Convince me that this game is bad.
It's not though, it was the best game last year and arguably the best in its series
It'sfun
I would, if it were a bad game
>>322892412
sickdark meme game
>>322892412
this game was fun desu
my only complaint was the unstable 30fps that dropped in some areas
but it was still playable and i enjoyed it
Convince me that Bloodborne is good
>>322892412
At least 50% of the game is optional, so you can know of the existence of these other areas and accidentally beat the game by following the wrong path.
That's what happened to me and I still can't get over how it fucked up my playthrough.
>>322892742
>cool gameplay
>nice bosses
>sweet level design
>beautiful OST's like this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mByDcrNSV0
>the Doll
Its great really.
>>322892742
Its Dark Souls but doesnt ever lose pacing/quality at any point and the combat is faster, that could be spun into a positive or negative but combat definately feels less methodical and is more aggressive.
No builds
Why was babby sad?
>>322893189
DLC fixed that.
>>322892412
It isn't bad game OP but I have an even better more challenging topic.
Convince me that this isn't the only good game on the PS4
>>322892964
I have trouble believing people can be this retarded. You're complaining about having too many options? How about you explore instead of being a 14 year old rushing through the games bosses? Play the game right.
Fixing it in your mind would be making that 50% part of the core game, instead of optional adventures? Why do you even play video games
>>322893317
EDF 4.1 is pretty fun in my opinion. Dont buy a PS4 if you own a PC, not yet anyway, there isnt really enough games that are actually out to warrant the price of a machine that plays multiplats and a few exclusives if you have a PC to play said multiplats already.
AWAY, AWAY!
>>322893498
Not him but
What if you accidently skip all those options? Like you coincidently took all the necessary paths to the final boss without knowing. Having options is fine but if it's 50% like he claimed then you could miss out on a ton of stuff.
>Enemies can still swivel 180 degrees mid swing like in DaS2
>Bosses can kill you instantly unless you pump VIT like a madman
>Chalices are repetitive and boring, but necessary for grinding bloodgems, since bosses in NG+ and higher are massive health sponges
>Apparel isn't as varied as previous games, mostly made up of grey and brown coats and rags
Is this Bloodborne thread?
I'm going to start another character after my first blind run through, should I follow a build? Which one should I go for?
>>322893915
There isn't a point of no return. If the workshop is on fire and you go fight Gherman, not believing that to be the final boss, you're an idiot. You can even die to him and go off and do other shit.
>>322893498
No, I knew about the other areas but thought to myself "I'll explore those when I'm done with these other areas"
Trouble is, those areas led directly to the end of the game.
DaS 1/2 has you going around to the other areas as mandatory to reach the final boss. BB does away with that.
>>322893915
Exactly. I ended up beating the game without ever learning about beast transformation, caryll runes, and using Ludwig's Holy Blade +9. Never having found more than 3 weapons in the game world.
>>322893915
Then you explore more or just start a new save once you're done.
If you want a perfect platinum run the first time just use a guide
>>322894389
I wasn't about to go back and do those areas with the hub burning, indicating the end of the game.
It fucked up any cohesive structure the game could have had, now when I go back and try to play through my head is full of Amygdala, Kos, Micolish etc.
There is no mystery about the end, and the end didn't even feel like the end. It was nonsensical and easy.
>>322894264
Depends on what you've liked, you get good Str weapons early on, but other weaopns like Bloodtinge weapons later
It is not a Nintendo first-party game, so it must be a moviegame.
>>322894523
Okay, so you're an idiot. Neat.
>>322894425
Oh fuck off, you're retarded.
You can still explore all of the game as long as you haven't beaten the final boss
>>322894498
>new save
Tried that, but you can only experience a game the first time once.
Now if I go through Cainhurst, Upper Cathedral, Hemwick, DLC it just won't be the same.
>>322894696
How am I retarded? For wanting the game to be presented in a cohesive manner?
Nobody even talks about anything important. Gehrman is less than helpful and Micolish is a madman.
>>322894590
Yeah, I just got the Chikage in NG+. What's with the constant HP decrease though?
Any recommendations on what I should go with? I used the whipcane and the electric mace last time, also used the Burial Blade and Amygdala Arm for NG+. Burial Blade is the best.
>>322894619
>b-b-but Nintendo!
>>322894880
It all depends on the moveset you like, you can't really go wrong with any weapon or build.
It sucks that I have to hate Bloodborne despite the Souls series being my favorite of all time, but what else can I do?
>>322894826
Well, then what do you want me to say?
I found everything except for uppper cathedral ward on my first run.
Why would you buy a "souls" game and only play through it once and expect the story to be thrown at you.
Play FF13 or something
>>322892412
I could try but I wouldn't know because I'm not going to buy a gaystation just to find out.
>>322894826
Maybe these kind of games aren't made with sub 80 IQ players in mind, you fucking whiny faggot. It's not the game's fault that you're shit
>mfw finally got my fully upgraded Bowblade
This weapon is great. Now I just need to work on leveling my bloodtinge.
>>322895204
XDD
GAYSTATION
Can i use that word for another post of mine in the future?
>>322894826
>I want the game to tell me exactly everything I need to be doing instead of exploring the game myself, which is the very thing that these games are built around
Yeah you're an idiot
>>322892412
Its on console.
>>322893916
>Enemies can still swivel 180 degrees mid swing like in DaS2
What a load of bullshit.
>>322892412
>awful camera
>shit hitboxes (especially WatchDog)
>broken lock-on that doesn't do its job during half the boss fights
>have to go through hunter's dream every time you want to warp somewhere
>awful loading times (bearable with the patch but still not great)
>little diversity in area design (most of the game takes place in grey abandoned buildings or grey spooky forests)
>hunter npc fights are unfairly op (their guns usually do at least 50% of your hp)
>crappy framerate that tanks sometimes and makes certain sections annoying to play
>chalice dungeons have absolutely atrocious level design and visual design (even in the non-rng ones), even reusing normal enemies with more hp from the main game as bosses
>story is as bare-bones as you can get to the point where it doesn't even bother to setup the game's world properly
>online multiplayer has awful netcode, the most limited ways of playing multiplayer since Demon's Souls
>little to no build diversity
>small amount of weapons without buying dlc
Did I win OP?
I've only just beaten Vicar Amelia and I'm gonna say this game was worth the price of the console itself. I got halfway thru Dark Souls and had fun and played a couple bosses of DS2 and thought it was alright. Bloodborne is so much better. The world, the graphics, the gameplay, the exploration, the execution of it all is just perfect. I'm already thinking of making another character just to play through what I've already done but with the cane instead of the axe.
If I could give a new BB player one piece of advice it would be to turn around at Yahar'gul. Turn the fuck around and go explore anything you put aside for the time being, anything you think you missed. Goddamn
If someone told me this, I might still want to play the game and not have a $500 paperweight on my computer desk
>>322892412
Rushed last third of the game, all areas look the same except the rushed shitty ones in the end,30 fps.
>>322892572
Nice argument you faggot
>>322895696
Do not fucking go down Yahar'gul
Don't fucking do it
>>322893229
His mom died so no more tendies anymore
>>322892964
Isn't that a good thing?
>>322895709
y tho
Isn't that the point of subsequent playthroughs?
>>322895709
>>322895805
I already accidentally went there after blood starved beast because I got killed by one of those random sack carrying dudes. I nearly shit my pants at how hard and creepy that place is. I got all the scattered items and then died to the electric beast boss before quitting that area. Will I have to go back? I'm ready to go to that door I needed a password for next
>>322893560
THIS DAD'S FINISHED
>>322896120
After defeating Amelia go through the door to the Forbidden Woods.
The Darkbeast Paarl is an optional fight, the area is accessed early like how you did. You return later after defeating the next two mandatory bosses.
>>322895109
You could buy a ps4 and play it
>>322895378
>>XDD
Go back to leddit faggot
>>322896120
You do go back there eventually, but it's one of the later areas in the game. The boss you are talking about is optional and can be killed whenever you want, but you do need to pass through that prison area briefly so you can go back and kill him when you do that.
Anyone has the drawing of Micolash reading a newspaper looking unamused?
>>322895709
The fuck are you talking about?
Did someone get booty blasted by the gank squad?
>>322896352
Holy shit i didnt think you could be this oblivious
>>322896352
>le go back to leddit meme
Go back neogaf
>>322896331
>>322896120
Don't go to the Forbidden Woods first. Take the path to the left of the Cathedral into Hemwick. There's a very important item in that area that you'll be glad to have before continuing, especially on a first playthrough.
>>322895709
You can explore the entire game whenever you want, even right before the last boss. The game never denies you access to areas of the game, taking you to a point of no return. The only thing you might miss are side-quests, but that's the point of playing through the game multiple times.
>>322896120
>>322896384
>>322896649
>>322896752
Just use the fucking guide jesus christ
>>322895676
he did not reply: means you do.
>>322892412
>edgy minimalistic story
>sickdark atmosphere
>literally dark souls with blood instead of souls
>directly plagiarizes lovecraft at times
>casual and dumbed down
>pvp is shit
all in all it's a solid 6/10 that caters to the edgy 14 year old sickdark crowd who love blood and werewolves and revenge fantasies of killing their high school bullies. the only reason it gets discussed on /v/ is because it's a nogames machine exclusive and sonyggers are so desperate for any game that they'll pretend sickdark simulator 2015 featuring dante from devil may cry is actually GOTY. you can see the same thing happen with demons souls, with sonyggers acting like it's not literally king's field 5 - edge edition HD.
it's still better than most games this year though. so there's that.
>>322894425
Learn to explore nigga
>>322897226
You can't make this shit up
>>322895676
I've never had a problem with lock-on, what's that about? The only time I've found it detrimental was loran darkbeast.
>>322895520
All dlc bosses do this
>>322895676
>hunter npc fights are unfairly op (their guns usually do at least 50% of your hp)
Bullshit
The best fights are hunter fights
the guns are only used for stunning enemies
the aiming is shit and is never used EVER.
Camera is fucking horrible in closed corners
Verly little cinematics
you have to get NG+ to access DLC
w/c is stupid
>>322894264
Do an ayy lmao build if you got the dlc
>>322897723
>you have to get NG+ to access DLC
w/c is stupid
uhm, no
>>322897723
Guns are used for damage if you have a bloodtinge build, and for parrying if you're not garbage at the game
>you have to get NG+ to access DLC
That's simply not true
>>322897723
You only have to beat Vicar Amelia to get to the dlc you lying faggot
>>322897724
googling bloodborne ayy lmao build did not give me any relevant hints on what you're talking about
>>322892572
this meme really pisses me off, why is that?
>>322892412
Shitty ass creed combat with linear level.
>>322898239
http://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Kos+Parasite
>>322898239
he's talking about milkweed rune + Kos parasite build which makes you look like a tentacle alien. Pretty cool actually
>>322892412
you have to pay $460 to play it
Its on the ps4 and you have to pay for online which means the game will be dead and it doesn't look as good as it could.
Chalice Dungeons.
Bloodgems.
Lack of builds.
too much content which should've been in the main game cut out and sold later as DLC.
>>322898239
milkweed rune + kos parasite build
>>322893163
True, you can't lose quality if it never had any to begin with, is short as shit and has no content
>>322898601
>cut out and sold later as DLC
It took like 9 months to make. That would be a viable argument if this was DaS2, but they didn't cut anything from the main game for the dlc.
because its fun
>>322898735
The game without the dlc was too short and was lacking content.
Gascoigne was teasing the beast form and it is bullshit that they only brought it with the dlc.
>>322892412
Linear and repetitive level design
Boring grimsick art style
Casual combat
No challenges
No difficulty setting
Only one play style
Reused enemies throughout the whole game
NPCs have no facial animations
Regenerate health
Too many blood vials
Too many blood echoes
Too many bloodstone shreds
Almost infinite qs bullets
No consequences for keep leveling up
Most boss fights are extremely easy
Loot are all the same junk
Low frame rate
>>322898908
It wasn't though. With chalice dungeons and all of the optional content you probably missed, it had more playable content than Das1.
There was sort of a beast form with the beast claw, but only got visual effects in the DLC. I doubt they intentionally cut anything there, beasthood was just a mechanic.
>>322898750
This looks horrible.
>>322898998
Gold post.
>>322899136
>chalice dungeons
Dogshit content.
>optional content.
I got the fucking 100% achievement. I did everything.
>>322895676
Someone who actually played the game
>>322897226
>>322898998
Sour grapes Pcucks
FUN
>>322898998
>Boring grimsick art style
This.
It was not medieval fantasy. How can it be a videogame without having dragonshouts?
>>322898998
Quite accurate.
>>322893916
I call bullshit on your third point
Chalices are boring, but I had to grind NG+ (which seemed perfectly calibrated difficulty for me) to beat the cursed pthumerian one
>tfw last floor of cursed and the last chalice remaining to get Yharnam queen trophy and platinum
Fuck
>>322898675
>I didn't play the game
Why didn't you just say so anon?
>>322899402
Jesus christ this looks worse than Dark souls 2.
What a laggy shitfest of two people awkwardly swinging stupid weapons.
>>322899339
Not liking chalice dungeons is subjective, they had plenty of content and bosses, and playing through non-roots offered plenty of content
>I did everything
By then you should realize that it had just about as much as DaS1
>>322899580
oh dont make stuff up
DaS 1 was worse
>>322899402
How does taunting work
I tap that touch pad and sometimes it lets me use items and sometimes it lets me taunt
>>322899384
It's funny to see Bloodborne shills only have two responses when confronted with arguments
>y-you just never played the game1
>pp-p-pc cuck!
>>322899580
That's pretty much all souls pvp in a nutshell
>want to get into Bloodborne. Maybe
>can't stand all the machievellian shit, especially the ending
Suffering.
>>322899676
How fat are you?
Seriously the middle thing has two buttons. Left and right.
>>322899719
Did I hit a nerve?
>>322892412
They tried to copy Arkham City's combat but forgot to put any fun and challenges in it.
Is Amelia the casual filter for the fame? She seems to ramp up the difficulty of the bosses from Gascoigne to her. Obviously it's easier if you go to old Yharnam first, but she's the boss I see most people bitch about.
So I'm waiting for my copy to arrive, it'll be my first Souls
Any tips for a beginner?
>>322899826
whats wrong with it? I showed the stuff to a guy who hasnt played video games since the last igavanias came out and he loved Bloodborne
>>322899658
This would infuriate me.
>>322899840
Huh, I always pressed right on the middle
>>322899909
I want to help that loli get those grapes.
I can't. Its not a bad game.
Watching All Bosses speedruns is fun as hell.
>>322899635
> they had plenty of content and bosses
Most of shit especially compared to the main game and other souls game level design.
One of the BEST things about souls is the level design and enemy placement. Its like modern castlevania in that regard for me.
And the chalice dungeons were just shit. MMO-tier content with the promise of higher numbers as a reward.
I liked some of the bosses and some of the enemies but you can't tell me this shit is fun or anywhere near the main game content wise.
>>322898998
This.
>>322895873
Thanks man, this post was therapeutic for me. I decided to finish the game on my one file, and got my head chopped off and woke up in a nice looking Yharnam. Maybe that is a good end?
Anyways I'm gonna continue on my other file I started which is now just after Gascoigne where I fixed my fucked up face.
>>322899985
Try out different weapons
Lots of people get too attached to the starting weapons and give any of the other weapons a chance
Not saying the starter weapons are shit though
>>322899985
Don't be scared. It is not hard for anyone who has played vidya all his life it just doesn't hold your hand.
>>322899985
expect to die.
stay determined
git gud
>>322899985
Fight fast, but fight smart. Learn attack patterns, then go in for the kill on basic enemies.
For bosses, expect to die a few times while you learn when they have openings.
Find a weapons style you like, and upgrade it. It's easy to miss some weapons, so looking up what's available never hurts.
>>322900010
I prefer happy endings. Machievellian shit is basically the anti-thesis to happy endings. That andThe game sounds too difficult for me. And not in the "wow I'm having fun" difficult. More like....why am I putting up with this shit difficult.
>>322892412
Honestly the only people who dislike it are people who can't play it. I only had a PC for a while and I brushed off that game as overrated by fanboys. But I got a ps4 for Christmas this year, so naturally I went out and bought Bloodborne to see what all the fuss was about. And its definitely the best game in the series. The only lacking thing is build variety, other than that it beats all the souls games in every other way
>>322899951
BSB is the casual filter, for sure. If you haven't learned to parry or dodge by that point, you won't beat it. Gascoigne can be cheesed by accident and you can actually out damage Cleric a lot of the time.
>>322899985
Just keep pressing R1 until you see the next lamp.
Seriosuly this game is more like a casual version of Skyrim but with linear level.
>>322900254
My reflexes are kinda shit though, I'm ok at Monster Hunter and casual online fightan games (SF), but I fear for whatever's in store for me in BB.
>>322900126
I agree that most of non-root chalice dungeon level design was sub-par, because they were designed for random generation, but asserting that they're not content because you said so is asinine. They had unique and genuinely good bosses, which was good since you could pretty much rush through them if you didn't want to play through them.
>>322899985
- Go with the Hunter Axe or the Saw. Just focus on leveling up your health, stamina, and strength/skill if you want a simple playthrough.
- Don't be discouraged by dying. Just be patient and you will eventually adapt. Learn the boss patterns.
- Bloodborne is faster than Dark Souls but the tradeoff is that you get to carry 20 healing vials right off the bat. You can always kill a few enemies and buy some more if you're having trouble with a boss.
- The way levels work is that you unlock shortcuts from your checkpoint, so that getting to the boss becomes faster and faster each time. After you beat the boss, you get a new checkpoint.
- There is a mechanic called Rally where after you get hit, you can immediately attack enemies to regain that lost health. The game encourages you to be aggressive.
>>322900437
Sour grapes
>>322900228
the starter weapons are good but give bad habits to pvp
>>322900337
I have orgasms with the HMS
I hope its as fun as it is in BB in DaS3
>>322900476
If you learn the patterns, you won't need pure reflex to succeed.
Is the empty phantasm shell worth using at 15 arc?
>>322900361
>>322900671
So like MH then? great.
>>322899951
Jesus really? Vicar Amelia?
I know the bloodborne fanbase is casual but I might think it's more casual than your average undertale players.
>>322900332
Bloodborne has a happy ending
>>322900762
Learn what the term "casual filter" means.
Hint: It refers specifically to casuals, not the whole playerbase.
Is there any weapon that scales off skill and strength?
>>322900612
Seriously? I played Bloodborne for more than 100 hours and it seriously is one of the most boring game I've played because how easy it is. I'd stop playing if not for the buyer denial syndrome.
And those dumb gooks can't even bother to put a difficulty setting in it.
>>322900851
>implying being a new elder god isnt a damn good one
>>322901025
You could at least try to pretend better.
>>322900946
Do casual really have trouble with this game? I mean if you're like my mother who only play mobile games then maybe you'd find this game hard.
If you're the average COD/ Ass Creed kiddies I don't think this game would be hard for you.
>>322900476
If you can play Monster Hunter, you'll be fine in BB.
They have similar combat systems. As someone who has sunk hundreds of hours into both games, I would argue that Monster Hunter is more difficult than Bloodborne. You can abuse invincibility frames in Bloodborne rather easily whereas they don't exist in MH unless you do the superman dive or have skills that give you invincibility during rolls.
>>322901025
>100 hours
>buyers denial
What? I could understand beating it once to feel you got your money's worth.
Sour grapes.
>>322901030
Reread that post, I was implying that is had a good end
>>322892412
>ps4 exclusive
fuck you , wont play it . Whats up with developers selling out to greedy console manufacturers who are fully aware their console is so shit they have to hold games hostage to sell their shit?
Do people co-op in BB at all? I could use some help for Blood-Starved Beast but I only ever see Alfred there and if I activate my own little bell nobody signs up to help.
>>322901206
Also boss fights in BB generally don't last more than a minute or two, while you have to not die for at least fifteen in a typical hunt.
Granted, you only get one life in BB while you have three in MH, but you get heavily weakened after the first due to losing food skills and sometimes it's worth restarting.
>>322901332
>>322901206
I'd argue some bosses in bloodborne are harder than Monhuns, but monhun in general is harder in general since every HR monster is basically a bloodborne boss.
>>322892412
HAVE YOU EVEN FUCKING PLAYED ALL OF THE CONTENT AFTER ROM?
IT'S TERRIBLE
>>322901470
Loads of people do. Make sure to set your network settings to worldwide.
>>322901495
i like dark souls and play it on pc. Bloodbourne looks good and i would like to play it but i wont buy a ps4 for it. This leads to me hating sony for not allowing me to play the game.
>>322901498
Which ones do you have in mind? I agree that you tend to die faster against the likes of Ludwig, but there's so little hitlag that you don't have to plan your attacks and can focus on purely dodging.
I mean, if you're just running around in circles and taking potshots, MH is easy as hell.
I'm pretty sure Miyazaki has openly said it's pretty much a beta test for Dark Souls 3.
I'm not buying a PS4 for a beta, I'll just wait until Dark Souls 3 comes out in a few months.
>>322900613
Fucking retarded
>>322901729
Then buy a PS4. Stupid. My issue is that they didn't release enough exclusives to warrant purchase.
>>322901404
>>322901209
>>322901160
>p-pretender!
>ss-s-sour grape!
>mah precious casual game!
Seriously I hate myself for buying this game because how obnoxious the fanbase is.
The game is casual, just admit. It's boring because there's zero challenges.
Oh I can already guess what you'd do next, you're gonna ignore this post and pretend you didn't shit yourself in tears because you realized how retarded you are.
>>322901842
That would explain a lot.
>20 fps
>50 second loading times
>Yeah so? Shit mang it's just a beta
>>322901842
Your imagination is hardly an open statement from a developer
>>322901923
Well that's your opinion then
Doesn't mean you're right either way
>>322901972
Pcuck spotted. I repeat, Pcuck spotted.
They fixed the loading screens ages ago
>>322901859
i dont like the ps4 , i got a pc i got a huge steam library and i got an xbox 360 pad. I dont want a ps4 and i will not buy a ps4.
>>322901923
>taking a picture of your screen
Fucking why
>>322901923
Why did you play it for 100 hours if you didn't enjoy it then?
>>322902585
I'm certain if I post a screenshot one of these fag like >>322902186
would just say I grabbed the picture from the internet.
This is how autistic and delusional the bloodborne shills are.
>>322902821
It's not really shilling, it's just easy to work up people who want to play the game but can't, like >>322901332
So people take advantage of it for schadenfreude
>>322900183
I'm pretty sure that's the shittiest lamest ending
>>322903068
It's a good end for you, but bad for pretty much everyone else because nothing really changed.
>>322902821
Just take a cap of your dashboard so that the clock is visible and spend a second in ms paint blacking out your name
I do that regularly when EA shills try to convince me I didn't play battlefront, so I get where you're coming from but there are better ways to do shit.
>>322892412
I can't since it has not been released on any respectable gaming platform.
>>322903272
>you wake up
is lame as shit as opposed to
>you're the wheelchair now
>you're a squid now
It's probably better than Dark Souls, I'll have to play it some more before I can really say. My first play-through was absolutely fantastic.
After getting a ps4 and playing it, it's really obvious a lot of the hate is coming from other PC players, XBONIE-bronies, and Nintendrones.
>>322903272
Accept = good ending for you
Refuse = bad ending for everyone except Gehrman
Ascend = Good ending for everyone besides you
>>322903846
I just played it recently. Haven't beaten it yet. I felt close to the end so I decided to start the DLC. I think I'm just before Ludwig. I love the map design but the lore behind it is more confusing than DaS1's generally straightforward plot. But that's mostly because I'm still wrapping my head around how nightmares and dreams and beasthood work in this game.
>>322903863
Refuse might actually be bad for Gehrman if you haven't killed orphan, since the DLC expanded on the lore. It's commonly believed he made the dream to escape the nightmare from the orphan of kos, and if he goes back there he'll be tormented because he and his colleagues ransacked the place in the waking world.
>>322904031
The story in BB is a lot more convoluted than DaS1. People are still figuring it out. Some guy wrote a 90 page paper on it.
>>322898601
The DLC was never planned from the beginning
Do I have to follow a build?
>>322892412
I bought it recently and I'm having trouble finding the appeal
>Basic combat consisting of a few attacks and a shitty roll
>Load times
>Combine load times plus the fact that you have to backtrack for your echoes on death, and you're stuck replaying the past 10 minutes every time you die
>Your attacks can hit walls and fail, while enemies can clip through walls and hit you
>That first boss fight on the bridge with the awful camera
>Every level feels samey, including environment and combat
>The only cool parts are the bosses, which I wouldn't consider challenging, but more just abnoxious with random attack patterns, some of which where if you fuck up and let them land, they can chain into an instakill before you recover
>Then load for a minute and spend a few more getting back there
It just doesn't feel fun. I'm on the third level but I might just drop it. Someone help me see the appeal
>>322904581
I mean by this point I get the gist of it. Two dudes find an alien god thing in a cave. Turns out there's actually more of them and that it's possible for a human to maybe ascend to their level. So the two dudes start feuding about how to do that with one guy saying to increase their insight and the other guy saying use the alien blood that can heal anything. So they break up and Byrgenwerth pretty much stays by the lake away from everyone else while Laurence makes the Healing Church and finds way to manufacture more of the alien blood. Mostly by making their nuns carriers for it even though the blood you get from them isn't as good as the pure stuff. But the blood turns people into werewolves for some reason and the aliens can alter reality so it's kind of hard to determine at which point one reality stops and another reality begins. But something out there is the source of the beast scourge and certain nights the beasts come out en masse and you need a hunter to kill the source of them. Which I guess changes each night of the hunt since I'm definitely not the first hunter. I'm still not sure where Gehrman fits in other than he used to work at the Healing Church. And I no idea what the doll is supposed to be either. The Hunter's Dream in general is weird to me, the only thing I know about it is that it's a haven for Hunters.
But that's about the most I could pull. I admit I did do some outside research but I tried to keep it to a minimum.
>>322905310
>>Your attacks can hit walls and fail, while enemies can clip through walls and hit you
This i'll give you some times but I have seen enemy attacks bounce off walls sometimes. The rest though?
Also
>Level
>>322904581
A 90 page paper proven mostly wrong later that still missed a lot of points.
>>322905361
It's theorized the beast plague was caused either by the Orphan of Kos as punishment for the mistreatment of the people of the village, OR it's caused by the Moon Presence (werewolves, full moon, geddit?)
Anyway, you're basically correct. The Scholars try to study the aliens and ascend themselves, while the Church worships them and experiments on the unknowing populace in the guise of blood ministry.
The hunters were formed, originally, to hunt and kill the monsters that resulted from these blood experiments - first in secret, then later publicly. Old Yarhnham is the result of one particularly bad outbreak where they had to torch the entire city.
Gehrman was the first hunter and an agent of the healing church. The doll is in the image of his Waifu, Maria, his first and prized student. No one is sure if she was made by Gerhman or was put there to comfort/torment Gehrman by the Moon Presence.
>>322905752
What's wrong with the rest? I'd rather hear reasons why I should reconsider, rather than "you're wrong."
How the hell do you guys even piece the lore together? I had to YouTube to understand anything about the story.
>>322906348
So one thought that came to me after finding the note that said something about when the pale moon descends the line between man and beast is blurred and something about a child. Since Great Ones want children they can't produce themselves, which is why they use humans, perhaps the nights of the hunt are basically mating nights for the Great Ones. The red moon descends, people start going crazy, women randomly end up with alien babies. The Great Ones don't particularly care because they're Great Ones why should they care about humans other than to impregnate our women. I can understand why this makes everyone crazy since Beasthood and Insight seem to be on opposite ends of the scale, Insight seems to be linked to the Great Ones, and the more Insight you have the more attractive you probably appear to the Great Ones (at least I'm judging that by Iosefka since she apparently was making aliens and I sent like half the cast to their deaths).
But that's just my take. As said I haven't really completed the game so their probably something later that'll completely mess this up.
>been playing BB for a few months on and off, really enjoying the PVP
>keep hearing memers say DaS2 has the best PVP
>remember enjoying it but not as much as DaS1's
>decide to go back on and try DaS2's PVP out after over a year
>literally nothing but havelmonsters with 6 buffs and magic shittery every single match
>the odd hex/jesterfag thrown in between
>90% of the players are absolute retards, combat feels like slow motion even in 60fps compared to Bloodborne
>roll + R1 while locked on doesn't direct your attack at the target you're locked onto, but instead sends you way off target
>rolling in general, and movement feel sluggish and spongy for lack of a better word
Variety is good and all, but when you see the exact same 2 - 3 builds every fucking game it's pretty aids. God the controls in DaS2 are awful, I don't remember thinking they fucked up THIS bad when going from DaS1 to 2.
>>322895676
>>awful camera
only an issue on, like, two bosses
>>shit hitboxes (especially WatchDog)
in what way? the hitboxes in bloodborne make perfect sense. sorry you can't just swing at the air and do damage.
>>broken lock-on that doesn't do its job during half the boss fights
you have to pick and choose when to use the lock on. the fact that you depend on it tells me you're bad at games.
>>have to go through hunter's dream every time you want to warp somewhere
fair enough. you could always run through the world, though, since almost everything is connected aside from DLC
>>awful loading times (bearable with the patch but still not great)
fair enough, but not as big of an issue as people make it out to be after the patch
>>little diversity in area design (most of the game takes place in grey abandoned buildings or grey spooky forests)
the game takes place in a city and you're mad that the environment looks like a city.
>>hunter npc fights are unfairly op (their guns usually do at least 50% of your hp)
how about you commit a couple of stat points to your vitality? or, alternately, you couldgit gud
>>crappy framerate that tanks sometimes and makes certain sections annoying to play
fair enough
>>chalice dungeons have absolutely atrocious level design and visual design (even in the non-rng ones), even reusing normal enemies with more hp from the main game as bosses
chalice dungeons aren't essential to the story. they're just for grinding. again, git gud.
>>story is as bare-bones as you can get to the point where it doesn't even bother to setup the game's world properly
sorry you were too stupid to understand the story without /v/'s help
>>online multiplayer has awful netcode, the most limited ways of playing multiplayer since Demon's Souls
co-op is a feature, not a game mechanic
>>little to no build diversity
i can tell you've only played through once (and probably didn't even beat it)
>>small amount of weapons without buying dlc
see above.
>>322906893
I always start with figuring out what exactly I'm supposed to do and then start figuring out the details later. Like for Dark Souls I run into Oscar who asks me to finish some prophecy. And then I run into Frampt who tells me I'm supposed to succeed Gwyn. And then I get the Lordvessel from Gwynevere. Where the lore stories come in, once again just for myself, is figuring out what the item stories have in relation to what I'm actually doing. For example in Bloodborne I run into the little girl who asks me to find her parents. That the father is a Hunter and the mother wears a red brooch. Useless information to me initially until I get to the Gascoigne fight and run into Viola's corpse. She has a red brooch. Oh so that makes her the mother? But then is Gascoigne the father? Initially it didn't occur to me to try the music box, that came later but I was able to put pieces together that way. And then later when you tell her to go to Oedon Chapel but then when you walk back there and run into the pig you find a small sash that belonged to a little girl. You could theorize that it was the little girl you told to go to the Chapel or you can just wait until you meet her sister in her former home who will blatantly tell you that the sash belonged to her now dead sister.
>All of Gascoigne's family is dead or crazy
>>322907691
Gascoigne, or as I call him, Gasoline, had a hard life
>>322892412
30 fps
chromatic aberration
less weapons (no, l1ing weapons does not make it a new weapon)
less areas
less bosses
less equipment
less replayability
less fashion souls
It's less of literally everything compared to Dark Souls
>>322905310
>complains about samey areas
>only in third area
shggy diggy
>>322905310
>>Basic combat consisting of a few attacks and a shitty roll
Did you play DaS? Did you like DaS? If not, you probably won't like BB, even though each weapon has 3x the available combos and 2 extra attack buttons, it's still very basic compared to, say, DMC.
>>Load times
They're better than they were, but still pretty shitty,
>plus the fact that you have to backtrack for your echoes on death, and you're stuck replaying the past 10 minutes every time you die
The game punishes fuck ups and generally being bad. Progress slowly and carefully, be patient and scout areas for possible traps and enemy ambushes.
You're not meant to bomb in willy nilly then bitch when you get rekt for being impatient.
>>That first boss fight on the bridge with the awful camera
It's best to unlock and control the camera manually with Cleric Beast.
>>Every level feels samey, including environment and combat
You'd need to elaborate, Bloodborne while always remaining generally dark and morbid, has lots of varying enviroments. If you mean Central Yharnham feels samey then yes, it's all one city afterall. Forbidden Woods, Yahar'Ghul, Mensis, Mergo's Loft etc are all very distinct. You're only in the very first area of the game.
>>The only cool parts are the bosses
Personally my favourite part of Souls games is the level design, the way the areas weave and connect, and how smart shortcuts are placed and that struggle to unlock a shortcut.
>but more just abnoxious with random attack patterns, some of which where if you fuck up and let them land, they can chain into an instakill before you recover
You're given the most generous dodge in video game history basically, the amount of i-frames you have is insane and dodging takes literally fuck all stamina, so of course the enemies have to be more aggressive to kill you. You can parry those ridiculous flurry attacks very easily, even on most bosses.
>>322908124
He probably did. I mean yeah he was with the Healing Church but he was also a foreigner. And Yharnamites fucking HATE foreigners. Which makes me wonder how he got the Hunter position in the first place.
>>322905310
>>Basic combat consisting of a few attacks and a shitty roll
A shitty roll that completely nullifies damage if timed right.
>>Load times
Video games
>>Combine load times plus the fact that you have to backtrack for your echoes on death, and you're stuck replaying the past 10 minutes every time you die
You are playing the wrong game if you hate dying.
>>Your attacks can hit walls and fail, while enemies can clip through walls and hit you
Your fault for hitting walls. Your attacks can also clip through walls.
>>That first boss fight on the bridge with the awful camera
>>Every level feels samey, including environment and combat
Every major area is completely different.
>>The only cool parts are the bosses, which I wouldn't consider challenging, but more just abnoxious with random attack patterns, some of which where if you fuck up and let them land, they can chain into an instakill before you recover
Bosses kill people, its a thing. git gud.
>>322908125
>less weapons (no, l1ing weapons does not make it a new weapon)
Kek it literally does though because it changes form and has an entirely new moveset.
Bloodborne's combat/gameplay is far better than DaS', every weapons has like triple the amount of possible attack combos thanks to trick mode, and being able to attack into and out of both weapon modes seamlessly mid combo.
In DaS you can't even chain into and out of 2H and 1H mode.
Just finished the game and the DLC last week, definitely one of my games of the year tied withSplatoon.
Honestly the only criticisms I have were a lot of the environments were pretty similar, but it didn't really bother me a lot. Also having to farm Blood vials when stuck on a boss was pretty lame.
I however found out near the end of the game that if you have vials in storage they refill your inventory when you spawn at a lamp. I still think DaS 1's estus system is the best but it's better then farming after every death like I did all the way untilKos.
>>322908781
Then 2handing weapons in Dark Souls would make it a completely new weapon by your logic anon, doesn't matter if you can God of War-tier combo it
>>322908237
That was mainly meant for the combat. So far it's been the same combat mechanics with barely anything in terms of changing it up. There's not much to it aside from timing, and I'm not autistic enough to get an edge-boner every time I land a visceral attack
>>322909245
Honest question, do you just R1 spam? What weapon are you currently using?
What level should I do the DLC?
>>322909390
The cane. And it's either R1, R2, or a gun shot in between. Whip mode for open areas and mobs, cane mode for close encounters and single enemies, generally
>>322909049
Except 2H a weapon in DaS doesn't magically give it an extra 2 attack buttons, you're still confined to R1 + R2, which you can't even combo between without a break.
In BB you can literally go
R1 > R2 > L2 > L1 > L2 > L2 > R1 > R2 without taking a single break, and every single one of those attacks will have a different animation, while also switching between 2 completely different forms of a weapon.
>>322908781
>DaS
>R12
>2H R12
>Kick or Guard Break
>Jump
>2H jump
>Run attacks
>2H Run attack
>Roll attacks
>2H Run attack
>Backstep attack
>2H backstep
>BB
>R12
>Trick R12
>Run attack
>Trick run attack
>Backstep
>Trick backstep
>L1 switch
>L1 Trick switch
>Jump attack
>Trick jump attack
>Trick L2
So it looks like they have equal attacks between each other
>>322909607
Don't believe the memes anon, cane is boring as fuck. Even Saw Spear is more fun becase the transform attack is really strong (R1 in short form tp L1).
Cane is incredibly simple and boring IMO.
>>322892412
It's not bad though.
Sure it's only decent but it's worth a playthrough certainly.
>>322909747
>R1
>R2
>L1
>L2
>backstep R1
>backstep R2
>roll R1
>roll R2
>roll L2
>jump R1
>untricked charge attack
>R1 tricked
>R2 tricked
>L1 tricked
>L2 tricked
>backstep R1 tricked
>backstep R2 tricked
>roll R1 tricked
>roll R2 tricked
>jump R1 tricked
>tricked charge attack
Anon you can't lie on the internet like that.
I can't remember if there's unique backstep L2's though, but every single one of these is chainable into and out of each other, and every single attack has a unique animation.
The moveset per weapon shits all over DaS.
>>322911415
>Not lying on the internet to further your agenda
>>322908995
How the fuck did you not realize that vials were refilled from storage within the first hour? Did you just always use so many that you never had more than 20?
>>322908125
>less weapons
How many weapons have unique movesets in DaS1? It's less than 20 for sure. There are 26 in Bloodborne and strangely enough they actually put effort into making each of them different. Dipshits like you who buy into quantity over quality are the reason why DaS2 was so terrible.
>>322911915
I didn't realize it either.
I guess I never noticed really, and when I did, I assumed it was some weird effect of something that I did.
>>322892412
no for pc
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