How do we stop censorship? Mainly Nintendo since they are the only ones that censor games nowadays.
Stop localisation
Either
A) Learn Nip
or,
B) Rally against the laws in your country that are forcing the localisation team to do this
Remove Localization
Focus on Translation
>>323798913
What laws were preventing Fatal Frame to be released uncensored?
>>323799002
The majority of the issues here arise from the laws regarding sexual depictions of minors. Companies don't want to risk publishing that stuff in case of bad press.
I haven't kept up with it but I can assume the Fatal Frame stuff was for that reason.
But It's okay when Nintendo does it.
>he's still at it
>>323798709
It's funny how the censorship you faggots worry about isn't about artistic or journalistic liberties, but instead its about le animu schoolgirl panties. You people are so fucking sad.
Nobody takes you seriously for a reason.
Fuck off.
>>323799948
>>323799795
Why are you rustled?
>>323799226
Aren't the fatal frame girls in their 20s?
It's okay when Nintendo does it
>>323800728
19 and 17
>>323798709
>How do we stop censorship?
Nintendo will do it themselves by slowly dying off to irrelevancy
No games for nintendo systems = no censorship
>>323798913
>censorship can only come from the government
Odd, didn't see that in the dictionary definition.
>>323802081
learn to read you fucking dipshit.
>>323799795
those are artistic liberties :)
>>323802217
Censorship can occur without laws forcing teams to make changes based on offense or moral indignation perceived
>>323798709
>Mainly Nintendo since they are the only ones that censor games nowadays.
>>323802547
Also when teams shit all over the original concept to make changes based on perceived preferences of their audience, or what they think will annoy them.
>>323802547
An with regard to NoA's censorship that hasn't been the case. They're not the best translators, but they're not that bad.
>>323802823
Nope.
the system or practice of examining writings or movies and taking out things considered offensive or immoral
>>323798709
Why are we still talking about Nintendo over here? Nintendo talk should be moved to /vr/, since they haven't been relevant for so long. After E3 2008, I don't know how anyone could call themselves a Nintendo fan.
>>323803027
Not necessarily
>>323802823
>we changed Dolls to Skells because it sounded COOLER! Don't you want to be cool???
>we made Lin's voice deeper because westerners would find it annoying!
NoA can suck my dick
>>323803027
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=self+censorship
Pick any definition you like
>>323803287
>Pick any definition you like
How about:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censorship
>>323803378
Doesn't say anything about offence or immorality
Please read links that you give to others
>>323803489
>Doesn't say anything about offence or immorality
ctrl + f
>>323803689
We are not children are we?
When localisers affect their work with the preferences and sensibilities of their audience in mind, they are practising self-censorship.
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/self-censorship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-censorship
I don't know why you dislike this conclusion so much, is it disadvantageous to you in some way?
>>323804082
No, which is why I will not use the Kid's Definition of a word from an online dictionary. I expect the same from you.
>>323798709
There is NOTHING wrong with censorship. Now watch as I make a giant post full of personal attacks and misrepresenting the argument to show how silly you are for not buying censored games!
>>323799226
Stop posting total bullshit like this.
>>323799226
Any artwork is protected by the constitution and the right to human expression.
There's no such law.
>>323802240
More like autistic liberties, am I right?
>>323799226
I'll take "Made up bullshit to justify an objectively bad thing" for 500, Alex!
Why do you want to stop the censorship, is the first question.
>>323804434
Why ask questions that are stupid?
>>323804323
Which is why loli is banned in most of the world including many US states?
>>323804384
I don't like bad translations or censorship and I'm not trying to justify it. It's just and explanation. It'd have been far better if NoE did the translations and if the US (and the entire west really) got over its fear of sexuality.
>>323804434
Because I enjoy games more when there are more opportunities to see tit.
>>323803962
>I don't know why you dislike this conclusion so much, is it disadvantageous to you in some way?
What is censorship and what is bad business practices is the divide in my opinion.
A 1:1 transliteration of every word is impossible.
At some level, things are going to get changed. To that end, what is acceptable to what can be changed and what can't is going to be the divisive issue, and you have to put something a bit more clear down, in my opinion. A change made to sell is one thing. A change made because it is deemed immoral or offensive is quite the other.
Sometimes there's overlap and the issue becomes really muddy and ugly. This is happening lately due to shifting demographics. A more responsible answer it to look hard and closely at the definition and make sure we aren't changing or removing art assets due to perceived offense or immorality. I.E. god of war comes to mind immediately.
Pardon me if earlier I came off as abrasive. I didn't think you were going to engage.
>>323804623
>Which is why loli is banned in most of the world including many US states?
Possession is not in any state in the union due to a ruling in 12'.
Trading across state lines is another thing. This has to do with buying your loli doujins and whatnots.
>>323804716
>A change made to sell is one thing. A change made because it is deemed immoral or offensive is quite the other
They are both inexcusable and it's a slippery slope to say "we changed the game to sell more!" because "selling more" often involves attaining a lower ESRB rating which involves removing immoral content. And taking something out so parents are more comfortable buying for their kids is also done to "sell more".
So no changes should be made. The only good translation is one that is as faithful to the Japanese as humanly possible.
>>323804881
>Possession is not in any state in the union due to a ruling in 12'.
If that's true then fuck my ass because I was completely unaware. Not too read up in US laws since I've never lived there.
This censorship business is clearly just a case of NoA being shit as per usual. Which really makes me wonder why people are acting so surprised.
>>323805187
>The only good translation is one that is as faithful to the Japanese as humanly possible.
I suppose even monkeys fall from trees!
>>323805187
Just learn Japanese already, anon.
Nobody wants to keep looking up references and proverbs that only Japanese will understand. And if you're the same guy that was bitching about Lin's English VA being lower pitched, I prefer that voice way more to the squeaky Japanese one, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
>>323804716
>transliteration of every word is impossible.
What does this have to do with cutting sexy costumes out of games?
>>323805609
Localising phrases and localising outfits are both forms of self-censorship.
One is localisation I like, one is localisation I dislike. But I don't think we should be calling one "censorship" and saying "oh, that's just localisation" for the other, just to be more emotive.
>>323805609
>What does this have to do with cutting sexy costumes out of games?
Is writing art?
Rhetorical. It is. So if you modify the writing of a game, you are altering its art. Translating or localizing a game alters its art on some level.
>>323800770
I honestly don't get the reason behind this...
>>323805992
In the US/Europe, black and brown girls are more likely to pick up the game, so the localizers changed some of the skin tones so that any potential players didn't get the impression that only white people can be pretty/fashionable.
>>323805847
See this is what I mean.
I can't really say that translating something is the same as censorship. Likewise, localization.
Censorship is based around offense and morality.
>>323798709
Well if you're that concerned about t, you should start learning Japanese so you can import the newest games instead
Furthermore, I________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>>323806325
It was a pretty reasonable explanation.
>>323805857
They are separate issues.
Some Japanese phrases do not accurately translate into English. This is correct.
All Japanese costumes translate into English, they are costumes, they aren't constrained by language.
>>323807001
>Some Japanese phrases do not accurately translate into English
This is an issue of culture, the phrase can be translated literally, but a localiser could reckon that most players will not understand due to not being familiar with Japanese culture (and the proverbs often used in that culture).
>they aren't constrained by language
They could however, clash with the culture of the country it is being brought to. A localiser could reckon that most players will find the costume tacky/distasteful due to not being familiar with Japanese culture (and the lax attitudes towards skin).
You could easily say: "I play Japanese games specifically because I enjoy that culture". But the assessment of whether people like ourselves are the majority of the market for the game is down to the localiser, not to us.
>>323798709
>How do we stop censorship?
-stop buying censored media
-stop paying localization companies by amount of changed content or they'll go crazy making all kinds of modifications (backing them up with bullshit excuses like "it's offensive in the target culture") in order to get more shekels
-stop the americans from being faggots and not be scared by tits
the first two are the ones that actually matter (money always wins over culture "morality" and politics) with the first being the only one where random people like the anons here can actually make the difference
>>323807589
This explains it well with the first problem being a language issue and the second problem being a censorship issue.
Changing something because you don't like it is exactly what censorship is. Assuming your customers also don't like it is just plain retarded.
I'm not Japanese but that doesn't mean I hate their culture.
>>323807589
>A localiser could reckon that most players will find the costume tacky/distasteful
Only murcians and muslims find that, rest of the world doesn't give a fuck.
>>323807835
america isn't the only country in the world where the national pasttime is pretending to be disgusted by sex to look mature
>>323807775
>being a language issue and the second problem being a censorship issue
They are both essentially self-censorship in order to sell a game more. One is a change that I am okay with, one is a change that I dislike. To call the costume-based one "censorship" because you don't like it and not the other is a bit underhanded.
>Assuming your customers also don't like it is just plain retarded
You are making a pretty big assumption yourself with that "also". What if the localiser quite likes pantyshots but removes them from a game to achieve a lower rating to sell more?
Is "localisation" synonymous with "habitual moral outrage" to you? It shouldn't be.
>>323808338
>self-censorship in order to sell a game more
It sure worked for NISA.
>>323799226
>Implying they didn't swap out the swimsuits because they knew the release was fucked enough so they decided to pander to ZSS and Zeldafags
>>323808338
Altering the text because of language impossibilities isn't censorship. If anyone translated いただきます as "I receive it." that would be completely stupid. There's a reason they use "Let's eat" or "Rub a dub dub, thanks for the grub" instead.
Japanese and English need creativity to translate, one is a high context language and one is a low context language. It's impossible for even the best translator to 100% accurately translate it.
>>323808583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJZCofYgn1Y
>>323798709
>Mainly Nintendo since they are the only ones that censor games nowadays.
Stop buying Nintendo games and Nintendo products. The same as any other company. I don't think it will be a problem with them much longer though because their next system is probably going to flop.
>>323798970
This, at least for America, we're a friggin melding pot of cultures and races with different, conflicting beliefs, founded by the right to choose follow what we believe in. We really shouldn't have "what is and what isn't okay" set of guide lines, not one so strict and intolerant of foreigner customs, especially if they are got incourage you to accept foreigner customs in like every other form of media
>>323798709
It's not censorship
It's "localization"
:)
>>323809630
>Sexy outfits removed
>It's localization
>Homosex bug fixed
>Censorship
I hate vidya journos.
>>323798709
>they are the only ones that censor games nowadays.
Fuck, those are some impressive blinders you have on.
>>323800770
So
this?
>>323798709
they only censor in amerifuck land. if you don't want censorship, just move :^)
>>323809992
Eurofag here, Xenoblade X was censored everywhere outside of Japan thanks to America.
>>323808583
NISA is still alive and set up 2 sister companies, Idea Factory International and Actill.
Actill handles localizations for various Koei Tecmo games while double dipping and setting up contracts for NISA to sell Limited Editions.
/v/ still gives money to NISA and was shilling Rodea the Sky Soldier along with the upcoming Disgaea PC pretty damn hard.
In fact releasing broken games and refusing to do recalls has also been working for them. At least SNK playmore had the decency to recall SNK vs Capcom Card Fighters DS when they released a game you can't progress in.
>>323810185
but fatal frame wasn't
>>323798709
>nowadays
>>323810456
It is also censored in Europe.
>>323809992
>they only censor in amerifuck land.
Then what is this lolol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkUuABNnTC0
>>323810649
German censorship is hilarious though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRMqonctTtQ
>>323810621
you cleary haven't played the game then
>>323810649
that's not nintendo you memelordand counterstrike is shit
>>323798709
>Mainly Nintendo since they are the only ones that censor games nowadays.
Didn't SFV had discussion about the censored R.Mika butt-shot?
Also, not really censorship, but Dead or Alive 3 Xtreme not being localized.
>>323810929
Were all the countries indoctrinated by reapers?
>>323811350
They are all robots. No humans are harmed in this game.
>>323798709
>You will never work for N'o
Who was correct in this situation, censorbros???
>>323814130
How can fiction harm humans?
>>323804323
I thought child pornography was illegal, you fucking pedo
>>323800770
Nintendo is dead to me
>>323816713
child pornography produced for the use of sexual reasons is not artwork. open up a medical anatomy book sometime, notice its got "child porn" in it.
>>323814559
something something bible something something circumcision
>>323798709
you get nintendo to stop hiring people like this
>>323799226
>b-b-but it was just the minors i swear
fuck off
>>323814559
Paper cuts, duh
>>323814130
>ITS CENSORSHIP WHEN ITS SOMETHING WE LIKE
crybullies are pathetic
>>323816713
it is. drawings aren't child pornography
child porn laws exist to protect kids. no child is harmed by a fucking drawing of a fictional character
first you gotta argue to me that all censorship is bad censorship. start with how ponies and pol should be allowed here on /v/
>>323817713
what does the original look like?
>>323818715
>>323817713
learn nippon and import games.
You will spend more money but at-least you will not get these censorship people to cut shit from your vidya, plus people actually defending this shit.
I will only spend money on Japanese nintendo released games.
>>323818818
is this a pic for ants?
1. Don't buy censored games.
2. If you have to have it buy it used.
>>323819018
only ones i could find
>>323818932
They've started pre emptively censoring, like with #FE
>>323817713
>>323819360
I don't get how this shit upsets people...are these complaints just ironic?
>>323804623
>Which is why loli is banned in most of the world including many US states?
Why do you lie?
>>323819551
Censorship is bad. Always, not just when it's something you care about.
>>323819551
That set of armor takes a huge amount of time/effort to earn from what I understand.
Huge kick in the balls when the turn around and make it fugly.
>>323819551
>i dont care about this thing. why do other people care about it?
full retard
also this >>323819684 anon is spot on, it takes a long time to get the materials to craft the armor
multicultarism is only good when its from a culture they approve of, apparently
>>323819640
>>323819684
I can understand that part, but I don't really understand how anyone can (unironically) care how lewd their armor looks to begin with, seriously if you wanted lewds there's an entire internet to explore for it.
>>323819361
with many more games dude.
It all started when the feminism shit started to get momentum.
>>323798709
delete this
>>323819859
>I don't really understand how anyone can (unironically) care about something I don't care about
I think you might have legit autism bro.
>>323819859
>I don't really understand how anyone can (unironically) care how lewd their armor looks to begin with
because its possible for people to care about things that you dont care about?
>>323798709
You can't. Unless you think every country will have similar ideas regarding sex and violence being allowed for a specific audience. Better to just get the original version and learn a new language, becuase censorship will not stop anytime soon
Also
>forgetting every Sony, microsoft, Valve, and any Western game localized for Japan that all get censored as well
>>323819360
You see more at a pool or beach, who thought that teenagers and adults shouldn't see this?
As for the underage character, same shit, teenage girls also wear bikinis at the beach, we all see this throughout our lives from when we are children to adults but it somehow becomes too much of an issue in a videogame?
I don't understand these puritans.
>>323817586
I've always wondered what kind of man can be with such a condescending woman that sees men in such a way, why?
When there are so many other women that won't.
>>323819859
.Have you heard of the term let them take an inch later they will take a mile?
>>323820104
>You see more at a pool or beach, who thought that teenagers and adults shouldn't see this?
yeah it really doesnt make much sense, especially since Irina, Elma and all of the female characters besides Lin are in their 20s.
>>323819551
Dialogue changes, costume removals and changes, why would you think that people being upset is ironic?
Honestly.
You see people complaining about the removal of skimpy clothes or boobs, because thats the biggest things currently being censored. But allowing those to be censored just makes it that much more likely that MORE things will be censored. Things you might care about.
The rating system exist. Inform people whats in the game. If they think its not for them they can move on or choose not to use it. But to deny them the option? Why? Because its against your morals? What if its not against theirs?
>>323820104
I really dont understand it either. I also don't understand how she doesn't realize that she's being a massive hypocrite. Her pinned tweet is saying that everyone should practice femininity positivity, while she's simultaneously shaming men who want to be masculine. It takes some serious cognitive dissonance to pull that off.
Her husband is a literal cuck, btw. They're in a "polyamorous" relationship. She tweets all the time about how she's sleeping over at other guys' houses.
>>323819859
Tell that to NoA and why they bothered to change it in the first place.
The conversation should start with addressing what they did and why and work from there, instead of backwards at the end and act like only they care about this when, the fact that the change occurred is proof that other care enough too.
>>323820039
>>323820057
>>323819803
let me clarify, as I think your reading comprehension missed it. I get how the censorship is unjust, and ergo objectively a bad thing, but I fail to see how it warrants this much butthurt over it. Heck, there's other outfits still in the game that are more revealing.
>>323820197
>muh slippery slope fallacy
As far as I'm aware the reason for the censorship was simple: they wanted to keep the age-ranting lower in the west to broaden the appeal, I highly doubt any future censorship would go much further than we've seen here due to this reason.
>>323820275
>Dialogue changes
okay now this aspect I didn't even know about as everyone cries over the fact they can't put Lyn in a skimpy bikini, what was changed in the dialogue? Anything major?
Also nice application of the slippery slope fallacy again (see above)
>>323820589
>Heck, there's other outfits still in the game that are more revealing.
If there are other costumes that are just as revealing or more, why bother censoring it in the first place?
NoA should be the one answering these questions.
>>323820589
>I fail to see how
Because you're autistic
I don't care about fighting games, but if one day they were banned because beating up people is bad I wouldn't go
>why are you butthurt about this? Who cares about fighting games? I don't so nobody can
>>323820752
The fact is I don't think we know (or, at least I've been unable to find out), but it's possible it was just an oversight.
>>323820796
Okay you're not even trying to stay relevant to the subject, call me autistic all you like but attack my arguments, not myself.
>>323820383
>Nintendo is a family friendly company!!! That's why they have to censor!!!
>hires sexual degenerates who tell the world about their escapades on twitter where any child can read it
>>323820874
>I don't care about skimpy costumes so why do people care if they're removed?
This is you.
>>323820907
>complain they shouldnt censor
>complain when they dont censor
>>323820961
that's not what I said, see:
>>323820589
>I get how the censorship is unjust, and ergo objectively a bad thing, but I fail to see how it warrants this much butthurt over it. Heck, there's other outfits still in the game that are more revealing.
Anons here act like this is the worst change to the game, when the apparent dialogue changes (that I've never seen fucking mentioned in these threads even though I try asking every time) sound like they'd have more impact to the actual game.
I'm not saying you're wrong, as I don't much care for the costume censorship, it's a minor bummer for me at most (I can just lookup what they'd look like, it's just an outfit afterall and has no impact on gameplay/story)
>>323820197
If that were true then censorship would be a lot worse considering most people didn't even know about most of the censorship vidya had gotten in the 80's/90's.
This just seems like a bunch of /v/irgins circlejerking about another perceived threat by feminism.
There's not much you can really do besides not buy the game or complain about it on twitter, because companies actually do pay attention to that stuff.
Sadly, SJWs are infinitely louder on social media than people like us who would prefer a game be released unaltered.
Also, cake pops are hella good but they're like 400 calories and you eat em in like a second
>>323821221
People who aren't you care about the skimpy costumes and are pissed that Nintendo removed them. I don't see anything weird.
>>323821120
>it's okay for Nintendo to have a false sense of superiority and lord it over people while their employees tell the whole world about how many men they slept with last week
>>323820589
its a slippery slope.
Also didn't NOA state that the only ones interested in game would already get it?
If you don't understand how niche these games are in the age we are living in, they are so niche that no one other than fans of jrpgs are buying them. A random guy will not pick this game up, hell they have not even picked up a Wii U.
FF15 has more market appeal than this game would ever have.
>>323820907
>>323820104
She's also the one who compiles "harassing" comments towards her from 4chan and other sites and copy/pastes them into a google doc and posts it on twitter to prove that women get more hate online.
Keep in mind that she doesn't screenshot or provide the source for these comments, so for all we know she could just be making these up herself and then posting it online.
>>323820589
Religious references changes / removed (though not all), Doll (the mechs) changed to Skell, a few other small things I forget. Theres a few memes I've seen in the game as well about "do you even lift?" and such. I can't recall it all off the top of my head. I don't think it takes the story in any different direction or gives it new meaning, but its still fucking stupid and infuriating. Add this on top of costume censorship and its just ridiculous.
I also forgot they omitted the breast slider character customization option. Like really? They are deleting parts of character customization because someone what? Might make a big breasted character? Or does Nintendo just think breasts are a one size type of deal IRL?
Also in regards with
>they wanted to keep the age-ranting lower in the west to broaden the appeal, I highly doubt any future censorship would go much further than we've seen here due to this reason.
Its highly unlikely that the costume would bump the age rating up. Other characters use these costumes with the exception of the ones that were completely deleted, and even those don't show much more skin, if anymore at all.
And if you want to talk about future censorship then consider Fatal Frame. Regardless of what you think of the game itself, good or bad, why did they censor that then? And they did blatantly censor it. This game was rated M for the get go. It didn't even drop in rating after its censorship. A game targeted at adults, censored because they don't want those adults to look at pixel boobs on a screen.
Sorry if you don't agree with me mate. If you think Nintendo's censorship is a good thing then more power to you, keep buying their games. I however skipped Fatal Frame over it, I skipped Xenoblade Chronicles X over it, I'll skip Fire Emblem Fates over it as well should they choose to censor it, and any future games they continue to shove some censorship onto. I'm already dearly afraid for Bravely Default 2 as well.
>>323821387
Who are you to tell someone what they can and cannot post online?
>>323821560
Why do you fags keep regurgitating images like this.
Some of these examples aren't even censored for crying out loud.
>>323817586
This bitch is legitimately insane. During christmas she kept sharing this list of things that she wanted people to buy for her on twitter (like donors to her streams and stuff) and one time some random tweeted at her saying it was childish to ask people to buy her shit like that. She then went on some passive aggressive rant for several tweets (not tweeting at him, just in general) saying things like "ohh well its christmas but everybody remember ITS CHILDISH TO ASK PEOPLE TO BUY YOU THINGS" and other tripe like that.
Like, anyone who's a professional would know that you just ignore hecklers. But no, she has to go on some immature butthurt rant and prove the guy right in the process. How the fuck do people like her get hired by anyone?
>>323798913
>B) Rally against the laws in your country that are forcing the localisation team to do this
This is retarded since the censorship is mainly to cater for Western cultural norms. The mainstream audience that Nintendo is appealing to don't care about the censorship, and in fact fully welcome it. Until you change that mindset, then localization teams will continue doing this. And being angry about it on forums like this and nichegamer aren't going to change shit, because you're a niche audience.
>>323818932
>learn nippon and import
>doesn't even know that Chronicles X was censored when they penned the script to get a lower CERO rating
So you support japanese censorship, good to know. Did you really think going full german and having all the humans as robots, removing blood entirely, and NPC deaths done out of frame was a stylistic choice?
>>323821385
so what are you thoughts on:
>there's other outfits still in the game that are more revealing.
?
>>323821478
>its a slippery slope.
As it stands, this assertion can neither be proven or disproven, so I don't know why so many anons here assume this stance given that, by nature, they can't at all know if censorship will get worse or better. It's possible that the negative reaction online could reduce censorship in future, but it's just as possible the reverse could happen
>>323821560
Okay, so why are people in these threads focusing on 'muh skimpy outfits' instead of this? As this does sound pretty bullshit (assuming it's true) and I can't see the justification for most of it, jesus christ is /v/ just full of thirsty perverts?
Oh well, not like there's anything you can really do about it - choices are to ignore the game completely (which, if the rest of the content is sound, you probably don't want to do), or learn Japanese.
>If you think Nintendo's censorship is a good thing then more power to you
what? I never at all said this, it wasn't even implied by my posts in the slightest.
As a side note I'm unaware of the Fatal Frame censorship as I've no interest in the series.
>>323821231
Its the time of the internet so its more easy to spot this shit.
Also, its already bad since its a niche game and when you drive a small percentage of a potential consumer from that niche game, because of puritan values of certain companies and translation houses, its not only a bad idea. Do you think they will get more consumers?
>>323822221
>Did you really think going full german and having all the humans as robots,
way to prove you didn't play the game. Humans being Mims is a major plot point, not some afterthought.
Humans being robots is also a consistent them across many xeno games, dumb fuck.
>>323821609
>leave Cuckison alone! She dindu nuffin!
You mean like you are trying to do right now?
>>323822253
>so what are you thoughts on:
>>there's other outfits still in the game that are more revealing.
Not that guy but if they are more revealing outfits, why censor the fundoshi in the first place? NoA needs to be the one to answer these questions, not working backwards. They clearly cared about it enough to censor it.
>>323821387
actually, yes. yes it is. content creator dictates all terms and conditions of its own content. you cant argue that the makers of hatred can do whatever they hell they want, then turn around and tell some other company they cant. cant have it both ways. again, if censorship is always bad, why arnt you arguing for ponies and pol to be allowed on /v/? thats...censorship, isnt it?
>>323822343
did i actually stop you from doing anything? do i have any power over you?
>>323822253
Other people (not necessarily me, i don't even have a Wii U yet) want all the skimpy costumes, not just some. If the devs put them in the game, I would want to have them all. Nobody should have the right to choose what I can or can't see and enjoy (as long as it's legal I guess).
>>323822656
did he actually stop allison from posting anything? does he have any power over her?
>>323822523
see >>323820874
basically I've no idea, I don't think anyone knows. Could be an oversight on their part during censorship.
>>323822527
So let me get this straight, Nintendo censors their games because they are a family friendly company, but their employees representing them on twitter can post whatever explicit garbage they feel like?
And ponies are allowed here, otherwise we wouldn't have Nintenbronies like you who defend your cuckmasters over every fuck up they make.
>>323822527
ponies aren't videogames or politics, I don't see your point.
>>323822709
Yeah, I get that, I was only saying I didn't see why this was (and still is) always the focus when the censored dialogue and changed to religious aspects of the game seem far more important* with regards to how it impacts the game.
*in the sense they impact the actual story of the game, as opposed to costumes which are purely cosmetic (and generally unnoticeable during gameplay, you'd only get a closer look at them as you put them on)
>>323823019
>changed to
oops, ignore the 'to'
>>323822869
yeap. they sure make some shittttty decisions, nintendo, decisions they are completely allowed to make. since we agree, what else should we talk about?
>>323822978
its the owner of something, dictating what is, or isnt done with their own product. censorship, apparently, inline with our current discussion. if moot or hiroshima is allowed to do it, why isnt nintendo?
>>323822221
How should I know I played it when it came out in April and played it trough the summer.
Reminder these daily threads are made by shiteating gaf console warriors.
>>323806213
Makes sense.
It is just part of localization like renaming characters, foods, or locations.
>>323823242
Actually they are made by jilted ex-Nintendo fans who are disappointed with the direction the company has taken
Epic bogeyman though
>>323822285
>Its the time of the internet so its more easy to spot this shit.
Irrelevant.
If anything, censorship should've been more widespread back in the day since random autists couldn't comb the internet just to find reasons to shit on overall decent games.
You just proved that your argument has no merit, good job fag.
>Also, its already bad since its a niche game and when you drive a small percentage of a potential consumer from that niche game, because of puritan values of certain companies and translation houses, its not only a bad idea.
Again, irrelevant.
Games will always market themselves towards the group that offers the most money, even if the number of people who'll actually buy it is much less than the number of people who were fans from the start.
It's a sad state of affairs but if a company believes that they could earn 2 sales as opposed to 1, that's enough reason for them to continue doing what they're doing.
>Do you think they will get more consumers?
If it's the difference between earning 50k sales from 100k potentials and earning 50k sales from a million potential customers, it's enough of a risk for most customers to take, especially if they market it correctly, which most games that "flopped" suffered from.
Nobody cares if an outfit or two got removed but most people aren't going to buy anything that they don't even know about, which is why games like fatal frame and #FE are flopping as hard as they were.
Don't believe me? How many commercials for them have you seen on television or online?
>>323823019
they didn't really change any religious aspects. MS stated before release that this wouldn't have as grand themes as previous games, and the religious stuff like the Bringer of Miracles sidequest and Hope's dialogue is still there
the costumes that were censored (aside from lin of course) were only changed because of the prudish feminists at NoA.
>>323798709
Why should they stop? Removing anything even something completely unconsequential get them free marketing all over the web. And as a bonus they will appear family friendly.
>>323823397
>were only changed because of the prudish feminists at NoA.
and we know this or is this just the dank thing to say around here?I hate feminist bullshit as much as any other anon, I just get sick of seeing it referenced as the problem when there's no proof it's the source
>Chinese government censors all news about workers' struggle in China
LOL WHO CARES
>The state of Israel covers up all news about the genocide going on in Gaza and the West Bank
LOL WHO CARES
>French government censors all news about military intervention in Mali, in addition to banning public gatherings
LOL WHO CARES
>EU governments, along with Frontex and Europol, silence journalists trying to get pictures of the inside of refugee concentration camps
LOL WHO CARES
>a computer-rendered ass is covered by a computer-rendered piece of cloth that's 50 pixels longer
CENSORSHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP
>>323817586
>queer
>married to a guy
She is wrong about everything other than pointing out than the bit about how men aren't being opressed when they are told they can't do feminine things. Men are told they can't do feminine things because feminine things are considered inferior by society. She is right. If a man lower himself to the level of a woman by doing feminine things he is devaluing himself.
>>323798709
>mad that they censored a skimpy bikini on a 13 year old
Nintendo censor threads confirmed for pedophile containment thread
>>323823708
Welcome to /v/ - Video games
I think you're looking for /pol/
>>323823708
This desu, although I didn't put it as bluntly, but my god the '/v/ is full of teens' is too real, seriously only horny teenagers that don't know porn exists could possibly care. fuck.
>>323821969
It says honorable mention next to the ones that aren't actually censored. Notice those tend to be at the top in in 2012 before it started getting big, and as it goes on it turns to actual censorship. Weird how that seems to be huh?
>Okay, so why are people in these threads focusing on 'muh skimpy outfits' instead of this?
Because Skimpy clothes and "sexual content" are the things most often censored. You notice how that image almost solely revolves around sexual content? Thats what people are flipping out over and getting pissed about, thus resulting in the censorship of it too.
People do get upset about dialogue and story changes as well. Though nearly anytime its brought up in Fire Emblem threads for its potential and previous censorship in Awakening people constantly bring up the dialogue changes. And while the story doesn't change drastically from these things, it does changes the way people see some characters. To the point where apparently there is a translation patch in progress from what I hear, but I don't know too much about it.
And trust me dialogue changes piss me off too. To be frank the name change from "Doll" to "Skell" probably bothered me far more than it really should have. Imo, censorship is bad. And it just so happens that Tits and Ass are the current major targets of censorship.
>I'm unaware of the Fatal Frame censorship as I've no interest in the series.
There was some skimpy costumes that you could choose to wear after completing certain points in the game, or even finishing it. One is a costume used in a cut scene in the game as the MC used to be a gravure model (Young bikini models basically, maybe slightly more risque) and is ashamed of it, thus fitting some of the games themes. Not only was the optional costume removed from the selection of players, but also from the cutscene she is modeling in. While the story could still make sense without it, its just very odd to see.
>>323823708
But I don't live in any of those places.
>>323823708
You are right! Lets just ignore all our problems not just some!
>>323823367
Nah, not really.
Back to neogaf retarded spammer.
>>323823790
feminine stuff isn't considered inferior by society anymore. Its not fucking 1950. Stuff like the "run like a girl" commercial from the superbowl last year gets universal praise. Women aren't considered inferior.
Also, the people who considered feminine men inferior or "not real men" are mostly women. pic related.
>>323823967
>muh censored panties is a real issue guise honest!
>>323823708
I know this might anger you, but they're all equally important, because computer-rendered ass censorship leads a government to believe it can censor more and more things.
Also, welcome to /v/ - video games. We care about video games here.
What you're looking for is /pol/
It's that way
>>>/pol/
>>323798709
You cant.
Its a necessary evil.
>>323823708
>LITERALLY complaining we are are talking about vidya on the vidya board
>>323823367
Nintendo fans know there's a difference between Nintendo and NOA.
You're just wasting your grotesque existence thinking these threads will sell sony electronics.
>>323823367
anyone that's played the game has pointed out repeatedly that those complaining haven't even played the games at all, you've just got to pay some attention to figure that out.
>>323824057
>I don't care about it so nobody should!!
>>323823708
>>323823878
why would we discuss those on a video games board? you must be a special kind of retard. go to /pol/ if you'd like to discuss those.
>>323824206
but isnt that
censorship
>>323824197
you are trying to justify your lust for a 13 year old to be able to be equipped with a skimpy bikini, assess your life anon.
>>323824206
I think their point was that nobody but shitposters that don't even play the games seem to actually care, so the post was mocking them. This garbage shouldn't be posted daily.
>>323823708
>>323823878
>>Chinese government censors all news about workers' struggle in China
>LOL WHO CARES
We aren't Chinese and aren't living in China.
>>The state of Israel covers up all news about the genocide going on in Gaza and the West Bank
>LOL WHO CARES
We aren't Israeli and aren't living in Israel
>French government censors all news about military intervention in Mali, in addition to banning public gatherings
>LOL WHO CARES
We aren't French and aren't living in France (Most of us)
>
>EU governments, along with Frontex and Europol, silence journalists trying to get pictures of the inside of refugee concentration camps
>LOL WHO CARES
Now since you've hit Europe where a lot of us are from I can finally tell you that this is a video game board, where we talk about video games and the video games industry. Would you like to know whats not video games??
As an aside, most of us probably do care when things other than games are censored. I know I do, but I can't fight battles for the Chinese against their government. I'm not from Chinese and I don't live in China.
>>323824423
No.
>>323824423
It is, but it has nothing to do with video games.
>>323824067
>slippery slope fallacy
The government DOES believe it can censor more and more things.
Just not for the reasons you believe.
Mobilizing against that is important. However, there are better, more important things than censored ass to mobilize for, if you care about vidya.
>>323822253
Sorry meant to reply to you in this comment. >>323823931
>>323824467
I don't need to justify anything. The devs put the costumes in the game, I want to see them when I play it. As simple as that.
>>323824467
you realize there was more censored than just Lin, right? the breast slider for character creation was removed, as well as >>323819360
>>323817713
>>323818818
>>323824472
oh thanks for agreeing. content creators can dictate whatever they want with their own content. if they change it to appeal to a larger demographic, like, /v/ being a safe for work board ( to appeal to a larger demographic ) , they can
>>323824702
>apples are round
>oranges are round too
>so they're the same thing!
>>323798709
Stop supporting the censored products
So many of you faggots are well aware of it and are like "lol still gonna buy it."
>>323824702
Shifting goal posts doesn't win you arguments.
Its possible to discuss this without shit posting you know?
>>323824702
it IS censorship, but it has nothing to do with video games, so why the fuck would we be discussing it here? Fuck off retard
>Nintendo of Europe butchers Project Zero 2 Wii Edition making it worse than the PS2 release
>not a single thread
>Fatal Frame 5 has a costume changed
>everyone starts being retarded
>>323798709
>How do we stop censorship? Mainly Nintendo since they are the only ones that censor games nowadays.
>CApcom
>>323824702
>content creators
NoA didn't create anything. And anyway, self censorship is just as bad.
>>323824806
neither does not actually disputing the argument.
>>323824912
neither does not actually disputing the argument.
>>323824924
so its not okay, cept when it is okay
>>323824995
neither did hiroshima, which is why i mentioned him. ownership, or the right to change shit, was handed to him, like ownership/right to change shit, was handed to NoA
>>323824538
The thing is, we don't live in those countries. "Standing in solidarity" does zip unless those people stand up themselves. Their governments sure as fuck don't give a shit what some vidya fags in the U.S., Canada, and Britain think about their policies. Posting your faggot opinion on 4chan and twitter does nothing either. You're not helping, you're just shitting up the internet because you probably disagree and want to censor vidya ass, but want to distract from that by saying we should all be focusing on something "more important."
If that was the case, we'd all have to be focusing on more important issues than whatever we're arguing about, because the most important issues, like why we're here on earth or what are we doing, will trump all other issues.
If you want to talk fallacies, your entire argument is one. It's a fallacy of relative privation.
>>323824674
I know, I was just being facetious as to point out those that do care about the actual issue at hand as opposed to those that are just here to shitpost.
The costume censorship just doesn't fucking matter, it may matter to you personally if you were that desperate to ogle at the characters in skimpy clothing, but changes to dialogue or story and gameplay (or at least interactive elements) would matter, yet go unmentioned in these threads; funny, that.
>>323824907
if you want to play the game what's the alternative?
>>323825073
>, cept when it is okay
No one said it was okay. The VIDEO GAMES board isn't the place to discuss things unrelated to video games, like worker's rights in china. I can tell you're just shitposting and baiting now.
>>323825252
right and NoA has decided its american section of vidya, shouldnt have certain content, just like 4chan has decided, its vidya section, shouldnt have certain content
>>323798709
>business makes decision about game that it thinks will increase sales in another region
>CENSORSHIP FUCKING SJWs FUCKING FEMINISTS
do you realise how stupid this is?
to nintendo and other big Game corporations, games are not Art, they are not messages about a topic
they are products. that have sales targets, that have hundreds of staff to keep hired.
games are going to be censored as long as they cost money to make.
>>323825158
>The costume censorship just doesn't fucking matter
It doesn't matter to you.
>but changes to dialogue or story and
gameplay (or at least interactive elements) would matter, yet go unmentioned in these threads; funny, that.
Maybe because....there went any changes to dialogue or gameplay? Aside from shit like Dolls to Skells, which is annoying at best. Also, there are people complaining about name changes in this very thread dumb fuck.
>>323819551
Can someone explain to me why censorship apologists NEVER GET IT?
>You must be upset because of WHAT was censored, not the act itself
>>323825358
they can decide whatever they want. We're free to discuss the changes and call the changes what they are: fucking retarded.
All of your posts are literally "STOP CARING ABOUT THINGS I DONT CARE ABOUT"
>>323825158
>>323825419
to add on to this, the FE Fates amie thing has a chance of being removed, and you can bet your ass that people will be complaining about it if its removed. Hell, some people are already worried about it being removed.
>>323825459
>>323825419
You see that way, I see it that if there's no reason to care (i.e., if the censorship doesn't impact anything relevant to gameplay/story), why should I care at all?
Do you expect me to throw a fit over the lack of 2 specific skimpy outfits when (1) others are available; and (2) I didn't care about them in the first place...?
All these threads are a fucking joke I swear, yet another thread of /v/ retards crying over spilled milk.
>>323825459
>You must be upset because of WHAT was censored, not the act itself
Well that's true. All localisation is self-censorship. What the localizer reads and sees in a Japanese passage and what they decide to put in the game goes through their internal filters of what their perceived audience would find annoying/offensive/tacky etc.
So the thing that separates an acceptable localisation from an unacceptable one is WHAT was censored. Which, as you can imagine, is very subjective.
>>323825497
lol, no, my posts have been purely about how they are allowed to make stupid decisions, not if they are stupid, or not. as seen here:
>>323822527
>content creator dictates all terms and conditions of its own content. you cant argue that the makers of hatred can do whatever they hell they want, then turn around and tell some other company they cant.
im pro hatred doing whatever the fuck they want, because its THEIR game. and im acknowledging its hypocritical to turn around and tell other companies suddenly, they cant. this has nothing to do with me thinking its stupidwhich it is.
>>323825728
>Do you expect me to throw a fit over the lack of 2 specific skimpy outfits
I dont give a fuck what you do. Do whatever you want. People are free to complain about the changes if they want to. You don't have to be involved at all. If you dont see a problem with the changes then just dont fucking post about it instead of saying "I DONT CARE ABOUT THIS, WHY THE HELL DO YOU GUYS CARE ABOUT IT?!?!?" like a goddamn retard.
>>323825846
>my posts have been purely about how they are allowed to make stupid decisions
They are, I agree. And we are allowed to call those decisions stupid. Its called market feedback.
So, whats your fucking point?
>>323825459
Because none of you fags give a straight answer as to what counts as censorship, you keep spamming the catalog with this shit when it's not vidya, you're ultimately unwilling or unable to do anything of value to help your cause, and anyone who disagrees with you is lumped into the same category as SJWs even when the consensus is that getting mad over the equivalent of a sentence being removed from a 300 page novel is pretty fucking pointless when the overall game is unaffected and the argument basically boils down to an "us vs. them" mentality.
>>323825846
or atleast, theyve been handed the rights and permission of the original creator, to do so.
why does no one ever point this out? if the creators of the game didnt want this to happen, they wouldnt of handed it off to nintendo, or they would of dictated that these changes could not be made. is it NoA`s fault, or is it the creators?
>>323826015
that not all censorship is bad censorship. if i was to release some shitty hip hop album, and i decided to release a version with the swearing removed from it for certain markets, its not wrong of me.
>>323825924
I just came here to point out who the shitposters are vs. who actually cares, so far everyone I've seen complaining ITT pretty obviously have not played the games
In other words, these threads are just for shitposting's sake,so I'm shitting in it in return
>>323825728
>WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT THINGS THAT I DONT CARE ABOUT
Full retard. Stop posting anytime.
>>323826170
>so far everyone I've seen complaining ITT pretty obviously have not played the games
and how do you come to that conclusion?
>>323825723
Cutscenes were changed in the japanese release so they could get a CERO C rating.
Not a single person here is condemning japan over it.
>>323826170
>everyone I've seen complaining ITT pretty obviously have not played the games
Proof?
And how does that even matter anyway?
Are you saying that censorship is only bad when it concerns you directly?
>>323826126
>if i was to release some shitty hip hop album, and i decided to release a version with the swearing removed from it for certain markets, its not wrong of me.
You could do that, sure, and people would be free to call you a pussy for doing so. Market feedback.
>>323826314
>Cutscenes were changed in the japanese release so they could get a CERO C rating.
Let's see a source nigger.
>>323823242
Neogaf actually supports censorship though.
>>323826314
That is justified censorship
>>323826181
More like, "why waste time getting mad over a non-issue?"
I mean christ, never listen to creator commentary, it's full of instances where the creator removed something before it saw release and I'm afraid you'll legitimately die from a stress induced heart attack.
>>323826126
>that not all censorship is bad censorship.
Is this the new "improvement is not always good"?
>>323826126
oh wait let me elaborate. if someone had STOPPED them from doing it, it would be censorship, but if they chose themselves to do it, to appeal to a wider demographic, its not really censorship. censorship is by definition the suppression of unacceptable content, while its still available and easy to acquire completely uncensored. its not their obligation to make sure the content is available in your language, and its not censorship if they dont translate it for you
>>323826181
>shit he's right better call him a retard!
>>323826287
>>323826327
read the thread
>Are you saying that censorship is only bad when it concerns you directly?
Um, yes? How does it possibly matter to you if it doesn't concern you at all?
NOT ALLOWED IN THE WEST. TOO CONTROVERSIAL. SELL THE KIDS MORE GTA GAMES INSTEAD!
>>323826063
Any attempt to give a definition of censorship just results in a pointless back-and-forth about what the definition of that particular word rather than a discussion of the actual issue at hand. See any time someone linked to the dictionary definition. I've taken to calling it "heavy-handed" or "moralistic localization" to skip that whole song and dance.
>the consensus is that getting mad over the equivalent of a sentence being removed from a 300 page novel is pretty fucking pointless when the overall game is unaffected
Clearly that sort of thing doesn't bother you. I respect that. It does, however, bother me quite a bit. Would you be willing to respect that about me in turn?
>>323823372
Let me get this straight.
driving away some fans and only going after random joe whom plays cod and probably owns a ps4, since they don't buy a Wii U for a random JRPG game with robots in it.
That is a good marketing how?
But where is the 100k potential sales coming from, within your data?
I've only seen a decline in JRPGs in sales, the only one if you can say its a JRPG is a bloodborne or Dark Souls.
>>323826405
>"why waste time getting mad over a non-issue?"
why do you care so much about what other people do with their time?
>>323826441
>read the thread
that's not proof dumb ass.
I have Xenoblade X and have enjoyed it immensely, but the censorship is still really annoying. I want my waifus and husbandos in fundoshis.
>>323826559
>that's not proof dumb ass.
the proof is literally in the thread, I'm not spoonfeeding a blatant shitposter that doesn't actually care or know about the games
>>323826314
And the game sold like shit because the japs weren't too happy with that
>>323824003
>>323824131
>>323824173
Epic shitposting
My first console was an NES, I've probably been playing Nintendo games for longer than you've been alive.
>>323826406
in that what an improvement is, is purely opinion and undefinable? sure.
>>323826696
>Epic shitposting
Oh the ironing!
>>323826441
So you're literally saying that censorship is only bad when it affects something you care about? Nice mindset.
>>323826519
Eh, sure why not?
How people waste their time is of no importance to me, I just come into threads like these just to argue anyways.
Kudos for being open-minded though, it's pretty rare seeing another anon being reasonable and shit.
>>323826649
So you dont have any proof, thanks for admitting it.
>>323826396
The Making of Fire Emblem 25TH Anniversary Book talks about changes that were done to Fates during development directly citing CERO regulations.
Brush up on those moonrunes nigger.
>>323826759
>I can't refute him so I will shitpost more
Nice shitpost faggot kid, is this how all Neotendo fans act? You must be underage.
>>323826776
Yes, see >>323825830
Censorship that makes something easier to consume for the target audience (e.g. lowering Lin's voice in pitch) can be a very good thing.
>lol why do you care, it doesn't affect gameplay
If it's so minor why can't those who don't like skimpy costumes just ignore them? Why do they have to remove them if they're such a minor element?
>>323826776
well, why are you here arguing about game censorship when theres VASTLY more important things to be fighting agaisnt RIGHT NOW
well, because, you dont care about them
>>323826797
>I just come into threads like these just to argue anyways.
Nice job being a cocksucker shitter on purpose
>>323826968
Because pervert something objectified women something something
>>323826776
no, it's only bad what it affects something that more than 5 perverts care about, the rest is just shitposting.
>>323826809
I'm just too lazy, but it is here. Problem is you'd only notice if you have played the games anyway, so a shitposter asking this question won't notice anyway.
how about >>323822337 as an example
>>323826924
>my shitposting doesn't count because reasons
this isfun
>>323826979
That doesn't make it good though.
Shit like this is and region locking is why Nintendo deserves to have their consoles broken open.
>>323826871
Still not a source, post a scan or fuck off
>>323827081
Says the pathetic faggot who has been shitposting all day on this thread.
Get a life, loser.
>>323826797
That's more than good enough for me, friend. And to be fair, I can totally see how seeing "censorship!" in the thread title every goddamn time you refresh page would get annoying pretty fast if it wasn't an issue you cared about.
Still, arguing impotently about video games instead of bettering ourselves is what we're all here for, I guess. Have fun.
>>323827082
hmm, true
>>323827081
How exactly is that post wrong? Go on, explain it. I've played XCX and he's completely right about the mims. Dumb fuck.
>>323826556
>That is a good marketing how?
Keep in mind, I'm not saying it was marketed correctly.
I don't recall seeing a single commercial for XCX on television, the game itself marketed itself as being open-world with mechs but you don't even get mechs until after you jump through some hoops, it has MMO style combat which can turn off a lot of people, and the character designs can sometimes be too much for people who are just getting into the series and shit.
With this in mind, it's no surprise that people ignored it, but that has nothing to do with it being "censored" but everything to do with Nintendo not knowing how to market their non-1st party IPs that aren't Mario or LoZ.
>But where is the 100k potential sales coming from, within your data?
I'm not a marketer from Nintendo, I was just using that number as an example.
>I've only seen a decline in JRPGs in sales, the only one if you can say its a JRPG is a bloodborne or Dark Souls.
I think that's more due to a lack of decent marketing than censorship though.
>>323827229
same to you:^)
I'm just here for the bantz, you seem genuinely butthurt
>>323827325
>damage control settings to max
