053847
For the sake of falling down to your autistic level of "argument" Undertale has 7 buttons including the movement keys for battles.
>There's nothing eye grabbing
Clearly.
>>325052709
I agree.
Genocide felt more like a non-canon 'what-if' scenario, rather than a seperate, fleshed out path.
Shit like never encountering Alphys felt like deliberate attempts to be lazy in comparison to the other routes. No new areas or encounters besides the two big bosses felt extremely disappointing.
>>325054457
Oldest on foolz goes back to the 30th of May.
Most of the early threads looked like they were shilled by Toby himself.
>>325054745
nigger there was someone in a thread earlier complaining that Sans greets you with a whoopie cushion
Froggit is pepe. This game is so filled with maymays.
>>325054754
Don't cherrypick my argument anon.
>nothing intrigues me
OFF was not eye grabbing but was weird/morbidly interesting to keep going.
Undertale was bad after Snowdin.
>>325053987
This music gets me hype as fuck to save some old friends, knowing exactly what each of them is in to, so I can give the middle finger to the ragegoat that thought it had me beat.
It's been said before but I'll just reiterate that the music in this game is spot on.
>>325054956
I never got that pass it just being a frog. Nothing about it was pepe like. Not even the depression personality.
>>325054584
>this backpedaling
You said they were all clones of eachother, now they're different?
nice oversimplifying tho
>>325055042
Pepe was hardly characterized by being depressed by then anyways.
He's a smug asshole now.
>>325054971
Why not? What you said was flat out wrong and I called you out on it.
I don't really care to argue against your opinions.
>>325054584
I am sure this is bait, but you realize you can oversimplify any character into a trope right?
Watch, all it takes is one magic word to start it
>Muh
>>325055112
I said they were all clones of eachother because they all felt like half assed attempts at dialogue by Toby Fox.
They all feel like Toby Fox, Undyne is just someone going 'Now Toby you need to do strong general chick'.
None of the text was inspired.
>>325053878
>Using a new meme spawned by /v/ in a /v/ thread is a sure sign I'm underage.
>undertale a game loved by tumblr and leddit can be posted without any issues
neo/v/
>>325055282
For the sake of understanding your understanding of the characters I request that you describe Sans for me.
>>325055214
But you're ignoring the entire argument.
I can all you autistic fag who needs to kill themself while only acknowledging the second line of your post.
But I'm reading the entire post and responding to the entire post.
Undertale had nothing eye grabbing or 'mysterious' in it, and it was uninspired garbage.
>>325054584
Wait so now they're different stereotypes? I thought they were all clones. Can you let me know where the goalposts are so we can pick an argument?
Just to take one character as an example, it's easy to put Dr. Alphys into the "NERDD" box and dismiss her. However, her social anxiety is rooted in what she has done, and how she feels she has to lie to everyone or be viewed as a monster or failure.
>>325054608
I'm fully aware there are straight edge people on /v/ who hate Undertale.
Maybe you heard me wrong.
I'm mainly issuing those who have had their mindsets for the game twisted through shitposting and satire,
The ones that instantly dismiss the game without batting an eye because /v/ hates it so I must too
Those who respond to every argument with "back to tumblr with you"
"Go back to reddit" is a bit more understandable considering the game does kinda have redditish humour.
>>325055231
You can oversimplify characters like that, sure, but here's the issue.
>Undyne can be oversimplified to radical general chick
>her backstory is even shittier because it follows the 'when I was a little gurl I met da king'
Most characters will probably follow a stereotype but actually make a more original backstory.
>>325055417
>Alright toby you need to write lines for sans
>shit ok
'Hi I'm Sans. I'm lazy and dodge responsibility like a self-destructive shithead. I swear I'll kill you though.' and them some rambling that ends up being about friendship. There's no 'personality' in these characters if you tried.
>wanting to leave the ruins
Why would anyone want to?
Shits comfy as fuck
>>325055827
Goat king faggot doesn't let you sleep if you don't
>>325055506
See
>>325055282
And don't ever reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.
Besides, Alphys can be shoved into the NERDD category as well as 'muh social anxiety' one as well. You think she's the only guilt ridden scientist this side of vidya?
>>325055451
I don't care about your faggy ass argument, I'm just correcting you, you dumb fuck.
>>325055827
When I actually got to Toriels house I felt the obligation to switch off the game and say "And they lived happy lives together forever, The End"
>>325055773
Undyne isn't just a musclehead, though. She's unique in that she demonstrates she is the only monster that hasdetermination.That aside, she doesn't dismiss others like Papyrus or Alphys because they're willing to put in 100% for the things they want. She's more about passion than power.
That's not to say her childhood story hasn't obviously been done before, and you can see it coming a mile away. I don't think anyone would argue that.
>>325054845
Man, looking through the old threads on the archive is crazy.
>>325055926
Don't ever reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.
>>325050185
How do you know this?
Is it because you're addicted to outrage and seek out tumblr tier material?
Cause how else are you going to encounter this shit otherwise? You disengenoous bald headed little mank twat.
>>325055772
it was still entirely uncalled for when nobody was doing any of that memegame/tumblr shitposting. you saw the thread and made that assumption without reading the thread, which is the problem here.
>>325055923
Wow, someone >>325055231 even let you know ahead of time that using "muh" makes your argument look puerile, and you went and did it anyway. That takes some balls.
>>325054076
It's sad, but it's the only explanation that fully explains the fuckery at the end of genocide.
There's the fallen child whose fucked up story only exists in Undertale. Then there's the demon who calls you partner and implies he's worked with you in other world. These are supposed to be the same person, but that's impossible.
The simplest explanation for this (besides Toby fucking up) is that the demon is not the fallen child but possessing them. Why the player has a demon partner that possess people in the first place is because that's how you "control" characters in an RPG. The player always uses the same name / contracts the same demon for his characters, so that is why the demon calls you partner.
It may be Squall is dead tier to call yourself a warlock that torments alternate universes by possessing shonen JRPG protags with demons to slaughter millions in order to explain the lore of Undertale, but nobody else has even tried.
You're either a female who frequents tumblr or an autistic beta faggot if you like this garbage.
Which one are you, anon?
>>325047875
Its the Steven Universe of Video Games
Something so shit with fans that are equally as shit.
>don't like twitch games
>no difficulty settings
>dumb checkpoint system
yeah wow. i'd probably be mad if i paid money for this. i shouldn't have to cheat just to get by. it's fucking dark souls all over again. sure icould learn at my own pace over the course of the game but you know what'd be fucking really awesome, if I could replay this one shitting part over and over again until I GIT GUD but now I'm sick of the game.
great job toby.
>>325056116
Fighting with passion or letting people who can't fight for so and so reason like she does is also bland.
She's unique in her universe, but that's easy to compare to how Kamina can survive after a wound that should kill him despite his species.
She likes Papyrus and Alphys for being the best at who they are, not unique. Muscleheads with softie undertones are already a thing, Undyne just fails to go anything past the category name.
>>325051013
Not if he did something to make him not want to talk to him...
>>325056305
And I responded to it with an argument.
Don't EVER reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.
>>325056094
The demo is objectively better then the actual game
>>325056368
>no difficulty settingssoon
>>325056525
What's different in the demo compared to the actual game
>>325056507
kill urself fgt
>>325056368
You can just farm hp items and the temi armor.
>>325055773
Nah, there's personality there. I like to think of Sans as Pagliacci. Just because a character isn't fleshed out over a full length game with character development doesn't mean they don't have a personality.
Sans is a clown trying to keep up the mood, but is ultimately sad because he knows everything he does is pointless because you'll just reset time anyway. He just doesn't give a fuck until Chara is about to destroy everything.
>I can't afford not to care anymore
>>325050306
>>325050579
>make shit
>shit gets popular with the mentally challenged, hipsters and landwhales and a mixture of all 3
>people who arent mentally challenged dont like shit and can give you reasons why shit is bad
>buh ur just hatin it cuz its poplar toby said ud do that so he's rite nd ur rong
I love this retardation.
Do you really think anything bad can be defended if the creator says its going to get hated because its popular? Are you really that fucking stupid?
>>325056635
What's wrong, too tired to defend your shitty 5/10? Pathetic.
I argued for Muh, I argued for bland combat system, I argued for bland characters, I gave all my counters.
>>325056627
Cuts off after the ruins A.K.A when it stops being good
>>325056795
>Stop liking what I don't like
>>325056507
I'm trying to contribute to you, as a person. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. If you want to actually convince someone that your opinion is valid, then don't resort to the standard /v/ terms.
>>325056785
>Sans is a clown trying to keep up the mood, but is ultimately sad because he knows everything he does is pointless
Cut off from the part that makes it plot related to Undertale and you have a personality type. It is his PT but it's also the same with Undyne. A category/personality type that doesn't go deeper than the name it borrows it from.
>>325056895
Stop having shit opinions then.
>>325056979
>contribute to you, as a person
Don't EVER respond to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.
>>325057009
Anon! Please do not call other opinions shit!
>Chara got competitively revived at the end of the genocide run because she got 7 souls
>Asgore knew he could exit the underground with just 1, but decided to gather 7 to turn Asriel back from a flower instead
Y/N?
>>325056638
>you can just farm
so basically just cheat, but waste a lot of time doing it.
sounds awful.
>>325056129
Shame a lot of the pictures are lost in the archives.
It's still nice to reminisce though.
>>325057089
>2
False, both parents did not know Asriel was revived in any form, and monster souls do not last after the vessel is destroyed.
>>325057096
Farming in an rpg is considered cheating now? What?
>>325056216
I just think it's unfair that OP had to spoiler his opinions on the game through fear of getting shat on by everyone.
No-one should have to do that.
Also within in 3 replies to the thread >>325047631
And >>325047821 were posted
>>325057089
It said by Toriel (with no rebuttal from Asgore) that Asgore didn't go out and kill because he hoped no more humans would come, but at the same time promised his people he would free them, and therefore couldn't just let them go.
It's very likely that neither Toriel nor Asgore know about Flowey, as Alphys hid all of her failures.
I'm doing a run where I'm picking and choosing what I kill. So far no important characters, just a few carrots. Am I making a mistake? I might replay the game at some point but probably not.
>>325056982
You're moving goalposts again, also how is it unrelated?
>A category/personality type that doesn't go deeper than the name it borrows it from.
Elaborate please. Sans was obviously more than what you initially thought he was, so I can't see what you're trying to say here.
>>325057170
They're on someone's hard drive, somewhere.
I'm sure a lot of it could be tracked down.
>>325057239
if you ever find yourself farming/grinding in any game ever you're playing video games wrong
>>325057387
The "Neutral" path that you are taking has a small twist, and a relatively... uneventful ending, relative to the other two. But in doing so, you have the knowledge of how to do either of the much better endings.
Warning: If you want to go for Genocide, you better be quite good at memorizing attack patterns.
>>325057212
Exept that Asgore knew Flowey was Asriel.
>"Mom! Dad! Somebody help me!" I called out.
>But nobody came.
>Eventually, the king found me, crying in the garden.
>I explained what had happened to him.
>Then he held me,
>He held me with tears in his eyes, saying...
>"There, there. Everything is going to be alright."
Toriel is the one that didn't know.
>>325057387
Just play the game how you want and at the end you're given clues on how to get the best ending.
>>325057576
But some actions fuck up your ability to get other endings in new playthroughs right?
>>325057545
When did you start playing RPGs? This was standard fare in a multitude of RPGs up to and through the NES era. The earlier iterations of Ys or DW(Q) are nigh unbeatable without a bit of grinding. This was likely intentional to make the game last longer.
>>325057418
Cut off the reason why he's depressed (because it makes it directly related to undertale) and you get his personalitytype.
I know sans is a sad piece of worthless that makes jokes because he doesn't like to acknowledge it, but his archetype is lazy with powerlevel. His personality is sad clown.
Undyne has all the typical 'radical female general in army' traits
>childhood she had either the leader of the army/king or just some big warrior figure she looked up to
>it's made a point that the gender is presumed male until seeing the mask off or hearing voice for first time
>softie underneath
>appreciates characters like Papyrus for their strong hearts
etc etc
The 'sad clown' personality that Sans has is exactly that. Remember when you brought up Pagliacci? In Watchmen, the Comedian was the sad clown type, Rorschach even makes a joke about him and Pagliacci in one fell swoop.
Here's the difference: Comedian was sad because he saw the cracks and eventual doom of society, Sans was sad because he was afraid that his actions would all have no merit and eventual point.
>>325057289
are you op? because i have a hard time believing op was actually scared of anonymous people on a korean claymation image board shitting on their opinions. how thin-skinned do you have to be to care? people use spoilers when they're trying to be cute too.
yeah and now you fish for shitposts after i call you out on not reading the thread. how is calling op a furfag tumblr/memegame shitposting anyways?
just read the thread next time and quit being a baby over opinions
>>325057545
Well 99% of RPGs are trash then by your measure.
>Enjoyed the Game
>Don't want to do Genocide because I personally feel it's really fucked up totrue reset and let them suffer again
>Would recommend it to people
>anytime /v/ mentions it
>"TUMBLR GAME, It's shit, memetale"
Damn, the game is good and interesting. it might not be your type or game and you might be autistic and try to find a reason to hate it but calm the fuck down people. Opinions are Opinions.
>>325057089
Chara never obtained the seven souls, because Asgore died before he revealed them from their hiding spot.
>>325057606
That's Flowey's first time. He went to Asgore and then to Toriel. Realizing neither of them helped, he then tried to commit suicide and discovered resetting. There's no reason to believe either of them still know.
>>325057387
No, you're doing fine. The only reason you wouldn't kill anything ever is because you can fast-track to the "true" ending by warping back to an earlier save instead of having to replay the whole game.
You'll probably replay the game at least once after you beat Asgore just to see what happens next, but don't worry about it for now.
>>325057606
Flowey went to visit Toriel at the ruins after spending time with Asgore. So she likely knew too.
>I ran away from home.
>Eventually, I reached the RUINS.
>Inside I found HER, Chara.
>I thought of all people, SHE could make me feel whole again.
>...
>She failed.
>Ha ha...
But don't forget that Flowey reset his save point many times, so he undid that time spent with the both of them.
>>325057682
It's not rocket science. This isn't getting the zodiac spear in FFXII levels of necessary knowledge. If you want the "bad" ending, the only thing you need to know is that areas have finite amounts of monsters in them. If you want the "good" ending, then you only need to know that it isn't necessary to kill anything. Attack? Maybe. But never kill.
>>325057801
Sorry, it's just been a while since I've seen a thread on Undertale that isn't pure hate.
>>325057606
It's implied Flowey's hysterics or Asgore's empty skull led him to not realize it. Go search it for yourself, I'm not researching it.
>>325057606
Well, he doesn't go into detail about his interactions with Toriel, but presumably he explained the same thing to her and she tried to comfort him as well, but it didn't matter since he couldn't love. Although both of them would have forgotten when he tried to kill himself and wound up back at his "save point."
You know, I really disliked the fact that you couldn't sacrifice yourself in pacifist route to give Asgore his last soul so that the people of the underworld could go to the upper world.
It would make it the best Jesus story in gaming. Sacrificing your own life to grant them passage to heaven.
>>325056825
Wait, are you literally suggesting the first 30 minutes of the game, when literally no characters or plot have been introduced besides Toriel, is the best part?
Top kek you're autistic.
>>325058147
Your determination would just bring you back to your last save point. You can't be monster Jesus, unfortunately.
>>325058147
Just wait for Toby's Hard Mode patch.
>>325058147
Well, you could do that in any run. Just die. They will get the 7th soul, Asgore will not be weakened and easy to kill for Flowey. You just don't get to see the ending because you're dead. Duh.
>>325058147
Well, it never was your soul to begin with, so the message would fall flat.
>>325050306
Every
time
there is not a single game that gets this treatment in this shit hole
>>325058147
>>325058262
>>325057768
Sad clown is hardly typical, though. You said he was just a lazy fuck hiding a powerlevel, but you oversimplified it to hell by calling each character a clone of Toby.
Undyne is a very simple archetype, though I agree. That's probably because she's satire behind the strong female shounen that she adores so much, and is also in some RPGs. This is fine because Undertale is an RPG satire.
>Here's the difference: Comedian was sad because he saw the cracks and eventual doom of society, Sans was sad because he was afraid that his actions would all have no merit and eventual point.
Yes. They're both different, but they're both still good, believable reasons. You need to remember one is a comic character (no pun intended), and the other is in a small indie game. Of course Comedian will be better written.
>>325057805
not really. most games are balanced well enough. if you're seriously just fighting the same dudes over and over, so you can fight the other dude you can't beat, that's just a bunch of repetitive busywork taking the place of lowering the difficulty or cheating.
>>325047034
wow, it's almost like you should never fucking listen to /v/
these are the same retards who go coo-coo for memes and then go on a witch hunt for anyone who goes on reddit
the only reason i havent abandoned this shithole is because it's a good place for OC and news
>>325057009
>MY OPINIONS ARE BETTER THAN YOURS!!! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
>>325058147
1. Fight Asgore
2. Die
3. Turn off the game and never play it again
It's the same logic behind "letting them be happy" at the end of a pacifist route. They're enjoying the ending, but you can't be around to see it because you just mess up time and reset everything.
>>325058347
>I have never played a FF game in my life the post
Ok kiddo.
Nuclear Throne > this fag-pandering, Reddit-magnetizing, beta-enveloping piece of dog shit. idk how a game can copy the Earthbound series this blatantly and get away with it without a scratch.
>>325058191
Yes it isstaying in the ruins is the canon ending
>>325057825
>Don't want to do Genocide because I personally feel it's really fucked upThey're not real, anon. They don't have feelings.Killthemall.
>>325058147
It also just occurred to me, that if you aren't in the Underworld, Flowey will reset before Asgore takes power because he has the strongest soul.
So yeah, Jesus ending impossible.
