Reminder that only the first game had a good plot.
The series entered Castle Oblivion, and never came back.
I swear KH1fags are the worst.
Kingdom Hearts is fucking baffling because like, it's Disney + Final Fantasy. That seems absolutely absurd and could never work, but it does. Partially because the disney characters and final fantasy characters rarely acknowledge each other and Sora is the go between.
But then KH decides that, after doing the impossible and having a crossover, especially one that made no real sense and was nonsense, that wasn't absolutely fucking cringeworthy it was going to put its OWN world building of original content atop everything else. And that basically ruined everything.
I seriously doubt the games would be as well liked today if they kept the Disney villains plotting against you theme forever. The turns the story has taken has made the series much more interesting in my opinion.
>>322578487
Agreed. I'm generally okay with KH's story overall.
>>322577315
Your opinion is shit. KH2 is the best in the series.
>>322578380
It was already filled with original shit in 1 though, and benefits from the world building with Disney as the backdrop.
>>322577315
Reminder that you are literally a Sonic-tier autist if you actually like any Kingdom Hearts game
There aren't a lot of things that make me automatically say "opinion discarded" but KH is one of them.
>>322578696
Anime is on the same tier faggot, you don't get off so easy.
>>322578824
>FF characters
>not anime
KHfags, everybody
KH1 was the shit for me back in the day though. The songs still give me feels.
Also fuck Monstro.
>>322578939
>you
>reading comprehension
Pick one
>>322578696
but the gameplay is actually good, and the have actual personalities and motivations and histories even if they're ludicrous and poorly written.
There's a real actual element of campy story on top of unique and well designed gameplay.
Sonic used to have good gameplay two decades ago, and has never had any real story.
>>322578696
well you are just some fag on the internet with an awful opinion
KH1 was the hypest shit, and one of the "must-plays", if you got a ps2. Even my mother played it
while the newer games are pretty shit, at least that one wasnt you faggot
>>322579015
>unironic shitposting
You like a game with animu in it but tried to use animu as an insult
And the animu isn't even why KH is autistic
AnsemSoD still best villain. Him as the master puppeteer with Maleficent as Disney honcho worked perfectly. CoM was okay, but Marluxia didn't get enough development. I like Xemnas, but they'll never get that KH1 villain posse back.
>>322579269
>unironic shitposting
Which is what you're doing. Piss off faggot.
>>322579269
You're gonna have to try a different approach as this insult doesn't really work in KH threads.
>>322579168
>campy story
KHfags are the same type of people who unironically like Rocky Horror and have degenerate re-enactments of it every weekend
It's only "so bad that it's good" if you're a fucking autist. To anyone with taste it's just bad
>>322579479
eh I'll give it a 3/10 for the chuckle
F I V E X E H A N O R T S
>>322579545
>5
You realize he's trying for 13 total, right?
>>322579479
>degenerate
Piss back off to your containment board /pol/
>>322579545
>5 1/2 Xehanorts
FTFY
>>322577315
>First game
>Plot
Listen to me nigga. KH1 was literally a prototype for the series.
Even KH re:coded has more plot than KH1
>>322579692
>nothing can ever be degenerate, not even if it actually genuinely forrealsies is
>if u say degenerate ur from /pol/
wew lad
>>322579545
13 my nigger
and just in case you think this crazy asian motherfucker wasn't planning it from the start take a look at the orichalcum+ requirements for ultima weapon in KH2 before and after using an energy crystal.
>>322579608
yes
>>322579912
not yet
>>322579728
by that logic wouldn't it be 4 1/2?
>xehanort
>ansem
>xemnas
>young xehanort
>braig
But Braig will be whole Xehanort soon, so I counted him as 5
I don't even really care, when I got that reveal in DDD I burst out laughing. Nomura is a comedic genius.
>>322580298
You're forgetting Saix/Isa.
>>322578487
If they were actually free to write whatever they wish with the Disney characters, that would be swell. You could actually come up with a very interesting plot circulating the many villains that neatly spans along many worlds before the inevitable final battle.
It's more of a case of Disney being assholes and Nomura going OCDONUTSTEAL full throttle.
>>322580419
>Nomura going OCDONUTSTEAL full throttle
The funny thing is that the Disney argument also applies here. The OCs are pretty much Disney characters.
reminder that KH2 is the best action RPG on PS2
reminder that KH:BBS is the best game on PSP that isnt MHFU
reminder that the plot makes perfect sense and youre retarded if you dont understand it
reminder that the story of roxas and axel is actually well written and if it wasnt stuck in a shitty game we would all be sucking nomuras dick
>>322580835
I like the plot as a sum of its parts, but the pacing, dialogue, and cutscenes are all ass. It's the details.
>>322580419
>Nomura going OCDONUTSTEAL full throttle
He didn't have a choice. Disney had too many rules on what Disney characters could and could not do. And one of the things they could not do was influence anything outside of their own world.
>Get a ps2
>Get KH 1 and 2
>Love them
>Buy a ps3 for 3
>Never came
>mfw handhelds were getting 200 different KH games
>>322577315
Is this b8
KH1's story is serviceable. It's wonderful in its earnest simplicity, but as a narrative it's fairly weak. CoM and Re:coded have the best, most well-written stories of the series.
>>322578487
I agree. Maleficent is the weakest part of KH1. She couldn't even get half of her crew to put up with her. Oogie Boogie basically tells her to fuck off.
>>322579785
If you said "patrician" I would think you're from /mu/
In the same way, "degenerate" is /pol/ish
>>322580835
Nomura didn't write the story for Days but the groundwork he laid for their story in KHII was pretty solid I agree
>>322581149
You can get the HD collections and get caught up before 3 releases in 2017
>>322581231
>Re:coded have the best, most well-written stories of the series.
Hey KHfag.
>>322581149
>not buying a handheld
Its like you don't want to actually play KH.
Handhelds are more popular in Japan than consoles so of course the majority of games are going to be on handhelds.
>>322580562
No they're not. They're animu as fuck with their spiky hair and nothing personel attitude.
The thing with the Disney villains is that they are already well known and established characters with nice history to them. They would be great would Disney allow SE to give them more character development, greater ulterior motives, etc.
>>322581126
>And one of the things they could not do was influence anything outside of their own world.
This is one of the great things about KH1. How they were colluding. Come to think of it, Team Rocket in KH2 are only active on KH-specific levels. Pete ofc is allowed in the Steamboat Willie world.
>>322581328
>I can't recognize what makes a story good
Protip: perceived importance to a larger plot doesn't make it good
For example, KHII is very important to the overall plot but it's not a particularly good story.
>>32258134
I never bought a handheld because I never go any where that can justify playing a video game
>>322581473
I didn't say anything about that. I know that KHfag tends to make his posts like that and like Re:coded.
>>322581406
I meant legally. Sora, Riku, Kairi are treated as Disney characters.
>>322580419
Nomura HAS to go OC because Disney outright refuses to have Disney characters acknowledge each other unless they're from the same world.
This is why every Disney world has a world exclusive partner that can never leave.
This is why all of the princesses never interact with each other after the Maleficent boss fight in KH1.
Disney is as picky and controlling with their characters as Marvel.
>>322581416
>How they were colluding
But they weren't.
It looked like they were, but then none of them would show up outside their own world and they would always tell Maleficent to fuck off. So in practice they weren't actually planning shit.
>>322581737
They did all have meetings in Hollow Bastion though you fool.
>>322581737
I suppose that's true. Maleficent may give off that impression sense she acts as something of a liaison between Ansem and the rest of the villains. KH2 had something similar with the Org, but I think Xaldin was the only one that had any obvious influence.
>>322581231
>Re:coded have the best, most well-written stories of the series.
To bad its a complete filler game and outside of the very end nothing in that game's plot matters.
>>322582052
It doesn't matter cause the meetings amounted to nothing. You could remove those meetings completely and the story would be exactly the same.
>>322578380
This.
>>322578046
I'm fucking proud to be KH1fags
>Best music
>only normal plot in the series
>Mah nigger Billy Zane VA for antagonist
>Best secret bosses
I'm still gonna buy KHIII and I loved KH2:FM, but fuck, KH1 was amazing.
>>322582306
>any of KH1 secret bosses
>fun in any way whatsoever
Kurt Zisa is a maybe, but Phantom is absolutely no fun at all whatsoever to fight.
>>322582306
Anon, KH1 doesn't have the best music or best secret boss, BBS has the best music and 2FM has the best secret bosses hands down, it isn't even a question.
>>322582120
That doesn't mean it can't be a great story.
>>322582306
This a thousand times.
The plot twists they come up with every occuring sequel are retarded as fuck. The first game is where the shit is at and Ansem is the perfect villain.
>>322582429
>Kurt Zisa
Whatever happened to that guy anyways? The one who won that contest.
Are there any KH sequels that didn't have vacant, lifeless worlds?
>BBS and DDD
>cutscenes but other than that you may not come across NPCs for hours
Why was the first game the only one not to have fucking empty, abandoned, hollow wastelands?
Sakaguchi told Nomura thatif the story was too simple and clean, it could never be as great as Final fantasy
>>322582306
>Best secret bosses
Worst b8 in this entire thread.
>>322582306
Sephiroth and... ? Also, I was disappoint in Sephiroth in KH2. I wanted to get my shit pushed in. He barely even touched my asshole.
>>322582606
The fact that this actually did happen kills me.
>>322582651
That's because you got older.
KH1 Sephiroth is actually easier than KH2.
>>322582456
>vanilla vs re-release
Come on anon
>>322582618
>Kurt Zisa
>hardest Sephiroth
>Ice Titan
>The Enigmatic Man
Pretty good if you ask me.
>>322582587
KH1 has dead world syndrome too anon. It wasn't exempt from it
>>322582728
Other way around.
>>322582475
Could you elaborate how it's a good story?
I for one, almost completely overlooked the story outside of the reveal at the end.
>>322581120
Perhaps it's a bit like 358/2 days? The individual parts weren't great, but the sum of it's parts made it more than serviceable?
>>322582583
I imagine he finished high school, maybe went to college and now plays lots of video games because he put up his name for a fucking video game boss.
I hope he's anticipating KH3 like the rest of us.
>>322582780
>The Enigmatic Man
I hate the fact that I like him as a character as much as I do.
>>322577315
>Reminder that [...] the first game had a good plot.
Hello, Deviantart.
>>322582306
>Best secret bosses
>not kh2fm secret bosses or hell even kh2s
>>322582730
Who the fuck gives a shit about vanilla, when I refer to the games I definitive versions, which are the final mix versions, 2s secret bosses blow 1s out of the water, it's no question.
>>322582872
Or maybe he doesn't give a shit about vidya anymore. Maybe he's embarrassed by the name and gets picked on every day at school and work.
Maybe he's dead.
>>322582801
Not really. A lot of characters out and about to talk to. There isn't much ambient environmental flair but there are at least fucking characters present.
>>322582989
This one doesn't really work either.
>>322582780
Wasn't there also a ghost like Heartless in Neverland?
>>322582806
Nope. KH1 Sephiroth is so easy you can use him to grind xp.
>>322582780
vs Terra, All of Org XIII Data.
KH2 wins.
>reminder that Star Wars and The Avengers are now Disney property
The fact that Disney even went ahead with it at all was baffling, given Nomura's behavior.
>>322583067
Only in the one or two sections of each world with zero Heartless in them
>>322582989
Are you kidding? The first one is a very simple Disney-like story about friendship and saving a princess.
It's the sequels that are the dA trash.
>>322583096
Nobody even remembers it's name.
>>322582728
>>322583142
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE AGREES WITH ME
>>322583184
So the exact same as KH2. Thanks for agreeing.
>>322583231
It was trash so it's okay.
>>322583181
Yeah they just kind of let him do what he wants for the most part with a couple of exceptions.
>>322583142
Sure, they're fun to play against.But they're still ridiculous and embarrassing OCDONUTSTEEL characters who should burn in hell.
The series got way too up its own ass. The entire appeal of the series was the mix of Final Fantasy and Disney, but from 2 and on all that shit was shoved to the sidelines so Nomura or whoever could show off his amazing ability to make the most uninteresting and unlikable characters with fifty fucking belts and zippers.
>>322582864
It has everything that made CoM a great story
>fleshed-out, relatable characters
>great pacing
>good dialogue
>an even spread of lighthearted tones and emotional/bittersweet moments
Everyone's cool when you say CoM has a good story but suddenly it's super weird when you say Re:coded has an equally good story, even though they're practically on the same level of writing
>>322583401
Your reasoning behind not enjoying them is garbage.
>>322583401
So basically you have no argument.
Awesome. KH2 wins.
>>322583401
>But they're still ridiculous and embarrassing OCDONUTSTEEL characters who should burn in hell.
Sounds like you have complex.
>>322583401
Calm down
>>322583297
This is something I hope is adressed in KH3. Aside from Twilight Town, which had a lot of areas with citizens in it, there wasn't much in including Npc's to help flesh the worlds. Well, Twilight town and Atlantica, but i'd rather heartless then Finny Fun.
Kingdom hearts II >3D>BBS(aqua has such garbage gameplay)>1>Chain of Memories>The rest
>>322583401
They're all typical Square villains just in a matching uniform.
I don't see anything wrong with them because at least they can deliver very fun 1 on 1 fights.
In fact, the "embarrassing OC" characters tend to give the best fights in the entire series. Meanwhile the Disney villain boss fights are probably the most forgettable.
>>322583682
2>Re:Coded>BBS>DDD>COM>1>Days if we're going off of gameplay.
>>322583531
KH1 is still the better game overall. It doesn't matter how many secret bosses you have.
>>322583682
>aqua has such garbage gameplay
confused_black-man.gif
>>322583815
Nah.
>>322583815
KH1 controls like garbage m8, it's not fun to play and is one of the least interesting games in the series. Take your goggles off.
>>322583829
Not him but You can beat the game by spamming firaga i think. Like not even trying. Just fucking spamming the shit out of it
>>322583740
They're not typical at all though.
A typical Disney villain is an old witch that does what old witches do. The Organization consists of spiky haired guys in their twenties, wielding ridiculous anime weaponry and shooting spirit bombs.
>>322577315
The whole series had a retarded nonsense plot of light vs darkness since day one. KH2 FM is objectively the best in the series.
>>322577315
I agree, OP. The other games are fun but the series peaked when it was about a kid's quest to find his friends and fight evil.
>>322583740
I wouldn't say forgettable, but I am a bit vexed that, out of all the characters Disney owns, they choose Julius to be a boss fight. A one time character, become a boss. Seems like a lost opportunity to me.
>>322584091
You need glasses
>>322584091
>The Organization consists of spiky haired guys in their twenties, wielding ridiculous anime weaponry and shooting spirit bombs.
So typical Square villains.
>>322583985
I did something like that. I played Critical with a character and hated it. So I googled and cheesed all the other critical runs with ballin magic.
>>322584209
You have never seen an anime other than a ghibli movie I guess.
>>322584091
>twenties
A good chunk of the group are in their 30s and 40s.
>There will never be a Chrono Trigger cameo in this series
>there will be a Chrono Trigger anything anymore
>>322583815
>KH1 is still the better game overall.
In what way? In every aspect of the game KH2 is better.
>>322584091
>japanese people make japanese characters
Gee whoda thunk it?
>>322584326
Reread the post then come back.
>>322584446
>better story
>less buttonsmashing leading to slightly more tactical gameplay
>worlds don't consist of corridor running but are a lot more interesting in design compared to the sequels
>better MP system
>>322584446
Walking in corridors, raping Triangle for the majority of the combat and a criative water level switched for a musical qte is a improvement?
How?
>>322585759
>raping Triangle for the majority of the combat
You're kidding, right?
>creative water level
Atlantica was shit
>>322585759
creative *
Btw the history is filled with uncreative retcons.
>>322584937
>better story
Maybe, but I didn't care for it.
>less buttonsmashing leading to slightly more tactical gameplay
KH1 was spam Aeoroga and Tinker bell the game, it didn't ask for any tactical decision making outside of having a few ethers on hand, if anything, KH2 had more thought required to the combat, especially with the boss fights.
>>worlds don't consist of corridor running but are a lot more interesting in design compared to the sequels
Yeah, I sure do love having to fight with Sora to get on a tiny ledge, the platforming in KH1 wasn't all that great and didn't become manageable until you got glide.
>>better MP system
I disagree, the MP recharge pretty much forced you to get enemy patterns down and not spam heal and reflect.
>>322585759
Atlantica was a shit level, don't even kid yourself.
>>322586018
>uncreative retcons
Alright I'll bite, since this seems to come up in KH but nobody ever elaborates.
>>322586191
threads*
What's the best world and why is it KH1's Hollow Bastion?
>>322586435
Sorry that would be Fantasia.
>>322586435
It's Castle Oblivion
>>322582429
he kicked my ass over and over, and I loved it
he kicked my ass until i learned how to git gud
thats how games should be. it was fun faggot
>>322585759
>Triangle mashing
I don't understand this one. Have people really relied on reaction commands that much? I've probably used Square more due to Guard.But then again I'm a masochist for doing a No Exp run, where Guard is practically used more then attacking directly
>>322585876
No, even on Hard difficulty raping triangle and abusing Drive/Limit Break granted you immortality.
>Atlantica was shit
I still prefer to play the game rather than watch it.
>>322586662
So you haven't played Critical?
>>322586662
I can't believe you're actually defending the poor controls that Atlantica has, that's pathetic.
>>322586752
We're talking about vanilla shit though and even if you take FM into consideration, Kh1 is still better.
>>322584937
>better story
Not really. The story is uninspired and boring.
>less buttonsmashing leading to slightly more tactical gameplay
KH1 actually had MORE button mashing due to less options.
>worlds don't consist of corridor running but are a lot more interesting in design
Oh you're trolling. Cause KH1 is all hallways too.
>better MP system
You mean broken MP system? You're never in danger cause taking damage will give you enough MP to heal. Its the most broken MP system in the history of video games.
>>322586932
>even if you take FM into consideration, Kh1 is still better.
Take off the nostalgia goggles. That's objectively wrong.
>>322586932
If you ignore what everyone has said in this entire thread, closed your eyes, and plugged your ears then yeah, from a certain point of view KH1 is better.
>>322586932
Extra tedious bullshit for Ultima Weapon says no.
>>322586662
>raping triangle
The mark of someone that has never played the game.
>>322586662
>raping triangle
Reaction Commands don't show up often enough for this to be realistic
>abusing Drive/Limit Break
Can't happen because they use limited resources.
Have you played KHII, anon?
>>322587038
>Cause KH1 is all hallways too
But that's objectively wrong. Kh1 was all about platforming.
>>322587080
Taste is completely subjective you fool.
>>322587282
>Kh1 was all about platforming
And? Its still hallways. You have one direction to go, you go down that direction till cutscene, go another direction till cutscene etc until boss.
That's KH1.
Only girls like KH
OP, posts tits or get out
>>322586752
Yup i wasted time and downloaded the FM to try the Critical Mode... And i wonder how the fuck the KH2 fans can say the game was "fixed" how the hell taking more damage can make something more difficult if you can still avoid damage/fast deaths like in the vanilla?
>>322587439
Anon, you have to be 18 or older to post here. Go to bed.
Its fucking Mickey Mouse with edgy anime characters, none of them had a good plot the series is inherently retarded
>>322587209
Some of these limits are fucking ridiculous. They can stay disabled. Limit form is also pretty powerful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vlPO8OKXAI
Also, does he "where's the fun" or "let's have fun".
>>322587615
"Where's the fun in this"
>>322587615
It's "Where's the fun in this?"
>>322587432
Don't try to defend the 0 reward for exploration that KH2 had.
With how much time you spend with Hercules and Cloud if you're getting all of the prizes in Re:Coded they might as well have been the party members of the whole game.They would have been a more badass party then just having Goofy and Donald at least.
>>322587806
You mean the complete removal of platforming that made KH1 shit?
Yeah I'll defend that to the death.
>>322587573
You also deal more damage, 1.25x but it's noticeable enough that a Level 1 Critical Sora can do more damage than a Level 60 Normal Sora given the right circumstances. While HP/MP bonuses are lower and you get 3/4ths the normal experience, you get 3 AP instead of 2 per level as well as a bunch of abilities to start with.
It's basically dueling the game and actually forcing yourself to learn boss and enemy patterns to win rather than cheesing your way through a game that's easy otherwise.
The bonus bosses of KH2FM+ wreck your shit no matter what difficulty if they can get a good hit in, so it doesn't matter what the difficulty is anyway at that point. Arguably Critical is easier to play than Proud.
>>322587806
And lol there wasn't even enough places to explore anyway.
>>322587038
Not him but KH1 does have a better story than KH2. Sora had a much better character arc and played the part as the MC much better than KH2 Sora. I'm not going to bring up anything like plot armor because Sora has had that from the beginning. But in KH1 Sora throughout the course of the game realizes that there are things much bigger and much more important than his home and his friends from home which really comes together when Sora willingly fights Riku to try and knock some sense into him. "My friends are my power" really meant something back then since Sora had been to different worlds and met different people, receiving a more broad view of the situation he was in which made him realize; Riku and Destiny Island aren't the priority, defeating the darkness was and Riku just so happened to be on that side.
>>322587615
Really? That one wind tunnel attack that gave me so much fucking trouble as a kid can just be easily reflected? Was I too stupid to try this, or are you not suposed to have reflect at this point?
KH1:
>Disney villains actually matter; they're using the DARKNESS
>really good facial animation
>lots of awesome attacks like Ragnarok and Sonic Blade
>sense of foreboding that builds up
>final level is a real OH SHIT moment
>Gummi ships aren't great
>camera is a little weird
>Wonderland isn't very good
KH2
>Original the Organization: Do Not Steal is behind the DARKNESS
>camera is better
>more magic
>Gummi ships are now awesome
>Nomura's zipper fetish goes crazy
>Disney villains are just kinda there
>Atlantica musical world
>>322587945
Plataforming on KH1 were never a problem and it is BS saying that they were the only thing that was removed.
The majority of the worlds had places to explore while everything on KH2 is on a corridor.
Just take a look at Hollow Bastion, and End of the World and even Traverse Town and you will see the huge difference.
>>322588562
Yeah exactly. KH2 is better. Thanks for summing it up.
>>322588515
I think because he's invincible and his combo is dangerous we get the false impression his attacks are also unblockable. You might even be able to reflect part of his combo, but the rest would catch you.
>>322588562
>really good facial animation
KH2 still has this.
>Original the Organization: Do Not Steal is behind the DARKNESS
Not really.
>>322588657
>Plataforming on KH1 were never a problem
Stopped reading there.
Also
>Plataforming
>were
>>322588515
Reflect basically makes you invulnerable against everything but things that cause instant death like Demyx's water clones on an empty timer. I don't know if it's the intended solution for Xaldin's unavoidable wind attack, but it's the best one.
>>322588562
Subtly biased m8
>>322588670
I think the point of that Anon's post is that both have pros and cons.
I don't really care which is better. I have both on my shelf and would replay them any day.
>>322588562
they should just remove all disney, except for donald, mickey, and goofy. It would probably flow a lot better if they weren't trying to constantly shoe horn in pete and jafar and mrs pots and pumba
No the plot completely fell apart the moment they introduced time travel
>Xenanort gains time travel
>goes back in time and gives time travel powers to himself
>his past self goes to the future
>now he's assembling a chrono squad of himself
Just awful
>>322588515
>>322588750
You can also just outrun it, or dodge through it.
I don't think guarding works
>>322588863
I've yet to see anyone who actually likes 3D's time travel plot and think that it was good. I'm a huge KH fan and even I hate it.
>>322588863
They establish rules for it, though, and in the end the 'chrono squad' as you put it would've gone back to their times with no memory of the incident whatsoever. The reason they were there was twofold; to capture Sora (or Riku, whichever worked) for conversion into one of the Xehanorts, and attempt to be there for the arrival and revival of the real Xehanort.
>>322588863
What's awful about it, though?
>Young Xehanort doesn't seem to hold the same values as his older self
>doesn't even have his Keyblade yet, which apparently has a will
inb4 Xehanort betrays himself
>get to see all the 'Norts again (Ansem, Xemnas, Xigbar et al) for the finale
>>322577315
I think a lot of people are confused in what you're saying here.
KH1 does have the best story in the series because it's a very simple Disney tier story line about good vs evil. However in terms of everything else, the Kingdom Hearts series has evolved and improved upon KH1.
I'll always say that KH2 added some of the most unnecessary complexity to a story in any video game series probably ever, but KH2 is an improvement on KH1 is a lot of other ways.
>HAHAHA SORA IS SO SHITTY HE IS THE WORST KEYBLADE WIELDER, EVERYONE ELSE IS SO MUCH STRONGER!
Fuck this shit, who else has accomplished as much as sora, and cuts fucking buildings in half
>>322588743
>Just take a look at Hollow Bastion, and End of the World and even Traverse Town and you will see the huge difference.
>>322589136
I thought Sora was pretty much keyblade jesus according to everyone.
>>322588993
I like it
I liked it more after I familiarized myself with how the time travel functioned
>>322589014
>or Riku, whichever worked
Nah, Young Xehanort outright states that Riku was no good to them because he was immune to darkness.
Will playing 1.5, 2.5 and 2.8 give me all the info I need to play 3? I want to jump into the series, but it has so many titles it's confusing as fuck.
>>322577315
DESU the only reason I stopped with the KH saga after 2 was the retarded names the games get. They're so retarded they actually intimidate me.
Hows the most recent called? kingdom hearts 2.13.67 prologue final chapter start mix 1.6?
I wish I was kidding but I'm not.
>>322589151
You mean places that were also corridors?
>>322589264
That and DDD. No idea how 2.8 is going to fit in.
>>322589264
Yep. Those are collections of the games in the series.
>>322589256
Eww nigga.
>>322589264
yea senpai. 2.8 includes DDD.
>>322589246
Nah, plenty of organization people shit on sora saying roxas was better, riku was supposed to get the keyblade originally, sora was kind of the last resort for xehanort's body steal after riku and others fell through, there's probably more.
>>322589338
They were, but they were pretty and well-made corridors.
>>322589256
Oh hey, you're still here.
I just saw the secret episode ending from BBS FM+, and for some reason it implies Sora and Ventus both disappearing. Do you think that was an abandoned thematic element from the cancelled BBS Volume Two, that it was hinting at Xehanort trying to take over Sora in 3D, or that it may be something to come for KH3?
The games are fantastic and the story is amazing.
Square enix are a bunch of fucking retards with the way they sold the games.
PS2, DS, PSP, GBC, PS3. Half of those fucker games are filler content for a sequel that will never fucking come out.
>>322589350
3D is in 2.8 anon.
>>322589387
That was before the last 2 games. Everyone is pretty much looking to him to save the day.
>>322589436
My PsP was a BBS and Dissidia machine, and I don't care.
The last video game character you played as has become a Nobody and joined Organization XIII. What is his or her new Org XIII name?
>>322589264
Yeah, essentially. There's also Unchained χ, which is free, but that may not be strictly necessary if you happen to not have a smartphone or a computer that can handle Android emulation.
>>322589350
2.8 includes DDDHD
>>322589410
I think that a lot of the BbSv2 scene is just tentative symbolism, not unlike Another Side, Another Story with all the quotes flying around.
0.2 is actually a fragment of the story that would have been Volume Two, so we may gain more insight from that.
>>322582989
it was KH2 that made deviantart so autistic for it
>>322589538
Can we not do this? I thought we left this shit behind in 2004?
>>322577315
>plot
it was just explore Disney worlds until Castle Oblivion
>>322589615
>2004 was 12 years ago
Fuck I'm old.
>>322589593
Nigga people already answered.
>>322589538
Well I'm playing Metroid Prime 3 right now.
What's Samus' Org name?
>>322589685
Unless you were born in or before 1980 you're not old.
>>322589272
>>322589593
This is exactly what I fucking mean
Why couldnt they just give normal names to their games instead of this decimal bullshit 1.5 final mix thats totally not final because theres also the 1.8 2.9 fuckatonremixmaximus
Anyone else mad as fuck that keyblades got given away like candy?
And even ignoring that, even madder that axel and kairi got one?
>>322588562
>>Disney villains actually matter; they're using the DARKNESS
they really didn't, its just since Orgy 13 took lead in being the main villains the Disney villains only seemed more secondary when really not actually changed
>>322589841
No. I don't get mad over video games. I'm not an autist.
>>322589735
>What's Samus' Org name?
Xussam
>>322589615
Anon, it's [current year] and we've got nostalgia for the 00s, everything old is new again.
>>322589824
There isn't a 2.9.
>>322589841
No because in the game/lore they're still pretty rare. Hundreds/thousands of years before the main storyline, that's when they were given out like candy.
>>322589272
Do you want an actual answer?
>>322589916
It's not just a video game at this point, it's an emotional investment. Stop acting like you don't mind this deviant art tier bullshit
>>322589867
Reminder that Pete and Maleficent are basically Team Rocket in KHII.
>>322589824
Nomura explains quite clearly the logic behind the naming scheme. It was lol.
>>322589841
Wouldn't be surprised if the weapons in Org 13 were originally keyblades that couldn't transform back due to user preference.
>>322577315
Friendly reminder that this franchise is the worst mistake in video game history, even worse than E.T. on Atari 2600.
>>322590012
They're still a valid threat, they're just nothing compared to Organization XIII. Pete repeatedly gets the opportunity to make things worse for everyone, rather than trying to just directly fight Sora and fail.
>>322589841
Lea's looks retarded and I was hoping he got Bond of Flame.
>>322589841
It was a little cheesey they got one. I guess Axel deserves it, but Kairi is basically a non-character at this point.
>>322589992
>it's an emotional investment
No its really not.
Its a diversion that I play occasionally while doing other things.
If you get that upset over trivial shit you need to get help.
>>322589841
Sora, Riku and Mickey, it makes sense. Ventus, Terra and Aqua, also makes sense, as does Eraqus and Xehanort. I don't mind that so much. Kairi 'conveniently' given Keyblade potential is a bit much though, especially since Aqua was a Keyblade Master and all so you'd think she realizes what she's doing, and Axel/Lea getting a Keyblade was inevitable but really fucking shoehorned to appeal to fan popularity.
At least Kairi's getting training now and the Princesses of Heart are going to be plot important again.
>>322589824
Final Mix is an improved rerelease of the base game. Re: is a remake as you might imagine.
1.5 and 2.5 are ReMIX, sort of like a combination of the two ideas.
The decimals denote place in the series, sort of. So 1.5 is 1 plus the games in-between it and 2. 2.5 is 2 and the games following.
2.8 Final Chapter Prologue is the game after all of 2.5 (DDD), plus the "prologue" to KHIII (final chapter), 0.2BbS (taking place after BbS which Nomura refers to numerically as 0.1) and χ Back Cover (0).
You get used to it.
Okay fags, can we all agree COM has the best Sora?
In all games he is the all goody no evil mc.Fuck that in Com, he goes in a fucking rage rampage the more he loes memories and get new ones, he was on murder spree and literally wanted to kill everyone in that tower.
He BTFO both of his best friends that had been with him through a lot because they had common sense.
I hope we have more of that Sora in 3 , there was a sub plot in 2 where he was struggling with darkness because antiform and in 3d he just gets destroyed by it, goes into darkness coma and his hearth tried to literally kill Riku
>>322590898
>his hearth tried to literally kill Riku
That was the Nightmare possessing Ven's Armor which was protecting his heart.
>>322590898
So you like CoM Sora best because he became edgy?
I think you should leave son.
Is there a way to play the definitive versions of KH1 and 2 without getting a PS3? I found English patches for the jap PS2 versions of Final Mixes 1 and 2, but from what I gather the one for 1 has a lot of bugs/glitches. I just don't feel like getting a console for a couple games when I already have a PS4.
Any chance they release a big collector's edition type thing for the PS4 in the months leading up to the KH3 release?
>>322591403
>Any chance they release a big collector's edition type thing for the PS4 in the months leading up to the KH3 release?
Nope.
>>322578380
Forever this.
KH2 is more fun to play. That's not in dispute imho, but the story was enough to make me not bother playing any KH games after it.
>>322591403
KH1? No. I would consider 1.5 the definitive version.
Emulating KHIIFM would be fine though.
>Any chance they release a big collector's edition type thing for the PS4 in the months leading up to the KH3 release?
I wouldn't hold my breath.
>>322578380
This coupled with how long the series has been going
>only three mainline games
spanned over 14 years
Kh1 and 2 hit the sweet spits for a lot of people because it was during their shitty deviant art linkin park phases.
Unfortunately those kids are now anywhere from 25 to 35in most cases.
At least if it was Disney x final fantasy, it would be cringey with semi timeless characters. Instead they minimized the ff headcount in place of doughnut steals with only the most mainline of mainline final fantasy characters making cameos at best.
>>322591984
>only three mainline games
The problem with this thinking is that all of the KH games are mainline games.
>>322591178
No, I like him because he had more than 2 emotions in that game.
>>322591984
>only three mainline games
Anon...there are like 7 mainline games
>>322592494
>>322592152
Not numbered. Don't count.
>bbbbut the story is required to understand that everyone is either ansem or sora.
Not numbered. Don't count.
>then I suppose peace Walker didn't count for metal gear
Nope. Not numbered. Doesn't count.
>>322592494
Anon...every game is a mainline game.
>>322592704
>Not numbered. Doesn't count.
That's so arbitrary it hurts
>>322592704
If you jam those fingers in your ear any harder you'll strike your eardrum. Be careful anon! That shit hurts!
>>322592704
Denial: The Post
>>322592791
>>322592825
>>322592853
Why aren't they numbered then? And why is kh3 such a big deal?
>>322593016
Just because they're not numbered doesn't meant that they're mainline. I believe Nomura has said that the ones with a number just meant that they feature Sora prominently.
>>322593016
Going by interviews, a numbered title is a game where you play as Sora with Donald and Goofy in the party. Basically, following the example set by the original game.
So by Nomura's naming conventions, the non-numbered titles have no business being numbered.
KHIII is a big deal because it's the end of the saga.
There is a ton of hype surrounding KHIII because ever since KHII, people have assumed that a KHIII would someday exist (or worse, was a guarantee that was purposefully being delayed akin to FFvsXIII), despite it not even being officially announced until 2013.
Somehow this mentality permeated the entire community and this spinoff stigma that so many have with the non-numbered games was born.
>>322593138
Basically that, numbered kh have sora in a more important role. Thats why in 3d riku had like 5 final bosses fight and sora just 1
>>322578380
Nope, you are absolutely wrong about everything.
>>322588257
One thing I really like about KH1's plot is how Ansem prides himself on his knowledge and wisdom, believing that he's found the secret to ultimate truth through darkness. He repeatedly tells Sora that he knows nothing, that he can't understand anything, etc., but Sora, simple bumpkin kid from some buttfuck nowhere island, manages to realize a deeper truth than Ansem did by just following his heart, and Ansem winds up getting destroyed as a result of his ignorance and pride. It's the kind of classic, thematic storytelling that the later games completely lack.
>>322594035
>Ansem prides himself on his knowledge and wisdom, believing that he's found the secret to ultimate truth through darkness. He repeatedly tells Sora that he knows nothing, that he can't understand anything, etc., but Sora, simple bumpkin kid from some buttfuck nowhere island, manages to realize a deeper truth than Ansem did by just following his heart, and Ansem winds up getting destroyed as a result of his ignorance and pride.
The actual Ansem says something similar in KH2 and subsquent games.
>>322589538Roxas
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