As can literature
As can music
As can plays
Yet games are prohibited. In the current era, have many games attempted to include taboo subjects in them? Why not?
Generally when those things depict uncomfortable circumstances (these days, at least), it's done in some sort of serious, critical manner.
Videogames nearly always use taboo subjects for humor or just window dressing. Hardly comparable.
>>322540851
Video games are still new compared to books, movies and plays. Give it 30 more years.
>>322541031
>nearly always use
Do you have numbers to back this up? This isn't a Humanities class.
>>322541257
This is fucking /v/, not your college course.
>>322541257
No, it's not any class, it's /v/.
How about you show me some examples of videogames using taboo subjects in any sort of serious manner?
>>322541031
And it makes me cry when video games don't treat taboo subjects with the serious gravity they deserve. Don't offend anyone. Please donate to my Patreon. God bless. Also I am a faggot.
>>322540851
Because video games are toys for children, anon. Goodness, why would children want to see adult themes in their toys? Next you'll be wanting to have Barbie dolls with realistic private parts and matchbox cars modeled after drug dealers' cars.
The films that do often do so because they aren't attempting to fit a large audience. High Budget films you don't see talking about rape or crossdressing because they want to get as many people in the door as they can to make that money back. The same mentality goes for AAA games, atleast now. If FF7 Remake included those scenes it would scare off potential customers if their mother's found out, let's be honest. It would also receive an M rating now, which would lower it's audience even more. It may be true that Adults are the biggest group of gamers, but outraged moms make the most noise, so it make sense they're taking out these scenes from the game.
>>322540851
Because the non-internet world still associate video games with children.
You are judging games as an artform from a filmic point of view.
Games are not primarily story telling devices, the craft is the mechanics of the game.
You wouldn't judge a piece of music for awful visuals or a film for weak prose.
>>322541936
They've confirmed the crossdressing shit isn't going anywhere, stop this.
>>322540851
ESRB?
>>322542045
>You wouldn't judge music for something music doesn't have
>Or film for something film doesn't have
>So don't judge videogames for something they do have
>>322542093
no they haven't, they said they were taking some scenes out to appease a modern audience, check your facts
It's hard to take something seriously when it's delivered through a medium with fucking "game" in the title. The mainstream doesn't want to talk about uncomfortable themes in vidya unless it's No Russian or some other media shitstorm bullshit. Notice how no one complained about a male character being raped in Far Cry 3.
Am I the only one who saw Edward Elric?
>>322542249
"As the final question during the interview, however, Tetsuya was asked the important question on many gamers’ minds: Would there still be a segment included in the Final Fantasy VII Remake in which Cloud would crossdress? Tetsuya Nomura’s reply came simply as “Please look forward to it.”"
Hurr.
>>322541984
The economic world associates it with 30 year old men and mobile games with middle aged women.
Source with facts
http://www.theesa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ESA-Essential-Facts-2015.pdf
>>322541936
This is the right answer. Gaming is still very much mainly concerned with money. Less people buy your game = less money.
>>322542334
That's because the rape in Far Cry 3 was treated with pretty much no gravity. How can you expect the audience to take it seriously when the game itself doesn't?
>>322542383
>Toonami shit
Glad this wasn't my entry.
>>322540851
If it's about rape, then Tumblr will throw a shit fit.
>>322542249
>Can't wait to see the delicious sight of Cloud in a dress in glorious HD? "Please look forward to it," said Nomura as the interview came to a close.
Fuck off with your ess jay doubleyou paranoia
>>322541936
What this guy said. The reason you dont see smaller games tackling taboos is because a lot of indie devs are far left wing trying to appease any minority group they can with completely inoffensive homogenised games. If the indie game dev community wasnt as toxic and vile to newcomers who want to make something outside of their comfort zones then we'd see taboos and interesting things tackled, but that simply doesnt happen with the state of the industry today.
>>322542334
>Notice how no one complained about a male character being raped in Far Cry 3.
Its almost as if Humanities majors have an agenda.
>>322542592
Adult Swim you mean.
>>322542247
Music may have visual accompaniment and film may have intertitles
The point is at the end of the day, a great game is the sum of its mechanics, everything else is window dressing.
Because it's the only thing SJWs had the power to infect besides comics.
>>322542485
>Gaming is still very much mainly concerned with money.
And film isn't?
>>322542530
Now put a female character in that position.
It's not that it's treated with no weight, it's that the people that get offended by certain things only get offended if it makes them uncomfortable (sometimes, not even.) Nobody but male rape victims get uncomfortable at the implication of male rape; most people find it hilarious.
>>322542773
Never read cape shit
>>322542729
That's such a narrow minded view of such a broad media, I kinda feel sorry for you.
>>322542926
It really is treated with no weight though. It's barely even acknowledged once it happens, it's just this arbitrary scene out of nowhere with virtually no connection to anything else in the game.
The writers were going for shock value, not seriousness.
Because videogamers will never grow up and stay a child in their head forever, despite their age.
That comes from the fact that they have no experience with real life and can't develop, because there is no one teaching them.
>>322543169
Projecting hard there lad
>>322542995
Your "expanded views" are why good games with mechanics as the most important part of development are rare, and casual picturebooks with plot written by a third grader sells billions because "muh realism, muh story, muh feels"
Game designers of old knew what was important. Remember that.
>>322542729
Says you. The creator gets final say.
If the creator wants to make a game that also wants to make a point, they get to. Not you, you hair dye loving retard.
>>322542334
That was consensual. And hot as fuck.
>>322542846
I never said that mate. Of course there's Hollywood etc, but then you've got arthouse stuff, indie films out the arse, foreign movies from fuckin everywhere, and niche stuff that often deals with topics video games will not go near. I don't think gaming is at that point. It's still new, like the other guy said, compared to literature, books, and movies. Even TV.
>>322542926
Exactly. Far Cry 3 had two male rapes, one by a guy and one by a woman and I didn't even recognise the female on male rape as rape when it first happened because of how society perceives it. For those who haven't played it, you're drugged by some tribal chick and you do some crazy dream world shit and when you wake up you're on an altar and she's riding away on your dick while some other guys watch.
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/O8yXJgA.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>322542926
>most people find it hilarious.
Yeah that's all kinds of fucked up. Even if the scene in the game had been written well it wouldn't have had as much gravity as something on film
>>322543169
Bring some facts to the table, Humanities major. Interactive media eclipsed film long ago.
>>322542334
...when did that happen?
If a film maker can make you miserable, a videogame maker should have that right as well.
>>322543484
>Moral of the Story: Niggers are okay because they are funny.
Sure taught me, film industry. I like how their behavioral conditioning backfired with this film.
>>322543375
>auteurism in video games
I'll respect authorial intent if there is a good game behind all the bullshit.
Guess what? 99% of games where the selling point is the story are shit.
>>322543572
There were two. One of MCs male friends is sold as a sex slave to some Australian guy and MC himself is drugged and raped by some chick.
![91sn32Q[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/m4eq3yO.jpg "91sn32Q[1].jpg")
>>322543358
>>322541395
Not him but
>>322543380
>That was consensual
Not what I'm talking about.
>>322543943
HIS NAME IS BUCK
>>322543486
Undertale is my evidence
>>322543815
Same applies to film. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be attempted.
>>322544180
AND HE LIKES TO FUCK
>>322543486
>Interactive media eclipsed film long ago.
>>322541395
... Well, I mean The Witcher is full of racism. And the way it's contextualised is usually a condemnation of it.
>>322543849
Not a refutation
>>322541395
catherine
>this guy calling everyone a humanities major
I'm sorry the frat guy who majored in business fucked your gf bro
>>322541395
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuD-06uouFo
There was a bit of hubbub about it too.
![fear2projectorigin_036[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/h9YZvUd.jpg "fear2projectorigin_036[1].jpg")
>>322542530
How about something with a little more gravity then? F.E.A.R. 2 ends with male rape
>>322543784
What an obtuse view of the world you have
>>322540851
Taboo subjects.
Well those are relative, especially politically speaking.
I don't think vg's have done much in the way of challenging ideas or the status quo.
Either they stay more or less neutral or reinforce it.
But there's room. I can see a controversial game selling well, especially today.
Interactive entertainment has a lot of potential for being subtle, I'd argue even more than books or music.
I've always thought about making one, but I'm no writer and I think it would come out a bit corny.
>>322544342
I feel like The Witcher is kinda cheating, considering it's just copypasting the themes of the novels. Good point, still.
As long as we have censorship this blatant, they won't grow up.
It will take decades till we get a disturbing rape scene like in Sopranos. I mean, come on, they even censor the language in a game where you kill people constantly. Can't even say fuck anymore, without getting banned.
It's the parents fault for buying their foul spawn, everything they want.
I bet over half of the people playing CoD or GTAV don't even meet the age requirement.
>>322544450
The snuke was like, the definition of window dressing.
>>322542405
>>322542654
>cloud wearing a dress is the only "objectionable" part of ff7
I know you're excited for the remake because you were in diapers when the original came out and can't deal with the graphics, but at least watch a playthrough or something so you know what you're talking about.
>>322544271
Film is inherently a story telling medium. You can break the mold with experemental stuff but at its core film is about visual storytelling.
Games are about gameplay and these haphazard attempts to make "mature interactive content" is embarrassing because if you strip off the coat of paint, the games are bad.
This is a good thread. Thanks.
>>322540851
>Yet games are prohibited.
Except they aren't
Because game are toys. It'll be a long time before we get games with graphic sex scenes.
>>322544916
>graphic sex scenes
That's not what anyone is talking about.
>>322540851
Video games are children's toys
>>322544737
>a film is about visual storytelling
thats a bit too extreme statement there buddy, without SOUND you wouldn't enjoy watching that film of yours.
And sadly, no, less and less movies use visuals to tell a story, they TELL IT TO YOU, Buckley-style.
Games are toys for children, that's why.
>>322544694
You still haven't provided a source on "objectionable" stuff being removed.
>>322544551
I guess if you want to go another route, the same can be said for Warcraft and Elder Scrolls, and generally a lot of fantasy universes.
Racism and outright xenophobia is pretty common as a character trait for villains in fantasy.
Katawa Shoujo tackles the stigma associated with physical disability too, I guess.
In Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons youliterally lose your brother as part of the quest to get medicine for your father.Death and the afterlife in general is a pretty overarching concept in that game.
>>322544898
Critics have a lot more control of the videogame medium, than critics do of the film medium.
Videogames are in a corner because the ones charged with critiquing them are children.
If pic related was an adventure game ala old Sherlock Holmes games, it wouldn't get any press on purpose.
Pic related was about a world subjugated by a religion.
It is childish but kind of mature.
>>322545156
Nope, silent films are great too.
Just because certain filmmakers are inept at their craft doesn't undermine the nature of the craft.
Take video games, Call of Duty 35 is selling millions even though its a casual hallway hide and seek simulator with built in handicaps made to seem like a gritty competitive hardcore shooter with window dressing.
Just because Call of Duty is bad at being a game doesn't mean all games are bad.
Videogames do depict uncomfortable circumstances and taboo topics. Just less often. There's multiple examples in this thread.
The thing is, the nature of videogames needing good gameplay is inherently kinda limiting on what stories you can tell. You need to have an excuse for good gameplay, which narrows down the kind of stories you can tell.
You don't see many action movies tackling serious themes for similar reasons.
>>322545780
This, by focusing on the story you are putting the cart before the horse
>>322541395
Why did only 5 people play Rule of Rose?
>>322545780
Most games aren't action games. Platinum games undersell for a reason.
>>322545581
Fuck, don't remind me of that fedora tipping shit. FFX was great but it sure as hell wasn't be cause of the overarching story.
Don't even get me started on the bonus audio.
>>322545981
Most games would be action movies if they were adapted to film. The vast majority of games focus on some form of action, even if it isn't action GAMEPLAY.
>>322545962
The European Union and Australia dabbling in censorship. Look it up. Politicians deliberately went after that specific game.
>>322540851
Oh boy, another one of these ego-trip threads. No one cares about your change-the-world opinions, kid. You have nothing new to offer to the argument which has been had hundreds of thousands of times by people who are hundreds of thousands of times smarter than you or anyone else on this board.
Why don't you go start an "are games art" thread instead?
>>322540851
rip fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U_GfJE5KrY
The existence of Sharknado and the reality of it getting a sequel does not invalidate the merit of Schindler's List and American History X, or even the movie media as a whole.
The same holds true for Dead or Alive or [insert porn game here] not invalidating the artistic merit of Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons or Journey.
It's just the case that as of right now, a lot of the people writing and living off commentary about video games need their clicks, so they write outrageous things.
>>322545731
Why is it bad, because it is simple? I'm not trying to defend CoD here, but hating on something because it doesn't cater to your special needs is also the wrong way.
>>322546241
>no one cares
>still replied
if you did not care, you would hide the thread, edgefag :^)
But that's wrong? Uh, lots of modern games tackle subjects like misogyny and sexism and transphobia.
>>322540851
Yes many have and they have done it in a serious way. That doesn't mean the people playing the game took it seriously.
>>322546312
A game like Bloodborne, Bayonetta or MGS3 is way more artistic than fucking Journey.
Art is about quality in the medium, not about some pseudo-spiritual 2deep4me pretentious crap.
You're confusing modern art with real art. Look at any art made more than 50 years ago and it's celebrated for it's intricacy, it's interesting use of the medium, it's depiction of the subject. Look at any art today and it's celebrated for it's ambiguity and whatever made up crap you come up with to justify it.
>>322540851
Gives some examples of "taboo" subjects.
I'll say in general, the modern vidya industry combines some of the worst aspects of the modern film and comic industries. Many games are deliberately attempting to emulate the "blockbuster" phenomenon, becoming overbudgeted shitpiles designed for as much mass appeal as possible and forgoing things like innovation and "unsafe" controversy. Like comics (but moreso), vidya has never shaken the "for kids" label. This perception, along with the iron grip of the ESRB cartel and their parallel organizations, creates another barrier between truly controversial subjects and any hope of mainstream appeal, or even simple profitability.
>>322546364
Simplicity can be done extremely well gameplay wise, early games are the prime example of this.
CoD fails at being competitive, fair or interesting in any way. Mechanically it's 70% luck on who finds who first and gets the kill, the death perks just add another layer of shit with their mario kart blue shell esque implications.
>>322546558
>Serious topics are SJW shit.
Back to reddit.
>>322546772
Fucking this
It's the audience's fault. Video game players are incredibly immature and stupid. They like it when they are exploited and defend companies when they shit on them. Sonyggers defend Sony when they had overpriced console, no games and now paid online. Nintendrones defend censorship and buy Amiibos.
How can you expect not to be treated like children when the majority of consumers act like children and are children?
>>322546843
In the modern world? Uh, yes they are!
Maybe in 1930 you had to talk about silly bullshit like """Men's problems", but today we talk abotu the real issues of society.
>>322546147
God bless America and its sushi vassal state.
>>322546772
>Le modern art is bad meme
Op that's a good question but help me add dumb titles to this list
Shin Yakuza Ultimate Climax super suplex hold Zero Z Retribution Justice for All Remix Ultra Despair Girls Chronicles G Returns 2nd Encore Do You Remember Love? Overkill F91 Game of the Year edition & Knuckles Endless Waltz Racing Reborn Vendetta Fight for NY All star Battle X The Origin Ultimate Crisis Mania V King Of The Monsters All-Out-Attack Melee Fortress XRD Prepare To Die Edition Reveangence Dancing all night Tactical Espionage Action you are (not) alone Hyper Dimensional Re:Birth 2 Sisters generation 3D Aniki The 2nd Runner Ultimatum The Third Decode: Flying Fairy
>>322546147
I donno, I bought it for 10 dollars in wisconsin no problemo
>>322546992
Le modern art IS bad.
>janitor got in trouble for accidentally throwing away an exhibit
>one artist was selling literal non-art, empty walls, for millions of dollars
>performance """"art""""
People still produce great art, but it's ignored because """"artists"""" find it boring. They're more interesting in a big blob of period blood on a canvas because of its commentary on the modern state of the misogynist consumer society and the loss of blah blah bullshit bullshit.
I like Journey, it was a fun, if overpriced, game. But it's not as artistic as SoTC, or Paper Mario, or Diablo. Art should be judged as an expression of creativity and understanding of a medium. It should be celebrated for what it actually does, rather than what it's trying to say.
>>322540851
Why is Cloud such a sissy?
>>322546772
>A game like Bloodborne, Bayonetta or MGS3 is way more artistic than fucking Journey.
This I did not deny.
I'm sure you could make the case that American History X and Schindler's List aren't all that artistic as movies either.
Journey's an example that came to mind because it's an experiment in non-lingual interactive storytelling.
>Look at any art today and it's celebrated for it's ambiguity and whatever made up crap you come up with to justify it.
In all fairness, while art snobbery is a thing, you also have a lot of artists doing things like photo-realistic drawings or architects planning amazingly efficient cities.
You don't get exposed to a lot of it unless you go searching for it, though. Because much like CoD for games or Transformers for movies, the products with mass appeal needn't be the ones that took the most creativity and hard work to make.
>>322547314
There's still plenty of artists who just make pretty shit for the sake of pretty shit. There's also artists who focus on creative use of different mediums for expressing ideas.
They don't invalidate each other. They also cross over a lot. You sound like the kind of person who doesn't actually give a shit about art in the first place.
![MGSV-The-Phantom-Pain-Ash-Face[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0ENWe87.jpg "MGSV-The-Phantom-Pain-Ash-Face[1].jpg")
>>322543375
>If the creator wants to make a game that also wants to make a point, they get to.
Unless the publisher doesn't let them, which isn't exactly rare.
>>322540851
Bioshock 1 and to a lesser extent 2 played with some taboo subjects
Infinite was full pleb though
>>322546785
>fair
everything else in your post i can somehow accept, but the concept of "fairness" or sportsmanship doesn't exist in competition.
And i wouldn't consider it luck when it depends on your reaction, aiming before every corner, aiming for heads first, knowing the map and spawn points/ camping spots etc....
CoD still requires skill to a certain degree and you shouldn't undermine it that extremely, just because it is popular. Especially with Black Ops 3 they show that they can actually improve.
Death Perks are indeed retarded, but i can't remember seeing any in the newest CoD? Correct me if i am wrong, i play those only at friends places.
>>322546992
It's a meme because the traditional arts racket is the largest money laundering scheme in the world.
What happens when your talent is driven to non-traditional arts or the highly lucrative world of advertising? You splice and fund communities of people who can write enough words so that random splatter is a win against the communists and also worth $10 million dollars that is relatively fungible for being worth $10 mil.
Don Corneo is silly as shit though
>Local whoremonger is ran out of town after he blabs about Shinra's plan to blow up Sector 7 (why would a local pimp be privy to this information anyway?)
>Runs off to FF7 Japan to kidnap tourists to fuck
>...by strapping them onto a goddamned mountain on a rotating restraint so he can fuck them upside down on the face of Wutai's ancestors
>>322540851
Yeah no. Have you seen the shit storm over rape in GoT? Have you seen the backlash over Lolita? Have you seen people shitting on Hip-Hop for misogyny or that song Blurred Lines?
It happens in every medium.
>>322547706
Basic fps skills are not impressive in the slightest
>>322546772
I agree w/ your points about good games, but you can't hate on modern art just because it doesn't fit your model of 'muh pwetty pictures'
![MCA_Colln412_662.jpg.850x439_q85[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GBplHkl.jpg "MCA_Colln412_662.jpg.850x439_q85[1].jpg")
>>322548045
This is your modern art.
Wondering what all those yellow things are? They're piles of turds carved out of soap. Someone took soap, carved it into the shape of dozens of turds, then stuck them in some cardboard boxes and it's a major piece in the Sydney Contemporary Art Museum.
>>322548269
Are you trying to make a point? Do you think this is shit art? Cool, that's fine. There's plenty of shit traditional art too. A lot of it makes it into museums still.
>>322546962
hello mindless
>>322548269
But what does it mean
![MCA_Colln412_671.jpg.850x439_q85[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/904dK5v.jpg "MCA_Colln412_671.jpg.850x439_q85[1].jpg")
>>322548407
That's right, defend the soap turds. They're art, right? Anything is art as long as you say it is. Doesn't matter what it is or how much skill it took to produce. A pile of scrunched up paper is art, period blood on a canvas is art, a man lying under a platform wanking and mumbling is art.
Here's a closeup of this evocative, masterful work of art.
>>322548604
You sound upset, anon. Anything can be art, however it takes skill and labour to make a piece of craftsmanship.
>>322548269
What's your point? You decide at what point art isn't art anymore?
What's your definition of art anyway
>>322548604
Yeah, it is art. It might be shit art, but it's art.
Deciding if something is art or not based on quality is fucking ridiculous.
>>322547847
>>322548708
>>322548704
This is the problem with the modern art industry. In fact, with every modern industry.
Nothign has to take effort or skill anymore. Everything is so special and such a good job, everyone is a clever little boy and we're so proud of what they've made.
>>322548604
Cherrypicking an example of an artistic piece that you (probably rightly) think is stupid waste of time hardly invalidates the entirety of art created in the last 50 years.
>>322548804
It's not just quality, it's intent more than anything.
If someone sets out to make something interesting and tries their hardest, even if it turns out shit it was commendable.
If someone sets out to cash in on the modern art wagon they should be burnt at the stake for thinking a painting made in elephant feces was something clever or unique.
>>322540851
just finished life is strange, it depicted some pretty uncomfortable cirumstances
>/v/ discusses art
Not that any of you retards can tell the difference between a Picasso and a Dr. Seuss book, but art is subjective.
>>322548804
>It might be shit art, but it's art.
literal in this case
>>322548269
>>322548604
A bulk of modern art is a sort of Emperor's New Clothes scenario of circlejerking pseudo-intellectuals who substitute bullshit for technical talent. It's pretty disgusting and unsustainable, like animation.
>>322548846
Something having artistic merit doesn't make it good craftsmanship.
I mean for fuck's sake, some old norseman's drunkenly scraped runes from 1000+ years ago are still on display in the Hagia Sophia, and it's so badly chiselled they can't even tell what it says.
You're right that a certain amount of modern and post-modern art doesn't require a lot of craftsmanship and practice, but there's also a lot that does.
>>322547551
For all we know MGSV might have turned out the way Kojima wanted.
>>322549001
And how do you know which this is? Can you read minds?
>>322548846
You seem to be confused. The term 'art' itself doesn't necessarily imply any kind of merit. Why people conflate these two things when they don't assume 'music' means 'good music' is kind of confusing to me, but something being art is in itself no great achievement.
>>322549070
This post contributed less than nothing to the discussion. Please refrain from posting in the future.
>>322547551
>2016
>still thinking the big bad Konami is why MGSV was shit
Lol, Kojima fucked up by wanting to copy open world games and basically making it PW+. MGS died with 4
>>322541395
The entirety of the "Nobunaga's Ambition" dealt with some heavy stuff that actually happened in real life. All the way back to the nes days, albeit some of the shit I am about to list is downplayed or played harder depending of which version of the game we are talking about.
- Shugo is despicted without any commentary over it. (Men having sex and trainning little boys)
- Hideyoshi Hashiba rapist behaviours is mentioned without the word, but he pretty much is despicted as a perverted that lays him with all the women he can get. Fluctuates massively between games, but there is always the allusion there.
- Father killing sons just to fit in (Tokugawa's special event)
- Sons killing fathers for petty disputes (the Date storyline)
- Pretty much Oda Nobunaga in general (Fucker was crazy)
In fact the Nobunaga's Ambition series of games more often than not do not comment on all the shit it's throwing at you, the game seems to not care what you or anyone thinks about the historical events, they happen in game because the authors picked and choose a couple historical scenarios and they play them with some author's fiat yes, but mostly bring how stuff happened.
>>322549451
Yes.
I can guarantee that whoever carved those turds didn't do it to see if they could carve that many turds. They did it because they knew some retard with too much spending money would buy a hundred soap turds because it's "deep" and "evocative".
on this subject though, art is subjective while video games are objective, and therefore can not be art
>>322548820
I mean just look at this scene. He had to carry both Yuffie and Elena up there after he roofied them. He had to scale a fucking mountain, to restrain 2 100 something pound women into position. What the hell was he going to do? Fuck them while holding on for dear life?
>>322549761
Wait, you think the only reason people do art is to "see if they could do it"?
What.
>>322549879
ur an objective
>>322549247
Yes, there's plenty of modern art that is interesting, well crafted and creative. For example the big black square that is actually four different colours. That's an interesting experiment in the medium, and there's more to it than meets the eye.
But filling a jar with piss and putting a Jesus doll inside it not even comparable. How much thought did that take? How much effort? How much skill? What were they trying to achieve? It's just bullshit, just stupid, mind numbing bullshit made to fellate the egos of the people who pretend to understand this putrid ass water.
Not any of you guys discussing, but for me, art is anything that is hard to do.
I cant draw, i cant paint, i cant play a instrument, i cant sing, i cant program and neither i can act.
If i do, it will suck, so people who cant a good version of it, are artists, because its hard thing to do, and recieves admiration because of it.
>>322549879
>Games
>Not subjective
I have over 500+ hours in koei musou games and I can vouch to you most people on /v/ hate those games to hell and back.
>>322550020
>it's a /v/ pretends to know what art is thread
*makes popcorn*
>>322549963
I'm saying that intent is just as important as quality.
If you paint something to create a piece of crafted artwork, to experiment, to test yourself or explore the medium, that's good intent.
If you paint something to sell to a collection and be 'appreciated' by pretentious wankers who don't even understand the non-existant meaning of the piece, that's bad intent.
>>322550118
>My tax return is art now
>>322545581
Most people probably didn't realize, as most people literally aren't capable of accurately explaining what the fuck the deal with the main character is. What I'm saying is the game did a shit awful job of explaining itself.
>>322550137
And I'm sure someone out there has watched the Star Wars prequels a billion times more than the original trilogy.
>>322550178
Most modern art is designed to convey a message. Which is a point you seem to be completely ignoring, despite it being a completely valid artistic intent.
>>322550150
So you're saying art has no definition? That it's not even really a word anymore?
That sounds about right. Anything can be called art these days. A turd in a bun can be called art.
>>322550020
>It's just bullshit, just stupid, mind numbing bullshit made to fellate the egos of the people who pretend to understand this putrid ass water.
Honestly if you change a few words around this argument works for most kinds of snobbery. Art is not unique in this.
I don't get why you're so upset by it, though.
>>322547314
>original paper mario
>artistic
Are you sure you meant to type r there, and not u?
>>322550280
>Most modern art is designed to convey a message
No it fucking isn't and you know it. There's no message in any of this shit, and even the ones that do have a message have such a flimsy fucking excuse of a meaning. People make modern art to be fellated by the community and make millions by selling to a retarded collector.
>>322548846
You want a Picasso quote? How it took him a handful of years to draw like Michelangelo, but a lifetime to draw like a child?
Literally, you just don't get it.
>>322550179
Really, is it really that hard? Did you spent years training on how to do it?
You must have some sort of retardation anon.
>>322540851
I think the only thing I have not encountered in a game is child rape.
So what taboo subjects are we talking about?
>>322550506
But if I hang it in an art gallery and get a bunch of people to discuss the intricate message of my tax return then it's art?
>>322550592
>Child rape
Danganronpa another episode, and maybe Danganronpa 2.
Victims of child rape, a chick on the second was abused, but the age is unkown, from DGAE, i literal child angry about being raped is a bos.
Since anything can be art, look at this.
>>322550656
No, go make something hard, like a painting or a song, and make it good.
>>322550890
I mean like raping a child in game
Plents of "abused at yound age" stories in games
>>322540851
Tifa being trapped in Corneos torture room is my fetish
>>322551130
Rapelay, the got banned to all hell.
But you can rape a kid on the game.
>>322550592
Trails in the Sky SC very strongly implies it, Trails in the Sky the 3rd outright shows it.Renne had a hard life.
>>322550445
Then why do art students do it when they all know their art is never going to sell while they're still studying?
>>322551263
I don't get why a game about rape is banned.
It's not real rape. In fact, something like that could prevent real rape by giving rape fetishists an outlet in a game.
This shit is how turn sex bots are going to turn out. They'll get banned because "a robot can't consent" or some bullshit, and people will completely gloss over the good they could do in satiating pedophiles or rapists.
BECAUSE VIDEO GAMES ARE STILL MADE PRIMARILY FOR CHILDREN IN MIND YOU FUCKING RETARD.
PLEASE CONTINUE TO LIE TO YOURSELF AND SAY IT'S NOT THOUGH.
>>322551353
Because it's one big circlejerk. If they can't sell it for money they can sell it for 'cred'. They can get all their fellow modern art students to fellate their egos about how meaningful their placenta on an ice cube is.
>>322551041
How about I write a proof? Or I find the indefinite integral of a complicated function?
>>322541936
so, why did back in 1997 that cloud crossdressing didn't make the game sell 5 fucking copies? barring stupid responses like social media and back then had soccer moms, which were worse than SJW 100x
>>322551552
You seem mad.
>>322541031
>generally
so you mean
not always
huh
>>322545962
gameplay was shit, i gave up and watched a no commentary let's play. amazing story.should've been a movie instead
>>322551552
>>322550445
Wait so do you not think most traditional art was made to get respect and money?
Because that's all most of it was. It's the exact same shit, you tool.
>>322551916
Most of the best artists weren't even acknowledged during their life. Of course an artist needs to eat, but it's a bit different. Wanting to sell a painting to buy bread isn't the same as wanting to sell a painting to make millions and be fellated by your peers.
>>322552145
>Traditional artists: Want respect and money
>Modern artists: Want respect and money
It's the exact same shit. Just a more lucrative industry these days.
>>322552231
You're retarded. You're actually mentally challenged.
>>322549920
He was a depraved pervert, obviously vanilla sex wasn't something that did it for him.
Besides he only hung them up there as a last resort should someone try and stop him, which is exactly what happened.
>>322543572
jesus christ, its literally a main plot point and the entire reason you do ANYTHING at all for the buck guy, an UNAVOIDABLE part of the plot, and an EARLY one.
what the fuck do you think buck ment when he said he likes his meat when they fight back, and kieth was getting a little...boring
![Untold_Stories_of_the_Canadian_Front_pictures_1[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/bI9mhih.png "Untold_Stories_of_the_Canadian_Front_pictures_1[1].png")
>>322551438
DAILY REMINDER THAT CANADA WAS THE FIRST PLACE ON EARTH TO ATTEMPT BANNING SEX ROBOTS, AS WELL AS ATTEMPTING TO LEGALLY CLARIFY ROBOT LOLI`S AS EXTRA HENIOUS
DAILY
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>>322540851
>Yet games are prohibited.
What? Even popular kids games do this shit, in fact games have done this for decades...
Maybe you just don't notice when they do because you already disassociate video games with reality so much.
>>322550179
>>322550656
Pretty much anybody can make a song, book or movie and find an audience.
Only big companies can make a video game and find an audience.
>>322553641
oh god i hate to actually say this
undertale
>>322553641
People like you genuinely make me think /v/ is only 12 year olds and younger
>>322551654
you underestimate how much the fact that every retard has internet access has changed the way information spreads.
>>322545962
I remember when Rule of Rose came out. People said it was a game for pedophiles and that pretty much sealed its fate.
Played it more recently and I loved it. It was like playing a bizarre Silent Hill spinoff and there was no child nudity so I don't know why people claimed it was for pedos.
>>322553637
How the fuck would Slave Leia in Battlefront make even the slightest amount of sense?
Yohjo Simulator was a blatantly shit, unfinished game. It's no loss.
Also all those honourable mentions, pic related
>>322553641
Not true, you just need to be Andrew Hussie's bitchboi.
>>322553802
>childs!?
>AND SEXUALITY!?
>IN THE SAME GAME?!
>BAN THIS SICK DEGENERATE FILTH
>>322553637
People try to find anything suggesting the SJW bogeyman is ruining our games, but most of this is child safe censorship. Equally stupid, but it's not the bogeyman you think it is.
>>322553637
I think you want to blame the japs more than SJWs, like 90% of those games are jap games
>>322554009
Yeah, and maybe we can dig up Nabokov's bones and take him to ass pounding penitentiary when we're done.
>>322554105
>child safe censorship.
what are you talking about?
>>322540851
Grand Theft Auto
>>322554242
who said the one on the right isn't okay...
>>322554242
I'm against censorship as much as the next person but comparing DoA: Extreme Beach Volleyball 2 to Lolita is fucking stupid and you know it.
>>322554475
yeah, it is stupid, because DOA: Extreme Beach Volleyball doesn't contain any sex or nudity.
>>322554349
They did this back in the earlier years of vidya too. Removing the panty costumes and such so that our poor children don't ever see anything sexual.
Stuff like the indian costume in Bravel Default is SJW censorship, but most of the panty censoring is "WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN"
>>322554397
the supreme court
>>322554242
I bought the book because my former litterature teacher at Lund university recommended it in the papers (I live in sweden)
Lolita is supposed to be a masterpiece from what I've heard
>>322540851
Silly rabbit, games are for kids!
>>322554569
No, it's stupid because it doesn't convey any deeper meaning than just giving the player something to gaze at.
I've heard the game sucks though, so I'm not sad about it not coming here.
>warcraft 3
>the RTS for kids
>even that has a part in the story where humans must burn their entire cities, citizens included, to prevent the spread of the plague
OP I very much think you don't play video games.
>>322549737
>Shugo is despicted without any commentary over it. (Men having sex and trainning little boys)
Elaborate on this. Googling "shugo" brings up entirely different stuff and I didn't find anything related when I looked up the series itself either.
>>322555202
Lolita is a masterpiece, it's steeped in allusions, alliteration, double entendres, references to poetry and renaissance art, parodies of modern literature, and it coined words like nymphette. The book is a slight of hand of literary devices and techniques where every passage has a deeper hidden meaning or a high brow joke.
>>322554854
The supreme court said you can't write articles about why you dislike a book for stupid reasons?
>>322555685
what, no, that smut can have literature/artistic significance.
>>322554581
They changed their age too... but honestly, I wouldn't be comfortable with them being underage and dressing like they do in the japanese version. It sure seems silly considering they all have chibi-bodies, it's just polygons and a number - but our cultures are different. Back in Japan they still have age of consent set at 13 (even though most prefectures don't follow that). I don't think that is an example we want to follow...
>>322550020
At the end of the day bad art is still art.
It's bad art.
But it's art nonetheless.
>>322555202
Of course it's considered a masterpiece, it's had six decades for the consensus of academics to agree that it has merit beyond BAN THIS SICK FILTH. If you look back to its original publication date, you will discover it indeed was considered sick filth that was banned.
>>322555329
>it doesn't convey any deeper meaning than just giving the player something to gaze at.
I suppose the same argument could be made of the Mona Lisa.
In all seriousness, the DOAX franchise pushes the boundaries of character modelling. They've regularly set the bar for improving skin textures, body physics, cloth dynamics, and things such as mud effects and wetness effects.
I'm not going to argue that such attention to detail isn't directly related to some sense of perversion, but I'm glad that somebody out there is willing to improve character models so we won't forever be playing games with stiff, blocky characters that look like they're from Half Life 2.
And it's ONLY a game like DOAX that can actually bother to do these things, because in any other game where more attention has to go into story design, level design, or weapon balance you don't have the time or resources to devote so much attention to character modelling.
>>322544332
I guess you've been living under a rock, or you'd know the game industry has made more money than the film industry for the past 8 years.
>>322553637
The DOA3 thing... The games didn't sell well here anyway and they got low scores and fans didn't even like them that much. The representant for the games more likely blamed SJWs instead because the alternative would be admitting that your games doesn't sell that much/aren't good enough to get a shipping outside of Japan.
>>322556482
The "game industry". That includes scams like candy crush.
>>322556693
>The games didn't sell well here anyway
The previous version sold half as many copies in japan as overseas
>>322540851
Games are the current target for major scrutiny, not just from SJWs, but from general media as well. So they take a lot more shit than they ever should for no reason other than they have nothing else to legitimately shit on.
>>322556693
>The games didn't sell well here anyway
that is a bold face lie
you are a liar
>>322541984
No, only people on /v/ believe this. It isn't the 80's.
>>322540851
Because vidya is an entertainment medium and not an artistic one.
>>322556719
or grand theft auto 5, which made 1 billion buckeryboos in 24 HOURS.
reminder, the entire legacy of starwars was sold for...4 billion dollars. so its about...a little less then twice as valuable as a single fat man in his basement can do with a shitty java clone
>>322542712
Far right wing people wouldn't tackle issues any better, anon. They'd see it as an afront to God and the bible/supporting terrorists
>>322540851
some games still have the balls to be unapologetic about their subject material.
>>322557017
here ya go mate. the most common results for the phrase, video games are for
>>322557558
Nice open tab choice. Made me smile.
>>322541395
Well, you got blown the fuck out.
>>322541395
>>322540851
Child rape during war time in FFXV.
>>322558793
Kek so tru.
Well, do any board games? How about a hopscotch variant?
>>322553637
This fucking shit again?
FFXV was not fucking censored and Tabata literally said they aren't changing anything about Cidney's design or character during the livestream, and during that stream him and the other XV devs laughed out loud after hearing that Europe thinks she is too sexy
They literally said they aren't changing her and that she is already perfectly fine
>>322560036
Trump's board game and monopoly do
>>322540851
>why can't a medium with end-user agency do the same things that other media can?
Gee, I wonder OP.
Fuck off and stop being an underage shitter.
Games aren't prohibited from doing anything. Go ahead - make a game about some uncomfortable shit. No one will stop you.
What you're really saying, though, is why do giant profit-focused companies prioritize profit over any sort of artistic pretense, and that honestly should be self explanatory.
>>322560260
>>322542334
Brazil sure takes that ball game seriously
>>322540851
>Yet games are prohibited.
They aren't. Many smaller scale games address them regularly. Like films and music, mainstream big budget, pieces stay far away from anything that might negatively affect the money or address it in a completely non-serious/non-threatening manner
>>322559805
>asian mum trying not to look like a womanlet
cute
>>322561174
holy shit shes TINY
>>322556438
You serious? It looks like shit.
>>322561751
Of course he's not. He's comparing softcore porn games to icons of Renaissance art
>>322562894
>>322540851
Pathologic is a game that is pretty uncomfortable to play.
>>322564629
I saw that movie in my local JB HiFi. I didn't think it had a DVD release.
>>322556482
As if that fucking matters. Games haven't anywhere near the influence on the world that film has.
>>322546772
>Calling Contemporary or Post-Modern Art "Modern"
Into the trash.
>>322541031
Anon, SJWs threw a fit over a vampire sucking blood from a woman in that one Castlevania game. Let's face it, neo-liberals are fucking crazy.
