Name a first-person shooter that is better than Doom.
PROTIP:There isn't one.
>>323717171
Perfect Dark
Duke 3D
dodging fireballs is pretty fun
why are there not more fireball dodging games?
Quake
Quake.
>>323717171
Wolfenstein.
>>323717353
Also this.
>>323717379
Touhou
>>323717448
>>323717494
I fucking love Quake and all, but I think Doom's mod community pushes it ahead
Russian Overkill. It's like Doom but you gradually turn into a final boss.
Chex Quest
>>323717448
>>323717494
doesnt feel as good as doom
i can sit and play doom for hours, i get bored of quakes engine after a while
>>323717171
Quake
>>323717171
Wolfenstein
Team Fortress 2before it went to shit
>>323717171
Shadow warrior
Doom II
>>323717898
>>doesnt feel as good as doom
>
>i can sit and play doom for hours, i get bored of quakes engine after a while
I find the running in doom to be very annoying, you constantly bob up and down like youre on some kind of ship and the 2d really fucks up my spatial awereness, I can memorise a quake map in few playthroughs but with doom its just horrible
>>323717171
Serious sam
Painkiller
Quake
Fear
duke nukem 3d
turok
>>323717260COVER MY ASS
unreal
>>323718219
install a source port and turn off view bob
>>323717171
Doom 2
Duke 3D
Blood
Hexen
Thought to be fair they are all in the same league.
>>323717171
>>323717171
>better than Doom.
Doom II
Serious Sam
>>323717171
The original Call of Duty.
>>323718972
Doom 2's level design is hot garbage.
You can install any fan made wad an it'd be better than Doom 2.
>>323717260
/thread
>>323717171
Hexen, Douk, and Unreal
>>323717171
Halo
>>323717171
I like shooters that don't waste time forcing me to navigate a maze, Duke will always be better
>>323717171
You can play only 1 FPS ever again... Would you pick Doom?
>>323720506
Of course!
>>323720506
Yes
>>323717171
Duke Nukem 3D
>>323717578
>b-but the m-mods!
Yeah, if you install enough of them, Doom is almost as good as Quake!
>>323718972
doom 2 has shit level design
remember tricks and traps?
>>323720506
What about doom mods?
>>323721254
Not allowed
>>323717171
Blood
>>323721307
Eh, I'd probably still go with Doom then. Even though I'd miss the super shotgun and doom 2's new monsters.
>>323721013
Remember The Pit?
>>323721013
>>323721917
remember the chasm?
>>323722175
Remember the spirit world?
My biggest complaint about Doom is the worst songs in the soundtrack are the ones that play the most.
>>323717171
Hexen
>>323717171
Blood
>>323722561
spirit world was ok.
>>323717171
Quake, Blood, Plutonia
honestly doom 1 fucking sucks and is boring as fuck in comparison. only ultimate doom e4 is good, rest of the game is a snore
>>323717672
Mai nigga
I'm disappointed nobody has said Deus Ex.
>>323723157
>doom 1 fucking sucks and is boring as fuck in comparison. only ultimate doom e4 is good,
>>323717379
Wrack has no hitscan enemies, and is made by the former Skulltag dev Carnevil. Has some scoring system too, though while obviously not as good it's as close as a modern release can get to Doom from what I've seen.
Bobby Prince did the soundtrack for it as well.
>>323722609
Doom 2's music is much more ambient-style and I think it's overall weaker
>>323720867
Quake doesn't have Hell Revealed, Sunder, Speed of Doom, or Scythe
>>323720506
no. Dooms overrated as fuck
>>323717171
D E S C E N T
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrHAMzV_OII
>>323723157
>Doom 1 sucks
But it was way better than Doom 2, especially its level design.
>>323723679
nice meme
keep parroting kiddo
>>323723979
>>323723240
DX isnt really a balls to the wall shooter like doom
>>323717171
Call of Duty : Advanced Warfare
>>323724067
>posts more memes
lel hope you were going for intentional irony there retard
>>323724185
>le u so mad lolol
>>323718128
I agree
>>323717171
![Spider_Mastermind_model[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jsns85P.jpg "Spider_Mastermind_model[1].jpg")
Why aren't games made with practical effects anymore?
>>323724878
>>323723671
These.
DOOM 64
>ctrl + f
>Half-Life
>0 results
>>323717171
Sims 3
>>323725468
That's not exactly a pure, action-oriented FPS though is it?
It's very narrative-oriented
>>323723671
Looks like shit
You can't judge a game by its mods. It's like saying that Harry Potter is better than the Quixote because it has a lot of varied fanfiction you like. It's fine you like it, but when judging the 2 works (Quixote and Harry Potter), you should be evaluating the works themselves, not what other people have made with them.
Same for video games. It's like saying Warcraft 3 was a good RTS because they had a blast playing custom maps.
>>323725468
there are cutscenes but you're never taken out of first person view, and the non action sequences are basically just "Gordon you gotta go do a thing but there's probably going to be aliens/marines/maphazards, goodluck."
>>323725217
Because games themselves are no longer practical.
>>323725591
It had virtually the same graphical detail as DooM, but the enemies were actually polygonal instead of sprites.
Not that that mattered - Descent was fucking awesome because you had full 6DoF movement.
>>323725769
shit mean to reply to>>323725524
>>323717171
Halo 3
>all these plebs
People just can't seem to make good enemy design. Out of all shooters, Doom still comes on top in that regard by a considerable margin. It's weighty but fast movement hasn't really been topped by other games for single player, the only thing that might be an improvement would be to add a weighty jump with little air strafe, but only maybe. The type of level design, abstract visual design, and satisfying music to kill to, and how it plays out when there's tons of enemies to fight isn't really capture in any other shooter.
That being said, Quake 1 is still the best multiplayer shooter, all Quakes after 1 were a mistake, it's all garbage. Only Quake 2 single player was okay. Railgun was a mistake, no air strafe was a mistake, Q3A Shotgun was a mistake. Quake Lives netcode is garbage.
Brutal Doom. It is the same as the original in spirit but imroved with
> aiming on all axis
> jumping
> NPC companions
> hitboxes
> minor stealth mechanics
> all weapons redesigned
> rethought weapon system, no progression instead actual balance
> more sprites in everything
> rebalanced enemies, all of them buffed
> every single original level remade into a brutal doom level to suit its mechanics plus secret duke nukem level and more
> and a cruelty mechanic is added too
>>323717171
Brutal Doom
>>323725468
for a reason
>>323725468
literally ruined the FPS genre
>>323722175
holy shit that's a cute dog
Blood and duke3d are the epitome of fun fps games
>>323720506
probably, yes
painkiller would tempt me though
>>323717171
>>323726074
>>323726084
be careful anons you'll wake /vr/ up
>>323717171
Brutal Doom.
>>323726074
>>323726084
>aiming on all axis
>jumping
>NPC companions
>hitboxes
>minor stealth mechanics
you BD fags are embarrassing.
>>323721013
>shit level design
>tricks and traps?
>>323717171
Doom II
Quake
Quake II
Quake III Arena (MP)
Team Fortress 2 (MP)
>>323727021
>aiming on all axis
Literally nothing wrong with that.
Rest is shit.
>>323717448
>>323717494
Maybe 3 but not 1
>>323717353
Arguable
>>323717260
FPS games don't work on a console fagboy, especially not with one that has a controller like the N64
>>323717569
Wolfenstein is bland as fuck
>>323718086
Not even close nigga
>>323718128
Fair enough
>>323718487
You fucking wish
>>323719851
No, CoD2 is better anyways
>>323720207
b8
>>323727038
>clear one room at a time: the level
Not even level design at that point.
>>323727652
>features of the sourceport used
>>323727902
tricks and traps is just nonsense
not a bad level but the last room has a lava pit you can't escape from so yeah that's pretty bad.
>>323717171
Quake
I can't. Here's hoping the new one is good.
>>323728346
>features of the sourceport used
But it changes nothing in game and allows you a more comfortable experience while playing.
Which doom mod has the best atmosphere? I miss being stuck on another planet/ hell
>>323728609
Doom 64
>>323726010
ET:QW was bretty good.
>>323723157
>Plutonia
If only you had said TNT I could have agreed with you, but Plutonia is the epitome of bullshit that you either HAVE to know its coming or savescum like hell to avoid it if you don't want to die to cheap shit over and over again.
>>323717171
>>323717171
PS1/Saturn version of Powerslave/Exhumed
PC version was a shit Doom clone, console was Metroid Prime before Metroid Prime.
>>323727894
>thinks Quake 3 is better than one
Shit taste confirmed, rest of your list guaranteed void. Do you actually enjoy constant peak railing, made even worse by the limited maneuverability compared to Quake 1? Nades and shotgun are also poorly executed compared to their Quake 2 counterparts. Watch high level TDM and Duel gameplay of 1, and compare it to 3 to see what I mean.
>>323726312
I seriously don't understand positive opinions of Painkiller. Honestly. I played it through one time, with no knowledge of it or its reception, and it was gruelling. Generic worlds and enemies, bosses revolving around stupid puzzle gimmicks, (especially the last boss, holy shit) and gameplay that just felt like off-brand Quake. And the beauty of the series is that every game after the first manages to be worse. I doubt even the fans could think the sequels were good. Not even shotposting, I genuinely can't comprehend why I only see praise for those games whenever they're brought up.
>>323728808
Final Doom as a whole is shit.
>>323725468
I have come to correct this atrocity.
>>323728528
>no strafe running
>no wall running
>console focus
>loadouts
>need i go on
theres no hope, dont buy on release, wait until fans inevitably have to make yet another bethesda published game good
>>323728931
>Quake 2
Meant 1.
>>323729084
>loadouts
?????
>>323729245
you can only have two weapons in multiplayer, and these weapons are determined by the loadout you choose before you spawn
wouldn't want controllerbros to have to sift through a list of weapons now would we
>>323729405
>caring about the multiplayer in doom
>>323728529
Not him, but yeah there's something inherently wrong with that, especially in the context of the original levels. Aiming on a vertical axis makes some map designs redundant, like the icon of sin.
>>323720506
I would pick s.t.a.l.k.e.r. but Doom would be right behind.
>>323728808
>TNT is better than plutonia
Your opinion is bad.
>itt vidya cucks
>tfw best game deus ex
>>323729626
>executions, melee is now annoying to use
>health ammo and armor exploding from all enemies
>enemies pop in a-la call of duty/painkiller and aren't wandering the map
>still no straferunning so no circle strafing
>need i go on
if you played a doom game before doom 4 is not catering to you.
also doom multiplayer is fantastic
What are some good doom wads that focus on tech/base themed levels? I've played doom the way id did and the first two episodes were great.
>>323725468
I like to imagine this guy probably makes this face like 90% of the time, even when he's sleeping.
like, he made another, slightly less angry face when her daughter got married but that's it.
>>323730273
youve gotta play valiant nigga
there are some slight gameplay changes though
also hacx which is kind of official kind of a cyberpunk themed total conversion
>>323730173
when did they say no strafing? Also, doom enemies never "wandered" the map they didnt pop up either they were just there waiting for you
>>323717171
Doom II.
Killzone 3
>Those graphics
>That atmosphere
>That multiplayer
>That heavy, realistic feel the guns have
>That lore
>That story
>Those helghasts
>>323728931
Anon, it's my opinion, calm down.
>>323730704
the whole reason people circlestrafed was because straferunning made your character faster.
and i mean they are actually visible on the map, as if they reside there. they might not wander around, that isn't what i meant. but in doom 4 from what ive seen they just teleport in
>>323730704
doom enemies do wander once activated and they don't spawn into the level they're all placed beforehand
>>323730747
this desu
>>323731238
>Worse level design
>Super Shotgun breaks the weapon balance
>>323730553
>valiant
fucking cool, thanks
>>323731582
don't forget worse music I love doom 2 but doom is just a more balanced game
>>323717171
but but no BF?
>>323717171
Planetside 2 ftw
>>323717171
Heretic
>>323731582
>>Super Shotgun breaks the weapon balance
They added a ton of enemies that have around cacodemon health to compensate for that.
granted, that basically lead to them just making everything spawn in hordes.
Doom 2 really shouldn't have giving you the SSG so early.
>>323734976
>compensate by giving you more enemies that are literally made to be killed by your new weapon.
>>323735676
None of the new enemies but the chaingunner can be one-shot by it, I mean.
SSG turned everything lesser than Arch-viles into cannon fodder, but you're still gonna be firing slowly into enemies that'll take multiple shots from the super shotgun.
I don't mean to defend the super shotgun, but that's what their idea was (probably).
>>323729084
>no strafe running
Good
>no wall running
Good
>console focus
Shit
>loadouts
Shit
>>323729962
If it's the best game why do I always uninstall before finishing the first mission?
>>323725468
I mean I'd say half life if a better overall game than doom, but doom has much better combat.
>nostalgiafags
>>323717171
Hexen
>>323736436
>no skill based movement
Good
even call of duty has movement exploits now and yet doom 4 doesn't? its unbelievable
>>323736754
I beat doom and doom 2 last year
>>323736754
>tfw so young you can't even nostalgia about anything
>>323736953
im pretty sure he was baiting for responses anon
even a 10 year old could pick up and enjoy older videogames
>>323717171
Plutonia
H-doom
>>323736913
>no skill based movement
I didn't imply that.
Before playing a video game with those two movement patterns you didn't know you wanted them. Now you want every game of the same style to have exactly the same movement pattern, instead of wanting every game of the same style to have skill based movement, which might be expressed in new and better forms.
>>323717171
Halo 2. lol that was easy
so what other games do infighting like doom?
>>323739387
Heretic / Hexen
Turok 1 and 2
>>323717171
I love Doom, but man, Doom 2 has the worst double barrelled shotgun in all of videogames, with the possible exception of the original Serious Sam games. Thankfully Doom 64 and Quake both drastically improved upon it.
>>323739387
Most of the BUILD engine games
>>323740207
I don't recall Duke, SW, or Blood having infighting.
>>323739387
Quake
Half Life
>>323740457
I can't remember about Duke or SW, but Blood definitely has it.
>>323718026
>>323717569
This is a meme, right? Wolfenstein is just objectively worse than DOOM in every regard. The only thing that has any subjectivity to it is the Nazi theme vs the demons and hell theme.
>>323741134
They might be talking about RtCW rather than W3D
>>323739387
lot's of games have in-fight, but almost none of them have the frequency of doom's
You can run around a level and just trigger fights between monsters, you can't do that with any other game I've played
How is TNT?
Especially comparing it to Doom 2 and Plutonia?
>>323726074
Brutal Doom's reloading mechanic fights the flow of the game. Doesn't fit, is shit, major black mark against the mod.
>>323723157
The Doom 3 BFG (fukkin lame) version has another Doom 2 episode, "NERVE.WAD", shit is good. You'll have to try and pick it up illegally, though.
The BFG edition of Doom 3 made a kinda shit game shittier. Doom 3 is pretty, but the gameplay is unresponsive retarded slow hitscan crap.
At least Doom 4 is going to be gory Halo. For fucks sake.
>>323726074
>Retards unironically believe BD invetend any of that shit
>>323725591
Congrats on your first 4chan post, kiddo. Unfortunately, though, this place is like bars, dangerous theme park rides and the saloon doors at the video store. You'll find out when you're older, but for now it's best if you buck up and head home, little fella.
![13962938141826[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nabvTsu.jpg "13962938141826[1].jpg")
>Thy Flesh Consumed
>>323717379
Why does nobody make a game where you can "edge" fireballs for bonuses?
>>323745023
it feels like Doom's mechanics start to fall apart the second you emphasis vertical and wide open spaces too much
Call Of Duty
Call Of Duty 2
termimator 3 rise of the machines
>>323743217
Nobody said BD "invetend" any of that.
I prefer vanilla Doom myself, but BD is still an interesting gameplay mod.
