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Stay classy /v/
why are you bullying indie devs?
Is this a game about TB?
>>324252757
because it isn't a game.
It's about a dead child, so if you criticize it, you're just subhuman!
>>324252757
Because he could've done a million other things other than make some shitty walkingsim VN to honor his child's death(?)
>>324252757
>indie devs are innocent
>Starbound, The Arkh, Cube World, Nether,...
how many other indie "devs" made a run for it or just plain scammed again? I forgot.
>making profit off pity money for your child's death
I hate millenial parents.
>>324252757
Because the "game" legitimately sucks ass
>son dies
>charge people for a game
>ayy why aren't you being humans you goiym, give me my money
>>324255317
Wait, it's really about their son?
>>324252757
it's a point and click game without any puzzles
you're just watching a child die from Cancer
>>324252757
Because they should have just made a damn movie.
If I wanted a story about cancer I'd just stay on 4chan.
Nobody's forcing you to buy it or play it you fucking manbabies.
>listening to NPR
>They say that the game requires skill, not in the gameplay sense but in the emotional sense
THEY DID IT
THEY FUCKING DID IT
AT LAST THEY HAVE CREATED GAMES THAT REQUIRE EMOTIONAL SKILL
>>324254124
this is the difference between the old generation and new generation
old generation see it as profitting of their child's death
new generation see it as a memorial of their child, a glorification of his journey
>>324255748
And?
>>324255748
That's why I pirated it :^)
>>324252757
>stop using violence to spread your message man yells at terrorists
What a jackass. He's just giving the trolls exactly what they want.
>>324252757
>Game literally exploiting cancer as its selling point
>Talking down to me from his high horse
Game looks neat. Thanks for bringing it to my attention /v/. I just bought two copies.
>>324252757
As if the game's name wasn't confusing enough. Is the dragon telling me to find humanity. Is the dev the cancer? Are the trolls being addressed by the dragon?
>>324252757
>why are you bullying indie devs?
Easy lunch money
>>324255612
Have you seen their crowdfunding page? It has photos of their dead babby plastered all over it.
What disgusts me more than the fact they are profiting from this shit or the fact that the game turned into christfag garbage, is that some of those voice clips are probably RL stuff from times when the baby wasn't dead. Even the crying ones.
>>324255968
What happened to you, Sniper? You used to be cool. Now all you do is go after low hanging fruit.
>>324252757
Because they make shitty games with pretentious plots that would be laughed in any serious media not covered by easily impressionable hipsters.
>>324253080
>why are you bullying indie devs?
>because it isn't a game
makes sense
>>324255835
>They say that the game requires skill, not in the gameplay sense but in the emotional sense
The fuck does that even mean?
>>324256098
>tripfags
>cool
>>324252757
We are?
Speaking of, is the game any good? Does it get its point across well, or does it smack you with an anvil?
>>324255856
Is it me is or the old generation a bunch of cynical cunts?
>>324256194
Go away nerd
>>324255968
Piss off Isa you nosey cow.
>please stop calling me out on trying to profit off of a terminal illness for my shitty sim
>>324256098
>You used to be cool
No I didn't
>>324256089
>What disgusts me more than the fact they are profiting from this shit
That was mt first thought when I've discovered the game, but I didn't bother investigating it, because I believed they wouldn't be this awful. Goddamn
>>324256194
Who clears out the illegal shit?
>>324256089
No, I have not seen the crowdfunding page. Why would I want to look at pics of a dead kid, the fuck is wrong with you.
>>324256194
>Welcome to the new 4chan. With 100% Freedom and 100% Privacy.
Another one?
>>324256367
>Only the chan creator has the power to delete threads, and he only deletes illegal stuff.
If this is true it means when he goes to sleep the place will turn into pure hilarity.
>>324255968
Away you go ya poke nosed gabshite
>>324256276
those cynical cunts are the only hope against the new generation pretentious hipster garbage
>>324256276
>we are going to honor my child's journey of life and death through cancer
>you can be a part of it too for only 14.99 :^)
>>324252757
>its bullying if you criticize certain people or their work
fags
>>324256313
Did you say the same to Steven Spielberg for making a movie about the Holocaust? Why wasn't Schindler's List free?
>>324252757
cause the game sucks dick you moralfaggot.
Looks like a pretty boring game but I can understand why the parents created it. What I don't understand is why the proceeds from the game aren't going to charity - the 15 dollars or so you spend on this game could just be spent towards a charity that actually helps cancer patients. It's pretty morally dubious to me that the family are more concerned with lining their own pockets than helping other kids with cancer.
>>324252757
This narrative of yours has a flaw; No one is talking shit about this game on this board.
The few times I've actually seen it discussed was only about how dumb it was to have it on Ouya only,and during this month, how bizarre a game like that would be.
I'm really sick and tired of you journofluids trolling forums for ANY negative information about a game that might have some SJW-tendencies(which this game clearly doesn't)
You should be ashamed of yourself.
>>324256561
You mean the new generation of optimism and open-mindedness is the only hope against you bitter old twats
>>324252757
DOES THE GAME HAVE A WIN CONDITION
CAN YOUR SON ACTUALLY BEAT CANCER?
ARE THERE CHOICES YOU CAN MAKE THAT AFFECT THE END OF THE GAME?
NO?
NOT A GAME
>>324252757
>Jed Whitaker
binned
>>324256606
Why would they care about kids with cancer.
Their son is already dead.
>>324252757
>why are you bullying indie devs?
Nobody is
>>324256668
I love this meme
Dorf Fort confirmed not a game
>>324255968
Fuck off Isa
Why are indie devs such faggots?
>>324256592
>Why wasn't Schindler's List free?
>Why wasn't a movie about the Holocaust, directed by a Jew, free?
Gee, I wonder.
>>324256697
Why even make the game then?
>>324256592
Are you autistic?
Don't you see the difference between a good (or at least well received, fuck you) movie covering historical moment and two fucks trying to milk their dead kid mere WEEKS after he died? With a terrible game nonetheless.
>>324256817
To make easy money and get fame, since you can use your dead son to shield any criticism they throw at you, which is exactly what they're doing.
>make a game to cash in on the inevitable death of your own child
>call other people out for lack of humane behavior
yeah alright ok
On the one hand it's just a shitty, cheap game and it seems like they're cashingbin on a tragedy, but on the other hand they lost a child and maybe they deserve a little cash? I have a 7 month old and I'd be pretty devastated if something like this happened to him.
>>324256917
This is sounding eerily close to GloopyGlop *backs out of thread*
>>324252757
Holy shmoly, my butt-mad-O-meter for that game rises on a daily basis.
fuck your oscar bait
fuck your pretentious attitute
fuck your immunity to criticism
fuck all this hypocritical condolence
fuck all those reviewers feeling obliged to give this a good score
fuck all those reviewers rating that game basically just for it's topic and nothing else
If you want this game to be a memorial for your dead son make it free and accept donations
Wanna make a commercial produkt out of it? well fucking sorry, deal with everything that comes with it
>>324256887
>covering historical moment
>trying to milk their dead kid
You're using emotional language to create an artificial distinction.
>>324256664
*the new generation ingenuity victim to marketing and populism wasting money without thinking about cheap instrumentalization and falling to even bigger cynical cunts
FTFY
>>324252757
>put something very personal on the internet
>people use it to mock and make fun of you
wow im surpsied
>>324256276
What causes cynicism if not experience? While you think those older than you are jaded and bitter, they see you as a naive and idealistic kid who will learn just as they did before you.
>>324256887
The movie was bashed to hell and back by everyone that actually cares about the portrayal of the holocaust, jews and germany in WW2, which are quite a few important film critics.
>>324257075
here's your reply
>>324256592
That's a false equivalency.
If Schindler's List was created while Jews were still being genocided then yeah, it'd be pretty unethical. It'd be just as fucking stupid as making a movie about ISIS killing Yazidis and charging people $20 to see it while claiming you're 'spreading awareness', when in reality if you wanted to spread awareness you'd either make it free OR you'd donate the profits to the Yazidi community.
There's no real excuse that the devs aren't donating at least a portion of the sales to kids' cancer treatment or research. It says a lot when buying fucking Five Nights at Freddy's donates more to cancer research than this game does.
>>324256917
Maybe you should come at them with some actual criticism instead of
>lel milking your dead son's cancer with a non-game you deserve to be bullied t.b.h.
Because, you know. Reminding people that you made a personal game about your son dying is pretty much the correct response to that.
It's kinda like when /v/ wanted to shit on DAII and chose "lel all the characters are gay Anders such a homo" as their angle of attack. And then everyone was surprised when EA called them out as homophobes and didn't address criticism about what a rushed piece of shit with recycled dungeons and rubbish encounters it was.
>>324256318but I liked you
>>324257117
As opposed to using an appeal to authority in order to create a false comparison.
>>324256592
One is a movie with a budget of $22M and the other is a shitty indie "game."
>>324256887
He made this a few weeks after the baby died?
What the fuck? Did he even care about the kid?
>>324255835
Pffft I've been speedcrying Heavy Rain for years.
>>324252757
So what the fuck is it anyway? It looks like another walking simulator like Gone Home.
>>324257478
I was just using an example everyone would be familiar with. It Spielberg had been a nobody, when he made Schindler's List, would it have been a shameless cash in then?
>>324257410
What more can be said at this point?
It's a pseudogame with no gameplay and a shit plot that's been told 1000 times better in many movies and books.
For something that tries too hard to be artsy, it's derivative and bad.
>>324252757
>trolls
Why is it that no one knows what that term means anymore.
A troll is someone who post inflammatory bait to get a reaction out of you. In which case responding in a fucking news piece of all things is the most retarded thing you could do.
Informed critiques and legit negative criticisms of you and your work are not trolling.
>>324256276
They might be cynical but they had better morals and werent babbied
>>324252757
It's not /v/ it's /pol/.
>>324255856
That's because the old generation had it easy when it came to money, for the new generation desperately trying to scrape pennies any way you can is just a fact of life.
>>324257298
I used to be bitter and jaded. Optimism and idealism was something I had to learn. My life is honestly a lot better for it.
Wallowing in your own cynicism and mistrust for the world is a self-destructive vicious cycle and honestly one of the reasons 4chan is pretty shit.
>>324256194
Fuck off pedochan
>>324257214
>turn something very personal into a commercial product
>people treat it as such
ftfy
>>324257641
This is a troll post.
It's not bullying if he wants it.
How is cancer incurable yet?
Or is it just more people getting cancer these days?
>>324257384
So if someone did make a movie about ISIS now, would you demand it to be free?
>'spreading awareness'
You're putting words in their mouths and then holding them accountable for failing to live up to them.
>There's no real excuse that the devs aren't donating at least a portion of the sales to kids' cancer treatment or research.
There's no excuse for you not to do it either. The game is $15. Go donate that amount to cancer research right now.
>>324257117
Not really. I can use the same verb and tell that "they are covering death of their kid mere weeks after it happened". It doesn't become any less fucked up.
Since they are not donating shit, my only defense towards this game is that it raises awareness towards cancer but it doesn't cancel the fact that the game lacks any subtlety or the fact that they are doing this by slapping their death kid on every aspect of it.
+ Spielberg, unlike those fucks, has ACTUALLY donated millions of dollars to all kinds of charities so that makes your original argument even weaker.
>>324257521
Yes. Check their kickstarter page.
>>324252757
I just don't fucking care.
>>324257606
>What more can be said at this point?
Just because you don't want to buy or play it doesn't mean you can't show a little respect.
>"Find some common humanity"
What did he mean by this? (Really, I don't get what that is supposed to mean)
>>324257857
We don't have the genetic manipulation technology necessary yet. Cancer is a lot trickier than other diseases because it comes from corruption of your own cells' DNA.
>>324257857
>is it just more people getting cancer these days?
People are living longer which means more people are diagnosed with cancer at later ages which pushes up the statistics on cancer rates.
>>324257521
No, it was a game about being a parent to a child that has cancer but then the kid passed away and now it's about having lost a child to cancer.
>>324258007
>Buy my game!
>Using your child's death to make cash
>Devout Christians
Yeah, I'm sure a vision of baby Jesus told you to get that money. If you wanted to memorialize your son you wouldn't be charging $15 for a two hour experience that's supposed to make you feel bad. At least all of the money Razer gets from Ouya sales of the game will go to charity.So none.
>>324258007
GIB MONIE PLS MY SON WAS NOT OLD ENOUGH TO GET SOCIAL SECURITY FOR HIS CANCER AND I WANT THE HOT DOLLARZ
>>324257641
>Informed critiques and legit negative criticisms
lel
That's my informed critique and legit negative criticism of your post.
>>324257641
It's trolling if it offends them in anyway. Doesnt matter if it justified criticism or valid critique, if it hurts my feelings you're a troll. Feelings are more important than facts or reason.
Welcome to the world we live in now.
[spoilers]I want off this ride. [/spoiler]
>>324257641
>>324258114
Also don't forget that "trolling" is now called baiting
>>324257602
It was a shameless cash in as well as a terrible movie. If you want to talk holocaust films not made to make money by leveraging genocide, consider Night and Fog, Shoah or even Diamonds of the Night.
>>324257886
>I can use the same verb and tell that "they are covering death of their kid mere weeks after it happened". It doesn't become any less fucked up.
Why? The game was in development for a longer time. It was about his life. He died shortly before it was done so they reworked it to reflect that. You're making it sound like they threw something together after his death and that they don't deserve any recognition for the work they put into it because, what, it's too soon? They should be the ultimate judges of that, don't you think?
>>324256592
If this was a multi-million dollar title, him asking for money would be expected because you don't just eat a cost like that for the art.
This is a one man band making a game with theoretically infinite time and resources. He can choose whether to charge or not, and has chosen to do so.
>>324257857
By the time there is a cure for cancer we will be capable, theoretically could prolong our lifetime surgically.
That's how complicated cancer is.
>>324257857
Because cancer and AIDS are a billion dollar industry. George Bush and Dick Cheney would rather kill off millions of poor people to line their pockets instead of saving the world and being remembered as heroes. I genuinely thought Obama was different but he's in the same little rich white man's clubhouse as the rest of them.
>>324257990
They only deserve respect if they release a product that's worthy of praise, which it isn't.
As a videogame, it's objective garbage.
As a work of art, it's derivative and plain bad.
The fact that they're making dosh while their son's body is still hot is irrelevant, although highly questionable.
>>324256786
Endless games like city builders and dorf fort may not have explicit win conditions (though I'd maybe argue being able to continue to play being a winning condition), but they definitely have lose conditions instead of the game just being "over" like this.
You also make choices that effect the progress of the game and steer you toward either that win or that loss. If all the content and interactivity of your game could have been handled with a few clicks through a powerpoint it isn't a game.
>>324258269
Shut the fuck up Kanye, isn't Kim's womb open for another baby yet?
>>324258248
>If you want to talk holocaust films not made to make money by leveraging genocide
So they're free? Or they just donate all the proceeds to charity?
>>324252757
Bullying shouldn't discriminate. If you're picking and choosing who to pick on, then you're a shit human being.
>>324258250
The kid died back in 2014. The game got released one week ago.
>>324258370
>Bullying
But there's no bullying actually happening.
>>324258007
"You're not being people, you're being animals. Step up your game."
>>324252757
>Cancer dev
Fitting title
>>324257857
>How is cancer incurable yet?
1. It is a random mutation of cells caused by a malfunction rather than a virus. Cancer is less of a disease and more of your body majorly fucking up and needing correction.
2. Cancer is a massive money maker for the medical industry and even there was a way to cure cancer, it would be massively expensive.
>>324255317
He is literally using his son bawwww death to get money out of a medium where people know it works. ala gone homo, "her"story etc.
>>324256219
Nothing. It means absolutely fucking nothing.
>>324256657
I'm willing to bet the more inflammatory trolls are alts of people with relations to the dev, or perhaps sockpuppets as part of some raid organized by some socjus hive to prop up this game and further prop up the narrative of 'spoiled white manbabies crying about _______'. You know, like how cities/corporates will bus in fake protestors claiming to represent some other group and tarnish their public image? Kind of like that.
>>324258252
>If this was a multi-million dollar title, him asking for money would be expected because you don't just eat a cost like that for the art.
So at which point does the budget make it morally justifiable to sacrifice artistic integrity?
>This is a one man band making a game with theoretically infinite time and resources.
kek, so a passion project made in someone's spare hours counts as "infinite time and resources" and a multi-million dollar Hollywood production doesn't?
You dumb faggots need to realize no matter what truths we speak or point out, the media is ALWAYS going to spin it against us. So just shut up and keep to yourselves, or you make things worse for everyone involved.
>>324258628
Can we pretend Kotaku put out a hit piece on TD,C's developer? Calling them out on the same shit y'all bring up? I like pretend, and I think that would be a fun pretend.
It's not the devs fault, he wanted to make a game about cancer life
It's the fucking journalists who have to pretend it's the second coming of Jesus causing trolls to exist in the first place
>>324258271
>They only deserve respect if they release a product that's worthy of praise
So what have you done with your life?
If they don't cure cancer by themselves you wouldn't feel bad shitting in their son's coffin?
I don't think people also realize how mechanics behind kickstarter reflect on that shit.
People don't buy 598721 computers for "development costs". Most of that money goes directly into their pockets so that they can spend it on themselves and their needs so that they don't have to juggle between their project and their job. Those people ALREADY GOT PAID for the game. By selling it for $15 and not donating shit they literally profiting on both their dead kid AND sad fuckers who invested in this game in the first place.
>>324256592
Spielberg made Schindler's List for free. He refused to be payed because he saw it as blood money.
>>324258541
I don't think the dev is the parent.
I don't find this abhorrent, especially compared to that "game" from that dutch faggot with the mustache.
Not sure why they don't just call them visual novels, or come up with a new catchall phrase for them if association with japanese porn books is too damning.
>>324258734
>It's not the devs fault
>It's the fucking journalists who have to pretend it's the second coming of Jesus\
Kinda like that one game. You know the one.
>>324258763
While I suppose that is admirable, the dude is worth 2.6 billion. At a certain point you probably just stop giving a fuck.
>>324258763
Okay. What about all the hundreds of other people involved? A movie doesn't get made by one person.
>>324252757
>>324258836
Fullbright Co has some pretty annoying individuals on their staff desu
>>324257857
>How is cancer incurable yet?
Fighting cancer is like you fight an ISIS and the only weapon you have is a nuclear warhead.
>>324258836
Gone home? Mass Effect 3? Undertale? Half Life 2? Which one nigga?
>>324258936
those goalposts moved so fast they're whistling
>>324258286
Your distinctions are arbitrary gatekeeping nonsense that require weasel words in order to not exclude a vast chunk of the games you do still want to recognise as games. Why should "game over" be separated from "win/loss conditions"? Why do you get to include implicit win/loss conditions sometimes but "game over" doesn't get to be one? Since when does choice matter? Does that exclude every linear game?
my son died
gib money
>>324258628
>implying I give a fuck
>implying I'm going to stop posting because some clickbaiting game 'journalist' will condemn it
>>324258370
>If you shoot Hitler you should also shoot Anne Frank otherwise you're a hypocrite
>>324259141
Anne Frank was a kike
>>324258942
This kind of stuff is the best part of steam refunds
>>324258430
Guess it takes time to rework a game when you're on your own and not a professional game developer. Who knew?
>>324258936
Hell if I know, they're just doing a job. I think what's important is the the man who concieved and directed the movie refused to be paid.
If there had been a full team of developers on this game would you really want none of them to be payed or just the asshole whose idea it was to create the game based on his dead kid and accepts money for it?
>>324258942
lol
https://imgur.com/a/yceJt
>>324258734
>I have no free will, I am simply so contrarian that if game journos tell me something is good, I am compelled to shit on the devs. So don't blame me!
Maybe seek help for that.
Does anyone think that cancer is humanity's expiration date? That maybe some advanced aliens created us with a failsafe mechanism to make sure we wouldn't develop more than what their experiment contemplated? Not saying it's true, but it would make a good story
>>324257857
Because treating it with meds that cost thousands of dollars for a months supply for the rest of the patients lifetime is far more profitable than curing it.
>big ticket items
>captive consumers (you need the meds to survive)
What's not to love? It's a guranteed cash cow, and with the rates of cancer its going to stay profitable. This is how Big Pharma has operated for ages. Treatment > cure, unless you can gouge the fuck out of them for a cure. And even then there will always be something every person needs meds for at some point, and thats $$$ in the bag.
>>324258738
>you can't criticise a videogame unless you've made a better one
wew lad
>>324259141
More like if you shoot Hitler but not Stalin you're a hypocrite.
>>324258743
So making a movie or writing a book or a sing about personal trauma is fine but the line is drawn at a game? The fuck is this hypocritical bullshit
>>324259451
No, that's picking and choosing. You're a shit human being. Thanks for playing. Don't discriminate, kill yourself.
>>324258354
I should point out I'm not the anon you were originally hashing this out with. The question is whether something is made primarily for profit, or for some other reason (artistic, cultural importance etc.). So yes, all those films cost something to someone, and none of them are "free". Working out which are driven by profit, which are not, might be impossible; Spielberg likely had more or less good intentions, I'd be more inclined to question the motives of the studios backing him. Nevertheless I feel you can look at Shoah, and what it took to make, and look at Schindler's List, and find the latter wanting. Anon's "it should be free" argument doesn't hold, but in your movie example and the game the cost of the product raises fair questions about intent and purpose in both cases. Giving some of the money to charity would, perhaps artificially, allay some of that suspicion.
tl;dr it's a question of intent, both this game and your movie example seem dubious to many, making commercial products out of drawing on the tragic and personal nature of their respective content worsens that.
>>324259382
That's kind of dumb though, since anyone can get cancer and not only older people.
>>324259519
>You're a shit human being
Well duh, I'm on /v/. Thanks captain obvious.
>>324259191
Dubs usually speak truth but not this time. Anne Frank was a lusty play thing that pretty much stayed alive servicing every danger that came(!) her way. The "kike"iest thing she ever did was hide money in her asshole for a friend and ended up keeping it for herself (which she then exchanged the money and several sessions of unprotected sex for shelter in a shady barber shop).
>>324259382
A couple of books/movies already did this.
>>324258628
There really is no winning move against socjus is there? You either fight back and become the villian or ignore them and their insanity goes unchallenged. It's a rigged game.
>>324259450
Well, apparently people only deserve respect if they make a good video game, so why should I care about your opinion?
Go out and make something that scores at least 90% on metacritic, or you're not even worthy to lick the shit off my boots.
>It isn't a reaaaal game! Hurhurhur!
Confirmed for never actually playing it.
It is a game, but the game is bad, it's just figuring out tedious puzzles that are awful explained.
I'm sure the whole story is actually very touching and upsetting, a father lost his child after all, but not sitting around and solving all this bull shit for the story.
It should have been a minimalistic animation about his story instead. But no, that wouldn't be "indie" enough, it has to be a game.I actually have very mixed emotions about this guy using his dead son as a way if selling his shitty game.
Gosh DANG it! It's those frikken' GumblyGabbers giving us gamers a bad name again! Man, they steam me up!
>>324257857
Go read a book on it.
Cancer happens when your normal cells multiply but read the DNA a little bit wrong and mutates. Then it mutates out of control and takes up more and more of your body's resources to maintain until it kills you.
Because it's still part of your body, your immune system isn't dumb enough to kill a part of yourself. Cancer so far is only cured by literally poisoning and killing the deviant cells while at the same time killing off your normal body cells.
There is no way to individually target a cancer cell specifically and there is no way to cure cancer until we can figure out how to tell our bodies not to mutate differently when our cells do their normal cell division. Once we can figure that out and stop it, we've essentially created immortality because cancer is the only thing that stops human beings from living so long.
>>324252757
Is it true that they're donating NONE of the money from a game that was fucking kickstarted?
>>324259683
>>324259647
Not currently anyways. Just wait for them to implode, things will go back to how they used to be
>>324259665
I'm not demanding respect, they are.
It must be hard being this stupid.
>>324259609
I don't mean as in old people, I mean mankind. Sorta like the Reapers from Mass Effect but more subtle and on a smaller scale.
>>324259628
Thought so, it doesn't sound that original
>>324259689
>Because it's still part of your body, your immune system isn't dumb enough to kill a part of yourself.
IIRC, the immune system kills daily your own mutated cells, however cancer cells don't trigger that alarm
>>324259059
In these games you are under absolutely no threat of not finishing them, that's hardly a "win" because you only have to perform an incredibly small amount of interaction to do so. There's a reason you "finish" a book instead of "winning" it when you reach the end, the same applies to these things being pumped out. Choice isn't limited to branching storylines and shit, but it extends to all the actions you can decide to make, even in a linear corridor shooter you're choosing which enemies to shoot, what cover to take, what weapons to use, you're actually doing shit besides holding forward or clicking next.
These things are not games., not in the slightest.
>>324259553
I personally find it dubious to make assumptions about people's intent and present them as fact, especially concerning something that one can only assume it very personal to them.
But I'm sure they only kept the little fucker alive for four years so their game profits would be all the sweeter.
>Game's nearly done, is he dead yet?
>Not yet, you think we should just suffocate him in his sleep?
>Nah, give it a few more weeks, cancer'll do him in. Might be suspicious otherwise.
>>324259781
GATORS GONNA
GATE
GATE
GATE
GATE
AND GAMERS GONNA
PLAY
PLAY
PLAY
PLAY
WIIMOTE SHAKE IT OFF
SHAKE IT OFF
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>>324259943
Ah I made a mistake on that part, thanks.
>>324257521
The idea for the game happened when the kid was still alive and he spent his entire night awake trying to stop his kid from crying. Everything he tried failed and all he could do was pray.
Kid was at deaths door, but seemed to get better several times before the eventual bounce back where the doctors no longer could do the radiation without killing the kid.
The kid died in the middle of development.
>>324252757
>parents crowd fund a game about their dead son
>people criticize it, not for being about a recently dead child, but for being a weak game
>"HURR SUBHUMAN! LITERALLY HITLER!"
>>324259647
What if I told you there's a third option: engage with them as a rational person instead of a raving lunatic?
If you find yourself unable to do that, then your best option is indeed to hang back. Maybe someone else will step up to the plate in your stead.
>>324257650
This
>>324259689
Telomeres, son. They get shorter with every division. And when they're used up, no more division. You die.
You have to figure out how to have your cells divide without losing anything in the process, then you have immortality.
>>324259943
Cancer cells are better than me at MGS, Fuck.
I remember seeing this thing on E3 or something a while back. Back then there was no cancer in the title. Seems they added it in for extra attention.
I have no problem about him making a game (or interactive experience I guess) about his child's death and what he went through. Interesting stuff, actually. He's not selling it though, is he?
>>324259665
>Go out and make something that scores at least 90% on metacritic, or you're not even worthy to lick the shit off my boots.
is that before or after I bribe reviewers
>>324259887
Okay, lick my boot, faggot. You should consider it an honour, since you haven't developed any games.Seriously though do you realise how fucking retarded it is to tie treating someone with basic decency to their success as game developers? You can think their game is shit but that doesn't mean they're subhumans who don't deserve to be pissed on if they're on fire.
>>324259983
here's your (Record Deal)
>>324259952
>In these "games" you are under absolutely no threat of not finishing them
Forgot my air quotes.
>>324257857
>How is cancer incurable yet?
Don't forget to donate to your favorite charity goy. Together we can totally beat cancer.
>>324257415
>approving of tripfags
I fucking hate you faggot
>>324260236
depends, if you know them personally, which is ethical, you might get 90% without a bribe.
>>324260319
>tfw he was voiced by senator armstrong
>>324260080
People have tried that. The only problem is that they arent looking for debate, if you're not with them you are against them and everything you say is wrong, even if it's factual, even if you have evidence, studies, etc. to back it up. They will simply dismiss your arguments and start shitting in your mouth and using your words against you because in their eyes you are a pissbaby cishet manchild with white privilege and etc. etc. etc.
It's been tried and it has failed every time. They dont care what you think, your world is being dismantled no matter how you object.
>>324260313I chuckled
>>324260218
$15. No indication that any of the money goes to any sort of pediatric care or cancer research foundations.
>>324259952
>In these games you are under absolutely no threat of not finishing them, that's hardly a "win" because you only have to perform an incredibly small amount of interaction to do so.
The smallest amount is still more than none. You're interacting with the game world. You're making things happen. This is different from a book because with a book you're only interacting with the medium, not the content.
>Choice isn't limited to branching storylines and shit, but it extends to all the actions you can decide to make, even in a linear corridor shooter you're choosing which enemies to shoot, what cover to take, what weapons to use, you're actually doing shit besides holding forward or clicking next.
Okay, so at least Gone Home is a game, right?
>>324258763
>>324259297
>>324259553
Just to add, it's studio funding versus Ouya and Kickstarter funding models. Universal made Spielberg direct Jurassic Park because they wanted a definite hit in order to go ahead with a film that was much more of a risk. Spielberg comes off very well in regards to his involvement actually.
Studio just wanted to make money, Spielberg just wanted to make Schindler's List. Perhaps the same is true of Ryan and Amy Green and Numinous Games, perhaps not. I think it's fair to question it.
>>324259518
>So making a movie or writing a book or a sing about personal trauma is fine but the line is drawn at a game?
Where the fuck did anyone imply that? And yes, they were trying to cash in on their sick kid with the book way before the game was released and yes it is pretty fucking disgusting too.
>>324260356
AGDQ is about preventive measures. The only effective attack on cancer. I donate every year when they play my favorite game of all time (Mario64). Eat shit, racist.
>>324255835
But Toby did it first! Talentless hacks.
>>324260491
>People have tried that.
Really? When? It certainly wasn't any time during the past four years.
Or if there were one or two, they must've been massively overshadowed. Hence the other part of my advice.
>>324252757
Nigga I didn't do shit. Take it up with Cow on cripplechan.
>>324260598
Well that's pretty fucked up.
>>324257526
>speedcrying
>>324260721
Shitposting aside, I don't understand why people give them so much shit for not being a research. Checking yourself early is the best way of dealing with this shit and it will stay like that for years.
My only complaint is that faggots keep donating and messaging about research despite the fact that announcers say what exactly the foundation does between every fucking game.
>>324260721
100% ass blasted. A fool and his money soon depart.
>my favorite game of all time (Mario64).
>>324255835
>>listening to NPR
That's where you fucked up. Drop the liberal propaganda you loser.
>>324259954
I agree that presenting it as fact is, frankly, disgusting. 4chan etc.
>>324260290
They don't deserve respect as game devs because their games are shitty.
They don't deserve respect as human beings because they're milking their dead son.
How is it that hard to understand?
>>324260598
Came here to ask about that.
I could've see the logic if he donated most of his profits.
>Kid passes away
>Instead of remembering him and moving on, make a video game to remind yourself of what happened
>Sell your kid's sad story
If the kid somehow didn't die and was getting all this money put into a savings bond for their college tuition in the future, it wouldn't be so bad. The dude is making money off of his kid's death though, and that's absolutely fucked up. How is there any discussion about that game other than "The dev should feel bad for what he did"?
>>324252757
>why are you bullying indie devs?
Because the guy is making a game about his son dying of cancer, selling it, and not donating any percentage to cancer foundations.
>daddy.. why am I dying??
>Shut up Timmy, I'm writing code.
>>324257694
Hahahahahaha
>>324259943
I'm pretty sure your body kills cancer cells all the time, its just that if your immune system is weak or you've been exposed to a fuck ton of carcinogens that your body can't keep up with the cancer and it begins to grow and spread throughout your body. Some types cancer however aren't readily recognized by the body.
>>324260290
>success as game developers
Maybe after they sell a game.
>>324261051
Look, be a cunt all you want, but don't hide behind shitty excuses.
>>324261182
lel literally what i was thinking
>hurr durr exploitation
Jesus Christ people have been making books, songs and movies about personal or witnessed trauma for ages. You might as well say any sort of unauthorized biographical media is "exploitative."
When will /v/ attack authors who use negative personal experiences as subjects in their books that they then sell to the public for profit?
>>324260607
>The smallest amount is still more than none. You're interacting with the game world. You're making things happen. This is different from a book because with a book you're only interacting with the medium, not the content.
Sorry, a minimal amount of interaction is not sufficient, especially if it does not present a challenge to your completing the game. Would walking from one end of a field to the other with no obstacles, no ball, no opponents or anything be a sport? No it wouldn't, you don't do anything other than slowly advance down their path to the finish, there's no win or lose, there's no overcoming or beating anything, there's just finishing.
>Okay, so at least Gone Home is a game, right?
Gone Home is as much a game as navigating powerpoint slides covered in boring text. That is to say, it isn't and it is one of the worst offender.
The Stanley Parable was much better anyway.
>>324261493
>>324261507
Always this shitty argument
Just because it's been going on for centuries, doesn't make it any more acceptable.
>>324261493
It's not really like /v/ to give a shit about "exploitation" anyway.
I'm sure the real issue is that it's an indie game with little gameplay and everything else is an excuse. Until the excuse becomes the reason, because people think it sounds nice but they're not actually smart enough to think about it themselves.
Same with people hating Bioware and gay people.
I probably wouldn't have even heard about this game without the manufactured controversy around it. Sorry for his loss but any time you monetize death, in any creative medium, you get the same responses.
The industry is moving more and more towards death every day some indie hack that made a "story-driven" game relying on emotional crutches rather than thoughtful writing, which inevitably flops, decides that the reason for the failure is trolls/capitalism/the state of the industry, et al.
>>324261782
>wouldn't have even heard about this game without the manufactured controversy around it.
That was planned
Wouldn't be surprised if the indie clique is behind this sending death threads and vitriol to the guy to increase awareness and push their "muh vignette indie experiences" shit.
>>324258269
yeah retard, they're just sitting on the cure
>>324252757
>why are you bullying indie devs?
i don't know, ask why cancer bullied their son
>>324261493
How many of those were funded by guilttripping people into it? All while having videos and photos of dead kids slapped all over it. AND turning into christian propaganda despite telling absolutely nothing about that at the funding stage.
Why are you immediately assuming that everyone here would be ok with this kid of shit if it came from other type of media? Because people don't shit on shitty books on a video game board?
>>324258269
>Believing "no money in cures" big pharma memes
>>324259358
Interesting read, I remember considering this game after someone praised it on /v/... I hope I was being tricked, and not shilled to.
>>324261679
>Sorry, a minimal amount of interaction is not sufficient
Yes it is. It is, in fact, the primary distinction between what is a video game and what isn't.
>especially if it does not present a challenge to your completing the game.
What is a "challenge"? Is a game not a game if it's too easy?
>you don't do anything other than slowly advance down their path to the finish, there's no win or lose, there's no overcoming or beating anything, there's just finishing.
If there's finishing then there's a game. You entered a game with the rule "reach the other end of the field" and then you completed it and then you weren't playing any more.
>Gone Home is as much a game as navigating powerpoint slides covered in boring text.
That's odd, because it has a win condition and it has choice.
Are you sure this is about objectively determining what a game is, and not just shitting on indie games popular with hipsters? You can just do that on /v/, you know. You don't have to disguise it.
>>324260124
There's that, and there's also that we're burning to death very slowly because oxygen reacts with fucking everything.
>>324261182
>>324261919
Are you still surprised when people don't take your conspiracy theories about the Indie mafia seriously?
>>324261761
Why doesn't /v/ ever criticize a game for actual reasons then? People here always latch on to a meme reason (in this case exploitation) that they don't even care about instead of complaining about the things which they actually don't like. This board is so facetious with arguments, you never know if people here actually care or are just trying to sink something they don't like.
>>324252757
Humanity is the propagation of an economic system which has fed every nation that's adopted it, allowing untold millions if not billions of people to come into existence that otherwise wouldn't have been able to.
Humanity is not crying about your forum.
>>324260721
you do know that only 22% of GDQ donations are actually given to charity right
>>324261941
apply yourself pls, that was shit
>>324262243
Sup Gaynor
>>324261182
My thoughts exactly.
>>324262146
If you play it and it's on a video screen. It's a video game. Whatever your arbitrary qualifications are, they're irrelevant.
Just call it shit if you don't like it
>>324261758
Funny, this is the first time I've ever heard that profiting on personal experience being unacceptable. Does this only apply to extremely negative things like the death of your child or does it extend to all forms of personal experiences? What about making a book or a game about your experiences in a war? What about a trip to the beach? Technically even your education is just personal experience that you have experienced in a learning environment. Is it unacceptable to profit on those too?
Or could it be that everyone shitting on the game are just latching on to the first negative thing their mental gymnastics have managed to single out to try and justify their hatred of the game since there doesn't seem to actually be any concrete reason.
>"Stop being mean guys" - Devs
>"WOW LOOK AT THIS BASED DEV, HE TOTALLY TOLD THESE TROLLS - "journalist"
>>324262464
Yes.
>>324257526
You magnificent bastard.
>>324252757
Does he imply we are the chosen undead
>>324258269
>cures for hundreds of diseases found and made available for general public in last 100 years
>doctor's can't cure LITERALLY everything
>therefore everything they can't cure is LE JEW SITTING ON A VACCINE despite the fact that the richest and jewest of all still get that desease and die from it
>somehow a cure for something that kills, like, 20% of people in modern society is NOT going to make people who came up with it a billionaire
You fucks are as bad as anti-vaccination crowd.
>>324260745
"Blown Out of Proportion" The Game.
I've never seen so many try to see something that's not there.
>>324262251
>Why doesn't /v/ ever criticize a game for actual reasons then?
Well, it's harder to get people to care about the actual reasons, but if you can disguise your personal preference as somehow morally justified you can get a whole bunch of gullible idiots bashing a game along with you. That's why they're the meme reasons. They spread much more easily.
>>324262482
Welcome to today's "Gaming Journalism". Games don't matter, only the drama does.
What about finding some common humanity to try to understand most heterosexual men like sexy girls in their vidya?
Or is that a bridge too far?
>>324258252
>with theoretically infinite time and resources
I- what?
I like how instead of arguing whether something is good or bad, we argue whether something is even X. It's not enough to criticize something, people aren't satisfied until they prove it's "not X."
>This isn't even art!
>This isn't a even a game!
>>324254124
>>324255856
>>324256276
>Millennials only think about themselves meme!
Can this meme die already?
>>324257857
"Cancer" isnt one thing. Some cancers are more treatable, or even curable, some arent.
The umbrella term "cancer" just means too many things, so "cancer" will never be cured.
>>324262727
Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye, /v/?
>>324262820
Half those post are calling out older generations, not the millenials.
>>324262820
Not really a meme when it's the fucking truth.
>>324258523
So the cure for cancer is a strong immune system which catches these mutants early, before they spread.
Thus the cure for cancer is to reduce stress, which negatively impacts the immune system, as when stressed your body turns off some of its non-urgent services to concentrate on solving the issue at hand.
1+1=420 legalize it.
