ITT: we talk about the best FF game.
>pic related
I'll start:
>Fran
>Fran
>fran
>Fran
>Ffran
>ran
>black betty
>bam alamAlso, it has the only engaging plot that doesn't involve melodramatic protaganists with over-the-top personalities. The battle system is fluid and eliminates a lot of the boring minutia of random encounters. Plus, most of the gripes you had about it were probably fixed in the international version.
FFXII is the Star Wars Prequels of Final Fantasies
>>323174024
>Choosing Fran over Balthier
Not even you little bunny bitch could resist him.
>>323174024
I've been playing it recently. It's pretty good. But those fucking hunts. I don't know if I can finish them all and keep my sanity.
>>323174663
What hunt you on?
>>323174024
Best RPG combat system of all time.OF ALL TIME!!Lol remember this meme? I love Kenya West! XD lol
>>323174161
I'm not gay, but if Balthier asked me to suck his cock, I'd be on my knees with my cheeks spread in a heartbeat.
>>323175019
ur'e gay
I literally never finished that game, it was so fucking huge. I usually never complain about a game having too much content, but it felt like I wasn't getting anywhere in that game.
>>323174895
The last one I did was Vorpal Bunny. The bunny itself wasn't that hard, but it took a long time because I did it as soon as it was available and the monsters in the area could kick my ass if I aggroed to many of them at once. I've still got a long way to go. I heard that there's a huge jump in difficulty in rank V or VI.
>>323174115
>he thinks FF12 is Star Wars
>he thinks rebellion stories was invented by Star Wars
>he thinks cool wise-crack side characters were invented by Star Wars
Star Wars itself was derivative as fuck. But fuck if people know.
>>323174024
>it has the only engaging plot that doesn't involve melodramatic protaganists with over-the-top personalities
you are dumb
>>323175708
Hunts are the best part of the game! They offer more [fair] challenge than any of the boss fights (unless you're running from all trash mobs)
>>323175716
I never said FF12 was copying Star Wars. I'd rather play something that copies something good than something shitty and original. FF12's problem is that it's a bunch of boring political nonsense with forgettable story and characters (including no protagonist) like the Star Wars Prequels.
>>323175708
Yeah, the hunts start to shit on you once you gain access to the next areas. Several optional, high level areas are also made available, and I think the game expects you to just power through the story before you starting doing too many hunts/sidequests.
I know the feeling to want to complete everything as soon as it's available, but unless you're following a guide to get the absolute best equipment as early as possible, it's gonna be rough,
>>323174024
Shita port when?
>>323175954
>>323176156
I just wish it was easier to gauge when your level is high enough to do them, but the order they show up in isn't indicative of that. Even hunts of the same rank seem to vary wildly in difficulty. The first time I tried Cluckatrice it killed my whole party in like 3 seconds. And right now, there's a bunch of rank V hunts available. No way I'm doing that right now.
>>323176079
>that it's a bunch of boring political nonsense
>being a RedditLettermedia fag
Well they made FF13 for you. Hope you liked it.
>>323176079
I found the political stuff really easy to keep track of. It's pretty cleverly hidden, but Balthier is nothing more than an exposition dump in the early stages of the game.
As for no protagonist, I think you meant to say that there's no singular protagonist because there's very clearly defined characters that we're supposed to root for as they struggle to achieve their well-explained and interesting goals.
Now, if what you really want to complain about is Vaan and Penelo, might I present to you Exhibit A.
>>323176079
how to spot an underage: the post
What are the chances they'll let you refund licenses in the remaster?
>>323174663
Iktf bro. Played it to 100% when it was still pretty new, haven't touched it since. I would have been pretty pissed if I hadn't known about the Zodiac spear beforehand.
>>323176079
You spend the first act rescuing a princess and most of the rest of the game gathering ancient artifacts. The political plot is only happening with the villain while he's taking over and I can't think of a single FF I've played that didn't do this. FF6 had you running around while the king was conquering the world, FF7 had you running after Sephiroth while Shinra was abusing its control, FF8 had you actively trying to stop the Sorceress from taking over the government, FF9 had that crazy queen and Kuja doing hostile invasions while you explored, etc.
>>323176703
Okay, so some composer guy in America, that probably has no formal relation with the Japanese execs in charge of making the decision for a remaster, comes out with a mistaken comment about an FFXII "remake" almost five months ago, and SE has yet to make any statement confirming or denying. Why did people jump on this so quickly? I find it increasingly hard to believe they will actually do this.
I just started it and played for an hour.
it feels a lot like Final fantasy 14 singleplayer edition. maybe with more of a story.
also letting you play as some cool MC knight dude and then having to play as some shitty kid thief orphan sucks.i assume it's about reincarnation or something but still, also all of this might change once i get into it deeper.
Story and characters were too bland. It's not fucking with FFX.
>>323176451
What's wrong with XIII?
Why even bring it up?
>>323176934
Eh, I read an article about it somewhere. Besides ports and HD remasters are happening all over FF series, how unbelievable XII remaster would be really?
>>323177025
FF13 was made in response to people complaining about FFXII being too much "boring adults talking politics" so they made the opposite.
>>323176963
It's not reincarnation. They outright tell you who the knight is and what his relation to Vaan is. Also, don't worry about it. Vaan is just there to be the innocent kid that asks questions so that the exposition goes more smoothly. You can change who the leader is as soon as you get a full party and you only need to control Vaan in towns after that.
Dungeons are long and tedious snoozefests, praise the lord for the speedup button in IZJS
>>323177176
alright, i will play more of it but i just ordered a bazillion PS2 games that are all most likely shorter and i would rather play first before starting a big game like FF 12
>>323174024
>It's the MC did one useful thing for the party during the entire adventure game
Let's face it, Vaan was shit.
>>323176349
Yeah, but a lot of hunts have weird loopholes you can discover.
There was that one giant behemoth that rocked my shit if I got close to him and had giant HP. But, if I kept my distance, he only had one weak ranged attack he would do periodically. It was the one time I set up the gambit system and had the characters use shock and charge and recover hp and I just kept them at a distance for an hour.
And that Mom Bomb that used recharge when its health hit a quarter? Pull out all your summons at the last second and destroy its shit before it can recharge.
>>323177340
Get IZJS instead. You bought vanilla, didn't you?
>>323176451
I, for one, have watched from my perch with disdain as FF has plummeted to both of those hells. Also to say your shit doesn't stink is rich considering Paradigms were just streamlined Gambits, equally non-interactive in the big picture.
>>323177460
how do i know?
is IZJS a japan only thing? my copy does look fairly standard. no platinum version just the normalgermanone.
>>323174024
>eliminates a lot of the boring minutia of random encounters
Yeah because walking around the same looking mazes while your characters do all of the actual gameplay is just SO thrilling.
>>323177174
No
XIII was made because people complained about XII being supposedly too open and not focused enough on story and cutscenes
At least that's what I read online
I still haven't fucking played XII
Between my ps2 being broken in 2006, next gen arriving, the izjz edition being released and deciding to play it on an emulator it's sitting on my hard drive
I'm sure the complaints about it are overblown as fuck though, just like they were for every othe ff I ever played
SE is made up of retards if they actually listen to shitposters online
>>323177763
Yeah. Is your PS2 able to play burned copies?
>>323177769
THe gambit system isn't mandatory. I used it once in the whol game. It is just a modified 3D Turn Based System.
>>323177838
no.
Vanilla FF12 isn't gonna be that bad now is it?
>>323177763
Emulate it
IZJS is already translated into english along with ripping voice-acting from english version of original
>>323177460
Everyone playing or considering playing this game really needs to do it on the IZJS version. Just straight emulate, too. Boost the resolution and, BAM, HD FFXII.
>>323177341
He's ok. The main character is really Ashe, though. I'm guessing Squenix just didn't want to risk making her the default team leader because of the target demographic.
>>323178073
...then explain Lightning.I would have believed you if you were talking about FFX though
>>323178058
This game looks gorgeous in HD. I just wish there was a way to extract and edit the textures to get better backgrounds, because the characters already look great.
>>323178202
Well, Final Fantasy XIII was made 4 years later. Ashe is definitely the main character of FF XII. There's really no way to argue against it. The story may start out from Vaan's point of view, but it's all about Ashe.
>>323178670
So your argument is the fan demographic changed in 4 years?
>>323178058
Why the Zodiac version? Just for the classes? I don't see the appeal of capping the characters so they fulfill a role instead of doing any role.
>>323178882
I don't see the appeal of having all characters be the same role that can do anything
But IZJS also has quality of life stuff, like fast forward button and stuff
>>323177961
Contrary to what autists here will say no, classic XII isn't bad. The only real difference is that instead of everyone being able to do everything because they all have the same license board (sphere grid equivalent) now you have to pick jobs for your party members and they get a specific board for their specific job, meaning the abilities are spread out across your party instead of everyone doing everything.It also has a button to speed up the game but honestly that's Gameshark level cheating, you're better off without it.
>>323175019
>asks to suck his cock
>goes even further than commanded and goes for anal
yeah you're super gay
>>323178987
Well then I guess no version is better, for people that want any character to do any role they can play vanilla, and if they want to have specific characters for some roles, play zodiac.
Square-Enix has a horrible track record of making the protagonist the protagonist.
X: Yuna.
X-2: Yuna. Got it correct.
XII: Ashe
XIII: Vanille
XIII-2: Arguably Noel, but I personally consider Serah the MC.
Lightning Returns: You would think this was impossible to fuck up, yet Lumina gave it an unsuccessful try.
>>323178813
No. My argument is that they didn't want to take that risk that one time but they got bolder in 4 years. And it's based on the fact that the story revolves around Ashe and not Vaan.
>>323179173
Just because Vaan isn't the main character of XII doesn't mean it spreads across other games. I mean what's next, Tifa was the main character of VII and Matoya was the main character of I?
>>323178882
As was already mentioned. The class restrictions were a big hurdle for me to overcome as well, but because of the addition of Weak, Strong and Trial Mode, I found a reason to try out all the classes.
As was already mentioned, you get quality of life stuff. Speed-up button, reworked chest and enemy spawns (makes it easier to farm for certain equipment), no more of that Zodiac Spear nonsense. There's plenty of little touches the really help the game shine now. I strongly recommend it.
>>323179283
You're reading way too much into this. The developer of XIII straight up made his ideal mary sue waifu the main character so he could see her gloriousness in fully rendered.
>>323179283
I thought Vaan was a such a bland and androgenous character because you could more easily identify as him or replace him with yourself for immersion purposes.
Ashe has such a clear personality and motivations that having her as the main character would be troublesome for player immersion. So Vaan and Penelo exists for self insert, and if that ain't your deal, switch him out later.
>>323179173
>the protagonist and main character must always be the same
Storytelling 101, look it up.
>>323179329
Hey 3/6 isn't too bad a percent and I-IX protagonists are correct, obvious and indisputable. They're central to their stories.
>>323179946
I'm not 100% sure but I did read some years ago about that, the director wanted Vaan to be the "spectator" of the story, representing the player, while at the same time trying to make the entire party the main characters.
Something more or less like what happened with ff6 and locke, but they left him as another one of the group after a few hours.
Probably I'm just making this up but I'm pretty sure I did read it.
>>323179585
Or maybe Toriyama just likes girl protags
>>323179737
Well, Vaan and Penelo have clear personalities and motivations too. They definitely serve the role of the easily identifiable everyman that gets involved in that shit without really knowing anything about it. And that also makes it easier to do exposition, since then the older characters have someone to explain things to. Still, that can be solved with a sidekick and Vaan really never acts as a leader in the cutscenes. Compare that to Cloud, Squall, or Zidaine, who are clearly the ones calling the shots.
Vaan and Penelo are basically Marvin and Wendy from Superfriends. They're more relatable and they get their screentime even if they're not the main act. But you never really expect them to solve the problems themselves. Although Marvin and Wendy were a little more useful.
>>323180470
I'm still wondering why Zidane was changed to Yitan in Europe, just for the french football player maybe?
>>323180398
http://www.p4rgaming.com/motomu-toriyama-admits-he-wants-to-marry-lightning/
>>323179358
>reworked chest and enemy spawns
This get overlooked but it's very useful, especially the chest thing
>>323180656
Is that supposed to be a serious link?
Are you guys taking p4r seriously?
>>323180365
Basically main character is hero of the story, but protagonist is an insertion point to the reader/player/viewer. It's usually someone who's new to everything and keeps asking "what's that thing" on behalf of the audience
If you don't have that thing, you get shit like XIII or Type-0 where you gotta go through datalogs to understand what's going on
>>323174024
>ITT: we talk about the best FF combat system stuck in one of the worst games ever.
ftfy
>>323179358
>Speed-up button
If I could marry that thing, man.
TOO LATE, AND TO THEIR SORROW DO DO THOSE WHO MISPLACE THEIR TRUST IN GODS LEARN THEIR FATE!
>>323182332
>>323182726
These lines are likes silk to my ears.
>>323182834
>>323181059
So in lord of the rings, frodo would be the protagonist, and aragorn the main character?
>>323183092
Yeah, that would be a good example
>>323183092
Luke/Vader
>>323177964
Link from a previous thread, already patched
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>The hound strays. Treason bares a price.
>One I gladly pay.
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>>323179173
Vanille wasn't the main character of XIII at all.
>>323184643
>>323174024
I liked the theme of choosing one's moral over one's duty. This is apparent with Ashe's quest to do her duty and crave out a new shard for herself to reclaim her kingdom, or to do what is right and over throw the rule of the Occurians. This is also further paralleled by Gabranth, who chose his duty over doing what is right and paid for it in the end. However, I feel like the game was too ham-fisted in insisting that one should always do what is right over what needs to be done, because all the character that strayed from the moral high ground suffered for it, and Ashe accepting the Occurians' help was never seen as an alternative. It was just "no, we cannot do that because they are evil,". On a further note, I find it surprising that Vayne is depicted as the final boss when he himself was choosing the right path and trying to free humanity of the Occurians as well. If anything, Larsa should've been the surprise final boss, having succumbed to the lure of the Occurians for a stable future. What do you guys think?
