>There are people who complain about Overwatch selling skins.
Why? I'm actually curious why this would be a bad thing, seeing how they decided not to sell heroes (because that would be a fucking death sentence) and maps.
because they don't realize that requiring "progress" of any sort to unlock the skins would just lead to people shitting up games "because I'm so close to my new skin, guise!"
it's either have blizzdrones buy skins or it's have blizzdrones shit up your matches more than usual
>>323214160
Wait who's complaining about selling skins?
Fighting games can have skin shops on top of a retail price and no one cares
It's only bad when Blizzard, Nintendo, or Riot Games does it
>>323214415
this. Fuck off, OP
>>323214160
As long as they give some basic shit to work toward like alternate color schemes and skins like master skins in heroes of the storm, I'm okay with them selling skins like the origin edition ones
Might as well ask for a subscription while they're at it too. I mean, you bought the game, you're not really entitled to also play it, right?
>>323214530
Unlocking alternate colors would cause teams of 6 Zaryas trying to grind away her base color scheme
>>323214530
>>323214629
read
>>323214339
Even alt skin colors would encourage mains, which is bad in Overwatch because it wants you to switch heroes to adapt to situations.
>>323214160
Im mad that the game has less content than splatoon, at least from my experience with the beta.
Blizzard is bad and everything they do is bad.
As long as all the gameplay shit is free, I guess I can tolerate having to buy skins.
>>323214989
>As long as all the gameplay shit is free,
nigger you pay something like 40$ for it
why are retards sperging over the skin when the UI is literally so fucking primitive it cuts you off from vital information
CS:GO does skins well
There are literally underground markets and match-fixing and some gangster shit because of CS:GO skins
They don't add anything and yet some are worth thousands of dollars
Blizzard should do that
>>323215140
You know what I mean.
>>323215140
How tragic.
>>323215160
Such as?
>>323215234
well yeah
>>323215237
it would be if they started charging real life money for gameplay-affecting items
>>323214160
it would be cool if one day I could buy one game again, and just have content for it
ofc it would be retarded to expect it from blizzshit
How long will Overwatch be relevant for, /v/?
>>323215369
>it would be if they started charging real life money for gameplay-affecting items
But they aren't. It's just upfront for the game itself. It's pretty much what TF2 was before it went F2P which is arguably when the game went to complete shit.
>>323215538
We're past that point.
>>323215538
Who knows, Undertale is way past the point of relevancy and yet people still masturbate over it here.
>>323215524
Sadly, games cost a hell of allot more to make these days. So microjews are just something you have to live with, like bacteria.
>>323214160
the game has too little content so if they wanted to have dlc they should have made it free to play
>>323215538
Depends on how fast it catches on with the mainstream audience and if its any good or not.
If hearthstone and HOTS are anything to go by /v/ will not care about Overwatch at all and it will be quarantined to /vg/ forever.
>>323215538
not long every other game like it either has enough content to justify the price or is free
>>323215808
Well they are adding in new heroes and maps later on, so 40$ is pretty good for what you get.
>>323216048
that applies to every other upcoming shooter like it they have to do more than that
>>323215538
The next Evolve, which was the next Titanfall, which was the next Brink.
>>323216145
I don't think i've seen anything drop off as hard as Evolve did.
Titanfall at least still has somewhat of a fanbase from what i can tell. Literally nobody cared about Evolve as soon as it was released.
Boy, if this game is going to flop(according to /v/), I wonder how badly Paladins and Battleborn are going to do then
>>323214415
The same people who are complaining about the $40 buy in cost.
There are a lot of enitled "give me this free" idiots on /v/ lately when it comes to overwatch
>>323216317
Paladins at least is free. Battleborn has NOTHING going for it.
>>323216273
I-I did ;-;
>>323214160
>Paid DLC in a full priced game is somehow not a bad thing
>>323216490
Paladins is free but has those fucking stupid p2w "cards" in it
Unless they remove those, I'm not gonna play it
>>323216756
It's fine when Valve does it with CS:GO.
>>323214160
Because its a full retail price game
>>323216859
Except csgo was never a full priced game
>>323216859
>full priced game
>>323216756
>full priced
>$40 not $60
>Acting like they don't intend on developing after release
>A company wanting to recoup it's spending on launch, and then further funding development is a bad thing
>>323216756
It's skins, so who gives a shit? It doesn't affect gameplay.
>>323216317
paladins is fun but it's a completely different game
paladins is what you get if you make an MMO but fps based mixed with hearthstone
overwatch is what you get if you want to remake TF2 in pixar
>>323217014
>>323217023
Overwatch isn't full priced either. It's $20 less than a full priced game.
>>323216756
>>323216859
>>323216913
>>323217014
>>323217023
>>323217034
Looks like we can drop that point then.
>>323217014
>>323217023
Neither was Overwatch, so your point is invalid.
>>323216756 (you)
>>323216145
I cant speak to brink, but evolve and titanfall had good reason for failing.
Its tough to pin down exactly why evolve wasnt enjoyable, but the general consensus even among beta testers was that it just want fun for whatever reason. It lacked that ephemeral spark that made you want to keep playing. By all accounts of both streamers and average players who got into the beta, Overwatch doesnt have this issue in the slightest.
Titanfall was a great shooter by all accounts, and added quite a bit of innovation to the modern shooter genre, but it made the mistake of trying to directly compete with the 1000 pound gorilla that is CoD. It took some attention for a moment and then most of the playerbase went right back to the franchise they have been playing for years. If Overwatch were launching 4-5 years ago id say this was a real problem trying to compete with TF2, but that game is on a serious decline and theres actually a decent hole in the market right now that overwatch can slot nicely into.
Now this isnt to say there isnt some other pitfall Overwatch will fall into, its very possible the game still might fail, but it manages to miss the issues these 2 games ran into.
>Why? I'm actually curious why this would be a bad thing, seeing how they decided not to sell heroes
What? You buy the game for 40 bux, you fucking retard. You literally buy the heroes.
>>323217272
>>323217138
It's $60 on consoles, the paltform it was developed for.
That's enough for me to call it a full priced game.
>>323217065
Keep in mind it's Actiblizz we're talking about here. I give it a year before gameplay effecting things will be buyable as well.
>>323217880
Who cares about console babies. They have to pay money for online to boot.
>>323217880
>platform it was developed for
>they still dont have their own beta
>the engine itself was supposed to be used in the next big mmo
It's very clear you have no idea what you're discussing, might as well quit while you're behind.
You buy the game. You pay a premium price for a premium product. Microtransactions are not okay in premium products.
How is this hard to understand?
>Overwatch costs money
>Evolve costs money
>therefore Overwatch will fail like Evolve did
This is like "Hitler ate food and breathed air" levels of stupid
>>323218125
You buy the game ounce, devs earn money to make a profit, you pay for skins so they have a excuse to keep developing for it.
How is this hard to understand?
This board really hates spending money.
>>323216676
>>323216273
I did too.
>>323218205
>Your post is shit.
>You're also shit.
Here's your (You).
>>323216317
I don't think many people really think OW is going to flop, just a rather loud minority that thinks Blizzard in general is on the brink of total annihilation.
Y'know, the company that has managed to throw it's own convention every year at a large profit loss for the past 10 years or so.
>>323218257
Except literally every good game continued to make free content for a while. There isn't a single case of a good game doing what you described
>>323218709
TF2 did both.
>>323218709
>Free content.
Usually because paid content in a paid game is usually DLC levels.
Overwatch is a 40$ game asking you to buy skins, which are completely optional, and means funded updates.
Which means they can do more with updates, because the game is paying for itself.
Vidya is expensive.
>>323218691
>Full priced
>"No plans for aditional heroes besides the original 21"
>No idea what the progression system will be but still let people pre-order
>Made from the remnants of project titan in an effort to still release something
I mean i really don't want this to fail but all the signs are there that it's just a cash grab.
>>323218709
well if we are talking good by /v/ standards then sure, but thats just because its not a profit model used in jrpgs.
>>323216375
those games are fine because they either have enough content to justify the price or are free to play
>>323216859
csgo is 20 bucks
>>323218989
>"No plans for aditional heroes besides the original 21"
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/overwatchs-future-heroes-and-maps-will-remain-free
>>323214160
Full priced game selling shit that would have been packed in back when I was only 14 or so years removed from being a sperm.
>>323218691
hots couldn't even break into the big three how was it a success
>>323219136
So a game should be criticized for trying to make money when games cost more to develop?
>>323219258
HOTS just made it a Big 4 instead
>>323218257
other games had enough content to justify the price in the first place
more skins =hopefullymore porn desu senpai
>>323219258
>It's not popular so it's shit
So what, is LoL the best game then?
>>323219321
But they don't. Overwatch isn't even topping FFVII for development and advertisement costs when adjusted.
>>323219336
no its a big 3 and a few niche games that no one really plays
>>323219258
what the hell does hots have to do with any god damn thing I or anyone else said?
In anycase HoTS was Blizzard's second most profitable game of 2015 so I doubt they or their investors/shareholders would call it a failure anyways, which is really the only thing they actually care about, not Twitch viewers
>>323219494
Guess that's why it's cheap when compared to other multiplayer games.
>>323219507
HOTS is a lot bigger than a "Niche" game
It's only slightly behind SMITE and still growing
When LoL and Dota 2 inevitably decline, SMITE and HOTS will grow more
>>323214415
>>323216756
Stupid anime posters.
>>323219572
that would be hearthstone or wow hots isnt big enough to be a huge success
>>323219395
>game isn't even out
>the amount of SFM porn released already is fucking ridiculous>meanwhile they could be making porn from actually interesting games
Why do almost all decent SFM makers have such shitty taste in games? It's always shit like Bioshock, Tomb Raider, Mass Effect, and now Overwatch.
No matter what, /v/ will always hate Blizzard. Always something they did wrong, they are always failures.
Blizzard is shit.
>>323219729
>Bioshock is bad.
That's how I know your a faggot.
Opinion discarded.
>>323219729
>games are shit except for waifus
>"why are they only focusing on the waifus"
>>323219682
a movie that costs 5 million to make and pulls in 40 mill at the box office is a bigger success then a movie that costs 50 and pulls in 80 million, anon.
>>323219858
sure but what does that have to with anything?
>>323219682
Does a game need to be a big success to be considered good?
>>323219097
Yeah after he kept saying for a week that there wouldn't be any more heroes
And only after massive negative backlash from the community calling him out on wanting to make future characters paid for.
>"We haven't locked in exactly whether there'll be additional monetisation after launch or not,"
From the exact same article you posted. They still don't know if they will be adding any content after launch wich is a huge red flag for me. They're basicly saying "Don't worry about post-launch support, just give us $40 goyim :^)"
>>323219840
I think he meant infinite
>>323219995
its also a boring game
>>323219840
You seriously liked Bioshock Infinite?
It has pretty much no redeeming qualities.
>>323219848
With the exception of maybe one or two Mass Effect characters. All those waifus are pretty shit though.
>>323220110
ASSFAGGOTS are a boring genre.
>>323219978
HoTS costs blizzard did fuck all to develop, most of the costs were probably just getting the VA's back again. Hell most of the game was made in Starcraft II Arcade.
I'd like to play the game once at least.
>>323220174
If you mean't Infinite, then you should have been more specific faggot.
>>323220242$40 Goyim.
>>323220242
Same, please give me beta access so I can see for myself how much I'd like playing reinhardt and hook meaty guy
I just love playing tanks and they look kinda cool
>>323220419
Who the fuck would make porn out of Bioshock 1 or 2? I thought Infinite was pretty much self explanatory.
>>323220504
You don't even get beta access for preordering. I'd buy the fucking game.
Shit, they'd get loads of money from everyone.
>>323220594
>Who the fuck would make porn of X.
You clearly doubt the internet.
>>323220612
I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't do that eventually, as part of a stress test or something.
The initial beta (which closed for the holidays and hasn't reopened yet, mind you) had limited servers and shit which is why they were so stingy with invites, and why they invited so many streamers
>>323220594
>that werewolf one by leetrr
my dick
>>323214160
There are people complaining about selling skins?
Where are they OP?
>>323217065
>>323217034
>>323217138
>>323217272
>>323216859
I'm a blizz-drone and I think these kind of arguments are retarded. You guys sound exactly like a die-hard evolve fan when that game was getting ready to come out, and we all know how well that game did in all of its dlc-glory.
Blizzard is all about over-monetization of their games right now, that's why they're trying to pump out new expansions for WoW every year because expansions make them a lot of money. HotS has a retardedly high priced cash shop compared to all other mobas right now, hearthstone you can't really get anywhere on ladder unless you're buying packs or a legend-skilled player. The only game so far that isn't incredibly costly is diablo 3. I'm not sure what's going on in the sc2 world, I don't care for that game at all.
So don't sit around and try to act like blizzard isn't trying to min/max the profits they make with this game by charging an entry fee and turn around and make people pay EXTRA for cosmetics other than giving them something to work towards in-game.
>>323220840
That's some large bait you have there.
>>323220840
They aren't arguments, it's a simple fact that Overwatch is not a full-priced game.
>>323220840
Would you rather them sell heroes for 60 shekels a pop then them just selling fancy hats? Compared to the shit you just described it's a step in the right direction, and you should know that.
>>323220979
>acknowledge its bait
>still reply
why do people like you exist
>>323218125
Meanwhile, Portal 2....
>>323220612
They are stressing that the sole purpose of the beta is to test the game, not solely promote it.
If they let everyone into the beta then they would also let everyone into the forums and it would be much, much harder to sort through feedback.
>>323220830
Because they were announced before the game has a projected release date, that's the only reason someone could have.
Also ignore the dipshits saying it's a full-priced game. It's $40 and all of the 21 heroes are unlocked from the start. Additional gamemodes confirmed free, maps and character DLC is undecided right now but a lot of people are thinking it's going to be free maps + paid character DLC--if they release characters at all.
>>323221358
>maps and character DLC is undecided right now
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/overwatchs-future-heroes-and-maps-will-remain-free
>>323220221
Blizzard's big thing too is that they support all of their games regardless of success. Fucking D3 still gets content updates along with seasons.
So regardless of how successful HotS is it's not like they are going to cut support for it.
>>323221358
>Additional gamemodes confirmed free, maps and character DLC is undecided right now but a lot of people are thinking it's going to be free maps + paid character DLC--if they release characters at all.
They have literally said multiple times that anything gameplay related (heroes, maps, gamemodes etc) will be free, as the game itself is incredibly balanced on the ability to switch heroes between respawns.
>>323221416
Ahh yeah I forgot about that video, thanks man.
>>323221567
cool your jets, man.
>>323221558
People think supporting D3 is surprising? For fucks sakes they still put up new ladders for D2.
I'll buy cool skins if they release them. I want to try their game before they buy it though. Release a demo or fucking flag my account Blizzard.
>>323221679
Well It's supposedly a flop based on what this board says so I guess so.
>>323218026
>the engine itself was supposed to be used in the next big mmo
You dont have a shred of evidence to back that up. All you 'know' (which is also just an assumption) is that they recycled the MMO assets and turned them into Overwatch. You dont know if it was just the models, the animations, the skills, the textures, the engine or all of it.
>only streamers and youtubers are able to get in beta for hype train
>nobody gives a shit on twitch after 2 month
well done Blizzard, so glad i get my money back from cancel preordering
>>323222684
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>>323220753
It would be just as bad, if not worse because it would be D3 servers all over again.
>generate massive hype with twitch-only invites
>send out a weekend teaser for plebs
>close the game down for over a month, killing all hype, killing all overwatch-only streamers, minecraft streamers and LoL streamers go back to their regular games
I don't understand how Blizz could make such a huge marketing blunder. Clearly the devs wanted some kind of limited internal beta to refine the game, but yet they also made a spectacle of a game they weren't planning to sell yet for up to 6 months?
Like holy shit, I hope the advertising execs get fired over this, but you know it'll just be the OW devs instead
>>323222015
Are you retarded? There was an interview where they stated as such, and do you even fucking understand what an engine is?
Do you think this is a modified wc3 engine, you fucking retarded pile of dog shit?
This is the FPSMMO engine they made for their Destiny game, there is no room for discussion on this, now please never post on 4chan ever again
>>323222684
>he doesn't have a high end rig to get in the beta that way
you poor soul
New heroes when?
>>323223123
>There was an interview where they stated as such
do you know who conducted the interview or when? just curious, i wanna read/see the whole thing
>>323223274
My computer's not even that good and I got in during the post-Blizzcon wave
>>323222893
They still get a shit-ton of jewtube views tho.
>>323215538
Soon, Activision has MLG under their wing now. If people don't like it, Activision will force them to.
>>323222015
metzen literally explained at blizzcon that they got frustrated with Titan, scrapped it because it was too ambitious, and had an epiphany moment that led to overwatch
it doesn't matter whether it was models, animations, skills, or just ideas - it's the spiritual continuation (not my words) of Titan. A game that massive cannot have been developed "primarily" for consoles - regardless of what /v/ fags think.
>>323223356
You can tell which ones they scrapped or changed to become what we have now. That /fit/ mech looking guy at the back right looks like an earlier version of Pharah or something.
>that biohazard dwarf on the left
oh man I want it real bad
>>323223439
That was the temporary one, right? I think that was more randomized, tons of people I know who had less-than-optimal rigs got in.
>>323223591
>it doesn't matter whether i
Of course it matters. He said that they recycled the engine yet has nothing to back up that claim.
They might as well just have kept a bunch of the ideas and started to re-develop other parts of the game, such as the engine. And that new engine might have been developed specifically for consoles. You dont know, I dont know.
>>323222893
That Dunkey video he made for Overwatch got over a million views.
>>323223798
Nah mine is a permanent invite
I scrolled through this post hoping to see some lewd shit. You let me down/v/
>>323223970
>And that new engine might have been developed specifically for consoles
and they aren't letting people beta test it now because...?
admit it, PC version came first.
>>323220979
yeah, cause no one could possibly truly have an opinion like this. So just call it bait!
>>323224116
>admit it
Top fucking kek.
>>323224254
If it is their opinion, it's a pretty retarded one.
Why are other games so afraid of Overwatch they have to shill on 4chan?
>>323216365
of course people complain, game is gonna be dead in 3 months unless is f2p
retards will still buy it, just like in Evolve
>ctrl f
>nothing about 20 trick rate
It's like you meatbags don't have skill and want it
>>323224071
Guess I look the fool, well at least its not as rigid as I thought. Have a cute girl
>>323224623
This is blizzard, and the game is actually at least halfway decent if the first impression gits are anything.
>>323221024
40 dollars is full priced for a blizzard release to me.
>>323221098
I'm not really down for defending blizzard because of the shit they did to World of Warcraft with this last expansion. All I know is they're going full on jew mode with their games.
>>323224429
Explain how it's retarded
>>323223970
>no one knows so everyone's wrong
Try again. Additionally, the physics engine is one they've been using in blizz games forever now - not console dependant.
Face the facts, you're wrong. It's just an internet argument bro
>>323225178
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>>323221098
It's sure as hell better than the alternative.
>>323225068
>I'm not really down for defending blizzard.
So your pretty much admitting you have no counter argument and will just shit on Blizz for the sake of shitting on them?
By that logic, your a faggot because I don't feel up for agreeing with you.
Leave faggot.
>>323225329
>Face the facts
Uhm. So wheres your evidence, Mr. Facts?
>>323214453
nobody plays fighting games idiot
>>323225329
Really though, this gen's consoles are closer to PC's than any before, so it's more like any game for PC is easier to port to console or the other way around, just the companies are mostly jewish retards.
>>323220840
Evolve was very profitable though.
>>323225467
I'm
>>323220840
>>323225068
I stated I don't like defending blizzard because they are killing their best game off, so I'm not shitposting for the sake of shitposting.
I've loved blizzard for a long time, and I don't want to see them die. However, doing shit like what these past moba fps games did (evolve, titanfall) with the high priced game, and then turn around and make it have content locked behind a paywall is something that pisses me off to see a company pull.
But you know, It's okay when blizzard does it right?
>>323227419
Are you actually mentally retarded?
>>323214160
>I will gladly fold when it comes to cosmetics because if I don't appease Blizzard enough they would probably just charge me for something else
I hate this defeatist, toe-sucking attitude.
Odds are they could still turn a healthy profit if they didn't charge for microtransactions. They DO charge because they know people will be OK with it.
>>323227584
How about no cosmetics, no additional content whatsoever? Sound like a good plan?
>>323227419
WoW is a shit game and you know it, it's pretty much been on fucking life support for years.
And, like I fucking said, their skins and they need money for post development.
If it actively affected gameplay, then you would have some justification, but your evidence has been shattered, glued back, then shattered again.
Think of something else.
>>323227675
Actually yeah. Let's see if the base game can survive on its own merits.
>>323215538
>Overwatch girl has a sense of innocence and care and intrigue
>3dpd is smug, vain and generally looks pretty cynical
>>323227675
I'll take some free updates but I miss when MP games were released in a finished state, and extra content was delivered in snazzy, polished new sequels
>>323227782
>its own merits.
>additional content made by the developer themselves are not its own merits
Do you buy Bethesda games for the mods or something?
All I hear from these shills is.
>REEEEE FREE TO PLAY IS ONLY MANDATORY WHEN BLIZZARD DOESN'T DO IT!!!
>>323227723
I'm not surprised people like you exist whom believe something like that.
>>323227974
>base game
>BASE GAME
>>323228123
I'm not surprised you haven't supported your claim with anything fucking else.
Or even supported your claim with decent evidence at all.
>>323220198
Overwatch is a TF2 + mobashit slapped on it
>>323228128
So no modern game ever is allowed to have any patches whatsoever. TF2 can't have hats and such, no mods, no nothing.
Blizzard isn't allowed to improve their own games.
>>323228290
You're illiterate.
>>323228272
I thought Titanfall was closer to mobas with the little ai things running around, there's not really any of that in overwatch that I can tell. It just has abilities which other games also have.
>>323228356
>Base game.
>BASE GAME.
>Let's see if it can survive on it's own merits.
If he's illiterate, then your mentally handicapped.
>>323228441
No, really, it has the QWER shit with ebin super skills, just like your average moba
>>323228356
I'm asking you if any other game is being judged by the same retarded goalposts as Overwatch is by you shills.
Plenty of games tend to be defended with 'they'll patch it' 'they'll add content later' etc.
Take Arkham Knight, does it even fucking work on PC? Does it have multiplayer? Should you burn that studio to the ground for charging $50 for it?
>>323228912
The ultimates just seem kind of like CoD killstreaks but more varied and such, again not really just a moba thing. Different guns and abilities, kind of like TF2 or other shooters as well, again none of it really screams moba to me, though I don't really play them much myself. You're not even locked into hero selection per match.
